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« Reply #60 on: 03-01-2017, 00:01:50 »
I got my problems solved.

And I got a free slot. I just don't know what to buy yet.



1. I cannot buy the Tier 7 Battleship Nagato as the Tier 6 Battleship Fuso has not been fully developed.

2. I don't want to buy the Tier 6 Cruiser Aoba because I expect her to perform badly. It got almost the same specifications as the Furutaka, 3 double turrets, same caliber, just one tier higher where it will face much harder opponents.

3. I could keep the Tier 2 Destoyer Umikaze and go up the destroyer branch, without having to sell Umikaze. But my impression is, that the destroyer branch is totally crowded, meaning there are too many people playing them. Usually half of the ships in a battle are destroyers, and it is much less fun to fight destroyers with a destroyer instead of torping the big whales.

4. I could buy the Tier 5 Carrier Zuiho without having to sell the Tier 4 Carrier Hosho. I really like the Hosho, but I've heard bad things about the carrier branch and the japanese carrier branch in particular. From what I've heard it is kinda unplayable, no fun, unfair, whatever. Plus: I barely see any carriers above tier 4, which seems to confirm this.

Does anyone have suggestions?

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Re: World of Warships - Open Beta
« Reply #61 on: 03-01-2017, 00:01:30 »
Ah, you should have asked for an invite code before you started, then you would have gotten a free Diana and Texas.

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1. -

2. I played Furutaka and Aoba long ago. When I was playing Furutaka, it was still worse than it is now, so my views may not be 100% accurate. But I liked the Aoba a lot more. To me, it was the excellent sweet spott between the Furutaka and the Myoko (I didn't really like the Furutaka and Myoko that much). I had a lot of excellent games in the Aoba and missed her really badly when i got my Myoko. About the matchmaking: Tier 5 has the worst matchmaking of any tier (tier 6 also has pretty bad matchmaking though, but it's less bad). Just keep in mind that in the current BB meta, playing a cruiser at higher tiers will automatically put endless lock-ons on your ship, so if you would go for it, keep your speed up and hug the shadows.

3. Umikaze is OP at its tier, so don't think all jap DDs will be as good. They used to be the best branch up to tier 7, but patch after patch, they have been made worse and worse, and the next captain skills patch seems to make them even worse. At the moment, I can't strongly recommend any DD, but if you'd want to play DDs, then I'd so go for the American ones.

4. Some patches ago, carriers were overpowered as hell, then the nerf hit. At higher tiers, jap carriers are the best, but i personally don't enjoy playing them. I liked playing them when they were OP, just because playing in godmode was kinda fun. But now, i get more frustrated than I get joy out of it. Also keep in mind carrier captains are crucial in a game. When everything goes smooth, no-one notices it, when it goes bad and you didn't fully do your job, or people are getting killed by enemy planes and you're on the composition without fighters, people will report you for playing poorly.

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Play the German BB line. Best ships I've ever played.
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« Reply #62 on: 03-01-2017, 02:01:59 »
^^ Hey thanks!

I started a long time ago. I just don't have time to play. I guess, I had an average of 1 game per day since then.

The german Emden and the US Albany Tier 2 cruisers have been free giveaways, I guess I'll grind them a bit longer.

2. I really have so much fun in the Furutaka, it is my money grinder No. 1. I don't even mind getting thrown into tier 7 battles. It's great if you can achieve a hit with your quad torpedos having 10km range, with a damage of 10k each. You know how wargaming.net is adjusting specs, so playing expirience might have changed over time. But as you say, high tier cruisers are obviously a pain to play.

3. I have no gold, I cannot afford slots, in order to max effects I concentrate on 1 nation: Japan. Having many different nations is very stressful for your barracks, and with the greatful number of 3 free barrack slots even more stressful. I got 3 more captains at level 8 or level 9, waiting to occupy ships from tier 2 upwards. So I won't take the american DD branch. And I guess I wait with the japanese DD branch either.

4. I'm not very interested in high tiers. I haven't been in World of Tanks either. I'm rather interested in fun tiers or fun vehicles. Having a rate of 1 game per day, I will play poorly, sometimes. I don't feel like getting harrassed by top tier kiddies who fell for the idea that it's the greatest shit to go for top tiers. That is the wargaming.net revenue model. If Tier 4 carriers aren't crucial, Tier 5 might be ok then. Maybe I buy that carrier then.

Edit:// Furutaka in battle:

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Re: World of Warships - Open Beta
« Reply #63 on: 03-01-2017, 03:01:28 »
You're welcome :)

Ah... The Emden, lovely ship  8)

3. I don't really understand how other nations take up more port slots. You only need 1. Just research next ship, sell the ship, and buy the new ship in that slot that became empty by selling the previous one.

