Revolting Uniting

[Butcher]

Hehe, same for me.

Can't believe what nonesense is written here and what saddens me more is that it sounds quite racist.

I love that argument. Any critic = Racism. I told you the Russians I know are nice people. I said the way most of the ones on the internet act, is annoying. It might be sad, but it´s my honest opinion. If you can´t handle that opinion and call it racist, I can´t help you.

What should russian people or people from other country with cyrillic language of our community think when they read that crap?

We would probably never know, because the only thing appearing on screen would be crazy letters.

Cyrillic is not russian. Some people will take it as an insult. Did it ever come to your mind that a big part of the world uses a different language and not English and that English skill is a real problem for "some" people if not a majority of people on this planet?

Cool, from now on I´m going to write German on this forum.

You made bad experiences in WT? What do you expect from a russian biased game from a russian developer with a big russian player base? What does it have to do with post-coldwar-mindset? They just feel at home in the game.

A game on international servers. You meet people from other countries (aka EU servers). Strange that I have almost never ever encountered someone not speaking English, but Russians. It´s like they don´t want to have any contact with foreigners. Imagine we had all the Germans on this forum speak German.

My point is, that there are many more people struggling with the "World Language" than you would expect. Feel lucky if you had the opportunity to learn it in school for many years in a country that has a quite modern educational system or when you have access to the medial and economical world allmost everyday.

Russians learn English in school. English is one of the easiest languages to learn, even if your native language is from another background.

Edit: Oh, you know one of the reasons I registered on this forum? To not lose my English skills after graduation. But seeing how unimportant communication with foreigners is, that was a wasted effort. If I had only known before that I could use my language everywhere.

[THeTA0123]

Any critic= racism
Indeed, the glorious result of our multicultural left winged Europe.

[Zoologic]

Well, the whole left wing idea is based on the introvert side of a human mind. When Ted mentioned that minorities in developing world get excluded from society. My experience living in Sydney come straight through me: An old white man trying to greet old Asian man. The Asian man (generally reclusive and wary of strangers), didn't reply back, instead begin talking back in Mandarin, "Is this guy crazy? Speaking with himself?"

At best, it can be regarded as cultural clash. At worst, it is a good gesture not replied with a good feedback. Not inclusive? Yeah right... when in Rome...

Anyway, back to Russians. Well, they are friendly, if you know how to approach them. Basically, I would consider Russian social group as "family-oriented" one, together with the whole Mediterranean and Latin American culture. They are very closely bonded with their groupies and generally very shy among strangers. Every culture that has a bit of mafia culture (Chinese Triads, Japanese Yakuza, Italian Cosa Nostra, Mexican gangs, Russian mobs, etc etc etc) needs different approach to successfully engage with them.

[Dukat]

I don't have any problems with russian players. They type their chatter, and I don't understand it. Period. That makes two spheres of players, who do not know what the other is doing.
You cannot expect russians to speak english properly, especially with the different set of letters. I don't speak russion either, so what.

[Butcher]

I don't have any problems with russian players. They type their chatter, and I don't understand it. Period. That makes two spheres of players, who do not know what the other is doing.
You cannot expect russians to speak english properly, especially with the different set of letters. I don't speak russion either, so what.

Das ist eine tolle Einstellung, mal sehen wo uns das hinführt. Wenn es euch nichts ausmacht, rede ich nur noch mit den Deutschen Spielern hier. Man will ja unter sich bleiben im Internet. Übrigens haben die Ostdeutschen seit dem Mauerfall die Englische Sprache gelernt.

Edit: Let´s be serious... how am I going to play a team based game with people I can´t communicate with? It´s no fun.

And why would I want to match those two group of people unable to communicate with each other on one server? Sure, to save money... but nonetheless this is annoying.

[hitm4k3r]

Reading some of the comments here makes me wonder whether some of you actually got the point of my post at all or how much you had to do with foreign people outside of your internez life. The problem I see with some of you here is that you generalize things and rely on your typical stereotypes. What you guys wrote over the last page is not "any critic" anymore. Funny that not one Russian person is taking part in the discussion and that you guys fill a whole page how stupid Russian people are.

Let me tell you a little story to explain the problem: I had a russian girl in my grade at school for several years and we were quite good friends. During a lesson people started to talk about how typcial it is for Russian people to behave like assholes in foreign countries during vacation. You can't imagine how rude that was and how pissed she was afterwards. And some of you are doing the exact same thing here, only difference is that you start to tell how typical it is for Russian people to behave like assholes on the internet as if German, English, American, Swedish, Belgian or what ever people were any better.

