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Forgotten Hope 2 => General Discussion => Topic started by: NTH on 16-07-2011, 11:07:46
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Just to let you know, there are is a award and stat system in place:
It looks like this, congrats by the way Taz :)
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9823/awardv.jpg)
And can be found here:
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/players/ (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/players/)
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why u no work on BFE Waw?
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nice! just wondering ... i was playing a bit on 762 some minutes ago and it doesnt show up in that ranking system. do they boykott your new ranking? :D
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Seems almost like it.
Don't play there till they join. ;)
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The Servers registered for the Awards (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/servers) have to comply with our server rules (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/server-rules) to have the stats collected.
Most likely the servers with no data collected so far don´t have the needed settings yet.
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BFE WaW Admins are working to get everything sorted at the moment.
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BFE WaW Admins are working to get everything sorted at the moment.
Good to know. As least the rounds I played were alot of fun. Most important thing I guess.
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It looks like this, congrats by the way Taz :)
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9823/awardv.jpg)
Thnx, Achtungsnow is now leading though!
Make sure you shoot him a lot if you see him! :P
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BFE WaW Admins are working to get everything sorted at the moment.
Good to know. As least the rounds I played were alot of fun. Most important thing I guess.
nah I ma not playing if teh awards system is not working.
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Good job here Taz! Must move my character up the field as I'm afraid I'll be left behind ;)
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nah I ma not playing if teh awards system is not working.
Bloody awesome attitude, dude.
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762 has an unofficial "award" system, that server is not a real [Ranked] FH2 server, they have against our will added that to their server name.
Play on HSLAN or other servers to get your profile in to the real FH2 awards.
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762 has an unofficial "award" system, that server is not a real [Ranked] FH2 server, they have against our will added that to their server name.
Play on HSLAN or other servers to get your profile in to the real FH2 awards.
What glorious natty said
Hslan wont ban you because you use panzerfaust and bazooka against infantry
Admin kicked me yesterday on 762(AGAIN) because i was fausttillering and Zookasniping....
ok i MIGHT have said KEEP CRYING BABY! against one of the people ingame who was delvering insults at my name.....
Play Fair! Play GOOD! Play HSLAN, Wolf(North america), 79th!
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HSLAN will ban you for being idle though, so watch out!
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I was playing a few servers including wolf and HSLAN and non of my stats where saved. :( I played for like 9 hours.
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what an irony! ranking made 762 big. now ranking will let it vanish. better join the official ranking 762 admins!
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what an irony! ranking made 762 big. now ranking will let it vanish. better join the official ranking 762 admins!
Yet still it was first server in europe to gain players and fill up today. Just like it has been last year.
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Dunno how, but my ranks where set back to 0 in some kind... half an hour ago, I had a playing time of 3 hours or something, now its 26 minutes... ???
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Yep so did everyone elses . Somehow though i managed to go from 54 to 18 in the glimpse of an eye...
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Its really not motivating... if the awards are that buggy, they should better be disabled till everything is fixed. :(
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Bugfixing going on. I think they will come back as they were.
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Bugfixing going on. I think they will come back as they were.
So there is some work on it going on at the moment, and the old stats will come back when its finished?
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Its really not motivating... if the awards are that buggy, they should better be disabled till everything is fixed. :(
We can't fix problems that we do not know exist and we can only know they exist by seeing them pop up as the system is being used. We fixed hundreds of bugs during betatesting, but some of them slipping though is unavoidable. In the end, we want a system that is durable and cannot be (easily) exploited so that everyone can enjoy it for a long time.
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Banned for being idle are you kidding me ;D
Its the ******** BF2CC that works realy bad and sometimes you have to ban and after that to lift this ban, because kicking doesnt work :-\
Cheers Tulit
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Bugfixing going on. I think they will come back as they were.
So there is some work on it going on at the moment, and the old stats will come back when its finished?
That is the plan.
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BFE WAW server has fixed its problems and is now recording its stats (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/server/49/).
Also, everyone's time played (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/players/1/time) is back. It was calculated incorrectly before, but that is now fixed, so while you might have less time than the website indicated earlier, your time played should now be correct. (For example, the highest ranking player, Achtungsnow, had played 28 hours, while 2.4 has only been out for 24.)
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BFE WAW server has fixed its problems and is now recording its stats (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/server/49/).
Also, everyone's time played (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/players/1/time) is back, though, due to a bug (which hopefully now is fixed) the time played is somewhat inflated compared to the actual time played. Achtungsnow for example has played over 28 hours while 2.4 was released 24 hours ago. (Maybe you should get some sleep mate ;))
You guys are to fast. At this rate the war will be over by christmas. ;D
Thx for all your hard work.
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why u no work on BFE Waw?
they work on the WaW servers now
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what an irony! ranking made 762 big. now ranking will let it vanish. better join the official ranking 762 admins!
Well its not only server. Sisu 126 server wont be sending any data to official stats system either.
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I believe the point Butcher was making was that the only reason people played on 762 was due to the broken unofficial ranking system they had.
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And now they have [PURE] in their names as well... sneaky...
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Yeah, I just hope that 762 actually becomes honest about it, instead of drawing in players for a broken awards system ::)
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and rules the admins make up where they stand
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And now they have [PURE] in their names as well... sneaky...
We use it since 2.26... it just means that we havent edit some code of the fh2... our ranking system is not based on the fh2 ones. So could you please stop talking about that.
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Using [PURE] when not meaning it is false advertisement.
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And now they have [PURE] in their names as well... sneaky...
We use it since 2.26... it just means that we havent edit some code of the fh2... our ranking system is not based on the fh2 ones. So could you please stop talking about that.
Yes, this is true. Your servers are running all settings as recommended by the developers, so the [PURE] tag is wholly deserved. As for the ranking, well, I would prefer to see all servers adopting the official ranking, but if you want to keep your own, then that is understandable. Perhaps you could think about changing the "RANKED" part to "unofficial ranking" or "762-ranking" to avoid confusion, but again, it would be understandable, to me at least, if you would leave it as it is.
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But it would be much wiser if youd just give up your system and join the FH2's one, instead or splitting a very small playerbase.
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But it would be much wiser if youd just give up your system and join the FH2's one, instead or splitting a very small playerbase.
exactly ... the official ranking players wont join 762 and vice versa, making it harder to find servers and propably you will seldom meet someone from the "other group".
but looking at your stats (NEO) with nearly 1000 hours played i doubt they will change their ranking system. isnt it possible to have BOTH ranking systems on 762?
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@Lightning
Ive send a PM to you.
@all
We have asked more than one year ago to help fh2 devs to develop the ranking system, but they wont work together with others.
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We use it since 2.26... it just means that we havent edit some code of the fh2... our ranking system is not based on the fh2 ones. So could you please stop talking about that.
Dude, you're using Forgotten Hope 2 graphics as forum display... And you're telling people you aren't using FH2 awards? Why can't you just admit you have used our awards unofficially, and now that we have released it, simply join the forces and start using the real Awards instead. Isn't the unity and equality of this very small playerbase more important than your personal stats and server history?
Please cooperate with us, we developed this mod and the awards for free, for people to have fun. Your unofficial awards are a bit like software piracy, and it's hurting the playerbase.
(These are my own personal opinions)
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I would have nothing against servers having their own ranking for whatever reason they see fit, however 762's ranking system looks exactly like the official one, which will cause confusion amongst players. Some indication that playing on 762 doesn't advance your rank would be in good taste, be it in the server name or ingame messages or 762 instead of the FH2 logo in the sig or something else. Right now I can't help but think they are deliberately trying to confuse players. Then again, the patch has been out only for a few days, so maybe they are working on this issue.
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I would have nothing against servers having their own ranking for whatever reason they see fit, however 762's ranking system looks exactly like the official one, which will cause confusion amongst players. Some indication that playing on 762 doesn't advance your rank would be in good taste, be it in the server name or ingame messages or 762 instead of the FH2 logo in the sig or something else. Right now I can't help but think they are deliberately trying to confuse players. Then again, the patch has been out only for a few days, so maybe they are working on this issue.
Again: we use it more than two years... and now all said we try to confuse others???
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Hey everyone.
As you noticed, we're still working on awards system. Thing is, some bugs may be noticed only when massive playerbase hits the servers ;) We plan on having awards system 101% finished tech-wise in about two weeks, however so far the data tracking is doing very well, so a full wipe at the end of works is very unlikely atm.
Rank point thresholds may be adjusted, based on how no-life some of you are ;)
Cheers,
- Spit
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Again: we use it more than two years... and now all said we try to confuse others???
I was under the impression you used the awards made by FH2 devs. Surely you are not expecting them to create new artwork for the medals and badges? In my eyes it was awful nice of them to let you use their content in your ranking system. So yes you are the ones confusing players, not vice versa. All in all, we are not asking you to drop your system, well I'm not anyway, just some clear indication that these stats are not the same as the official ones.
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Oh god, why is this becoming CoD with the awards thingy? let them have their shiny pixel medals and enjoy the game, I repeat, who cares about ranks and awards?
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Oh god, why is this becoming CoD with the awards thingy? let them have their shiny pixel medals and enjoy the game, I repeat, who cares about ranks and awards?
Me. Not really that much about rank tough, as in the end those who play most, will have highest rank. Awards insted are really nice to have imo, think of them as achievements ;)
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well, i didnt care for achievements either in any game, so .... :p. the thing is. The thing is awards ussually encourage people to do stupid things, like find 40 kills with a knife or something like that, been completaly useless to the team.
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I personally don't care about the ranks themselves, but many others do as you can see from all the new games being released, plus the success of the 762 ranking system. And I do care about the new players this may bring: they may start playing for the awards, but after some time theyyll see the deeper side of the mod. This however might work out like that when they find the ranking system inconsistent and illogical, something that happens when you have 2 separate ranking systems that look and feel the same.
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people that play for adwards already have 20938102983109 games in the market with better/longer adwards, so i doubt they will stick with FH2 too long or even give it a chanse. Many games also have regen health and that doesnt not make it a good game mechanic. IMO, awards dont encourage teamwork and make people too obsesed with them.
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Yes, not everyone won't stay, hell, probably most of the newcomers will leave quite soon. But some will stay. If we can increase the active playerbase by only 20%, I say this system was worth the trouble.
On people getting obsessed with them, you are talking about extremes here. Yes, some people will make it their goal to get all of them gold medals and badges, but the "normal" player that makes the majorit, will not go out of his way to knife 10 more people.
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Yes, not everyone won't stay, hell, probably most of the newcomers will leave quite soon. But some will stay. If we can increase the active playerbase by only 20%, I say this system was worth the trouble.
On people getting obsessed with them, you are talking about extremes here. Yes, some people will make it their goal to get all of them gold medals and badges, but the "normal" player that makes the majorit, will not go out of his way to knife 10 more people.
Personally I think it is nice to have ranking system - it is the game play that matters, but having that gives you a sense of accomplishment - what great thing you have done on the battlefield.
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Again: we use it more than two years... and now all said we try to confuse others???
What is the point of using the unofficial ones now that the real thing is released by us?
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Yes, not everyone won't stay, hell, probably most of the newcomers will leave quite soon. But some will stay. If we can increase the active playerbase by only 20%, I say this system was worth the trouble.
On people getting obsessed with them, you are talking about extremes here. Yes, some people will make it their goal to get all of them gold medals and badges, but the "normal" player that makes the majorit, will not go out of his way to knife 10 more people.
Personally I think it is nice to have ranking system - it is the game play that matters, but having that gives you a sense of accomplishment - what great thing you have done on the battlefield.
To my mind, this fantastic mod doesn't need a ranking system, to be good or to get more players. I had my omg-moments before the version 2.4 in this game, without looking on any stats site or getting shiny stars. Now I have the feeling, that most people don't leave their cover do advance or taking/defending objects, because the K/D ratio is more important for them. I hope the selfish players won't stay too long and the real fans will have more space. I feel porud without any award, when I made crazy things that halped my team alot ;D
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Yes, not everyone won't stay, hell, probably most of the newcomers will leave quite soon. But some will stay. If we can increase the active playerbase by only 20%, I say this system was worth the trouble.
On people getting obsessed with them, you are talking about extremes here. Yes, some people will make it their goal to get all of them gold medals and badges, but the "normal" player that makes the majorit, will not go out of his way to knife 10 more people.
Personally I think it is nice to have ranking system - it is the game play that matters, but having that gives you a sense of accomplishment - what great thing you have done on the battlefield.
To my mind, this fantastic mod doesn't need a ranking system, to be good or to get more players. I had my omg-moments before the version 2.4 in this game, without looking on any stats site or getting shiny stars. Now I have the feeling, that most people don't leave their cover do advance or taking/defending objects, because the K/D ratio is more important for them. I hope the selfish players won't stay too long and the real fans will have more space. I feel porud without any award, when I made crazy things that halped my team alot ;D
young people, you have no idea of how people's mind worked. The awards system is meant to increase the player-base, not just to please we die-hard FH2 hardcore.
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So I'm a bit confused here.
Last night, I got about 90 or so rifle kills on Giarabub. I only used the Carcano 91 for the entire round. I got the bronze rifleman's badge and the accuracy ribbon. Should I not have gotten the gold rifleman's, and silver? And none of that is on my profile.... Also, I got the bronze rifleman's badge earlier, on Eppelsdorf, despite almost soley using the M1919A6 for the entire round....
I am greatly confudled :S
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If you were on wolf, it could be the bug they have on transmitting the information to the officiel website.
