ROKN Corvette sunk after unknown cause

[Stefan]

thanks to the nukes no one has touched N korea and thanks to the nukes no one will touch N Korea, they can bluff and get away with it.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

If N. Korea sunk that corvette, it's the problem of the S. Korean Government, not the damn U.S Secretary of State and the White House.

1954 US-ROK Mutual Defense Treaty...yes, it is the USA's problem.

Also why you've seen South Korea send troops to fight in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Zoologic]

[or unfit leader was in charge. We didn't initiate or start the rebellion...but we adided in it to make sure a fit leader would retake the place of the ex-leader for the general wellfare of all nations. America
plus this aid would help us establish allies and again, it helps foreign policies.

Come on man, I was just joking when I said that America was all-bad, but you can't justify this.

You can't justify this when the party that is friendly to the US is complete arsehole or the other way around.

Mostly they supported dictator regime in the Philippines (Marcos), South Korea (Rhee), Chile (Pinochet), Indonesia, South Vietnam, and to name a few. All corrupt and suppress press freedom, and lastly, defeat their opponents using means that is unacceptable even by American standards. Let me see, Pinochet, or even our previous leader, who kidnapped several political activist and make them "gone" or "silenced forever". Did US backed these regime of terrors or what? Simply just because they are anti-communist? Or did they approve the corruption, collusion, or nepotism that was clearly happening all around us?

Some of them, when it is no longer cold war (or any direct threat from communism), are simply sacked after they find no use of some of these human rights abuser. Some are even charged heavily in international court. Clearly, those US officials stationed in these "friendly countries" repeatedly advised them to be careful, but some local ways might just worked best.

Some find a safe haven in Europe or US, buying homes using their stolen money. When the Europeans are no longer ruled over us, now the US took charge.

However, bludgeoning North Korea is something that I approve. Enough with the brainwashing, children starving, and men being told to do by some delusional god-impersonating lunatic.

[Captain Pyjama Shark]

They do have a good football team, though.

[Kading]

They do have a good football team, though.

Because the consequences of failure are dire indeed. They probably train them all day every day for years, depriving them of a personal life for the good of Dear Leader.

[spartanlegend]

@Spartan, just listing a name of a bunch of countries doesn't show how we "forced" our idealogy on other nations and made them do what we want. As for your Wiki article, yes the CIA has helped rebillion groups to overthrow leaders of nations in which a potentially harmful, or unfit leader was in charge. We didn't initiate or start the rebellion...but we adided in it to make sure a fit leader would retake the place of the ex-leader for the general wellfare of all nations. plus this aid would help us establish allies and again, it helps foreign policies.

Because you asked for a single example when there are dozens of cases where the U.S supported dictatorships or pulverized popular democratic movements because they were deemed a 'threat' to U.S interests, which is a buzz term for 'U.S business interests'.

The United States remains the only country condemned by the world court for international terrorism for its support of the Contras in Nicaragua. If the U.S didn't have the power of veto, it also would have been condemned by the Security Council and the General Assembly of the U.N. 

Don't worry though. All countries behave this way, your just big enough to reach further then most nations. There is nothing wrong with the U.S itself, it's just the reality of how great powers behave. The Europeans are just jealous they can't play the world game anymore. North Korea is China's only friend in the region which is why they are so keen on keeping it alive. The real question is whether North Korea is stupid enough to pick a fight with the U.S Alliance. 

[Zoologic]

China can't be said to be North Korea's friend. They are just their neighbour, and as every Chinese think, we don't want any fuss near our backyard. Thus the Chinese are just playing "nice" with their uncontrollable neighbour. In case the North Korean attacked first, they won't hesitate to withdraw any support. No more "cheats" or "reinforcements" like the 1950s Korean war, as the North Koreans simply don't include the sacrifice of the PRC's human waves in their brainwashing text book.

Because you asked for a single example when there are dozens of cases where the U.S supported dictatorships or pulverized popular democratic movements because they were deemed a 'threat' to U.S interests, which is a buzz term for 'U.S business interests'.

Yeah, and they slipped out some few real bastards they should've taken out long before. Like the loud-mouthed Chavez.

[Captain Pyjama Shark]

They do have a good football team, though.

Because the consequences of failure are dire indeed. They probably train them all day every day for years, depriving them of a personal life for the good of Dear Leader.

Actually an amount of them play for Japanese clubs so no state interference at all for them, and there seems to be little state interference in the others' training.  They're quite an underdog team usually, they have little to train with, obviously, but they do play gallantly.  The only reason they were routed this year is because the government noticed their skill against Brazil and interfered in the team's business, which messed them up.

[Oddball]

The U.S. doesn't just aid countries because they believe with thier political ways and etc.; or else we wouldn't of helped Osama's Mujahadeen push the Russians out of Afghanistan...because we knew what would of happened if they blocked the oil off. That wasn't just for the better interest of the United States, but rather the world.

Believe it or not, we really get involved with foreign countries affairs' as minimal as possible. Or else we would of long been in Africa, South America, etc... However, it really isn't our place to tell them how they should run their governments - as long as it doesn't affect us negatively. Approval or dissaproval of governments would mostly be up to the UN; but I can tell you what they do.... they are ass corrupt as they come.

For all of you that say we don't interfer with 3rd world or borderline 3rd world countries is because they wouldn't help our economical growth, that's actually incorrect. Considering the rich natural resources most of those contries poses without the means of extracting them. They are well capable of becoming a world power. Especially Africa, sitting in the middle of the world, great spot for trade routes and stuff. They would a good ally if they could get their shit together. However it's really none of our business to fight the warlords.

Now don't go telling me we're making "blood money" and crap from the current corrupt leaders of these countries because those are private businesses that don't offer any benefit to the U.S. Economy: besides stimulating it little, which obviously doesn't work well at the moment and would be much stronger and they were developed. Although that would take away the natural bueaty of the country...

If the United States did overthrow those governments and try to set up a sucessfull democratic government, we would recieve the same crap we are recieving about Iraq now. However, if we don't we will recieve: 'Oh! You should help those poor 3rd world countries, just because they don't offer any benefits you arn't! crap.' It's a lose lose situation.

Anyways, we will see what happens tomarrow.

[Zoologic]

The US could have just couldn't care less like Rwanda case. Just make a point, get straight, and stop making reasons. Why overthrow Saddam? Clearly he is less fanatical than other freakazoids around his country. Why not the Ayatollahs in Iran? Because Iranians are happier? Because Iranian Jews can sell alcohol and keep nude pictures? Because Diego Bunnuel can travel there? Because one Ayatollah said "US tourists are welcome, US soldiers are not." ?

IMO, the world seriously need some policing, but not US alone, that could be viewed as US-bias (although not always).

It is hard being a conservative, but some people just need to keep up with the facts, not only CNBC, CNN or Fox News or just both.