We have a Russian admin at 762 and from my experience in FlH I just know that some of them struggle with English. But the same goes for all other nationalities aswell. I know many people from different countries (including many German people) who struggle with English, either because they don't like the language, they lack the talent or they use it not very often. But at the end this has nothing to do with where you come from.

I know that Russian people learn english in school. But don't expect the quality of the education to be the same as in your contries. How was it one or two generations ago or even five or ten years ago? There comes alot into play. And don't make the mistake to expect the same passion or talent for learning a foreign language from other people in comparison to you. What is good for you doesn't need to be good for other people. And who says that English is one of the easiest languages to learn? How easy a language is to learn has also something to do with your native language. German is closer to English than Russian. We western europeans will struggle with slavik languages more than we struggle with English.

I don't know, how much you guys understand the problem or whether you will change your mindset a bit and reading your comments I think that some of you don't understand much Russian. But what I know for sure is that I would be pretty pissed as a Russian, if I would read that last page. Good advertisement for this community. I won't stop you, so keep going 

Edit @Butcher: people learned English in the DDR/GDR. When you don't know what you are talking about, then leave it up to people who know better.

[Butcher]

Edit @Butcher: people learned English in the DDR/GDR. When you don't know what you are talking about, then leave it up to people who know better.

I know enough East Germans. It wasn´t mandatory. It was possible and on a very basic level. Thus quite a lot didn´t learn it at all. My neighbor was East German, now in his late thirties (so probably born around 1975) and didn´t learn a single word English. He sometimes asked me to translate stuff for him. So play the morality-police somewhere else.

[hitm4k3r]

Funny that you tell a person from eastern Germany with parents and grandparents who learned english in school that you know enough eastern german people to know it better. Just sounds condescending, especialy the last thing you wrote, that people started to learn Enlgish after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

[Butcher]

Funny that you tell a person from eastern Germany with parents and grandparents who learned english in school that you know enough eastern german people to know it better. Just sounds condescending, especialy the last thing you wrote, that people started to learn Enlgish after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Well English is mandatory nowadays in Eastern Germany. Thus the kids were taught English after the wall came down... I don´t see the problem.

[hitm4k3r]

That's the thing that I tried to explain to you and that you still don't understand also regarding the subject of Russian people. Be careful with generalizing things as you might meet people who are closer to the subject and might take it offensive. What you wrote about the subject of eastern German people learning English sounded pretty rude to me for example and doesn't match with my experience. Not necesarily because I am eastern German, but because I am closer to the subject than you with the background of my family. You make it sound like if Eastern german people lived in a cave what they clearly didn't. My grandfather for example speaks much better English than some of my fellow 762 admins, because he needed it for his job while trading with other countries.

As I said, how good you are at something or what floats your boat has zero to do with your nationality. Circumstances can be totaly different from person to person. I know Russian people who speak English really well and who are very nice people. Good and bad people exist everywhere, no matter where you go.

[Zoologic]

LOL, your Chancellor speaks Russian very well Butcher. There is no need to force communicating with them. Sometimes they are mocked because they use Russian grammar when using English, so they might be afraid. Moreover, they (Russians) really love foreign people who tries to learn their language. I tried to yell commands in Russian as much as possible when playing with them. BF:BC2 commands really taught players a lot of Russian expressions that you can imitate (including swearing).

I think you are just being carried away with that cold war vibes and mild racism. We all sometimes do.

[NTH]

Pvt. Allen is a Polish guy, he was very very friendly. Don't see him on the forums no more though..pity. Ok let's end the Russian discussion, since there will be peace soon as promised by Putin today.

So how about we remove some Middle Eastern map from the map rotation to boycott IS, coz they iz taking over Middle Eastern Arabia. This thread is called revolting Uniting and dammit I feel we should boycott something. Or if that fails at least ban Moose!

[Dukat]

You want something different?


Burn ISIS flag challenge.
You got 24 hours. Go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQJqhcRtts

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I'm not sure where to put this. But I consider it worth posting (and watching):

German tv crew accompanying volunteer batallion "Mirotworetz" and breaking through encirclement out of Ilowaisk (English subtitles)

[Zoologic]

IS flag contains pledge of faith for most Muslims.

Actually, it quite stirred a controversy here, since a symbol as harmless as that Syahadat words has become the symbol of violent, inhuman, terrorist state like IS.

I urge you to be careful of strong reactions, even from moderate Muslims of such actions. Many of my Muslim friends are also offended by IS using that word in their flag.

[Turkish007]

Huh, I cannot do the challenge, I better donate $100 to IS!