4. Carriers can still be crucial, but they jump out more when they lack than when they do their job well. There is little more frustrating to me than seeing an AFK carrier on my team, or a carrier that does next to nothing. A good or very bad CV driver can have more impact on the game than any other player in my opinion. Carriers can provide great value for a team, but limited value in a personal sense for the carrier driver. Currently the most important job of a carrier is spotting ships (especially DD's) and killing enemy air strikes, but spotting and planekilling barely pays off for the CV driver. I have given up on carriers, like most players. Only carrier that interests me atm would be the Saipan, but no way i'm going to pay for that. Would be happy though if a luck crate would give it to me. If I were you, I wouldn't go down the carrier path, unless you really liked the Hosho. Also keep in mind that at tier 5, you'll meet a lot of Bogues, which is a bit too strong for tier 5, which turned it into a very popular sea clubber (read: you may encounter more experienced captains in better ships against you). Tier 5 also has the worst matchmaking in the game, so you'll have reasonably high chances of ending up in tier 7 games, which means your planes become useless against these ships because their AA is too good.

If you are looking for tiers with good matchmaking, best matchmaking can be found at tier 7 (tier 10 excluded), most games you play, you'll be fighting tier 5. Only very rarely you'll encounter tier 9. Tiers 1, 3 and 4 also have nice matchmaking.

PS: Might also be interesting to hear other captains their experiences before taking these decisions, after all, everything i'm typing here is just my opinion, which is far from perfect :)
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« Reply #64 on: 03-01-2017, 09:01:04 »
Dukat I think you missed that you are supposed to sell old ships and move commanders to next in line, unless you really really want to keep them all. I think furutaka got substantial buff, since before it only had it's stock configuration, but now it apparently is beast at tier 5. My friend kept it and still plays it, I'm yet to try it again. I'd also say tiers 6-8 are the sweetspot for casual player.

Like born2kill, I'd recommend german BB line (with manual fire secondaries at tier 7 & 8 ) and US DD line. I feel higher I go the cruiser lines, more of punch bag I am and less of usefull part of my team. Possible exception being russian cruisers, they are just nasty at tier 6-8, with fire chance skills and flags, they burn battleships like no tommorrow.
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« Reply #65 on: 03-01-2017, 10:01:17 »
At US BB's i'm at t9 iowa
At US CL i'm at T8 new orleans
At German BB's i'm at T8 bismarck
At German DD's T5
British CL's T7 Fiji
Japanese BB's and CL at T7.

One of the best battleship lines for amazing all round playing, i highly reccomend, as Ajappat did, to go German battleships. They are slightly more vurnable to long range fire, as they can be citadelled (speaking beyond 16km), but at close range, things change, alot.

First of all, the armour. Its extremely tough, you will find that its very difficult to citadel a german BB. So get in close. Dont forget to angle the armour tough.

Second, the primary guns. They are a bit wonky at long range, but at close range they are powerfull. Bismarck might have smaller guns and less... But they still punch trough a North carolina and Nagato's belt armour, and in return, these ships are not as good at close range.

Third, and very very important= Secondary batteries. Starting at gneisenau, they become extremely powerfull. Gneisenau has 12 x 2 12.8cm guns. And a maximum range at 7.6km.
Bismarck carries 8x2 10.5cm and 6x2 15cm secondary guns at a maximum range of >>10.6<< km. Higher then any of its tiers and equal to T10 BB's. Then once you reach the magnificent T5 skill manual fire control, they are the best secondaries out their. DD's and Cruiser health melts in sight of these guns. BB's can withstand the 10.5cm's, but not the 15cm's, and then you have the fire chance, wich basically allows you to fire AP at the enemy with your primaries, but a cleveland is at your broadside firing HE at them.

And at T8 starting, german BB's get hydro. Very handy for torpedos

But most importanty with german BB's= GET in CLOSE.
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« Reply #66 on: 03-01-2017, 11:01:37 »
You both seem fond of Manual Fire secondaries, it's that good? So far, i've always picked other skills for a few reasons. While I do think they can melt enemies, I do love my secondaries as DD warning. DDs are most dangerous to me when I'm already fighting a different target. When I then suddenly hear (more of) my secondaries roar into action, I know that I have to start maneuvring towards the DD to dodge incoming torpedoes and fire some nice shells into that DD. Another thing about Manual Fire is that the result of only firing on command, means that you can only use one side of your hull for secondaries. I love sailing in between my enemies and just giving out presents with my secondaries on both sides. All in all, I see Manual Fire as an improvement, but never considered it worth 5 captain points (except maybe on the Bismarck). Am I wrong in this? So far, I've went with fire prevention stuff and manual AA instead (as AA still fires with that skill, even when you don't order it to, just less powerful then) and can't say I regret it so far. I've seen carriers go apeshit when they attack me thinking I'm an easy pick as German BB, and then end up losing whole waves of their airplanes without them even damaging me.
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« Reply #67 on: 03-01-2017, 12:01:11 »
The diffrence is quite big, as i found my amount of hits up by almost 200%.
As for bismarck
On average, if i have 100k damage in a battle, i find 20 000 of this damage done by my secondary batteries
This not counting fires, wich can easily add another 15k. You can never net the same results with North carolina nor amagi. Yet once you get in range with those ships, its very powerfull

As a cruiser, never get into range of an amagi. Its 14cm guns fire AP shells wich rip trough you very easily

North carolina has a balanced set of secondaries, not as good as bismarck, but still decent enough.