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Aahhh, then that would be it.
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You should read recuirements for silver and gold again.
Silver:
Award rifleman bronze gained.
Get 25 kills with rifle
Have 250 rifle kills in total
Gold:
Award rifleman silver gained.
Get 45 kills with rifle
Have 900 rifle kills in total
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OH, you need BOTH, ok, gotcha!
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You should read recuirements for silver and gold again.
Silver:
Award rifleman bronze gained.
Get 25 kills with rifle
Have 250 rifle kills in total
Gold:
Award rifleman silver gained.
Get 45 kills with rifle
Have 900 rifle kills in total
(http://files.sharenator.com/Challenge_Accepted_MeMe_RE_Toothpick_Sculture-s329x270-168877.png)
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young people, you have no idea of how people's mind worked. The awards system is meant to increase the player-base, not just to please we die-hard FH2 hardcore.
Why do you call me "young people"?. I know, that awards are for players like light to the flies. But this mod has more values (and awards are a minor part of them, sorry I much appreciate the effort of the Devs). I convinced a friend of mine to play FH2 and he is amazed by the possiblities of different gameplay styles, that mod offers. Ofcourse this may help to increase the playerbase, but I think, that people, who are realy looking for a good WWII mod for BF 2, will find it without any award system.
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So I'm a bit confused here.
Last night, I got about 90 or so rifle kills on Giarabub. I only used the Carcano 91 for the entire round. I got the bronze rifleman's badge and the accuracy ribbon. Should I not have gotten the gold rifleman's, and silver? And none of that is on my profile.... Also, I got the bronze rifleman's badge earlier, on Eppelsdorf, despite almost soley using the M1919A6 for the entire round....
I am greatly confudled :S
You also need to have a certain amount of players on the server for the kills to count. It was either 12 or 20 players, cant quite remember.
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I would like to see 762 on offic awards system too. Two awards systems in same game are weird, and that 762 seems a little broken to me, like if it wasn't tracking all data.
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762's "awards" matter only on their server + website, whilst the official FH2 Awards counts for the entire FH2 community. So it's more worth it to play on ex; hslan, so your playtime and achievements will be counted and measured with all players :)
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So I'm a bit confused here.
Last night, I got about 90 or so rifle kills on Giarabub. I only used the Carcano 91 for the entire round. I got the bronze rifleman's badge and the accuracy ribbon. Should I not have gotten the gold rifleman's, and silver? And none of that is on my profile.... Also, I got the bronze rifleman's badge earlier, on Eppelsdorf, despite almost soley using the M1919A6 for the entire round....
I am greatly confudled :S
You also need to have a certain amount of players on the server for the kills to count. It was either 12 or 20 players, cant quite remember.
Well that's fine, it was a well populated server last night ;)
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So every time I start a new round on a ranked server (hslan), I get the congratulations for my first award (Objectives, Bronze), even though that was several dozen rounds ago... is this intentional, or is a serverside or clientside bug?
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762's "awards" matter only on their server + website, whilst the official FH2 Awards counts for the entire FH2 community. So it's more worth it to play on ex; hslan, so your playtime and achievements will be counted and measured with all players :)
why don't you integrate both in 1 überawards system? Everyone happy and no bitching all time around the forums. Imagine it, a big stable integrated system and whole community unified! isn't that the solution? ;)
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I don't know what makes me sadder, servers and admins refusing to help the devs in what they created and released or this humongous rift between the tournament communities and the people who made FH2... :'(
I mean, way to go and pour water into the burning oil whoever created that pic!
The reason why the 762 Servers are full is not because the people like that awards system better, but because they are 2 more stable servers that advertise with ranking and are up in the list. Not every new FH2 player will know the difference and then we get people who are unhappy that their awards aren't counted. I mean imagine, how would this look to you, if this were the first time you came to FH2. Yeah you'd probably blame the devs as well and be put off by all the fuss.
Edit: That's just my personal opinion on this, but just try to look from that perspective as well when you think about it. I really admire your support for the community with a 126 player server, how ever you managed to do it. Paying or not. But I do miss the cooperation you mentioned above.
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Well I can proudly say that I haven't been on 762 since the 2.4 release... I mean on their servers there's seldom teamwork, half-broken awards system (well the official one is a bit buggy atm too, but devs will fix it), and all kinds of scorewhoring...
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Dont have anything against 762 per se. I played there quite a bit during 2.3 and so on but now I dont because I do not agree with their decisions to not adopt official awards which have been in the works since 2.15 and finally after so many delays are officially released and being finetuned as we speak. I do not agree with the way they handle this, refusing to adopt something that the rest of the community uses. Unnecessarily splitting the community. Personally I dont care about the awards themselfs and I dont play for them, but I just wish the community could unite under one set of stats.
I see 762 awards totally pointless now. Absolutely worthless. Having a signature image with hundreds of bling bling from some other source other than the official system is the same as trying to sell people fool's gold. Meaningless to keep on using the unofficial when you could do very little deed to get them official.
But if that is the case with 762, then so be it. I have nothing personal towards it, I'd play there as I'd play on hslan or FHT if only they would just submit for the direction that is far more beneficial to everyone. Now its just childish not to adopt the new official system, but if that is how its going to be, fine by me. I dont agree with it, I dont understand it, but Im not going ape-shit about it.
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So every time I start a new round on a ranked server (hslan), I get the congratulations for my first award (Objectives, Bronze), even though that was several dozen rounds ago... is this intentional, or is a serverside or clientside bug?
Now that I think of it, this is probably a "repeat" award since the Bronze Objectives award is not that difficult to achieve.
Re 762, how hard would it be for them to simply take an extract of their ranking database in a compatible form, then the data would be merged with FH2 official awards, and thereafter 762 would use official awards? Sorry guys, but since there are now official awards, having your own "ranked" servers is silly. I could draw my own medals and post them as my sig image, they have just about as much merit now. As a placeholder for "real" awards I could understand it, but now... nah.
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Well I can proudly say that I haven't been on 762 since the 2.4 release... I mean on their servers there's seldom teamwork, half-broken awards system (well the official one is a bit buggy atm too, but devs will fix it), and all kinds of scorewhoring...
126 player server is using 762 awards too and I havent seen any scorewhoring in there.
To one who did ask why not to support official awards..
Well you need to ask why dev's are not accepting stats from +64 servers, they basically force us to use 762 ranks :)
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Big-ass picture
Don't you find it a little odd that there's a server running 2.3 with 56 players playing Brest for over 19 hours without a map change or a change in player numbers? It's a ghost image, not a real server. Whoever made that picture consistently added 56 players too many. At any rate, I do not think such pictures are conductive to a good atmosphere or relationships between different parts of the Forgotten Hope community.
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Hslan and other servers should have a big "OFFICIAL AWARDS" in the name.
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Something like
PURE FH2 RANKING XXXXXX
XXX= servername
and there is one server having ranking sympol, maybe this could be added to all servers.
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Re 762, how hard would it be for them to simply take an extract of their ranking database in a compatible form, then the data would be merged with FH2 official awards, and thereafter 762 would use official awards?
I don't think that's fairly possible. Requirements are quite different in the 762 system, exporting this data to the official system would just give an unfair advantage to some players. ;)
As for the 64+ players servers, the reason seems quite obvious to me. Twice the amount of players = completely different gameplay and stats -> award requirements designed for 64 players servers completely pointless, whatever the system used.
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exactly how some shiny pixels over your name are an advantage??
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good for your e-sexappeal ;D
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To one who did ask why not to support official awards..
Well you need to ask why dev's are not accepting stats from +64 servers, they basically force us to use 762 ranks :)
Yeah, "force you to"...
Have you ever thought of the fact that the awards for 64 players cannot be the same as the awards for 126 players? Like for example it is WAY easier to get 10 kills of this or 15 kills of that when there are almost twice as many players? And btw: the 762 awards don't work properly, as I got a Kreta armband as an American on Bastogne yesterday
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Something like
PURE FH2 RANKING XXXXXX
XXX= servername
and there is one server having ranking sympol, maybe this could be added to all servers.
yeah ranking symbol could be added for official fh2 award servers.
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I agree that having 2 ranking systems is pointless like Flippy said.
Best is to integrate both and make everyone happy. Hope to see 1 awards only one day for this great mod.
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There is only one Ranking system.
If someone want to help us to improve FH2 ranking, he can provide us the datas/informations.
Back On-topic: i remind you we are talking about FH2 ranking.
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Where is The Italian War Hero Medal? ;)
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I think it's very rare. No need to put it into the mod ;)
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I don't understand 1 thing - before 2.4. release people were saying that ranks are sth bad and NOT needed and now they're yelling why 762 ranked server admins don't want to accept the official ranking system.
I don't know what is the exactly reason of that, but it is rather obvious that sb made the ranking system, special website and now all his work will be simply wasted... Don't you think about this?
Not mentioning about vanishing all ranks and awards gained and starting from the beginning for some people...
BTW, I don't care about ranks... Ok, maybe a little - it shows experience of players. But, I don't accept awards - like "you need to kill 100 to get this badge" - this ruins totally the teamplay on public and makes fest camping by lonely wolves...
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I don't understand 1 thing - before 2.4. release people were saying that ranks are sth bad and NOT needed and now they're yelling why 762 ranked server admins don't want to accept the official ranking system.
I don't know what is the exactly reason of that, but it is rather obvious that sb made the ranking system, special website and now all his work will be simply wasted... Don't you think about this?
Not mentioning about vanishing all ranks and awards gained and starting from the beginning for some people...
BTW, I don't care about ranks... Ok, maybe a little - it shows experience of players. But, I don't accept awards - like "you need to kill 100 to get this badge" - this ruins totally the teamplay on public and makes fest camping by lonely wolves...
I think you're just pissed off cause you'll have to earn all those shiny gold medals again... ::)
Yes their work will go to waste, but the devs announced an official award system many years ago, so 762 guys didn't have to bother setting up their own version anyway.
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Everyone started from scratch with the release of 2.4 :)
Just because some server have kept a record of what their players did, doesn't matter really. FH2 was released dec 7th 2007, so everyone has some hours put in, no matter what server they have been on.
There is only one Ranking & Award system in Forgotten Hope 2, it is here --> http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/
The fact that a server can name itself to anything it wants, doesnt change the fact that it is running unofficial home-made stat system. 762 admins should rename their servers and remove the RANKED from their names, to make it easier for players to see which server will give them real awards and which not.
Pretty much like in BF2 servers, the official ones had [Ranked] in their names, these ones gave you unlocks, ranks and GlobalPoints for playing.
I don't know what EA would do if you named your unranked server RANKED in vBF2, probably shut it down. Something we also can do, but we hope we don't have to go that far.
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Well said Natty, nail on the head.
BTW, I don't care about ranks... Ok, maybe a little - it shows experience of players. But, I don't accept awards - like "you need to kill 100 to get this badge" - this ruins totally the teamplay on public and makes fest camping by lonely wolves...
100 is only required as an accumulation of total kills in/with that class if I'm not mistaken, that counter is not limited to one round or one medal. From what I've seen, most people just play like they always do. If I pick a medal up along the way, that's cool. And 762 had its fun, time to bite the sour grape now. It's in their best interest really as holding onto their 'own' system will not benefit them in the end. It'll just be YouKnowWho-24 and some others.
Stripes don't matter with everyone 'official', the 2.4 release was a chance to avoid that problem on 762. Everyone starts from scratch. Vets will float to the surface no matter what. Now, if they'd only made the switch too, but no. So this gap will only get bigger, new players will prefer official servers, adapting is the logical and best choice, grinding of teeth or not.
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But I still dont understand why raging against each other. I mean we are mostly grown up people here, we should be able to talk to each other and even maybe to learn from each other.
Yeah, I can understand, that 762 should get a name, which especially the new players, who dont know, why there are 2 different ranking system, couldnt mess up with.
I can also understand that there is a little aggression against them, because they used the medals and symbols, which were in the files for years. But if its true, that they got the permission from the guy, who made them, then there isnt any problem. They are administrating two very successfull servers, which became the most popular servers during the last 2 years. Even hslan could widthstand them after years, something which noone ever expected. So I still cannot understand why not talk to each other. They have much more experience in using a stats system, that is a fact.
I am afraid, that this will split up this small community.
I do not know, whats happening behind the scenes or how the 762-Devs talk about the official ranking, or even if they are reacting like small children and raging against the official ranking, so that the FH2-Devs have a reason not to talk to them. I dont know, if there already is a experience-exchange, but in this thread it feels just like a fanboy discussion. Maybe I even got some of the post from the Devs like Natty wrong, but it dont looks like an unbiased discussion, which it should be in my opinion.
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To clarify: Me personally, think it is awesome with populated FH2 servers :) 762 guys did a good job building up a series of servers that fill up each night. That is not an easy job, and kudos to them for hosting our mod.
However, we developed the Award system, but didnt implement it until now. They are using our graphics and started a pre-award system on their own. Now that's fine and dandy, and a charming initiative when no official awards were available. Players can go to their website and check how they are doing. But since we released the official Awards, I see very little point in this home-made system.
Sure they can still run it, but at least they should remove the Ranked tags from their server names...
And really ask themselves the question Why, they need to keep running their home-made stats, when real ones are available..........
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I can imagine 762 will not just trow away there rankings. Is it possible to keep track using the 2 rankings systems? Looks confusing, but they could only show ingame awards for 1 system, and keep the website for second system. This way no-one will loose all his ranking history and still enjoy the new system.
