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Title: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 10-11-2012, 06:11:20
Easy enough. What's your favorite to use? Why?

As a friendly reminder, here are all of the heavy tanks we currently enjoy in FH2:

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PzKpfw VI Ausf. E "Tiger" (early) (Mareth Line, Sidi Bou Zid)
PzKpfw VI Ausf. E "Tiger" (late) (Lebisey, Ramelle-Neuville, Villers Bocage, Operation Totalize)
PzKpfw VI Ausf. B "Tiger II" (Bastogne, Eppeldorf, Operation Goodwood, Meuse River)

M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo (75mm) (Bastogne)
M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo (76mm) (Meuse River)

Matilda Mk II (Battle of Keren, Mount Olympus, Sidi Rezegh, Siege of Tobruk, Bardia)
Valentine Mk II (Sidi Rezegh, Mersa Matruh)
Churchill Mk III (El Alamein, Mareth Line, Operation Supercharge)
Churchill Mk IV (Operation Totalize)
Churchill Mk IV (75mm) (Operation Totalize, Anctoville)

Personally, although I am a great fan of the 75mm Jumbo on Bastogne (I will proudly tell you all now that I not once, but twice, outflanked Unique-mck in his Panther to kill him with it in a single round), I have to say my favorite heavy tank in the mod at the moment is the Valentine. Don't get to use it very often, but something about it I adore. Perhaps it's the sound of useless German rounds banging off the front of my tank all day, or my own laughter echoing inside the hull afterwards.

On the other side of the coin, and perhaps I just suck (this seems likely), I've never felt any more invincible in a Churchill than I would in say, a Cromwell. I seem to get fausted, Panther-sniped and panzerschrek'd just as easily in all three of the variants. Perhaps I'll have more luck with the AVRE.

So what's your favorite heavy tank right now? What ones don't you like? What maps need more or less of them? What new ones do we need to find a way to get into the mod?

(In other words, please please please we need a Crocodile :D).
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-11-2012, 10:11:04
Y U NO MADE PÖLL?

Also matilda and valentine are not really heavy tanks. medium and light infantry tanks respective.



my favorite? well i think everyone knows this answer for me
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Butcher on 10-11-2012, 11:11:33
Like Theta0, my favourite heavy tank is the Tiger II. Although I think it should have better frontal armor (impenetrable) and as a tradeoff less sidearmor (76mm should go through more often - depending on angle).

Valentines and Matildas never ever felt like awesome killing machines with their 2 Pounders.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Khaine on 10-11-2012, 11:11:18
Where is Panther  ???
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Butcher on 10-11-2012, 11:11:43
Where is Panther  ???
By german classification the Panther was a medium tank, although you could argue about that. It´s also shown as a medium tank in FH2 on the minimap marker.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 10-11-2012, 13:11:00
Picky picky. If the FH2 minimap says it's a heavy tank, that's what I put here, and I didn't see how to make a poll.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: McCloskey on 10-11-2012, 16:11:07
Tiger. Always had a weakness for that awesome box of steel that should scare the crap out of Yanks/Tommies.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Tankbuster on 10-11-2012, 18:11:46
Panzer II





(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRz8_QTrvZL45YPTAcH7T63_Z72QuS5ofRpH2bZTvsKNILsIfcG)

Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Wulfburk on 12-11-2012, 03:11:51
The churchill on El Alamein. It is awesome
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: kingtiger1891 on 12-11-2012, 14:11:13
Like Theta0, my favourite heavy tank is the Tiger II.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Erwin on 13-11-2012, 13:11:08
I like KT. Or the way I call it, "Panther's big brother".  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 13-11-2012, 18:11:06
I really wish to like the King Tiger but ever since I got interested in WW2 I've just thought it looks like of goofy. It looks menacing from 3/4 view (front or back) but head on or from the sides I think it just looks silly, so I call if I've got the Firefly I just ask "where is that fat cat?" in chat. I'm not scared of it at all, I just avoid it on the battlefield like avoiding one of your mum's friends if you see her in the grocery store :D.

I'll take a Panther any day of the week.

It can occasionally look awesome though:

http://www.1zoom.net/big2/888/322569-alexfas01.jpg (http://www.1zoom.net/big2/888/322569-alexfas01.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: TASSER on 14-11-2012, 00:11:19
Like Theta0, my favourite heavy tank is the Tiger II.

