Forgotten Hope Public Forum
Off-Topic => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Cory the Otter on 29-05-2009, 00:05:26
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_hope
I have taken the liberty of making Forgotten Hope its own Wikipedia page. I hope some of you will edit it so that it looks sharper!
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It's been only up for 11 minutes and is already up for deletion.
Bummer...
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Edit it quickly so it meets their quality standards.
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It looks a bit too much like an advertisement, not an encyclopaedia entry.
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Just give up, those bloody talibans deleted the entries about FH and FH2 time ago, with their absurd arguments against mods. The moron who deleted them was an administrator wich main article in the wikipedia was a wall of text about a creepy country-music band, only known by the mothers and girlfriends of the musicians, but hey, FH had not interest so kaboom
"Non-notable add-on for computer game", can it be more infuriating?
Nazis...
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Don't take liberties with things that aren't yours.
As far as I know, Wikipedia will not allow an FH2 article to stay alive because it has never been in a non-internet publication. At least, I think that was reason last time. There have been a few attempts to get an FH2 Wiki article but all are killed eventually.
Has FH2 won any awards or been in any magazines or anything of the sort? If we can get verifiable citations and make those internal wiki links to every important term in the article, it'll give it better staying power. Check out the Project Reality wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_reality). The FH2 one should look similar to that. Definitely not a copy paste of the "About FH2" tab on the main site.
Again, don't take liberties with something that's not yours. If the Devs wanted a Wikipedia article about FH2, they would make it themselves.
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It was in that one magazine, someone put the scans back on Filefront.
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Just give up, those bloody talibans deleted the entries about FH and FH2 time ago, with their absurd arguments against mods.
There is a quite extensive entry on PR though... So they can stuff their absurd arguments up their A...
Wikipedia na... erm admins, hippocrits
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well, i'm bored with a lot of free time.
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Ionizer, FH1 and FH2 had been featured in printed magazines, internet websites, even TV shows and fared well in the last moddb contests, back then we informed to them about it with zero success.
I agree with you that a wikipedia article needs some thought and work, that's true
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I deleted the "Deletion" tag. Now: EVERYONE SIGN UP FOR WIKIPEDIA!! SEND A ROYAL STORM OF B|OBJECTION AGAINST WIKIPEDIA FOR THIS INJUSTICE ON INCOMPREHENSIBLE SCALES!!
The Decision to keep or delete will be opened...now.
To vote to keep it, Edit the page, and near the end, write in bold 'Keep' and in regular font, say reasons why.
I will be opening verbal discussions with the admin of Wikipedia.
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That's the spirit young lad, once you will grow up to a real fighter.
Btw, your sig is missing a squared bracket.
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Oh God, they will ban us off the internetz
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Forgotten_hope
COMPLAIN HERE!
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Oh God, they will ban us off the internetz
Lobo, they want proof that weve been on TV, magazines, Etc.
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Going about this with some sort of terror campaign just seems to me like it's going to hurt our chance of getting an article... perhaps if we are polite?
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2008, Honorable mention (FH2)
http://www.moddb.com/events/2008-mod-of-the-year-awards/features/players-choice-best-released-mod
2007, 4th in best released mods (FH2)
http://www.moddb.com/events/2007-mod-of-the-year-awards/features/players-choice-winners-showcase/4#readarticle
2006, Honorable Mention in Mod of the Year award (FH1)
http://www.moddb.com/events/2006-mod-of-the-year-awards/features/mods-of-2006-players-choice/2#readarticle
2006, Top Unreleased Mods, 2nd place (FH2)
http://www.moddb.com/events/2006-mod-of-the-year-awards/features/mods-of-2006-players-choice/3#readarticle
Forgotten Hope Reviews and Interviews in the internet, try google
Magazines: try a search in the old forum, I remember people posted scans
TV, was in a german online TV (for FH1), http://www.giga.de/ but I don't think there are archives of that, and I think there was another show in an internet TV about the first release of FH2, but now I don't remember the details, maybe is in the old forum
Anyways they will delete it
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...now they're saying FH is copyright infringement.
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Yes, I told you is a lost cause, they will delete it with any excuse they can make-up, it doesn't matter
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I'M GOING TO FIGHT THIS IF I HAVE TO STAY UP FOR THE NEXT WEEK!