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I don't get why FH2 team developed a new stats system when 762 already had one working since two years. I mean, in term of functionality, the new FH2 system is pretty much the same as the 762 one.
Is it because 762 wasn't open to share their work with FH2 team? ???
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I don't get why FH2 team developed a new stats system when 762 already had one working since two years.
762 is just a server, it has nothing to do with what we develop ;) They aren't developers of the mod.
The reason we developed the stats system was because we make the mod, and our award system is universal on all servers, whilst 762s only matters on their server.
Our system is also way older than 762s, we just havent finished it until now. 762 knew this, but couldnt wait for the official one to be released, so they made a home-made version of it. We were OK with that, thinking 'let them have some fun if they want' but now when the real awards are implemented, the 762 system is obsolete (no longer needed)
So for a player it makes more sense to play on servers with the real awards, as these matter and is counted on every officially Ranked server.
Playing on 762 is a bit like playing vBF2 on an unranked server.... it can ofcourse be fun, but you don't earn any points or awards for your soldier profile.
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762 is just a server
That isnt correct Natty - you know that ;)
And all servers are able to use and run it.
We ask 2 years ago to become part of FH2Devs - arent we?
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If you were good enough and met the requirements of dev team or approached to it so seriously and professional that you could work in the interest of FH2 development I think there wouldn't be any problem... AFAIK FH2 NEEDS more developers, am I right? Something must have been wrong with your applications...
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That isnt correct Natty - you know that ;)
And all servers are able to use and run it.
We ask 2 years ago to become part of FH2Devs - arent we?
hm what application?
well... uh ok, you have 2 servers.... my point still stands... Official Fh2 awards counts on all these servers:
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/servers
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Menacing Ferets has got to be the best name on that list
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Oh great. Yet another example of FH2 suffering at the hands of people's stupidity... ::)
To clarify: Me personally, think it is awesome with populated FH2 servers :) 762 guys did a good job building up a series of servers that fill up each night. That is not an easy job, and kudos to them for hosting our mod.
However, we developed the Award system, but didnt implement it until now. They are using our graphics and started a pre-award system on their own. Now that's fine and dandy, and a charming initiative when no official awards were available. Players can go to their website and check how they are doing. But since we released the official Awards, I see very little point in this home-made system.
Sure they can still run it, but at least they should remove the Ranked tags from their server names...
And really ask themselves the question Why, they need to keep running their home-made stats, when real ones are available..........
Well said.
@Neo82: Put the mod and it's small community first mate. Adopt the official system, or at the very least, drop the Ranked tags.
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I receive PMs at least once a week, from people who are confused by the servers and who complain why their game wasn't counted towards the stats or why an award won't show, so this is in fact causing really a lot of confusion under new players.
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Having hacked modmod rankings made sense as long as there was no official ranking system, and as long as people understood that it was only temporary while waiting for the real thing; if people have been confusing 762 rankings to be "official", it is hardly the FH2 devs' fault. But now there is an official ranking system, and there's no reason to have two. "Losing your stats" (since converting is not possible) is a weak excuse: everyone started from scratch at the release of 2.4, but the same names that have been raising fear and sense of doom since when are already at the top of the score list.
Forcing other servers and devs to adapt what has been a temporary hack... no, it simply does not work that way. Maybe, if the 762 guys had been more vocal about their wishes to help develop the award system, maybe even here on FH2's own forum, it could have been included in 2.3 already, but I don't remember this coming up in any of the award-related discussions during the past three years, and "could've, would've, should've" is pointless anyway.
Please, the FH2 community is too small to be split up. The system might not be perfect but it is there, and it's an imperfect world we live in.
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To add to that: We just released this system... Spitfire05 ("Spit") is constantly updating and fixing our system, and since we are the dev team, we will update and synch the award system with upcoming releases, be it theatres, game modes, whatever we feel is cool to give out awards on.
So this is more than a website counting your fragz and hours killed, it's your FH2 profile being part of the FH2 online experience. We can offer this, fan-made stats can't. And we obviously want all players to be part of the same experience.
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Both parties have their legit opinions.
If it wasnt for 762 motivation to put the awards 2 years ago, FH2 might already be dead in terms of players base a long time ago since their servers where the only ones being populated for big part of the time.
But having only one pure rank system to avoid confusion is always better also.
Im curious to see how this will unfold.
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Why cant the 762 guys just drop the 'FH2 RANKED PURE' from their server names? Would save a lot of trouble and confusion for everyone if it had a straightforward name that clearly showed it wasn't official stats. Surprised after a couple of weeks past release they haven't done this.
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RAnDOOm, trolling doesnt help much, dunno why you do it. We arent alive because of some server, we are alive because we have constantly updated and supported the mod.
Some players have chosen 762 over hslan, in false belief maybe that the 762 stats are real. :-\
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RAnDOOm, trolling doesnt help much, dunno why you do it. We arent alive because of some server, we are alive because we have constantly updated and supported the mod.
Some players have chosen 762 over hslan, in false belief maybe that the 762 stats are real. :-\
Im not trolling, you know me better then that.
That "false belief" made FH2 active for the past 2 years.... Either anyone likes it or not, the fact is that the most populated servers for the past 2 years were the 762 and it was because of the ranks. And because of that ( and the tournaments ) FH2 was and still is active.
I highly doubt that FH2 publick play would be active nowadays if there wasnt a ranking system ( or tournaments ) in place for that time.
Im just pointing out a fact that is more then obvious.
Not supporting either side here.
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Players would have been on HSLAN.
Sorry but... get real. Ive been in FHT, I know that FH would survive just fine without both tournaments. They are both awesome, but claiming that FH2 exists because of them is megalomaniac and flat out wrong. No one else in FHT stands behind those suggestions so you should be a bit embarrassed for having said it.
It's a bit like saying BF2 wouldnt have a playerbase if it weren't for mods.
762 is not the reason for our playerbase still existing, but their stats system is what made players click on their server instead of on hslan, capiche? :-\
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I open this thread again. If the fighting doesn't stop, I'll delete the whole thread.
Now, discussion about the award system. Go.
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Sorry but... get real. Ive been in FHT, I know that FH would survive just fine without both tournaments. They are both awesome, but claiming that FH2 exists because of them is megalomaniac and flat out wrong. No one else in FHT stands behind those suggestions so you should be a bit embarrassed for having said it.
It's a bit like saying BF2 wouldnt have a playerbase if it weren't for mods.
Just to correct you. What i said was my own opinion and it has nothing related to F|H like you assumed.
So next time be carefull before taking such assumptions.
Carry on.
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I would like an award for spotter plane pilots.
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Just coming back from a round on HSLAN, we had some guy asking why there are two different systems and why his rank was lower on HSLAN.
I had to explain him that his rank on 762 isnt really a "rank"
This is proof that 762 does not inform their players that their stats are unofficial. + the fact that their server name or webiste doesnt mention it. :-\
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Someone should do a news update to explain those two system.
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Ya, I was right there. Actually the first time encountering Natty online tbh. Sad shame 762 doesn't convert. Just suspend theirs for the time being, and let's get the feedback we need to improve this one. It can even be upgraded in an update rather than in a Version release. But at least my score on 762 would count for something.
Truthfully though, I think what players are whining for is, why is it so tough to get a medal on the official system... Erm, because there a finite number of awards??
Without a tracker, I bet 762 has ALOT of people at highest awards, and that is the end of their progress.
The awards is the only aspect of 'unlocks' we have in FH2 = Really no need to make it so easy.
HSLAN is on 64 players most days, so I always dread having to go to 762, where my awards don't count. I really wish they'd just be part of the rest of the Forgotten Hope world.
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I would also play on 762 if they adapted our awards. They are good servers with fun playing on them, but it feels like wasted time when it's not counting on my Awards profile... And for me and other players that cant play every day for long hours, we really want to get all the data we can to our official Award site....
hslan should totally open a 2nd server as well 8)
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...wasted time when it's not counting on my Awards profile...
seriously?? the fact that you are playing and having fun killing, and enjoying your spare time is wasted just because you stop earning shiny pixel medals?
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If you are going to play long term, why not play on servers that will record your stats? 900 hours down the road, it'll be cool to check out your rifle kills and etc.
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...wasted time when it's not counting on my Awards profile...
seriously?? the fact that you are playing and having fun killing, and enjoying your spare time is wasted just because you stop earning shiny pixel medals?
He said, 'gain data', but for players.... yer, earn a shiny pixel medal. That's why I am hesitant. Really, it could be on any server, so why play on the one with the least profit?
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We all have Magpie genes in us somewhere, so we all love shiny things.
...My precioussssss.... ^^
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seriously?? the fact that you are playing and having fun killing, and enjoying your spare time is wasted just because you stop earning shiny pixel medals?
You see only the surface. I could spend half a page educating you about player psychology but instead I will respect Ciupitas request and keep the thread clean. 8)
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Damn, it's a long way from 14 hours up to 100 :P
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This is just sad 60 something people being duped by the big shiny [RANKED] on the 762 servers and we can't fill the French Community Server... :'( :'( :'(
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Well, to be fair, some of those people patronize it because of the promise of quick reward, compared to the FH2 award system which is more at par with how FH2 is.
Then there are the likes of myself, who..well, would rather play on a server that has at least 48 people on it, and can't play on HSLAN most often because it is full.
Easy fix is for them to tow the line... But otherwise, *shrugs*.. they just happen to strategically placed to take those that dont get HSLAN and still want an almost full server...
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The magic number seems to be 20-30 for a server to fill up. HSLAN needs a second server! ^^
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YU-UP! Totally agree
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This is just sad 60 something people being duped by the big shiny [RANKED] on the 762 servers and we can't fill the French Community Server... :'( :'( :'(
FYI, 762 gives better pings to North Americans than hslan and others few populated European servers. IMHO, shinny pixels are less important than having a decent connection for a good bunch of us.
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Yer, but between HSLAN and 762, HSLAN is more likely full at all times, NOT always the case with 762
And HSLAN was almost dead until 2.4... That says less about America, More about the world
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This is just sad 60 something people being duped by the big shiny [RANKED] on the 762 servers and we can't fill the French Community Server... :'( :'( :'(
FYI, 762 gives better pings to North Americans than hslan and others few populated European servers. IMHO, shinny pixels are less important than having a decent connection for a good bunch of us.
I live in Québec just like you and I will never play 762 because of the sucky experience I have their, plus they don't use the officiel awards system. When I play on HSLAN I have decent connection like you say. So it's not really a problem.
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Let's see how that new sig with the old username are doing 8)
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Is the awards fully working?
I played on hslan the outer day, think it was Saturday. Played as a British sniper on Mersa Matruh. I killed 20 people with it during that round, but it has never been registered in the awards as sniper kills. The kills, deaths and the map itself was registered but the sniper shows zero kills.
was it just a glitch during that evening?
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Iirc the one of the allied sniper rifles doesn't count as a sniper rifle in the awards.
I believe this was intentional, but I not quite sure.
Edit: Corrected.
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the Pattern 14 Sniper isnt a sniper rifle in the award system (little bug). So when you kill with this gun it's like you use a rifle.
Reporter, it's not intentional.
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Ah I see.
That explains it.
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btw, a win in Brest seemed to be registered as a win in siege of Tobruk.
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Just realized why it pays to play on a sparsely populated server - some awards are actually easier to achieve then. Let's take an example, bleed is ignored for the sake of simplicity.
Both sides get 500 tickets, there are 50 players. This averages to 10 kills per player (some have less, some much more).
Both sides still get 500 tickets, there are 25 players. This averages to 20 kills per player.
Both sides still get 500 tickets, but now there's only 10 players. This averages to 50 kills per player.
If I were (not that I would ever admit) playing just to get a bigger e-pen0r, I would go to a server with as few players as possible and hope that the time limit is either off or does not kick in before I get the Gold medal... ;D
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To bad the awards only register after 16 people join a server. ;)
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Just realized why it pays to play on a sparsely populated server - some awards are actually easier to achieve then. Let's take an example, bleed is ignored for the sake of simplicity.
Both sides get 500 tickets, there are 50 players. This averages to 10 kills per player (some have less, some much more).
Both sides still get 500 tickets, there are 25 players. This averages to 20 kills per player.
Both sides still get 500 tickets, but now there's only 10 players. This averages to 50 kills per player.
If I were (not that I would ever admit) playing just to get a bigger e-pen0r, I would go to a server with as few players as possible and hope that the time limit is either off or does not kick in before I get the Gold medal... ;D
I don't liked to play with so few players because there is always some "revenge" elements. You killed him, he'll try his back to kill you again.
And don't forget a guy takes 15 seconds to respawn and roughly a minute to be sighted by you and shot by you. While with 64 players people just flood in to the sights of your MG ;D
(and for we tank-busting fans we have a column of Sherman to faust instead of just a lone halftrack)
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Its 12, N24/DLF
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Its 12, N24/DLF
No idea, Malsa said 16 a while ago. I guess Spit could tell us more.
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What! No it's 12, when have I said 16?! ;D
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But I guess its kind of balanced though, with more people come more chance for frags, more ways for victims to be distracted, and therefore more chance for you to go on killing the same way i.e using mortar, AT gun etc...
Waiting for time to elapse, well.... I think time takes longer the faster you die, which doesn't neccesarily happen less in a small crowd, since you all turn to spawn at the nearest flags to each other.