Haaaaaaaaa :D I lol'd

I like the Jumbo 76 on Eppeldorf. Mobility of the standard sherman, and it's fun to watch Panthers sit there scratching their heads as to why you're not in flames after a couple shots.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Surfbird on 14-11-2012, 01:11:02
I'll take a Panther any day of the week.

Same for me. I don't drive tanks too often, but I feel best in a Panther. Would choose it over all those heavy tanks. I like the Jumbo too though. Thing with Panther is that you can adapt pretty well to every situation. The armor is good enough to make it hard for infantrymen to take you out, your gun usually destroys the majority of Allied tanks and the Panther is not as slow as Tiger and King Tiger. In those very heavy tanks I always feel I have a special job to do with them and the low speed as well as everyone looking for you makes flanking not easier.

So I'd always pick a Panther over Tiger/King Tiger. Also, Panther and Tiger are beautiful tanks, KingTiger is indeed not :P
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hyperanthropos on 14-11-2012, 22:11:50

I like the Jumbo 76 on Eppeldorf. Mobility of the standard sherman, and it's fun to watch Panthers sit there scratching their heads as to why you're not in flames after a couple shots.

Isnt the 76 Jumbo only on Meuse river line?
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: TASSER on 15-11-2012, 01:11:09
Isnt the 76 Jumbo only on Meuse river line?

I believe you are correct. Either way, I enjoy the Jumbo on Eppeldorf, more room to maneuver than on Meuse.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hyperanthropos on 15-11-2012, 12:11:53
I think they also lost the 75 jumbo on Eppeldorf, instead they got the regular 76 Shermans and the M36, but no more Jumbo.

They could get the Jumbo back in my opinion, but in this case they should loose the M36 completly when they lose the south farm. It would make fighting the for the farm more interesting and there would be nomore situations with two M36 around.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: djinn on 15-11-2012, 18:11:05
Can't beat the Tiger I. Its both the legendary-ness of it, and also the maps.

Get a good tiger tanker in that on Ramelle, resist the urge to rape, and especially on Villers and Totalize and you have a real party.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 15-11-2012, 22:11:02
I think they also lost the 75 jumbo on Eppeldorf, instead they got the regular 76 Shermans and the M36, but no more Jumbo.

They could get the Jumbo back in my opinion, but in this case they should loose the M36 completly when they lose the south farm. It would make fighting the for the farm more interesting and there would be nomore situations with two M36 around.

Ideal armor loadout for Eppeldorf for me would be:

4 x Sherman M4A3 (3 @ main, 1 @ East Farm)
1 x Sherman M4A3 76mm (1 @ main)
1 x Sherman M4A3 E2 75mm "Jumbo" (1 @ main)
1 x M36 Jackson (1 @ Church)
1 x M8 Greyhound (1 @ main)

-

3 x Panzer IV (2 @ main, 1 @ South Farm)
2 x Panther (1 @ main,  1 @ East Farm)
1 x Jagdpanzer IV (1 @ main)
1 x King Tiger (1 @ main)
1 x Puma (1 @ main).
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hyperanthropos on 15-11-2012, 23:11:46
Wow that is a armor layout, but far to many tanks in my opinion. I think Eppeldorf is good as an half Infatry half tank map. AN open map with great view distance and this number of tanks would lead to massive He spawnrapingin my opinion.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Korsakov829 on 16-11-2012, 00:11:57
Matilda Mk II, because the axis tanks for the maps it is in can't do crap against its frontal armor.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Comrade Roe on 17-11-2012, 18:11:41
Panzer II





(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRz8_QTrvZL45YPTAcH7T63_Z72QuS5ofRpH2bZTvsKNILsIfcG)
Vickers tank  :P

But since I suck at tanking, this is very hard choice.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 17-11-2012, 18:11:31
To be fair, 64+ play makes monsters out of a lot of underappreciated vehicles. In a normal server on Olympus you might only ever see 4 or 5 enemy infantry you can mow down before you die (sometimes not even that), but with 60 people on the other team it pays to haul a Panzer II or even a Hanomag into a good firing zone.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Kuupperi on 20-11-2012, 13:11:38
It's hard to say which tank is the best (when it's up to the driver & tank) but I have always thought it's the Tiger. The only cons I can find are that it's slow and clumsy at turning. Strong front armor and 88mm main gun make it almost invincible in the good hands.

The only good heavy tanks the Allies have are in Africa. They are slow as hell and mostly have a bad main gun but this is alright in Africa, not in Europe really since the Axis have better tanks than they did in Africa. The American heavy tanks are slightly better.

