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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #30 on: 02-10-2009, 04:10:55 »
The allies a chance against a FW190?

Are you nuts? these Typhoons and Spits are enough for you?... man..


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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #31 on: 02-10-2009, 06:10:25 »
Because the Germans have Wilbrewinds, that Flakvierling on Panzer 4 seems very powerful. But sadly in FH2 the shell acts like ordinary solid projectile and does not explode like FlAK shell as it supposed to. Probably, because the devs toned the German's AA power down in order to spare allied's pilots.

I can imagine if the Vierlings at North African maps have time-fused explosive shells, the Germans wouldn't need their Bf-109s against the allied bombers.

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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #32 on: 02-10-2009, 07:10:46 »
Umm... when did vierlings use time fused shells. Its 20 mm, bofors does use time fuse and not sure about 37 mm flaks.
And the Flak doesn't mean time fused shell, it means flugabwehrkanone.

Just sounds odd that 20mm would use time fuse, especially in africa where even bofors didn't have them.
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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #33 on: 02-10-2009, 08:10:33 »
It was contact.  And the 20mm USED to be powerful as a grenade, like it should be.  But they nerfed it. >:(

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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #34 on: 02-10-2009, 15:10:38 »
The allies a chance against a FW190?

Are you nuts? these Typhoons and Spits are enough for you?... man..
We have one spitfire and 2 typhoons. The FW190 outperforms them. Then we have only 2 bofors to cover our aircraft at our mainbase. Axis has over 6 Flak vierlings, 5 Flak 18's and a Wirbelwind to cover their pilots.

People can say what they want, Operation Totalize is atm, not a very balanced map with aircraft.

Tanks are OK.But still the allies only have 2 more tanks then the germans in  the end. I played totalize 45 times now, maybe, and i think the allies won twice on it. Even with Desert-rat his squad, Corvax his full squad, we couldnt win.
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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #35 on: 02-10-2009, 15:10:27 »
Tanks are OK.But still the allies only have 2 more tanks then the germans in  the end. I played totalize 45 times now, maybe, and i think the allies won twice on it. Even with Desert-rat his squad, Corvax his full squad, we couldnt win.

Hmmm that is personal bad luck then imo. I played Totalize about 23 times and 50-60% of the times I played it the Allies won. The trick is to cut off reinforcements coming across the river and flanking the axis in the north with infantry. Once the Allies hold the flak battery the axis tanks are helpless.
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« Reply #36 on: 02-10-2009, 16:10:41 »
The best tactic is to rush to the flak battery/communication center, and take them.Yet most of the people go to Windmill and factory. In theory this issent bad, but as soon as you captured those maps, 2 Tigers spawn, together with panthers, Stug's. Then the germans have an almost equal amount of armor, and we only have 3 tanks that can effectivly battle them. At that time, crossing the bridge or river is almost impossible.

Op Totalize, is however imbalanced. Always when i'm playing with the allies, i have trouble staying alive, while being german can allow you to get scores of 40-2 KD sometimes.....

At this stage of the war, the allies dominated the Skies.Yet i see the Axis airforce winning 90% of all times. Plus the Germans can easly defend their armor, since they get a Self-proppelled AA gun, yet the Allies cant even fire back at the FW190's.

And the FW190 is already so immense powerfull with only  1 250KG bomb, what is it gonna be when they get their common 500KG bomb?
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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #37 on: 02-10-2009, 16:10:42 »
Axis has over 6 Flak vierlings, 5 Flak 18's and a Wirbelwind to cover their pilots.
Thats in the beginning. Allies usually captured factory and windmill quite fast, so AA on those flags are available for allies then.
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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #38 on: 02-10-2009, 17:10:33 »
It was contact.  And the 20mm USED to be powerful as a grenade, like it should be.  But they nerfed it. >:(

Thus i "imagine" the what it would be like if they had it. The Vierling is already as deadly as it is (without explosive shells), even with the new plane physics, which increase maneuverability. The Bofors seemed to have explosive shells already (at least in El Alamein). The 20 mm flak single barrel could probably have the explosive shell, because the stationary battery is not much more effective than the Sdkfz. 222 (besides its traversing capability).

And the Flak doesn't mean time fused shell, it means flugabwehrkanone.

Correct me if i'm wrong, FlugAbwehrKanone means Anti Air Canon right? Flug(zeug) = Flight/Air assets (Aircraft), Abwehr = Counter, Kanone = Canon? I know that they can load any type of ammunition into Flak weapons.

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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #39 on: 02-10-2009, 19:10:07 »
Axis has over 6 Flak vierlings, 5 Flak 18's and a Wirbelwind to cover their pilots.
Thats in the beginning. Allies usually captured factory and windmill quite fast, so AA on those flags are available for allies then.
This still gives loads of Unbalance towards the germans. The allies really need a Self-propelled AA gun.
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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #40 on: 02-10-2009, 20:10:58 »
It was contact.  And the 20mm USED to be powerful as a grenade, like it should be.  But they nerfed it. >:(

Thus i "imagine" the what it would be like if they had it. The Vierling is already as deadly as it is (without explosive shells), even with the new plane physics, which increase maneuverability. The Bofors seemed to have explosive shells already (at least in El Alamein). The 20 mm flak single barrel could probably have the explosive shell, because the stationary battery is not much more effective than the Sdkfz. 222 (besides its traversing capability).

And the Flak doesn't mean time fused shell, it means flugabwehrkanone.

Correct me if i'm wrong, FlugAbwehrKanone means Anti Air Canon right? Flug(zeug) = Flight/Air assets (Aircraft), Abwehr = Counter, Kanone = Canon? I know that they can load any type of ammunition into Flak weapons.
"Fliegerabwehrkanone" = "Aircraft defence cannon"

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"Flugabwehrkanone" = "Flight defence cannon"

I'm not German but I think that should be at least somewhat close. :p
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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #41 on: 02-10-2009, 22:10:16 »
Correct me if i'm wrong, FlugAbwehrKanone means Anti Air Canon right? Flug(zeug) = Flight/Air assets (Aircraft), Abwehr = Counter, Kanone = Canon? I know that they can load any type of ammunition into Flak weapons.
It still doesn't automatically mean that flak uses time fuse.

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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #42 on: 03-10-2009, 07:10:26 »
I know. I just said "imagine".

The FLaK36 88mm also don't fire Time Fused shells when engaging ground targets. That notion of FlaKs always firing time fused shells maybe influenced by Red Alert game series, especially the RA2 one.

on topic:

Speaking about allied AA, why not the British QF 3.7" or 3" AA gun and US 90 mm AA gun?

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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #43 on: 03-10-2009, 07:10:25 »
They don't ingame, the Flak36 88s have standard HE for that ingame

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Re: M45 Quad mount
« Reply #44 on: 04-10-2009, 19:10:53 »

Op Totalize, is however imbalanced. Always when i'm playing with the allies, i have trouble staying alive, while being german can allow you to get scores of 40-2 KD sometimes.....

And the FW190 is already so immense powerfull with only  1 250KG bomb, what is it gonna be when they get their common 500KG bomb?

You forgot to take into account that the typhoon is much much more powerful against tanks than the bombfocke. Four times the ammo capacity (two rockets in each attack, eight rockets onboard), easier targeting and twice the amount of planes compared to the bombfocke. Also, the rockets are extremely powerful, all german tanks seems to go down on a good hit. The germans usually only win if there are not any good allied pilots.