But I don't know, not all systems are perfect. besides, Im actually amazed at all that the devs considered to create this award system.
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This is just sad 60 something people being duped by the big shiny [RANKED] on the 762 servers and we can't fill the French Community Server... :'( :'( :'(
FYI, 762 gives better pings to North Americans than hslan and others few populated European servers. IMHO, shinny pixels are less important than having a decent connection for a good bunch of us.
I live in Québec just like you and I will never play 762 because of the sucky experience I have their, plus they don't use the officiel awards system. When I play on HSLAN I have decent connection like you say. So it's not really a problem.
I live in Germany and can play on allmost every server. But atm I mostly play on 762 server, because I play there with some nice mates over TS and for good teamwork, and not for "false" awards or how you would call it. Stop bashing around and appreciate their work, it is not less worth than the work of the FH2 Devs. They also invest alot of time and money to set up the server to make it able for players to play this great mod and enjoy their time. Btw: I have to say, that the teamplay on Hslan is not the same anymore, as it was before 2.4 and these nice kickstarts, where people came together to play with teamwork. Now you can sometimes wait for hours to get an artillery spot after alot of request. And to say, that only 60 people play on 762 is also not true. They have two full servers, allmost every evening, also during the week. So the experience can't be so bad. (other 762 supported sevrers not included).
Start to behave as a community and not bashing like little girls. This is not very productive and leads to nothing. ;)
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I have to agree with you. That IS another plus for 762. generally better Teamplay. HSLAn... well.. HSLAN is now 'Pubby', a bunch of non-related players doing their own thing.
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Its because hslan noobs are playing WOT, instead of proper game.
so yeah, it kinda broke down a little.Still I'd rather play on hslan than on 762, to avoid 762 admins for example.
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I'm not senselessly bashing 762 (even if I have a gripe with their ranking). In the past I experianced bad teamplay on that server as well (as it attracted the most statwhores in pre-awards times), these have now somewhat moved on and it might have improved over time. Teamwork is something you get with team players and that is possible on any server.
I'm pro-actively doing something for the community by advertising other servers and helping to get them running (also a big thanks to jan and all the other good people who join me). You should do that as well.
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If I were (not that I would ever admit) playing just to get a bigger e-pen0r, I would go to a server with as few players as possible and hope that the time limit is either off or does not kick in before I get the Gold medal... ;D
naah come on where is your math? You wouldn't earn a gold medal faster in played time this way. With few players on the server, you wont kill as many players / min of playtime. you are more likely to get medals on full servers where you have more things to shoot at.
Right....? ???
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Its because hslan noobs are playing WOT, instead of proper game.
so yeah, it kinda broke down a little.Still I'd rather play on hslan than on 762, to avoid 762 admins for example.
Why would you want to avoid them. I play with them, and they are in deed very very strict, when it comes to their rules. If you TK someone for fun, there is no mercy - 2 weeks banned. Same for people, who fire into ABC lines or uncapptural mainbases - they get a warning and after this, if they don't stop, they get kicked. That aren't to much rules to follow, but the chance that there is a admin on the server is quiet good. So if you behave like a normal player, you will have a good time.
@DLF-Reporter: I played on nearly every server since the release. A very good server is also the Russian server. First I thought, the ping would be to high, but it is ok for middle or east european players. French community server is ok, but nothing special to me. Most of them (!@!-guys) played on the 762 server before the release. Some good players, but also some statswhores - as on every other server (762 included). It would also be nice to have some advertising for the "Feierabend-server" - I like it to play on this server. Good ping and mostly fairplay. Yesterday I played on this server and had a good time, though some people don't know, that there is a ABC line on Hurtgen Forest ^^
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If I were (not that I would ever admit) playing just to get a bigger e-pen0r, I would go to a server with as few players as possible and hope that the time limit is either off or does not kick in before I get the Gold medal... ;D
naah come on where is your math? You wouldn't earn a gold medal faster in played time this way. With few players on the server, you wont kill as many players / min of playtime. you are more likely to get medals on full servers where you have more things to shoot at.
Right....? ???
You can get extremely high score on almost empty server as there is still high amount of tickets and without time limit you can camp in one place with some weapon and raaaaaape. There is less risk to get killed because you control your enemies by comparing your kills to players number and as long as you know where spawnpoints are you can predict your enemies movement etc. (what isn't that simply on full server). It is an easy way to earn some medals, but it sucks...
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Its because hslan noobs are playing WOT, instead of proper game.
so yeah, it kinda broke down a little.Still I'd rather play on hslan than on 762, to avoid 762 admins for example.
Why would you want to avoid them. I play with them, and they are in deed very very strict, when it comes to their rules. If you TK someone for fun, there is no mercy - 2 weeks banned. Same for people, who fire into ABC lines or uncapptural mainbases - they get a warning and after this, if they don't stop, they get kicked. That aren't to much rules to follow, but the chance that there is a admin on the server is quiet good. So if you behave like a normal player, you will have a good time.
@DLF-Reporter: I played on nearly every server since the release. A very good server is also the Russian server. First I thought, the ping would be to high, but it is ok for middle or east european players. French community server is ok, but nothing special to me. Most of them (!@!-guys) played on the 762 server before the release. Some good players, but also some statswhores - as on every other server (762 included). It would also be nice to have some advertising for the "Feierabend-server" - I like it to play on this server. Good ping and mostly fairplay. Yesterday I played on this server and had a good time, though some people don't know, that there is a ABC line on Hurtgen Forest ^^
Yer, but i think 762 server rules are a tad harsher. I think HSLAN allows for more TKs, for instance, although if you are Tker, you are kicked quick. Also, if I recall correctly, I can diss someone for being stupid, or use a swear word if I don't direct it at anyone in particular... On 762, or was it another server, you get kicked even for using the word 'ass'
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I have to agree with you. That IS another plus for 762. generally better Teamplay. HSLAn... well.. HSLAN is now 'Pubby', a bunch of non-related players doing their own thing.
Yes, and I'm a big blue flying elephant with purple wings. You must think Unique is one hell of a player then.
But to each his own, I'd rather test a minefield then join that shady server.
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I actually DON'T like to play on 762, because of the current controversy, and because it doesn't give official stats and Awards, but firstly, HSLAN is ALWAYS full, and whn it isn't, I tend to find the Teamplay a tad lacking - I think its mostly newer people.
With 762, it has mature, dedicated fans, so the teamplay aspect has grown quite significanty. That's the only 2 reason you would catch me there... If HSLAN didn't have that issue, and was less often completely full, I would play there ALL the time
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With 762, it has mature, dedicated fans
Apparently, this change has to have happened post-2.4 (after 2.4 I have never gone there again). Because pre-2.4, at least in my experience, 762 was plagued by teamkillers, trolls flooding the textchat from behind of a childish nick ("himmler88" or something similar), nonexistent teamplay - too bad if the map being played required that such as Siege of Tobruk or PHL - and never-present admins.
Yes, there has been an influx of new players due to 2.4, which is nothing but a GOOD thing for a niche mod like FH2. However, the difference between pre-2.3 and post-2.4 is small enough to be invisible to me.
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I suppose.
I did note a problem on one of the Server using the Official Awards. It kept given me an Iron Cross 3rd Class... At least twice each round for doing nothing whatsoever.
And I heard from others they got other awards for doing nothing at all, sometimes, the exact same award multiple times. And seeing that I HAVE that award on my Awards page now, and I really shouldn't, I think I must consider the current Stats for the FH2 Awards as suspect.
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Why shouldn't you have it? your stats page says you played and won enough as germany.
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But I didn't. I sat there on Hurtgen with my squad lying in wait with an MG, and had it appear out of nowhere. Then again, later in that match. And on the next map i.e. Totalize...
I'm sure I have been online for that long and/ or had my side win that many times, but it appeared again and again, and on different maps. Had someone say, they won bronze for the mortar again and again also.
that's why I wonder if i can take the Awards on the site as all Valid.
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You have to win 10 games in the German team and spend 10 hours in it. My guess is that mg waiting in hurtgen forest was when you hitt he ten hour mark.
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Oh, now I respect that. But the fact that it came coming back again and again is all...
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Yeah that happens sometimes. What counts is on the awards page.
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Ok... As long as it doesn't mean false awards are awarded for no merit, I am ok.
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I have to agree with you. That IS another plus for 762. generally better Teamplay. HSLAn... well.. HSLAN is now 'Pubby', a bunch of non-related players doing their own thing.
Yes, and I'm a big blue flying elephant with purple wings. You must think Unique is one hell of a player then.
But to each his own, I'd rather test a minefield then join that shady server.
What a constructive comment. Everybody knows, that Unique is tankwhore, a player you can find on every server. Btw: You are lucky if you are in a team with him. When he is a squadleader, he drives near to the flags and provides a good spawnpoint and gives some support fire. He is just good at tanking. If he is in the enemy team, you have to use teamwork to get him down - it is that easy.
And about the strict rules: What is bad about kicking players who tk for fun or for vehicles, or may it be for revenge? The rules are clear for everyone and provide a fair game. I speak alot with the admins. They have banns and kicks nearly every day, because some players seem to have their own rules. It is a reason, why Sidi Rezegh was soooooooo nice on the last GN.
So have fun with these players on Hslan or somewhere else, because they will give you a nice experience.
Btw: you won't find players, who insult other ones or have these nice little nicks as "himmler88" or whatelse - they get first warned and then kicked or banned. So before judging without haven't played on 762 since the release of 2.4, you should join the server and see how "terrible" and "bad" it is on 762. ;)
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My only gripe is the Admin rules. I can be on arty and given good spots, some are however 'danger-close' especially when trying to support infantry at the church on Port En Bessin. TKs are hard to avoid with CQB going on in the trenchline, right at the mouth of the church and the befry changing hands so often.
I think such things ought to be determined by a kick vote and NOT an auto-kick after a number of teamkills.
I think I also once used the expression 'Cocked and ready to fire!' and I got kicked for the word 'Cock'
Some things require human intervention really.
It may not even be 762, but that is one of my biggest gripes with it... My BIGGEST though IS the Award systems. And I for one, have come to realize that I prefer the Fh2 official awards. It is harder to get awards, so personally I must say, i don't buy the argument that the new awards system just make people play for trinkets. It was probably the same when 762 got thiers first.
Its about early-excitiment. It wears away, and people stasrt to focus on what's important.
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My only gripe is the Admin rules. I can be on arty and given good spots, some are however 'danger-close' especially when trying to support infantry at the church on Port En Bessin. TKs are hard to avoid with CQB going on in the trenchline, right at the mouth of the church and the befry changing hands so often.
I think such things ought to be determined by a kick vote and NOT an auto-kick after a number of teamkills.
I think I also once used the expression 'Cocked and ready to fire!' and I got kicked for the word 'Cock'
Some things require human intervention really.
It may not even be 762, but that is one of my biggest gripes with it... My BIGGEST though IS the Award systems. And I for one, have come to realize that I prefer the Fh2 official awards. It is harder to get awards, so personally I must say, i don't buy the argument that the new awards system just make people play for trinkets. It was probably the same when 762 got thiers first.
Its about early-excitiment. It wears away, and people stasrt to focus on what's important.
They don't kick instantly for TK on 762. Only for teamkills on purpose. You can't avoid it to make TK in this mod, but after a -18 score you should think about, what you did wrong. I for one leave the mortar and try to help my team on another way. To check the targets and the map also helps alot - but thats enough of explaination. So see you on the server next time ;)
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So before judging without haven't played on 762 since the release of 2.4, you should join the server and see how "terrible" and "bad" it is on 762. ;)
If you indeed have organized and gotten rid of the "bad apples" from 2.3 days, I will definitely give the 762 a try - as soon as it starts to support the official ranking system ;)
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So before judging without haven't played on 762 since the release of 2.4, you should join the server and see how "terrible" and "bad" it is on 762. ;)
If you indeed have organized and gotten rid of the "bad apples" from 2.3 days, I will definitely give the 762 a try - as soon as it starts to support the official ranking system ;)
This is something, you won't see. Most people don't understand, that 762 Ranking is not only for Forgotten Hope. It provides Ranking for nearly every big BF2 mod since 2008. There are included PoE, EoD, PR, FH and OPK. So that would mean, that there work is useless anymore. Please try to understand this.
And for the good sake: I join the 762 server (also others, don't worry), because I have a very good gaming experience there and not for the awards. When will people understand, that the main value of this mod are not the shiny little stars? They are a nice addon, but not the sense of the game. So really hope to see you on the servers for good fun.
And you could be sure, that there is mostly a responsible admin around. There is not much space for "bad apples" or how you call them. I had some nice rounds yesterday with some nice people and good gameplay. ;)
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But the work they have done IS useless now. Try to understand this.
I was a good boy who used to play on 762 back in the day, mainly due it was the only place where I could play outside our testing sessions. So naturally I didnt give two shits about their system back then as I am not a stats-prostitute, nevertheless I had very good games on 762 in several occasions. So my gaming experience there mixed with both good and bad, despite the fact that the server had their awards system as that fact didnt move me either way.
Now with 2.4 I see 762 as a stubborn part of this fair community who refuses to play by the mod's rules. Instead they sport their own style. If we had thousands and thousands of players, I wouldnt mind this since thats usually the case on many games that have loads of players. Since our community is small, I would much rather see unity in the subject of awards rather than have 762's in their own league and Official's in theirs. Right now the situation is in a stalemate. We cannot join together hand to hand just because the other player next to you might be "one of them".