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Lobo, create a thread that gives me permission to use that paragraph.
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...now they're saying FH is copyright infringement.
Thats cause you guys havent been nice to them and played in "their court."
If you dont kiss their asses and tell them what they want to hear precisely, they wont respect your contribution, because it doesn't fit their definition of "legitimate." Then, they have no reason to give the entry much though, and might come to a dumb conclusion like that. As Lobo has said, they're Nazis. Luckily, they're idiotic Nazis who dont have power outside of they're Nazi website, so even if FH was copyright infringement they couldnt do jack shit.
Just leave it for now. Focus instead on getting FH2 into your local papers or a magazine or something.
Maybe one of the devs could host a local event and get it into their local newspaper, which would go a long way to shutting up the Wiki staff. It would also be quite fun, since some of us could buy them the beers they deserve.
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...which proves that PR Developers are ass-kissers. Look at their page. I should delete that for being an unnotable game Add-on.
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...which proves that PR Developers are ass-kissers. Look at their page. I should delete that for being an unnotable game Add-on.
No, they aren't, and that wouldn't be right either.
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...which proves that PR Developers are ass-kissers. Look at their page. I should delete that for being an unnotable game Add-on.
Well to give them credit they have probably been mentioned in this or that publication a few times, since "realism" is more of a buzzword and can be stomached by readers easier than "historically accurate gameplay," and a lot of people consider WWII games "outdated."
I believe that FH2 has been in European publications, but that doesn't help much it seems.
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I don't really see why it matters much. We know they are idiots, the admins at Wiki that is. Since they already rejected FH2, just give up.
FH2 certainly does fine without it ;).
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Get out of hiding form your holes in the sand, people! Who are you, you bunch of wusses? Where are the bloodthirsty bastards I used to know who would bithe the head off of someone who even mildly insulted the mod! Instead of fighting Trolls on the threads, FIGHT WIKIPEDIA! That is, unless you're man enough, you (apparently) Sackless Wusses.
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Naw,
We just follow this:
Pick your battles... the ones that you can win, the ones that are worth it
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OK, this just popped up in my RSS feed, and I have to say, it does make them look less like idiots:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/29/wikipedia_bans_scientology/
Course, they dont seem to be able to differentiate between a self-serving edit from a silly cult, and an informational posting by members of a large gaming community.
Sire's right, this comes up every once in awhile (I think I might have made a thread about starting a wiki entry once myself) and it's always the same old story. We dont need them, they dont need us. The FH website is the first entry when googling forgotten hope, and has more than enough information about the mod. Why bother?
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I am The Warrior. And I see a whole army of my countrymen,
here in defiance of tyranny! You have come to fight as free men. And
free man you are! What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?
Fight and you may be burned. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one cahnce, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our Wikipedia Page, but they will never take our freedom!"
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Just open Word and start from scratch.
Then create the article; The admin saw it was a copy & paste and killed it.
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Lobo, do I have your permission to print the About FH2 on Wikipedia?
Yes, you have but they will ask who the hell am I, and my virtual pixels in the internet?
Just give up, dude, they will delete it
Don't open threads to ask me stuff (the thread was deleted)
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That's it. They deleted the page, So I'm DELETING PROJECT REALITY's!
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Dude, you dont wanna go and create silly animosity between the mods. We co-exist fairly peacefully, so STOP BEING A REACTIONARY TARD.
Take a freaking chill pill.
We DONT need Wikipedia. I personally dont even WANT Wikipedia.
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Ahem, don't dare
Don't act like a child, The Warrior
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Dammit, they reverted the page, the crafty bastards.
Fine. I'll create a page from scratch. anyone have any contributions?
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I actually wouldnt use the About section, because it is not written in a way that is encyclopedia friendly. In some cases it is promotional, in others it is written with quotes an pictures etc.
I recommend writing a summary similar to the one on the ModDB site, using ModDB as a citation, and linking to to the "About FH2" section for "more information"
If we can get that through, then we can start the lengthy process of writing a full description of the mod and the community etc.
