Tragedy and gun violence

[Slayer]

For a moment I thought I had all the laughs one can have in this topic, and then Pascucci the Whiner shows up.

So the main use of guns is to kill people? What a joke. You obviously missed the olympics.

Hahahaha, of course! I forgot! The main purpose of guns is to be able to participate in the Olympics!
 

/still laughing

[PanzerKnacker]

I almost fell off my chair 

[Oddball]

I almost fell off my chair 

Best part is Mr. Cage is holding a golden 1911. Anyways, I'd just like to intervene here and say your "strategy" of trying to make humor of a post because you have a difficult time with a credible refute is humorous in itself. 

[PanzerKnacker]

Best part is Mr. Cage is holding a golden 1911. Anyways, I'd just like to intervene here and say your "strategy" of trying to make humor of a post because you have a difficult time with a credible refute is humorous in itself. 

That's why it's so funny, God damn it!

Anyways, do I even need to adress the "USA more sociologically diverse than Europe"?

The second speaks for itself, "Guns aren't made to kill people, but to participate in the Olympics!"
Yeah. sure. especially the famous  French Olympics of 1789 or the Chinese Olympics in 1899. Fabulous contests! Fuck yeah, I'm sure that since the Medieval times people craved for diversity in target shooting since bows and crossbows became so boring that they invented something that made a BANG and still hit the bullseye (not in the first hundred or so years but NEVER MIND...), and then someone shot someone else and everybody was like "oh shit, this stuff is deadly! Better not turn it against people!"
Ultimately, if guns were made for shooting contests, they would be nothing more than air rifles, and the "hollow point" bullets would be useless!
Oh wait but they aren't, surprise! Try sweeping the floor or doing something with your rifle/gun that doesn't include shooting something/someone, and isn't done better by something else which is already widely accessible (e.g. Hammering a nail with your gun)

Btw it would be more of a "tactic" than a "strategy", if it actually were one.

[THeTA0123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4flQYdAeo8

i cant be the only one thinking this

[Musti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4flQYdAeo8

i cant be the only one thinking this

No you are not . This "discussion"(more like a massive argument) is absolutely pointless, much like many others on the internet (vege's vs meat-eaters, religion and political "discussions" etc.), 25 pages of pointlessness.

[Oddball]

Best part is Mr. Cage is holding a golden 1911. Anyways, I'd just like to intervene here and say your "strategy" of trying to make humor of a post because you have a difficult time with a credible refute is humorous in itself. 

That's why it's so funny, God damn it!

Anyways, do I even need to adress the "USA more sociologically diverse than Europe"?

The second speaks for itself, "Guns aren't made to kill people, but to participate in the Olympics!"
Yeah. sure. especially the famous  French Olympics of 1789 or the Chinese Olympics in 1899. Fabulous contests! Fuck yeah, I'm sure that since the Medieval times people craved for diversity in target shooting since bows and crossbows became so boring that they invented something that made a BANG and still hit the bullseye (not in the first hundred or so years but NEVER MIND...), and then someone shot someone else and everybody was like "oh shit, this stuff is deadly! Better not turn it against people!"
Ultimately, if guns were made for shooting contests, they would be nothing more than air rifles, and the "hollow point" bullets would be useless!
Oh wait but they aren't, surprise! Try sweeping the floor or doing something with your rifle/gun that doesn't include shooting something/someone, and isn't done better by something else which is already widely accessible (e.g. Hammering a nail with your gun)

Btw it would be more of a "tactic" than a "strategy", if it were actually one.

Actually I would dare to say that the United States IS more culturally diverse than any single European country... some might even argue the entire EU, which could actually be a valid argument. So no, there is no harm in "addressing" that comment; in matter of fact, I'd be interested to hear the reply myself.

Guns are not simply a tool of destruction. They're a defensive tool and item of protection and prevention. Not to mention the best in their class. Try to defend yourself with something commonly available and do it better than a firearm; like a hammer, baseball bat or a knife. A 110 lbs female wielding a baseball bad isn't going to deter a 250 lbs rapist. Besides, is it practical to tote a baseball bat everywhere you go? Even a knife (of legal carry size 3 1/2"'s) isn't going to make a hardcore or even novice criminal break a sweat. However, give that same 110 lbs female a small S&W j-frame .38 special to tuck in her purse, that's going to stop a racist one way or the other. Simply staring down the barrel of a gun is enough to deter most people from a crime. Tucked away in the purse it causes no alarm... people only become paranoid when they know someone is carrying.

Shooting competitions and recreational shooting is fun, even with small rimfire calibers like .22LR and .177 air rifles. However, they prove inefficient in long-range competitions. Those "inhumane hollow points" you're so concerned about actually serve a useful purpose. They're efficient anti-ricochet rounds and don't penetrate more than the intended target.

Also, shooting was introduced into the Olympic Games in 1896, so I'm going to go ahead and venture out and say they were in the 1899 Chinese Olympics .

"Btw it would be more of a "tactic" than a "strategy", if it were actually one."
Toe-may-toe/ ta-mah-toe 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4flQYdAeo8

i cant be the only one thinking this

 

[Chadoi]

The USA more culturally diverse than the whole EU. Had to actually double check that statement. Dear me....

Oddball you seem to live in a lovely world of black and white, good and evil, right and wrong. I'm pleased for you. It brings me back to merry times as a child.

Speaking of children, I'm sure most children are pleased that they can't be hit by ricochets from hollow points. You know, being hit by one directly is all fine and dandy but if one of those ricochets gets you, you're in trouble son. Of course, a US Marine couldn't legally have access to these hollow points during his tour in Afghanistan but I suppose that only helps your 'well regulated' militia when the evil gubment and that muzlim communazi Obama comes to hand your freedom back to the British.