And while I still dont play FH2 just so I could have jpg's added to my players profile, I play it because it is a great mod, I do think that it would benefit everyone if all of us had the same playground. Then we'd possibly have more player options in regards of servers. How I've understood this, and please do correct me if Im wrong, that the community is split into two just because of two systems. Players who like their shiny in 762 are waiting in line for their servers and players who have their shinies in official ranking are waiting in line for HSLAN. With just one system, people could just pick a server that has ranks on and join that instead of waiting for a spot that might never come.
If I have to pick a server, its either a server that runs official stats or none at all. To me false "bling" doesnt mean anything, even less than the official does.
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^Yep, what Flippy said^
Im sure everyone who plays on 762 because of those "stats" would agree that DICE made a mistake by releasing booster-packs, thus splitting up the community:
-wanna play BF2?
-yea, awesome
join Multiplay.co.uk#3
- OK!
-,,,,,,,,,,?? cant join, missing map??
-uh.. you dont have armor fury..?
-duh...no?)
Well, they packed all that in to 1.5 and therefor unified the community & players. I personally, usually wait for hslan to let me in, even though I see one of the 762 is at 50/64 Im sure the opposite happens when 762 is 64/64 but hslan has 53/64
Just abolish the old stats, hop on the FH2 train and let's have fun together :)
Promise from me: after 2 weeks, the old stats will be forgotten, and everyone will be in synch with the official players.
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Please please drop the 762 system, atm HSLAN and one 762 server are felt. I dont join 762 since its not the official system and for nostalgic reasons, and its %^*( annoying having to wait for a spot in one server because the other lives its own rules without hearing the gods.
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I can only repeat myself: Help fill another Server!
I hate walking alone...
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Question, do static machine guns count as a machine gun kill?
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Yes they do.
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But the work they have done IS useless now. Try to understand this.
I was a good boy who used to play on 762 back in the day, mainly due it was the only place where I could play outside our testing sessions. So naturally I didnt give two shits about their system back then as I am not a stats-prostitute, nevertheless I had very good games on 762 in several occasions. So my gaming experience there mixed with both good and bad, despite the fact that the server had their awards system as that fact didnt move me either way.
Now with 2.4 I see 762 as a stubborn part of this fair community who refuses to play by the mod's rules. Instead they sport their own style. If we had thousands and thousands of players, I wouldnt mind this since thats usually the case on many games that have loads of players. Since our community is small, I would much rather see unity in the subject of awards rather than have 762's in their own league and Official's in theirs. Right now the situation is in a stalemate. We cannot join together hand to hand just because the other player next to you might be "one of them".
And while I still dont play FH2 just so I could have jpg's added to my players profile, I play it because it is a great mod, I do think that it would benefit everyone if all of us had the same playground. Then we'd possibly have more player options in regards of servers. How I've understood this, and please do correct me if Im wrong, that the community is split into two just because of two systems. Players who like their shiny in 762 are waiting in line for their servers and players who have their shinies in official ranking are waiting in line for HSLAN. With just one system, people could just pick a server that has ranks on and join that instead of waiting for a spot that might never come.
If I have to pick a server, its either a server that runs official stats or none at all. To me false "bling" doesnt mean anything, even less than the official does.
Are Ranking systems more important for you, than playing with some people on a server and have a good time with teamwork and good gameplay? When I read your posts, I get to the conclusion, that this is the case for you. And what's about the problem with having two ranking system, if working together dosn't work? We had this before 2.4 (in this case there were ranked 762 servers and unranked servers) and it worked well. So now we have two ranking systems and it also works good - people are just playing and having fun. If you wouldn't be too proud, you would see, that I am not advertising for the 762-ranking. I am advertising for the good gameplay on their servers and the good work they are doing - they provided servers for over 41000 players. It is equal to me, whether it is official ranked or 762. And to call someones work as "stubborn" or "useless" is not a sign of strength -> this is "stubborn" and "useless". They set up a lot of servers for the modding community of BF2, they pay alot of money for it and spent alot of time to keep the servers clean. I don't see the point, where it is "stubborn" or "useless" - otherwise you have to explain it and not just say: "it is stubborn, useless or stupid". Most people just want to play the mod - I am one of them. The ranking system dosn't matter - we play all the same mod for the fun and good experiences that are provided by it. You split the community in an artificial way by insulting other peoples work. You create problems, where no problems are. Leave it, as it is atm and you will see - people will still keep on playing the game. You could remove both award systems and you will see - people will still play the mod. Same when you have only one system.
When I started to play FH2, there wasn't any discussion, who has a true ranking system or not. It was just about playing the game. Its is point I like about Battlefield and the mods, that were made out of it. And it is a reason, why I hate most of the new games. Every modern game needs a ranking system to pretend any depth - every racing game, every shooter or whatever. And if you are honest, the games aren't getting better (without some exclusions). Compare Half Life 1 with any other modern FPS and you will see, it offers more possibilties and depth, than you can find in the SP of BC2 or CoD games or Bulletstorm. It is not just about run and gun. If FH2 turns into a game, that wants to be one these "Nextgen"games, I have my doubts, that I will play it in the future - because atm it has more depth and complexity than any other commercial FPS and offers alot of fun in the same moment - it is just unique. I am really looking forward to see the eastern front and the content of the French Hope community - THESE ARE THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS AND NOT A COMPARISON OF RANKING SYSTEMS - I think I speak for most of the players. ;)
Have a good day
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Also, if ranks are not that important, why isn't 762 just moving over to the official ranking system? I think they DO find their own system more important, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion.
And just to make things clear: I really appreciate communities, small and large, who provide servers for the mod so players can enjoy playing it. But I'd rather have two servers less with all remaining servers supporting the official rankings than the current situation, because it is confusing as hell for new players, and I'd hate to see them leave the mod because of it. Because I think not every new player thinks like you, shitmaker, and maybe those new players DO like the awards system or play the mod just for that.
I just can't make myself believe 762 servers aren't changing stats system because of other reasons than that they think their system is superior in some way (or they don't wanna hurt the players who have collected all gold medals already).
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Oh come on Shitmaker, now you are calling the "Mimimi....I won't play this if you keep on" card? ;D
I've seen better tries at trolling Flippy. ;)
Then you don't understand my post. I know, that it is quiet equal for the devs, whether I am playing the mod or not. It is just an explaination, how I think about it and not kind of blackmail. I don't want to troll anybody. But insluting someone for the work (call it useless), they did for the community (not only FH2, also other mods) and call the guys, who are working on the 762 project stubborn, is not a strong argument.
Its is so childish to say something like: "I won't join the 762 server, because they have ranking system XYZ, although I have to say, that the gameplay experience and teamplay is good on their server and they keep away TK and trolls on a very effective way"
If you don't get, what I mean, I can't help you anymore. And if you are honest, you want to have these experiences, when you join a server.
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Also, if ranks are not that important, why isn't 762 just moving over to the official ranking system? I think they DO find their own system more important, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion.
And just to make things clear: I really appreciate communities, small and large, who provide servers for the mod so players can enjoy playing it. But I'd rather have two servers less with all remaining servers supporting the official rankings than the current situation, because it is confusing as hell for new players, and I'd hate to see them leave the mod because of it. Because I think not every new player thinks like you, shitmaker, and maybe those new players DO like the awards system or play the mod just for that.
I just can't make myself believe 762 servers aren't changing stats system because of other reasons than that they think their system is superior in some way (or they don't wanna hurt the players who have collected all gold medals already).
Read my post #161, then you get it and you may understand, why they don't change their ranking system. It is not just for FH2.
Maybe you should take a look at their website to see the problem: http://www.762-ranking.de/
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Read my post #161, then you get it and you may understand, why they don't change their ranking system. It is not just for FH2.
So I am right, they DO think their own system is more important.
How about 762 changes it's stats system just for FH2 and keeps their own system for the other mods? I can't imagine that it would be conflicting in any way.
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Would most likely be the best option to deny server files from 762 then.
8)
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Read my post #161, then you get it and you may understand, why they don't change their ranking system. It is not just for FH2.
So I am right, they DO think their own system is more important.
How about 762 changes it's stats system just for FH2 and keeps their own system for the other mods? I can't imagine that it would be conflicting in any way.
Why should they change. It works quiet well - If the FH2 devs would work with the 762 guys, there would be more improvements in a more effective way. I am not a fan of these kind of "who has a bigger dick"-debates (sorry for bad language), and I am just not that much interessted in both ranking systems - I am not one of the 762 guys, I just play with some of them. The only problem I have, is that some people in this forum, people who should know it better, calling other people stubborn and their work useless. As far as I know, offered the 762 guys their help to the FH2 devs, but there wasn't the willingness to cooperate. I don't argue for their ranking system, I argue for the work they are doing and did in the past for the whole BF2 mod community - you all included. They do it for dedication and don't demand any money for it and it is not just about the ranking system. If you can't see this, it is not my problem. And to the ranking system: I also played on official ranked servers and I have a quiet neutral view about the situation: I have to say, that the 762 ranking works better and the official ranking is more bugged atm. Why should they change it - I don't see the point. Would you take a tent, if you can have a house, that you build with your own ideas? Just for the reason, that everybody has the same tent? And don't come with something like: "I like camping more, than having a roof over my head". ;D
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people still whining about one ranking system or another? people not joining a server because it doesnt have a ranking system?
something told me this day wasnt far :P.
just joing the server that is not full, problem solved ;), you play to have fun right? what does some pixels in a profile page have to do with fun?
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people still whining about one ranking system or another? people not joining a server because it doesnt have a ranking system?
something told me this day want far :P.
just joing the server that is not full, problem solved ;), you play to have fun right? what does some pixels in a profile page have to do with fun?
You got it!
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Why should they change. It works quiet well
Eehm, no. I disagree. It doesn't work well when I get a Kreta armband on Bastogne playing as an American. Or when I get my artillery bronze after having killed 60 guys in one round. Also, it is way easier to get certain awards in the 762 system (that is why there are so many golden medal awardees).
If the FH2 devs would work with the 762 guys, there would be more improvements in a more effective way. I am not a fan of these kind of "who has a bigger dick"-debates (sorry for bad language), and I am just not that much interessted in both ranking systems
I'm not a fan of those debates either. I'm not sure if this is such a debate. What I would like, is unity in the FH2 community, and right now, the 762 awards are splitting it instead of uniting it. Of course there are players like you, but the majority is not playing somewhere else because they are afraid to lose their awards (the many golden awardees).
The only problem I have, is that some people in this forum, people who should know it better, calling other people stubborn and their work useless. As far as I know, offered the 762 guys their help to the FH2 devs, but there wasn't the willingness to cooperate.
Yes, and as far as I know, the devs were OK with 762 making their own ranking system as long as there wasn't an official one. Now that there is an official one, they refuse to give up their system, while it was part of the agreement afaik.
I don't argue for their ranking system, I argue for the work they are doing and did in the past for the whole BF2 mod community - you all included. They do it for dedication and don't demand any money for it and it is not just about the ranking system. If you can't see this, it is not my problem.
I see that, but like I said above, I think the majority DOES it for their ranking system.
And to the ranking system: I also played on official ranked servers and I have a quiet neutral view about the situation: I have to say, that the 762 ranking works better and the official ranking is more bugged atm. Why should they change it - I don't see the point. Would you take a tent, if you can have a house, that you build with your own ideas? Just for the reason, that everybody has the same tent? And don't come with something like: "I like camping more, than having a roof over my head". ;D
Like above, 762 is not less bugged, I'd say it is more bugged.
Also, let me give you a comparison too. Maybe you know that when WWII was going on, a lot of stuff became rare, like coffee. So people made surrogate coffee and drank that. It replaced coffee during the time of the war. People were OK with it to drink it. As soon as the war ended however, they changed to real coffee, as they could buy it again. Would you keep drinking surrogate coffee instead of the real thing? And don't come with something like: "I like tea more". ;D
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in 762 server you got kicked for PIATing enemy infantry, or in general, pwning the other team with admins too hard. (Elite players try registering for a new account name and just go for kill spree, like killing the same admin 10 times, you'll be kicked in no time) You just got kicked for a very minor reason (like an accidental TK) due to that.
That is why I tends not like to play on the 762 server. Man, it is just not fair to expect me running around with my pistol on when hunting for tanks - actually the whole kicking thing is just the 762 admins don't want to be pwned.
There shouldn't be two ranking system and 762 have to dump their own ranking system.
And sorry I feel better to be on a ranking server because I could track what I did in my games, the awards things kind of remember you whether you spend enough time playing the American team or you probably want to try out of LMG not just to use rifle. And the medals would help reminding your "sweet moments" of epic ownage of the other team.
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Why should they change. It works quiet well
Eehm, no. I disagree. It doesn't work well when I get a Kreta armband on Bastogne playing as an American. Or when I get my artillery bronze after having killed 60 guys in one round. Also, it is way easier to get certain awards in the 762 system (that is why there are so many golden medal awardees).
If the FH2 devs would work with the 762 guys, there would be more improvements in a more effective way. I am not a fan of these kind of "who has a bigger dick"-debates (sorry for bad language), and I am just not that much interessted in both ranking systems
I'm not a fan of those debates either. I'm not sure if this is such a debate. What I would like, is unity in the FH2 community, and right now, the 762 awards are splitting it instead of uniting it. Of course there are players like you, but the majority is not playing somewhere else because they are afraid to lose their awards (the many golden awardees).