So any Tiger would be my choice of all the heavy tanks.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hitm4k3r on 20-11-2012, 17:11:54
Wow that is a armor layout, but far to many tanks in my opinion. I think Eppeldorf is good as an half Infatry half tank map. AN open map with great view distance and this number of tanks would lead to massive He spawnrapingin my opinion.

Eppeldorf is a map where you can easily place more tanks, since the infantry fight is concentrated on locations, where clever tank drivers don't drive except soutfarm and Eppeldorf North maybe. HE spamming isn't that much of a problem anymore in FH2 since the the HE explosions got nerfed. Give the Infantry more APC's and more smoke grenades and the open fields aren't that much of a problem anymore.

I like the current tank layout pretty much tbh, and wouldn't change it. But the possibility is still there. And I wouldn't place important tanks like the M36 on outpost flags like Chritie mentioned. The second Panther is also a bit too much. Don't forget that the KT is still a beast and can easily take all those Shermans down.

My favorite Heavy tank is the Tiger I without a doubt. Performance whise the KT is better, but I think it is just too lame to use it.  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: CHRISTIEFRONTDRIVE on 20-11-2012, 17:11:40
Well hey, if I can only change the armor layout of 1 map then screw Eppeldorf, it's Goodwood I'm going for :D.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: katakulli on 20-11-2012, 19:11:24
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?board=76.0
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?board=62.0
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Horstpetersens on 21-11-2012, 09:11:32
sherman ::)
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Gunnerz on 21-11-2012, 10:11:27
King tiger with porsche turret, because it looks cooler than the angular turret, altough it has a shottrap.
Not ingame, but thats a matter of time i guess.
 8)

Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-11-2012, 21:11:45
Churchill and KV are my picks

KV not ingame yet tough

still dreaming of churchill AVRE <3
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Yustax on 24-11-2012, 02:11:37
Tiger I. There's a reason why its in the main logo  :P
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 24-11-2012, 05:11:31
sherman ::)

+1. M4A3 Sherman. Deflects everything. The best heavy tank of world war 2.
Its frontal armour withstood at least 2 shots from all ranges.
Even Tiger tanks had to outflank it at high speed to be able to shoot its vulnerable, weaker armored sides.
Panzerschreck rockets bounced off it like nothing.

Only one person in this whole wide world could one shot a Sherman.
The rest of us needs to "learn to aim".

*Runs away yelling* "All hail Ciupita! All hail mastergunner Ciupitaa..., all hail..."
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: »KeFeng on 24-11-2012, 12:11:06
Willy's Callipoe. It survived an 88 mm Shell from a Jagdpanther within the Range of 5 Meters. Seems legit.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Slayer on 24-11-2012, 15:11:22
sherman ::)

childish stuff
Maybe you guys should finally put a stop to this behaviour, you know. You guys keep coming back in every thread which remotely concerns tanks and start moaning about something which is widely known by now, and recognised too. It doesn't help to post more of this crap. IF it changes anything, it will:
1) annoy many people
2) lower the chance of it being fixed

So, please stop it. Again.

Back ontopic about your fav heavy tank.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: »KeFeng on 24-11-2012, 17:11:28
No Humor allowed here? Yes, Sir!
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hyperanthropos on 24-11-2012, 18:11:08
Please keept the Sherman stuff comming, its fun and needs to be said.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: THeTA0123 on 24-11-2012, 18:11:17
oooh! little panzy wanzy boys cant kill 50 allied tanks in a row anymore! They can only kill 40 tanks in a row!
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Ts4EVER on 24-11-2012, 18:11:25
IIRC the Sherman M4A3s front armor was underrated in 2.4, especially compared to the M4A1. It has the correct armor value in 2.45.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: »KeFeng on 25-11-2012, 01:11:51
(http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2012/09/picard-facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Ts4EVER on 25-11-2012, 02:11:48
(http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2012/09/picard-facepalm.jpg)

So I guess you don't want realistic armor values anymore? The M4A3 front armor was identical to the M4A1 before, even though it was thicker irl. This has been rectified.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 25-11-2012, 04:11:38
I think you guessed wrong. No need to guess. It's a facepalm. It's self-explanatory.