Let the pointlessness continue.

[siben]

Firearms are just a natural result of the weapons (rock, spear, bow,..) that we have been using for thousands of years, weapons intended to go hunt wildlife with for food. So it is in essence a tool to gather meat with. The downside is that one day somebody started using it on fellow humans.

They are not for shooting competitions, just like they are not for shooting people. They are for shooting wildlife.

And of course, also for collecting like almost every object that is on this planet.

[Oddball]

Let the pointlessness continue.

Like this whole spiel?

The USA more culturally diverse than the whole EU. Had to actually double check that statement. Dear me....

Not saying I necessarily believe this, but it could be argued. If you disagree, feel free to explain. 

Oddball you seem to live in a lovely world of black and white, good and evil, right and wrong. I'm pleased for you. It brings me back to merry times as a child.

Funny, I would say the exact opposite. To me the world is rather a very gray area. There are very few 'fields' that are 'black and white'. However, I can safely say gun control is greatly black and white with few gray areas.

Speaking of children, I'm sure most children are pleased that they can't be hit by ricochets from hollow points. You know, being hit by one directly is all fine and dandy but if one of those ricochets gets you, you're in trouble son. Of course, a US Marine couldn't legally have access to these hollow points during his tour in Afghanistan but I suppose that only helps your 'well regulated' militia when the evil gubment and that muzlim communazi Obama comes to hand your freedom back to the British.

Yes, because it really matters with what kind of bullet a child gets hit with? In general, a child is a very fragile being, it does not matter what they are shot with... A FMJ, Hollow Point, JHP, Incendiary, Tracer, .50 BMG, .22 Short, etc., they are most likely going to die. Tragic no matter which way you look at it... Although ricochets are a considerable issue, especially in urban areas (someone needs to teach this to the NYPD). Also why US Marshals aboard aircraft use special fragmenting ammo upon impact so it doesn't penetrate the pressurized cabin or ricochet and harm any other passengers. 

The US Military and other nations Military's who have signed onto the Geneva Convention can not use hollow points because they are prohibited by the Geneva Convention. Although for some reason, special forces still use them. Although, not necessarily a bad thing for the marines considering it is ultimately takes more men out of service if they're attending a wounded comrade instead of ignoring a dead comrade. Which is partially why the .223 FMJ is an effective round.

I'll just ignore your last bit for everyone's sanity, as it's just an ignorant statement with no basis of fact.

[Pascucci the Whiner]

The USA more culturally diverse than the whole EU. Had to actually double check that statement. Dear me....

Oddball you seem to live in a lovely world of black and white, good and evil, right and wrong. I'm pleased for you. It brings me back to merry times as a child.

Speaking of children, I'm sure most children are pleased that they can't be hit by ricochets from hollow points. You know, being hit by one directly is all fine and dandy but if one of those ricochets gets you, you're in trouble son. Of course, a US Marine couldn't legally have access to these hollow points during his tour in Afghanistan but I suppose that only helps your 'well regulated' militia when the evil gubment and that muzlim communazi Obama comes to hand your freedom back to the British.

Let the pointlessness continue.

The reason I post ignorant shit is so I can get even more ignorant shit back . Keep it up guys, I'll keep laughing.

[Tuco]

Oddball i commend your patience lol.  Its a virtue i was never blessed with.

[Yustax]

I find it very ignorant when paranoid people say "My god, guns are only for killing" or "He has a gun, there's a possibility that he kill us all"

Geez, then they call us paranoid.

[Oddball]

Oddball i commend your patience lol.  Its a virtue i was never blessed with.

Thank you, it's a technique I've learned over the years to keep my sanity! Doesn't come easy...and tested often. 

I find it very ignorant when paranoid people say "My god, guns are only for killing" or "He has a gun, there's a possibility that he kill us all"

Geez, then they call us paranoid.

This is what I've said for so long... People always say: "Oh, I feel safe now. I don't need a gun to protect myself." So why do you advocate banning guns then? I thought you already felt safe? If not, why not get one? You are your own first line of defense.

[Zoologic]

Firearms are just a natural result of the weapons (rock, spear, bow,..) that we have been using for thousands of years, weapons intended to go hunt wildlife with for food. So it is in essence a tool to gather meat with. The downside is that one day somebody started using it on fellow humans.

They are not for shooting competitions, just like they are not for shooting people. They are for shooting wildlife.

And of course, also for collecting like almost every object that is on this planet.

Most sensible post here.

You can all pretend to say "guns" for safety. But everybody knows, it is designed to kill, or at least stop an assailant, which in turn, stop them when they are still would-be assailants. Because those bad guys know that they can be seriously hurt by guns, and killed by it. Thus guns can kill people, of course. Why would you deny this? It is the main reason why it existed in first place. If it can't kill or seriously hurt someone, it is useless, and no criminals are going to take you seriously when you point it at them.

We have something which is completely for other purpose but equally dangerous as well: drugs, anti-freeze, cooking gas, poisonous non-flammable paints/coatings. Should they be banned? Well, as long as there are no alternatives, they shouldn't. People sometimes also learn martial arts that is designed to paralyze and stop others too. Why isn't that banned?

But certainly, you cannot argue that guns don't kill people. It is just stupid.

I find it very ignorant when paranoid people say "My god, guns are only for killing" or "He has a gun, there's a possibility that he kill us all"

Geez, then they call us paranoid.

I agree with the whole paranoid thing.