The only problem I have, is that some people in this forum, people who should know it better, calling other people stubborn and their work useless. As far as I know, offered the 762 guys their help to the FH2 devs, but there wasn't the willingness to cooperate.
Yes, and as far as I know, the devs were OK with 762 making their own ranking system as long as there wasn't an official one. Now that there is an official one, they refuse to give up their system, while it was part of the agreement afaik.
I don't argue for their ranking system, I argue for the work they are doing and did in the past for the whole BF2 mod community - you all included. They do it for dedication and don't demand any money for it and it is not just about the ranking system. If you can't see this, it is not my problem.
I see that, but like I said above, I think the majority DOES it for their ranking system.
And to the ranking system: I also played on official ranked servers and I have a quiet neutral view about the situation: I have to say, that the 762 ranking works better and the official ranking is more bugged atm. Why should they change it - I don't see the point. Would you take a tent, if you can have a house, that you build with your own ideas? Just for the reason, that everybody has the same tent? And don't come with something like: "I like camping more, than having a roof over my head". ;D
Like above, 762 is not less bugged, I'd say it is more bugged.
Also, let me give you a comparison too. Maybe you know that when WWII was going on, a lot of stuff became rare, like coffee. So people made surrogate coffee and drank that. It replaced coffee during the time of the war. People were OK with it to drink it. As soon as the war ended however, they changed to real coffee, as they could buy it again. Would you keep drinking surrogate coffee instead of the real thing? And don't come with something like: "I like tea more". ;D
I don't want to make a statement on all of you answers but some.
1. Why are they splitting the community? You just say it. I can't see a splitted community. I played on different servers, and I had good and bad rounds, no matter what ranking system. We all play the same mod. We weren't a splitted community before 2.4 and we aren't a splitted community now.
2. To compare the different problems of the Ranking system, is not a point, I wanted to go too much into detail. I can only say "Kreta-Armband" and Pattern. It is a senseless discussion (and in deed a "who has a bigger dick"-discussion). It also my own experience and as I mentioned, I am simply not that much interessted i both ranking systems.
3. Why are more people playing on 762 servers? Ofcourse you might think, that their ranking system attracts more people. But why is it, like it is? Is it, because the official ranking system works better? I for one simply think, that the most players simply enjoy their time on the server. I don't think, that people go after every round they played into the 762 stats forum to watch their rank and get a boner or hiding under their table.
To get to conclussion: I simply don't like the kind of arguing of some people in this forum, who claim to be the overlords of professionality. You can make advertising for your ranking systems, yes, you should make it and I appreciate it. But you can make it in a kindly way and not call other people, who spent a lot of time and money to make it possible for a lot of people to play YOUR great mod, stubborn or their work useless. That is just not professional. Simply make advertising for your ranking system or whatever, but just don't say in the same sentence, that 762 servers are "shit" and that there only playing "dickheads" or that their ranking is "false bling bling". The 762 ranking has got not more value for the mod than the "official ranking" and the other way around. Just leave both systems next to each other: and I promisse, it will work. ;)
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in 762 server you got kicked for PIATing enemy infantry, or in general, pwning the other team with admins too hard. You just got kicked for a very minor reason (like an accidental TK) due to that.
That is why I tends not like to play on the 762 server. Man, it is just not fair to expect me running around with my pistol on when hunting for tanks - actually the whole kicking thing is just the 762 admins don't want to be pwned.
There shouldn't be two ranking system and 762 have to dump their own ranking system.
And sorry I feel better to be on a ranking server because I could track what I did in my games, the awards things kind of remember you whether you spend enough time playing the American team or you probably want to try out of LMG not just to use rifle. And the medals would help reminding your "sweet moments" of epic ownage of the other team.
Did you really play on 762 since FH 2.4 is out? You can use as much AT weapons on inf as you want. You don't get kicked for accidently TK, since it happens in this mod very often. You only get kicked for teamkill on purpose and for racism and things connected to national socialism. Same for attacking uncaps/unless with plane. They rules are there, and to my mind not too strict, as on any other server. I for one didn't have any problems with getting kicked or banned on any server. Maybe you did something like the things above. They don't kick without a reason ... and without a proof. If you have a problem with this you can contact them in their forum.
But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
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But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
Isn't there a lot of reasons mentioned on this thread? Having only one ranking system has it's obovious benefits for starters...
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in 762 server you got kicked for PIATing enemy infantry, or in general, pwning the other team with admins too hard. You just got kicked for a very minor reason (like an accidental TK) due to that.
That is why I tends not like to play on the 762 server. Man, it is just not fair to expect me running around with my pistol on when hunting for tanks - actually the whole kicking thing is just the 762 admins don't want to be pwned.
There shouldn't be two ranking system and 762 have to dump their own ranking system.
And sorry I feel better to be on a ranking server because I could track what I did in my games, the awards things kind of remember you whether you spend enough time playing the American team or you probably want to try out of LMG not just to use rifle. And the medals would help reminding your "sweet moments" of epic ownage of the other team.
Did you really play on 762 since FH 2.4 is out? You can use as much AT weapons on inf as you want. You don't get kicked for accidently TK, since it happens in this mod very often. You only get kicked for teamkill on purpose and for racism and things connected to national socialism. Same for attacking uncaps/unless with plane. They rules are there, and to my mind not too strict, as on any other server. I for one didn't have any problems with getting kicked or banned on any server. Maybe you did something like the things above. They don't kick without a reason ... and without a proof. If you have a problem with this you can contact them in their forum.
But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
my experience is based on 2.3, I once got kicked immediately for just one mortar misfire out of like 10+ enemy kills (a good contribution to the team). I said "sorry" immediately still got kicked.
I was warned several times and kicked like twice for using PIAT to kill infantry. I end up not using the PIAT at all - takes away one fun from me.
So my general impression is that you cannot kill an admin too many times in 762 you're just risking to get kicked. They'll invent all sorts of reason.
Back to topic, it is hard to convince a 762 fanboy to abandon their ranking because they have such an awesome stat on it already, and in a democratic, capitalist society you just cannot expect a certain group of people to give up their things for a greater good of the community.
But, uniformity and consistency is important for the mod - some new players jump into 762 just not able to find their ranking on the official ranking system. We FH2 die-hards know that these are TWO systems but it'd be quite confusing at first for a new player (eventually they'll learn, but some might be frustrated and leave the mod, losing one potential player)
The whole ranking system is not only to allow FH2 players to "compete" with each other, to self-assess their own performance, it most important helps to increase our player-base which is desperately needed.
The dark side is that the current 762 players lose all their medals and kills, but the bright side is that the 762 server would be more popular among a certain group of people who prefer the official ranking (like people who have lower ping to 762 and higher ping to HSLAN, such as me myself). And the long-term bright side is that finally 762 got a ranking system that is official, and in my opinion, using the more polished ranking system, would serve players better. (so earning maybe the Crete Armband is really an achievement!) The 762 staffs could also retire from the busy work of updating the ranking system which should be some tedious work.
However, it is still your own choice whether you want to look at the bright side or the dark side. We cannot force anything upon you guys. But be reminded, the later you adopt the official ranking, the more your official stats will be lagging behind (and more chance players would rage-quit FH2 losing all their stats) :-\ An early switch is always a better switch.
You are not "surrendering" to our pressure by making a change - you just are doing the right thing for your precious players. A server who cares for their players is always a good server.
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Did you really play on 762 since FH 2.4 is out? You can use as much AT weapons on inf as you want. You don't get kicked for accidently TK, since it happens in this mod very often. You only get kicked for teamkill on purpose and for racism and things connected to national socialism. Same for attacking uncaps/unless with plane. They rules are there, and to my mind not too strict, as on any other server. I for one didn't have any problems with getting kicked or banned on any server. Maybe you did something like the things above. They don't kick without a reason ... and without a proof. If you have a problem with this you can contact them in their forum.
But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
Well, in 2.3 times i was kicked from 762 for attacking mainbase/uncap WITH PLANE and I also couldn't stand massive amount of smacktards there. Havn't played it since 2.4 and not going to for sure as they fucked up hard so many times then... There are other servers which need to be filled up!
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But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
Isn't there a lot of reasons mentioned on this thread? Having only one ranking system has it's obovious benefits for starters...
Aha. What are these reasons? 762 is shit, the creators of 762 are stubborn and their work is useless? And why it is a obovius benefit for new players? And now you have to explain me, that new players are confused by different ranking systems and will leave the mod/game because of this point. Anyone, who has got a brain, can ask in chat ingame or in the forum - as I see, most people do this. Or simply use google. But that seems to be too hard for some guys here. We aren't speaking about bots, we speak about humans, who should be able to think a littlebit.
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I've read through most of this thread and gotten a very good jist of what's going on... I gotta agree with pretty much everyone except the 762 guys here. It's bad for FH2 to be having a rift like this... the only thing we're hurting here is the player base, and that's what FH2 needs the most. :(
Back to topic, it is hard to convince a 762 fanboy to abandon their ranking because they have such an awesome stat on it already, and in a democratic, capitalist society you just cannot expect a certain group of people to give up their things for a greater good of the community.
But, uniformity and consistency is important for the mod - some new players jump into 762 just not able to find their ranking on the official ranking system. We FH2 die-hards know that these are TWO systems but it'd be quite confusing at first for a new player (eventually they'll learn, but some might be frustrated and leave the mod, losing one potential player)
The whole ranking system is not only to allow FH2 players to "compete" with each other, to self-assess their own performance, it most important helps to increase our player-base which is desperately needed.
The dark side is that the current 762 players lose all their medals and kills, but the bright side is that the 762 server would be more popular among a certain group of people who prefer the official ranking (like people who have lower ping to 762 and higher ping to HSLAN, such as me myself). And the long-term bright side is that finally 762 got a ranking system that is official, and in my opinion, using the more polished ranking system, would serve players better. (so earning maybe the Crete Armband is really an achievement!) The 762 staffs could also retire from the busy work of updating the ranking system which should be some tedious work.
However, it is still your own choice whether you want to look at the bright side or the dark side. We cannot force anything upon you guys. But be reminded, the later you adopt the official ranking, the more your official stats will be lagging behind (and more chance players would rage-quit FH2 losing all their stats) :-\ An early switch is always a better switch.
You are not "surrendering" to our pressure by making a change - you just are doing the right thing for your precious players. A server who cares for their players is always a good server.
Sensible Post makes sense...
And so if you can't see all of the good reasons put forth in this thread then I guess there's just no helping it sadly.
Would most likely be the best option to deny server files from 762 then.
sadly ^this wouldn't be a bad idea as a last resort i think...
hope it doesn't come to that tho. i hope the 762 admins come to their senses and hop on the FH2 awards train. we need more players and more servers to support them
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Did you really play on 762 since FH 2.4 is out? You can use as much AT weapons on inf as you want. You don't get kicked for accidently TK, since it happens in this mod very often. You only get kicked for teamkill on purpose and for racism and things connected to national socialism. Same for attacking uncaps/unless with plane. They rules are there, and to my mind not too strict, as on any other server. I for one didn't have any problems with getting kicked or banned on any server. Maybe you did something like the things above. They don't kick without a reason ... and without a proof. If you have a problem with this you can contact them in their forum.
But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
Well, in 2.3 times i was kicked from 762 for attacking mainbase/uncap WITH PLANE and I also couldn't stand massive amount of smacktards there. Havn't played it since 2.4 and not going to for sure as they fucked up hard so many times then... There are other servers which need to be filled up!
All of you guys haven't played since 2.4 as I could read in your comments. Why don't you join the server and see how terrible it is? Otherwise don't judge about something, you simply don't know. And I am not a 762 fanboy. I only play with some of them on the server - it is a mixture of 762 guys and regular players. I am my own master and don't need to be a fanboy as you seem to be General_Henry. Would you have read my posts, you would get, what I am talking about. You simply speak the same nonsense as some other people in this forum, who haven't even played a round on 762 since 2.4 is out - but why do you state a comment? Just for the comment itself?
Everybody was talking about, how bad Sidi Rezegh was on the last gamenight. Now people get banned for Teamkill on purpose, shooting in Uncaps leads also to kick, same as fighting commander and using of racism and this stuff on 762. These are the same rules, as on any other server - the difference is, that there is nearly everytime a admin, who kicks or banns these dickheads. And now you want to tell me, that the gameplay and server is bad, also when I say that it isn't - I simply have a comparison between the different servers. I played on the russian, french, feierabend-sever and hslan aswell. And you tell me, that I have to be convinced?! I am only convinced, that I play on servers, where it is fun to play.
I am not a "fanboy" of any ranking system and I am nor arguing for one of them. I just tried to explain, that the kind of advertising, that is offered by some of the FH2 devs and Betatesters is below the belt. With this kind of advertising you don't get votes, if you are a politician. The same for this mod. And what I said, why 762 guys don't change their system, is just my own intention of the situation. I am simply not in the postition and simply not involved in their project to make desicion or statement for them. IT IS ALL MY OWN OPINION: SOME PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND ALWAYS COME WITH FALSE PROPAGANDA. So now join the server and give a feedback, how terrible it was. If you like, I join with you to make it easier for you to stay through this hell of a terrible server ;D
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762 sucked before 2.4 + now they don't have official ranking. Why i should join? What's different now except empty slots? The brand must be earned...
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I shall go argue with my cat. I think I get more intellectual conversation with it.
