Giving Aberdeen some love

[Thorondor123]

http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=13500.0

[djinn]

Some tips for kasserine.

Tunis Stuka skin, americans - ask Hanley to make them look as rugged as the Afrika corp and pale their uniform a bit, need the lee, stuarts and grant - reskins? Sherman - also reskin? Could do with an american plane. I'd say reskin and tweak handling for p51 and change engine sound to say, the p47.

Add lightning, thunder and rain and make the level lighten depressing

Research map layout and distances to come up with something realistic.

And we have a brand new american map with planes in NA! Fresh blood for NA

[VonMudra]

Some tips for kasserine.

Tunis Stuka skin, americans - ask Hanley to make them look as rugged as the Afrika corp and pale their uniform a bit, need the lee, stuarts and grant - reskins? Sherman - also reskin? Could do with an american plane. I'd say reskin and tweak handling for p51 and change engine sound to say, the p47.

Add lightning, thunder and rain and make the level lighten depressing

Research map layout and distances to come up with something realistic.

And we have a brand new american map with planes in NA! Fresh blood for NA

Americans were green, their uniforms shouldn't look rugged at all.  


As for info for Kassereine, as I continue to note, no Tigers fought the americans in north africa.

[SiCaRiO]

the green should be a diferent green, since in desert eviroment it tends to fade and get dirt from the sand

[djinn]

Didnt mention any :-)

What were there though: panzer 2, 3, 4 with short and long cannon. Perhaps reskinned pz4 with brown patches? Stug? Marder 3? Sdkfz222 hanomag commando? We have variants we could throw in.

Nebelwerfer? Pak38s, flak 18 88mm?

Do we need an AT rifle or can we have zooks?

[VonMudra]

Didnt mention any :-)

What were there though: panzer 2, 3, 4 with short and long cannon. Perhaps reskinned pz4 with brown patches? Stug? Marder 3? Sdkfz222 hanomag commando? We have variants we could throw in.

Nebelwerfer? Pak38s, flak 18 88mm?

Do we need an AT rifle or can we have zooks?

Pak 40 is appropriate, as are some short and mostly long barrel Pz4F2, some later Pz3, and Pz2 was phased out by now.  88mm of course, but this was a defensive battle for the US.  Stugs weren't used in africa (other than two short barrel in the western desert campaign), etc.  US was using zooks by now though, so no need for an AT rifle, though they were the M1 version, and had an even weaker round.

@ Sicario, I meant they were green, as in they were fresh, clean cut troops, who hadn't really seen combat yet at all.

[Lightning]

Stugs weren't used in africa (other than two short barrel in the western desert campaign), etc.

6 StuG III F/8 were also sent to Tunisia in November 1942 (only 4 of which made it there).

[Kelmola]

Could do with an american plane. I'd say reskin and tweak handling for p51 and change engine sound to say, the p47.

And we have a brand new american map with planes in NA! Fresh blood for NA

The only USAAF Mustang to reach MTO before Kasserine was the F-6A recon variant (based on Allison-engined P-51A), A-36 Apaches arrived in April '43, B/C Mustangs arrived only in April '44, D's started arriving only very late in 1944!

P-47's reached USAAF units in MTO only in October 1943.

Historically correct US fighters would be early-model P-38's (F/G/H, externally identical), P-39's, or P-40's. Alas, none of these are in the mod.

Ironically, there is however an aircraft that was in the US service in the MTO at the time and is in the mod: none other than the Spit VB, flown by 31st and 52nd FG So we would just need an American skin for the Spit. A truly forgotten hope as not many outside this forum would know that the Spit ever saw US service.

[THeTA0123]

The P-39's could act as fighter bombers(with 230 KG payload of bombs). The P-40 could be the main fighter. The P-38 could be epic heavy fighter(But then ME110 should also show up)

Problem solved. Now to find some crazy people to model and put these babies ingame and a kasserine map
and new uniforms for amis
and m3 lees
And 37mm M1 AA guns (Yes no bofors, if we wanna be historical accurate, then we need these guns)
Also 37mm AT guns

ooh boy this is some work

[VonMudra]

Stugs weren't used in africa (other than two short barrel in the western desert campaign), etc.

6 StuG III F/8 were also sent to Tunisia in November 1942 (only 4 of which made it there).

Ack, that's right, the F!  I always forget about it.  Still, would need a new model for it....


Also, @ theta, as I keep pointing out, amis wore exactly the same uniform in africa as they did everywhere in the ETO.  And considering they were brand new troops, if anything, it should look CLEANER than what it looks like now.

[Kelmola]

TheTA: so what's wrong with the bomb-laden Spit VB, until we could get those schmexy ladies?

[phillip]

I read in some places that Kasserine was a Grant graveyard, and in others that the shermans were there.  Where shermans there in just limited numbers or what?

[VonMudra]

I read in some places that Kasserine was a Grant graveyard, and in others that the shermans were there.  Where shermans there in just limited numbers or what?

US had both there, donno about their numbers of each though.  I'd imagine that Grant and Lee numbers were pretty equal by that point in the war, plus Stuarts.

[phillip]

http://books.google.com/books?id=X-BEFS4viNkC&lpg=PA28&ots=Ocwbkc0zZX&dq=M4%20Sherman%20in%20Kasserine%20pass&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false

Most of the medium tanks in the 1st Armored Division were the M4 and M4A1 medium tank

So then a Kasserine map could be something like (a guess)

75% M4A1 Sherman, 20% Grant, 5% Stuart


60% Pz IV Ausf. F2,    10% Pz IV Ausf. F    10% Pz III Ausf. N    20% Pz III Ausf. J (late)


The "Aberdeen map" would be really slick changed to Kasserine or one of the battles part of kasserine

[THeTA0123]

I dont think the Germans had that many PZIV ausf F2. Mostly Panzer III ausf J long barreld i think
we need SOS von mudra

edit=He has confirmed

TheTA: so what's wrong with the bomb-laden Spit VB, until we could get those schmexy ladies?

They fail horribly vs Fw190