As it is atm, the Sherman in all its forms of 2.45 is a heavy tank. It takes too much punishment.
M4A1 or M4A3 is not the question.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hyperanthropos on 25-11-2012, 11:11:30
Thank you Odium. Cant oneshot it to the side and BACK with the Panzerschreck. I dont think this are good armor values.
Also thinks like you cant one hot it with a Panzerfaust 30 (only 30) to the front still exist.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Butcher on 25-11-2012, 12:11:57
They are referring to the things the Sherman can stand even without the angle mod and range modifier - although it shouldn´t. If we don´t consider bounces and range the Sherman can still:

- Stand a Panzerschreck hit to the
  - front
  - side
  - rear

- Stand a Panzerfaust 30 hit to the
  - front
  - turret
  (- side when tracks or tools are hit)

- Stand a 75mm/L48 to the
  - turret ring (front) (every Sherman)
  - frontal hull (M4A3, 76mm armed M4A1, Sherman V)

This is strange enough, but then add the range modifier and the angle mod and you get even worse results. Sure Panzer IV etc. also profit from the angle mod and range modifier, but they don´t get those other weird bonuses in the first place that combine and make a super tank.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Slayer on 25-11-2012, 14:11:14
Pls go repost all this into the proper threads. This is the wrong place for it.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Ts4EVER on 25-11-2012, 14:11:32

- Stand a 75mm/L48 to the
  - turret ring (front) (every Sherman)
  - frontal hull (M4A3, 76mm armed M4A1, Sherman V)
didnt the M4A3 come about a little after normandy? I know the A3's started replacing other shermans. But wernt the M4 and the A1 still heavily used in Normandy?

All the technical information on the sherman you'll ever need here
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m4sherman.html

M4A3 (75) W started production in Feb. 44, I'm not going to look up when they hit the frontlines, but it was definitely present in Bulge. M4A3 early models were in Normandy, though we do not represent this ingame as we'd rather focus on upcoming stuff, not old stuff.

There's a lot of misinformation on Shermans, armour thickness, and gun penetration. Some clarifications:
M4A1: Cast Hull, gasoline
M4A2: Welded Hull, diesel
M4A3: Welded hull, gasoline
M4A4: Welded elongated hull, multibank gasoline
In addition:
you've got several variations of each of the above, early, mid, late, and so on.
A mid M4A3 75mm has 51mm armour, while a late M4A3 75mm has 64mm armour at front, sloped at 47 degrees.

Our M4A3 is the late variant and thus will have 80mm of frontal armour ingame. As we upscale the armour values accounting for the slope of the armour. Could even argue it should be 90mm.

Also, more clarification on gun penetration:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/guns/75-mm.asp
Notice how those values are 70mm at 30 degrees. The panther has 80mm frontal, however the glacis plate is upscaled to 120mm ingame to account for the slope, which is 55 degrees from vertical. However if the sherman shot downwards at a panther from 55 degrees higher, the impact would be at 0 degrees, and at pointblank range a sherman could penetrate it.

Naturally, we cannot account for everything. Thus the sherman 75mm will in no circumstance be able to penetrate the Panther's frontal ingame.
However, the Sherman M4A3 in Bulge will be able to survive one, but not two, frontal shots from the Panzer IV.
You may discuss this here, bad, good, axis bias, allied bias, however it is unlikely to affect our decision on it.
Also I got a lot of work to do, so may not have time to type up long replies like this one.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Butcher on 25-11-2012, 15:11:33
A M4A1 with the 76mm is still a M4A1.

Whether the Sherman armour on the M4A3 is upscaled or not doesn´t really matter as the 75mm/L48 still penetrated without trouble at 500 metres/ingame tables (96mm I think which is still higher than the even further upscaled value).

You may discuss this here, bad, good, axis bias, allied bias, however it is unlikely to affect our decision on it.
Well, this puts an end to the discussion, but as a player I say: "Meh".
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hitm4k3r on 25-11-2012, 16:11:31
@Ts4ever: And the point is?

Ofcourse the M4A3 has stronger frontal armor. I guess nobody is going to argue this.

But for the KwK 42 L/70 of the Panther it is equal, whether he is facing a M4A1 or a M4A3. He will crush both of those tanks from the front with one shot over 1000 metre with ease. It doesn't make any difference whether you face a M4A3 or a M4A1 ingame btw as I already showed in my vids. It is random how you kill them.