My cat:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/ajappat/Iinesistuu.jpg)
:-X
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nice cat. do you have any actual pics? it's 2007 on that photo, how old is he? :D
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I've read through most of this thread and gotten a very good jist of what's going on... I gotta agree with pretty much everyone except the 762 guys here. It's bad for FH2 to be having a rift like this... the only thing we're hurting here is the player base, and that's what FH2 needs the most. :(
Back to topic, it is hard to convince a 762 fanboy to abandon their ranking because they have such an awesome stat on it already, and in a democratic, capitalist society you just cannot expect a certain group of people to give up their things for a greater good of the community.
But, uniformity and consistency is important for the mod - some new players jump into 762 just not able to find their ranking on the official ranking system. We FH2 die-hards know that these are TWO systems but it'd be quite confusing at first for a new player (eventually they'll learn, but some might be frustrated and leave the mod, losing one potential player)
The whole ranking system is not only to allow FH2 players to "compete" with each other, to self-assess their own performance, it most important helps to increase our player-base which is desperately needed.
The dark side is that the current 762 players lose all their medals and kills, but the bright side is that the 762 server would be more popular among a certain group of people who prefer the official ranking (like people who have lower ping to 762 and higher ping to HSLAN, such as me myself). And the long-term bright side is that finally 762 got a ranking system that is official, and in my opinion, using the more polished ranking system, would serve players better. (so earning maybe the Crete Armband is really an achievement!) The 762 staffs could also retire from the busy work of updating the ranking system which should be some tedious work.
However, it is still your own choice whether you want to look at the bright side or the dark side. We cannot force anything upon you guys. But be reminded, the later you adopt the official ranking, the more your official stats will be lagging behind (and more chance players would rage-quit FH2 losing all their stats) :-\ An early switch is always a better switch.
You are not "surrendering" to our pressure by making a change - you just are doing the right thing for your precious players. A server who cares for their players is always a good server.
Sensible Post makes sense...
And so if you can't see all of the good reasons put forth in this thread then I guess there's just no helping it sadly.
Would most likely be the best option to deny server files from 762 then.
sadly ^this wouldn't be a bad idea as a last resort i think...
hope it doesn't come to that tho. i hope the 762 admins come to their senses and hop on the FH2 awards train. we need more players and more servers to support them
How can you call this a sensible post? A post of a guy, who only can see one side of the medal and isn't even in the situation to judge about the topic, I mentioned in my posts. I will say it one more time: I played on nearly every server since the release of 2.4 (762 ranking or not, doesn't matter to me) and I have to say, that I get the best experience on 762 and that the server isn't evil and that the admins care for their players with their time, work and money. So if you guys can start to give strong arguments, instead of things you read from officials or moderators, that were really strong arguments (again: "stubborn", "useless", "false bling bling"), I maybe could follow you. But atm I don't have a clue, why their server and ranking system is better or worse, than the official one/servers that support official ranking. To say, that it is the way as it is, isn't an argument, it is thesis, that have to be well documented with pros and cons and not only with "this is shit and this is shit" nor by insulting other peoples hard work nor by empty suspicions. Do you see a 762 guy insulting the work of the Devs in this forum? The answer is no. So now start to think a littlebit, but please not too much, it might could hurt. ;D
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a bit of advice for the others...
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762 sucked before 2.4 + now they don't have official ranking. Why i should join? What's different now except empty slots? The brand must be earned...
I have to say: extremly strong argument. :o
Maybe you can join a server because you can have fun there. Have you thougth about this possibility? But, oooohhhhhhhhh, I forgott, without the official ranking I am not able to play the game.
Edit: And to leave a discussion only shows, that you don't have an argument. Try harder, I am listening very well.
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still its a sad thing that the 762 admins split the fh2 community ... i joined there by accident last week and i saw player names ive never seen before or not since 2.4 was released. fact is: we have 2 groups atm, of course some people are going to the 762-servers and to hslan and ebf, but most just stay in 1 of these groups.
i for myself dont join 762 any longer. community splitting and "that special player on 762" just ruin it for me.
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You are very close minded.
My reasons for not joining 762:
1. The admins that I have encountered in the times I played, did not listen to player complaints most of the time, if they did listen, they did not do investigative work. Judging only on one side of the story and brining punishment for just that.
2. No PIAT killing infantry,
Maybe you can join a server because you can have fun there. Have you thougth about this possibility?
Edit: And to leave a discussion only shows, that you don't have an argument. Try harder, I am listening very well.
If you are going to listen, now would be the time.
I enjoy killing infantry with the AT weapons, its the only chance AT infantry have at long range firefights. Pistol is only good to 15/30 or so meters, AT weapon goes alot farther.
How am I supposed to kill a camping tank if I can't get into an effective range due to infantry with rifles?
The answer, I cannot with a pistol. I get a fighting chance with an AT weapon.
If I can't get a fighting chance, then that is a -1 for no fun.
As you said,
Maybe you can join a server because you can have fun there.
I cannot have fun playing on 762 if I don't have a fighting chance when I play AT, making the AT class no fun, i.e. the only reason to join your server.
3. Little team play. When I play Fh2 on say, the WOLF community server, or the HSLAN server, I know there will be at least one person willing to play with teamwork. Maybe there will even be a teamwork squad up.
On 762, I hardly see teamwork squads, or any teamwork. Squads I join, nobody talks in VoIP. Without some teamwork, Fh2 is boring, i.e. no fun. Another reason not to join 762.
4. 762's not official rewards system. The award system that was introduced in 2.4 is the official award system, unlike 762's award system.
762's award system is based off of an early version of the award system developed by the Fh2 developer team, the 762 award system was not finished and was not meant to be used.
Why play on a server that doesn't use official rewards? I'd like to check my stats by only having to visit 1 website. See that? 1 website. Not 2.
Playing on official servers records my stats to check out down the road, like how many rifle kills I have accumulated. Not only do my stats get recorded, but I also am supporting the Fh2 developer team by using their awards system, the 2.4 awards system.
Another reason not to play on 762.
5. Inabilility to remove "PURE" and "Ranked" from the server names. If you are going to use an unofficial awards system, then I thoroughly believe you should add "Unofficial Ranked" to the server name and remove "PURE". If you are not using the official awards system, then the server is not "Pure" as falsely stated by the server's name. New players will not take the time to google questions about the difference in the official 2.4 awards system and the 762 unofficial awards system.
6. Thus far, all I've seen you post, as a representive of the 762 community, discourages me from joining a server with 762 in the title.
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I think that 762 is a great server to play on. I have never had any problems. I don't care about awards that much. It is nice to see your stats I must admit. However, with their refusal to use the real ranking system, 762 would not be my first choice to play on. It is just not cool to put pure in your server name when it is not. Not to mention the whole dividing the community thing.
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It is really impossible to make a sensible argument with you.
I am not the best players but I am really experienced in Forgotten Hope - I am here since 0.7. I know when a player would join a server and when one would leave, I know what exploit you'll use and where you'll sneak from in whatever map - likely to be much better than you are.
If you just try following my suggestions it never hurts - just try. You never know what the effect (sometimes it is really hard to see) is going to be without trying (in the proper way).
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So if you guys can start to give strong arguments, instead of things you read from officials or moderators, that were really strong arguments (again: "stubborn", "useless", "false bling bling"), I maybe could follow you. But atm I don't have a clue, why their server and ranking system is better or worse, than the official one/servers that support official ranking. To say, that it is the way as it is, isn't an argument, it is thesis, that have to be well documented with pros and cons and not only with "this is shit and this is shit" nor by insulting other peoples hard work nor by empty suspicions. Do you see a 762 guy insulting the work of the Devs in this forum? The answer is no. So now start to think a littlebit, but please not too much, it might could hurt. ;D
Holy crap I got stupider reading that...
Now you seem like a very close minded guy, so I'm in no position to expand your mind, and to be honest I don't have the time or energy to hold your hand and step by step show you where you're going wrong in understanding other peoples' arguments. (it seems near impossible after 14 or so pages of pretty clear and sensible posts that you don't seem to comprehend what people are saying).
But I will say that you should probably take a step back, re-read this thread, and realize that there is more than one person arguing against you... and they're all saying pretty much the same thing... So what's the likelihood that the multiple people making the same basic argument are all wrong, and you're right? (and ik you're not so good with comprehension so I'll let you know that yes... this is a rhetorical question)
Also... sarcasm is not your strong suit, and it's even more painful to read when the grammar is butchered
@the topic: I'd have to agree with the majority of you in saying that the pros of 762 joining the official ranking system outweigh the cons. I wish there was a way to make it happen but 'c'est la vie,' I can only hope that their decision doesn't ruin this great mod's player base.
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Do you see a 762 guy insulting the work of the Devs in this forum? The answer is no.
No, I see the 762 people using the work of the devs for their own purposes, most like without a permission.
Dun-dun-duuun
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Its not that people like other servers because of 'trikets' but because the official award system is PART of the game package. What 762 have done is removed that aspect. Play on OUR servers and you can play the cracked version... Very disrespectful, and so-o, as a FAN of FH2, to honor the work the devs did, and specifically the effort they put into the Awards system all those years to get to be now, I would ADVICE against playing on 762.
Doesn't matter if there is more teamplay there, more noobs/ smacktards - As that is opinion only, its neither here nor there. Whatr DOES matter is enjoying the full game as it was intended by its creators, and honoring them by NOT patronizing a server that steals their stuff and doesn;t care to stop.
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Read my post #161, then you get it and you may understand, why they don't change their ranking system. It is not just for FH2.
Maybe you should take a look at their website to see the problem: http://www.762-ranking.de/
There's 4 mods listed, and I'd be surprised if anyone was still playing OPK or POE.
...But you have to give me a reason, why 762 should remove their ranking?
Simple, because it's unofficial.
...Do you see a 762 guy insulting the work of the Devs in this forum?...
Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
5hitm4k3r, you certainly make a lot of noise for someone who claims not to care... ;D
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I'd say there's a quite simple solution to this... 762 can keep their stats system if they remove the "RANKED" and "PURE" tags from their server name, and add something like "unofficial ranking"... It's not the prettiest solution I know but at least newcomers will have better chances of realizing which servers run official and which run unofficial version of the awards.
That way the 762 guys can keep their old "bling bling" and the newcomers will be less confused about this situation.
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I'd say there's a quite simple solution to this... 762 can keep their stats system if they remove the "RANKED" and "PURE" tags from their server name, and add something like "unofficial ranking"... It's not the prettiest solution I know but at least newcomers will have better chances of realizing which servers run official and which run unofficial version of the awards.
That way the 762 guys can keep their old "bling bling" and the newcomers will be less confused about this situation.
Ah, but this is it, isn't it. Its not THEIR bling bling. The whole thing is a stolen hacked version of the FH2 ranking that came out well before the Devs had completed it (I think it was in the Server files), and because of this, it benefited from feedback of players etc, to become what some believe to be a better stats system (Personally, I disagree. It should take more work to earn an award but whatever)..
So I don't think the solution is just moving on and branding it differently. its like a movie company allowing a guy who sells bootleg movies from a truck outside thier studio to continue to do so, just changing the titles of the movies.
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...but this is it, isn't it. Its not THEIR bling bling. The whole thing is a stolen hacked version of the FH2 ranking that came out well before the Devs had completed it (I think it was in the Server files), ...
Just a dangerous half knowledge ...
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...but this is it, isn't it. Its not THEIR bling bling. The whole thing is a stolen hacked version of the FH2 ranking that came out well before the Devs had completed it (I think it was in the Server files), ...
Just a dangerous half knowledge ...
no matter what knowledge is that 762 got to abandon their ranking, that is it.
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people still whining about one ranking system or another? people not joining a server because it doesnt have a ranking system?
something told me this day wasnt far :P.
just joing the server that is not full, problem solved ;), you play to have fun right? what does some pixels in a profile page have to do with fun?
you honestly don't know? wow.... have you ever played any video game at all?
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still its a sad thing that the 762 admins split the fh2 community ... i joined there by accident last week and i saw player names ive never seen before or not since 2.4 was released. fact is: we have 2 groups atm, of course some people are going to the 762-servers and to hslan and ebf, but most just stay in 1 of these groups.
i for myself dont join 762 any longer. community splitting and "that special player on 762" just ruin it for me.
It is not the case, that they are spilitting the community - you are doing this, because you say without any reason: 762 servers are shit, although you didn't have played enough on the server to argue. If all of you would use your brains and join all servers, no matter what ranking they offer, than you would get the same view as me. I am not arguing for one ranking system and I am not a 762 guy. I am a neutral player, who has got more critical point of view about your claims and mostly about the claims of some of the FH2 devs. What gives the FH2 devs the right to say, our ranking is true and 762 ranking not? What gives you the right to claim your work more important, than the work of some other guys in the community? And one more time: 762 is not just about the ranking itself, it's about the fact, that they make it possible for alot of players to play the mod. They pay for the servers and they have to controll their servers. You can play the came without paying anything and still some people complain about that fact. It is a point, I simply don't get.
And @General_Henry: What does the fact, that you are a better player and seem to have a bigger dick than me with this topic? Sorry but as I stated before, I am not a fan of these kind of discussions. Maybe you are just better than me and know every angle of every map, because you played it more, what seems to be the case - and thats not something I call strenght. It is a reason, why I am mostly against ranking systems. I appreciate them, if the rest of the game works good, but I don't support them in an active way.
And @Dijinn: I see you playing alot on 762. You say, it is because of a get better ping. But is the gameplay experience any worse than on the other servers? You can have the same fun in my opinion, so they provide the same possibilities with their work and money.