The thing is, people look at BB's as snipers. Dont be a sniper, be a brawler. play a BB aggressivly and you can even find yourself taking out DD's at close range
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« Reply #68 on: 03-01-2017, 12:01:48 »
The thing is, people look at BB's as snipers. Dont be a sniper, be a brawler. play a BB aggressivly and you can even find yourself taking out DD's at close range

I agree for German BBs, but not for all BBs. Attack and brawl together with DDs in your Iowa and you'll find yourself back in port very very very quickly. At tier 9+, teams very rarely actively support pushes, and you'll just find yourself getting shot at by like 8 enemy players (or at least, that's my experience in it). If you reverse, you won't be out in time. If you turn, the second you show broadside, you're dead. It's mostly why I stopped playing my Iowa. I don't really feel like sticking with the blob and just sniping all game. Right now I'm enjoying my German BBs which encourage you plenty to go full Leeroy-Jenkins  ;D
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« Reply #69 on: 03-01-2017, 14:01:05 »
Yeah, I love secondaries in Gneisenau and Bismarck. Together with fires they set, it's not rare that they amount up to 30% of dmg done. I have secondary Yamato and tried secondary build with Grosse, but 10,6km secondaries are just not enough in campy playstyle of tier 9 and 10 games.

And the playstyle of highest tiers is my biggest gripe with this game atm. I just can't stand how passive it is, it's like people don't care for caps at all. And I don't think WG making everyone always pay full repair cost even with no dmg taken helped at all. It just made tier 9 and 10 way more expensive to play. Then to top that off, there's actually no reason to even play tier 10, there's no clan wars, there's nothing.  Just over expensive ships with boring gameplay.

So unlocking new ships just to find new favourites to play for fun is the way to go imho.

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« Reply #70 on: 08-01-2017, 12:01:16 »
I got my problems solved.

And I got a free slot. I just don't know what to buy yet.



1. I cannot buy the Tier 7 Battleship Nagato as the Tier 6 Battleship Fuso has not been fully developed.

2. I don't want to buy the Tier 6 Cruiser Aoba because I expect her to perform badly. It got almost the same specifications as the Furutaka, 3 double turrets, same caliber, just one tier higher where it will face much harder opponents.

3. I could keep the Tier 2 Destoyer Umikaze and go up the destroyer branch, without having to sell Umikaze. But my impression is, that the destroyer branch is totally crowded, meaning there are too many people playing them. Usually half of the ships in a battle are destroyers, and it is much less fun to fight destroyers with a destroyer instead of torping the big whales.

4. I could buy the Tier 5 Carrier Zuiho without having to sell the Tier 4 Carrier Hosho. I really like the Hosho, but I've heard bad things about the carrier branch and the japanese carrier branch in particular. From what I've heard it is kinda unplayable, no fun, unfair, whatever. Plus: I barely see any carriers above tier 4, which seems to confirm this.

Does anyone have suggestions?
Try the Russian Cruisers. They are among the best and the Tier X Battlecrusier Moskva is an absolute BEAST. If you want premium I recommend the Mikail Kutuzov and the Molotov.
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« Reply #71 on: 10-01-2017, 00:01:39 »
I bought the tier 3 destroyer Wakatake. I'm quite happy so far.

I only had made a mistake choosing the skills for the Umikaze Captain, picking a wrong skill by accident. I realized that now when I moved him to the Wakatake. After I had grinded him to level 10. I exchanged him for a level 8 Captain from the barracks, which means I have to grind additional 75k to get this captain to level 10, befor I can start with my goals I had for the Wakatake from level 10 upwards. Gladly Wakatake isn't that bad.

Thanks for all replies on this matter.
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« Reply #73 on: 09-03-2017, 16:03:51 »
-First italian premium ship announched. The Duca D'Aosta. Wich is a condottieri class light cruiser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condottieri-class_cruiser

She will be tier 6, having a simular appearance to the leander class cruiser however
-8x152mm guns
-6x100mm guns
-2x3 533mm torpedo launchers
-37 knot speed
-very light armor
-Better AA guns
(Keep in mind, the Battleship Roma was also confirmed a while ago, so she might appear soon aswel!)

-French cruiser line announched.
https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/updates/oh-la-la/
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