In FH2 all heavy tanks are kinda dumbed so I would always choose a medium tank over a heavy one. A Panther over a Tiger and a Sherman over a Churchill. There are only few exceptions where the heavy tank plays like a heavy tank. Mareth Line and Eppeldorf are the best examples. And yes, in it's current state the Sherman plays like a heavy tank:
I was sitting in a foxhole with my foxy M4A3 yesterday on St. Vith and on the 4-bars-left-and-burning margin after a critical Panther hit and loughing my ass off as tas was trying to kill me at fog range with his Panther and the only sound I heard was this "plong, plong, plong" and a "sigh" from tas in the TS. I retutned fire several times and gave him the rest. Oh, tas was sad as I can tell you.  ;D
I remember the days when it was like this in a Tiger I.

Please take it with humor. Some people had a good laugh with this flanking Tigers story  ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: THeTA0123 on 28-11-2012, 19:11:00
Not to mention the wet ammo rack storage and safer fuel tank allocation, all justify the current Sherman M4A3's ability to withstand a hit from a 75mm KWK40


If you argue against THAT fact, and i mean this fact=
Quote
Naturally, we cannot account for everything. Thus the sherman 75mm will in no circumstance be able to penetrate the Panther's frontal ingame.
However, the Sherman M4A3 in Bulge will be able to survive one, but not two, frontal shots from the Panzer IV.
You may discuss this here, bad, good, axis bias, allied bias, however it is unlikely to affect our decision on it.
Also I got a lot of work to do, so may not have time to type up long replies like this one.

If you argue against this, then you care NO THING WHATSOEVER about balance.


Also, 5hitm4k3r

Currently all tanks have problems

I see you and others bitching about POOR german panzers

But i see NONE of you mentioning the fact that a M36 jackson/slugger needs 2 shots ATLEAST to take out a kingtiger tank from the SIDE

KT side armour= 80mm
90mm M3 penetration= over 140mm at 1000 meters.


So all of you shut up about it, dammit :/
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: Butcher on 28-11-2012, 23:11:57
But i see NONE of you mentioning the fact that a M36 jackson/slugger needs 2 shots ATLEAST to take out a kingtiger tank from the SIDE

KT side armour= 80mm
90mm M3 penetration= over 140mm at 1000 meters.
Same applies to your Churchill. Panther, Tiger and even Panzer IV etc. could penetrate the sides. However those (King Tiger and Churchill) are heavy tanks and not on every map (There are actually only 3 KTs in the game which get penetrated frontally). M4A3s and Sherman Vs are on every european map that has tanks.

90mm M3 penetration= over 140mm at 1000 meters.
126mm @ 500 metres, at 1000 metres it would be 120mm with APCBC - you just added 20mm of penetration.  :(

Not to mention the wet ammo rack storage and safer fuel tank allocation, all justify the current Sherman M4A3's ability to withstand a hit from a 75mm KWK40
That´s your opinion. But fact is the thing got penetrated. And no crew whose tank gets penetrated by a 75mm shell keeps on fighting. Someone is dying for sure in that tank, maybe it didn´t catch fire as often as the previous versions, but the machine was definately out of working order and the crew wasn´t feeling like having a picknick.

If you argue against this, then you care NO THING WHATSOEVER about balance.
If you mean boring mirror balance, well then no. There are other ways to create balance than pimping up a tank known to be fragile to insane levels.

You are talking a bit to much about tanks for somebody who appears on the servers 3 times a year.

Edit: I have yet to see someone here suggesting the Panther or KT to stand shots to the side. In fact nobody of us did that. But the omni-present Shermans on every map, everywhere, that stand 2+ hits become a serious annoyance. Panzer IV and StuG (also medium tanks) are usually down with 1 shot in my experience, if you don´t hit the 80mm plate.
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hitm4k3r on 29-11-2012, 03:11:44


Also, 5hitm4k3r

Currently all tanks have problems

I see you and others bitching about POOR german panzers

...


So all of you shut up about it, dammit :/

Other people and me allready mentioned the poor performance of several guns, no matter whether german or allied asset. I play enough on both sides to know what I am talking about. I even created videos to show some issues.

And we won't shut up. Some of us got hired for beta testing and giving feedback, and that's exactly the thing we will do - pointing out problems. And the current tank system is clearly one of them.  ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Heavy Tank in 2.45
Post by: hyperanthropos on 29-11-2012, 19:11:18
Thank you shitty and butcher for pointing this out atleast someone interested in actually arguing.
The most important point is TheTao isnt playing mutch, his opinion isnt saying verymuch.
on historical facts definitly! But on gameplay issues rather not.