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ah see, I have found another TV interview, precisely in the moddb
http://www.moddb.com/mods/forgotten-hope-2/features/noesis-presents-moddbtv-forgotten-hope-2-interview
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You do have to see this from Wikipedia's side though. Their strict policy on edits and deletions does keep a website like that largely factual. I remember kids at my school used to try and make phoney edits, but wikipedia caught them right away. And there was that recent uproar about how some sociology student posted a fake quote by a recently deceased poet on wiki, and it was rapidly quoted by many magazines in their obituaries. Wikipedia, however, quickly corrected it.
Warrior, you don't have a history with Wikipedia do you? I think they may base their decisions or alerts partly off IP address.
A much more subtle tactic we can use is not making our own article right away. Instead, we can include FH in relevant articles (the article on Mods, for instance) until it has a firm basis in Wikipedia. Then we could make a short, factual article, and later beef it up with text and pictures.
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We could also mention how often we are cited in other Wikipedia articles. For instance, forgotten hope is mentioned in the article on List of Battlefield 2 mods, Mod (computer gaming), Pavlov's House, and List of Battlefield 1942 mods, and how since we are mentioned so many times then we should have an explanation page to link to. We could also emphasize how long lived we are, which shows that we are somewhat important and not some small, temporary mod, and how we actually exist on two different games, and list the awards we have.
Of course, these arguments would be made in the talk section. I think it would be best if our arguments for staying in Wikipedia are longer than the article itself.
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Bull shit guys. We Dutchies have a FH page for years on Wikipedia. I edited it myself multiple times and I think it quite needs an update right now.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Hope
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A much more subtle tactic we can use is not making our own article right away. Instead, we can include FH in relevant articles (the article on Mods, for instance) until it has a firm basis in Wikipedia. Then we could make a short, factual article, and later beef it up with text and pictures.
Guerrilla warfare, eh? ;)
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That's it. They deleted the page, So I'm DELETING PROJECT REALITY's!
Dude..
..are you retarded?
..really?
If you create a sandcastle, and judges choose another sandcastle to win the price, do you destroy the winning sandcastle? Because if you can't win, noone can. Don't go about attacking Project Reality just because wikipedia doesn't like FH2, it's somewhat childish behavior and doesn't serve any point at all.
We like that you support FH2 and your ethusiasm, and that you would like to see it in wikipedia for instance, but the way you go about doing it, is.. well you're not making any friends fast with the kind of attitude you're doing it with..
I think you need to relax a bit more, take the blue pill and remember to go to bed early.
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Guysguysguys, we did win! Look at the Dutch wikipedia! Is everyone ignoring me? I'm not mad!!
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There's also this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:StrangerTF/Forgotten_Hope
We should just expand upon this page, even though it's not quite the real deal.
It is also the first result for ""Forgotten hope" "wiki"" on google.
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There's also this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:StrangerTF/Forgotten_Hope
We should just expand upon this page, even though it's not quite the real deal.
It is also the first result for ""Forgotten hope" "wiki"" on google.
Depends on the nation you live in. My first hit is the Dutch wikipedia page.
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There is still finnish Forgotten Hope page in wikipedia. :P
Ohh and FH1 was reviewed among other big mods back in early 2004 in biggest finnish gaming magazine called Pelit. FH was considered most complete and varied of the WW2 mods that were available for BF42. :)
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TV, was in a german online TV (for FH1), http://www.giga.de/ but I don't think there are archives of that, and I think there was another show in an internet TV about the first release of FH2, but now I don't remember the details, maybe is in the old forum
Anyways they will delete it
It was on that show several times, and there actually is proof for that:
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2969606/Forgotten_Hope_Mod_Fuer_Bf2_in_Giga_esports (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2969606/Forgotten_Hope_Mod_Fuer_Bf2_in_Giga_esports)
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TV, was in a german online TV (for FH1), http://www.giga.de/ but I don't think there are archives of that, and I think there was another show in an internet TV about the first release of FH2, but now I don't remember the details, maybe is in the old forum
Anyways they will delete it
It was on that show several times, and there actually is proof for that:
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2969606/Forgotten_Hope_Mod_Fuer_Bf2_in_Giga_esports (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2969606/Forgotten_Hope_Mod_Fuer_Bf2_in_Giga_esports)
Heh, he teamkilled 2 guys with his MG34 and got kicked. Damn "journalists"!
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What brass-hat let them on the front-line?
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Sorry he leaked into the server. Will not happen next time mister CPS.