And @ all who are arguing about the "Pure": It doesn't have to do anything with the ranking. It simply shows, that only official FH2 maps are in the rotation. I told you not to make empty suspicions, but you still are searching for some irrelevant points to argue against.
And@ all who arguing about AT on inf: You all argue about the times before 2.3. Your arguments might be rigth for that time. But I am arguing for what is NOW: and I cann only tell you, than you can fire a much at on inf as you want/can. Everybidy who claims something different is just not uptodate at this point.
And @ Hi: You should read my posts carefuly, before you tell me to listen. Otherwise you woudn't call me a member of the 762 community. I play on any server, not matter what rabking. I am member of the FH2 community, but I make my own dessicions concerning, where I play and whith wich people. So give some agruments, that are not just about "they hacked!".
I don't know what is so hard to understand, that they provide a good playground for the mod. But you call it shit. The problem is, that most of you people here only seem to have the ranking systems in mind. Now you call it an accident, when you join server, that offers fun, because it just runs another ranking system. In this case you are close minded. I also play on the russian server and the Feierabendserver sometimes. It is also fun. Do 762 guys call the work of the devs and the people who set up these servers "stubborn"? Look for better arguments, than repeating the same stuff, that is obivios based on suspicions and not on real knowledge everytime.
And finaly @Natty: In another thread you say, that the gameplay mechanics are more improtant than things like "false bling bling" - in this case you mentioned the graphics. So now explain me: What does the fun you can have on a server by the gameplay itself to to with any award system? An award system isn't a gameply mechanic - it is about reading statistics. That are only numbers in tables, that are boring to look at, nor aren't they necesary to play the game itself. They fun is offered by the game, by the server and by the people who are playing on the servers. These are the most important points. Because without any of this, you can't play the game. 762 provide one part of this - the servers. What is so stupid about this point? In this point you are clearly in contadiction with your own arguments.
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no Im not 5hitm4k3r, and Im too bored with this thread to explain it again.
Awards are part of the fun about playing FH2, (it is not the fun, nor is it the only fun. It's part of the fun.) and it is better and more fun for players if they have only one award system to care about.
The end.
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Jeez dude you made your point, stop crucading and let the 762 admins speak.
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And @Dijinn: I see you playing alot on 762. You say, it is because of a get better ping. But is the gameplay experience any worse than on the other servers? You can have the same fun in my opinion, so they provide the same possibilities with their work and money.
If you WANNA dispute someone's point, quote them correctly. I made it a point not to get into this discussion after my last post because its political. You can't convince the Republicans that you are right as a Democrat or viceversa.
However, let me set you straight. I DID play on 762, and on nights that HSLAN or other servers are either too empty or totally full, I might - I never spoke of PING at ANY time. But I dread the choice I make to play on it going in, because part of the game FH2 is missing i.e. My awards and stats count for shit. And there is that sneaking suspicion that doing so dishonors the devs because of the controversy of 762 Stats. I add to the numbers of people and keep the server afloat when I shouldn't. It is a moral dilemma. Whenever HSLAN is active, in spite of what I think is, after 2.4, a less mature player base, I will go THERE in a heartbeat.
I actually said that 762 these days has better gameplay than HSLAN which is filled with the newer people trying to get the FH2 experience. I already said that. I have never said it was worse, because it depends on the day, NOT the server. I DID say, I disapprove, and I have been constant in that.
So please, if you MUST strengthen you argument, disputer an argument you don't HAVE to warp and twist to suit yours.
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It is not the case, that they are spilitting the community - you are doing this, because you say without any reason: 762 servers are shit, although you didn't have played enough on the server to argue.
Invalid point. i have about 120 hours under my belt on 762 servers for roughly 2 years (you can look that up on your awesome 762 stats side). so i can assure you i have experience on that server. i just tell you its more fun on other servers - i wont go into details because i dont want my post to get deleted - but thats my and a lot of other peoples´ opinion. the ranking system makes things worse.
and yes, i think it is rude to get the mod from the developers but refuse to adopt their ranking system, even if they ask for it.
other then that Hi :| pretty much summed everything up.
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I think that all official ranked servers should have rank icon in ingame server browser just like French Community Server has... ;)
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And @Dijinn: I see you playing alot on 762. You say, it is because of a get better ping. But is the gameplay experience any worse than on the other servers? You can have the same fun in my opinion, so they provide the same possibilities with their work and money.
If you WANNA dispute someone's point, quote them correctly. I made it a point not to get into this discussion after my last post because its political. You can't convince the Republicans that you are right as a Democrat or viceversa.
However, let me set you straight. I DID play on 762, and on nights that HSLAN or other servers are either too empty or totally full, I might - I never spoke of PING at ANY time. But I dread the choice I make to play on it going in, because part of the game FH2 is missing i.e. My awards and stats count for shit. And there is that sneaking suspicion that doing so dishonors the devs because of the controversy of 762 Stats. I add to the numbers of people and keep the server afloat when I shouldn't. It is a moral dilemma. Whenever HSLAN is active, in spite of what I think is, after 2.4, a less mature player base, I will go THERE in a heartbeat.
I actually said that 762 these days has better gameplay than HSLAN which is filled with the newer people trying to get the FH2 experience. I already said that. I have never said it was worse, because it depends on the day, NOT the server. I DID say, I disapprove, and I have been constant in that.
So please, if you MUST strengthen you argument, disputer an argument you don't HAVE to warp and twist to suit yours.
Sorry if I stated that thing about the ping wrong, but I think it isn't relevant to the idea I am talking about. Why do you join back, if you don't like to play without the official ranking? Is it maybe, because the ranking isn't that much relevant for a good gameplay experience than the teamplay and experience on the server for itself for you. There are other posibilities. The russian server or the french community server or Feierabend server. I see there mostly some people playing, it wouldn't be that hard to fill the server, as DLF reporter proofed.
I have to say, that people who say, that medals and awards are a part of the gameplay experience itself don't realize, that you don't have a real feedback in gameplay or whatever. There only pops up a mesage, that you earned soemthing - there is simply no direct input for the gameplay. So why the hell is it more important for people to join a server because of ranking system XYZ, than for the sheer gameplay and fun itself nor to start insluting other people for shiny little stars and ribbons, or numbers, that are just documented on a webpage. I don't get another feeling when I look at my stats on the 762 page than on the webpage of the official ranking. Nor might I get a different gameplayexperience by watching them. Do you really feel more awesome, if you are "RAaaaaaaank UUUUUUuuuuuuup!!!!!!!!!"? Sorry but then I can't help you. Simply join your nice true ranked servers, but don't insult other people. Something like that is splitting the community - not shiny pictures on two different webpages.
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It is not the case, that they are spilitting the community - you are doing this, because you say without any reason: 762 servers are shit, although you didn't have played enough on the server to argue.
Invalid point. i have about 120 hours under my belt on 762 servers for roughly 2 years (you can look that up on your awesome 762 stats side). so i can assure you i have experience on that server. i just tell you its more fun on other servers - i wont go into details because i dont want my post to get deleted - but thats my and a lot of other peoples´ opinion. the ranking system makes things worse.
and yes, i think it is rude to get the mod from the developers but refuse to adopt their ranking system, even if they ask for it.
other then that Hi :| pretty much summed everything up.
The point isn't invalid, since I am talking about the gameplay experience on the server since 2.4. was resleased. If you really played your 120 hours since the relaese of 2.4. on the server, why did you do that? Because the experience is not so good as on any other server. I know you are talking about the time of 2.3. or earlier, where you did your 120 hours because it was not more fun to play there than on any other server - this is also a little contradiction. And I know, that you are from germany, so you had more possibilities to play the mod.
But if you would have read my posts carefuly, you might could see, that I am only talking about the time since the release of 2.4. And at this point all of you people don't have valid arguments, since most of you haven't played on 762 since the release of 2.4. So how can you judge the gameplay there. Because it was not so good in the past? Is the gameplay on hslan good, because this was the case in the past? My point about the work, they did in the past was, that they simply made it able for a lot of players to play mods for BF2 by setting up the server and paying for it. I can only say, that they do a very good job atm and that there isn't simply not a real alternative server, that offers me the same. They deserve their succes the have now. And you can't deny their success. Why don't you set up a second hslan server, if your ranking and what else is so much better? Why do you need kickstarts in this forum. Because 762 is shit?!
I for one, I am a player, who thought for a long time, that it is a matter of course, that you start the game, klick on multyplayer, find servers and join. It is a stupid idea, I know, but I am honest to you. Now I simply realized that it needs some few masterminds, who manage all these things. It is the same with Flüstertüte. They simply pay money and spend a lot of time and work on something they are dedicated to. And we - alot of players, if not all - use these possibilities for free as they were given by something else. If you call these masterminds stubborn ore something else and their work useless, than you are not in the right for playing the game on their server.
Another point: 762 was also involved with managing the 128 server. You can't deny that it is a unique and very special feeling to play on this server - the fact, that it was ful nearly everytime supports this. Nobody cared about the point, that 762 was involved. We were all simply amazed by the experience itself. Alot of people, who played the gamenight (Jan Kurator, Djinn, Flippy - only some player names) didn't make a bad statement about 762 or something else. They just played on the server. So why do you play on a server or organize a server, where 762 guys are involved, when on the other hand they are stubborn and their work (setting up your server or helping) is useless?
My statements are clear. Now commment on them and don't come with simply a comparison of ranking systems or who is a better player.
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If the devs would have slapped the 762 for stealing the FH2 awards in the first place, this pointless discussion would not exist.
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The point isn't invalid, since I am talking about the gameplay experience on the server since 2.4. was resleased. If you really played your 120 hours since the relaese of 2.4. on the server, why did you that? Because the experience is not so godd as on any other server. I know you are talking about the time of 2.3. or earlier, where you did your 120 hours because it was not more fun to play there than on any other server - this is also a little contradiction. And I know, that you are from germany, so you had more possibilities to play the mod.
But if you would have read my posts carefuly, you might could see, that I am only talking about the time since the release of 2.4. And at this point all of you people don't have valid arguments, since most of you played on 762 since the release of 762. So how can you judge the gameplay there. Because it was not so good in the past? Is the gameplay on hslan good, because this was the case in the past? My point about the work, they did in the past was, that they simply made it able for a lot of players to play mods for BF2 by setting up the server and paying for it. I can only say, that they do a very good job atm and that there isn't simply not a real alternative server, that offers me the same. They deserve their succes the have now. And you can't deny their success. Why don't you set up a second hslan server, if your ranking and what else is so much better? Why do you need kickstarts in this forum. Because 762 is shit?!
Another point: 762 was also involved with managing the 128 server. You can't deny that it is a unique and very special feeling to play on this server - the fact, that it was ful nearly everytime supports this. Nobody cared about the point, that 762 was involved. We were all simply amazed by the experience itself. Alot of people, who played the gamenight (Jan Kurator, Djinn, Flippy - only some player names) didn't make a bad statement about 762 or something else. They just played on the server. So why do you play on a server or organize a server, where 762 guys are involved, when on the other hand they are stubborn and their work (setting up your server or helping) is useless?
I tried 762 today morning and didn't see any trace of teamwork, got teamkilled on purpose for few times and a lot by so called accidents. I rather still avoid it, as I avoided 126p server becouse of 762 being involved.
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The point isn't invalid, since I am talking about the gameplay experience on the server since 2.4. was resleased. If you really played your 120 hours since the relaese of 2.4. on the server, why did you that? Because the experience is not so godd as on any other server. I know you are talking about the time of 2.3. or earlier, where you did your 120 hours because it was not more fun to play there than on any other server - this is also a little contradiction. And I know, that you are from germany, so you had more possibilities to play the mod.
But if you would have read my posts carefuly, you might could see, that I am only talking about the time since the release of 2.4. And at this point all of you people don't have valid arguments, since most of you played on 762 since the release of 762. So how can you judge the gameplay there. Because it was not so good in the past? Is the gameplay on hslan good, because this was the case in the past? My point about the work, they did in the past was, that they simply made it able for a lot of players to play mods for BF2 by setting up the server and paying for it. I can only say, that they do a very good job atm and that there isn't simply not a real alternative server, that offers me the same. They deserve their succes the have now. And you can't deny their success. Why don't you set up a second hslan server, if your ranking and what else is so much better? Why do you need kickstarts in this forum. Because 762 is shit?!
Another point: 762 was also involved with managing the 128 server. You can't deny that it is a unique and very special feeling to play on this server - the fact, that it was ful nearly everytime supports this. Nobody cared about the point, that 762 was involved. We were all simply amazed by the experience itself. Alot of people, who played the gamenight (Jan Kurator, Djinn, Flippy - only some player names) didn't make a bad statement about 762 or something else. They just played on the server. So why do you play on a server or organize a server, where 762 guys are involved, when on the other hand they are stubborn and their work (setting up your server or helping) is useless?
I tried 762 today morning and didn't see any trace of teamwork, got teamkilled on purpose for few times and a lot by so called accidents. I rather still avoid it, as I avoided 126p server becouse of 762 being involved.
Aren't there teamkills on purpose on nearly every server? Aren't there teamkills on purpose on Hslan? If you join the guys in teamspeak (most of them are germans but we also play with peoples from belgium and we all speak english, if there is somemone who can't speak german), you can have more teamwork than you might think. Btw: your point about joining a server in the morning isn't a valid argument, since most of the admins are from germany and have to work at this time. Join on a valid time, in the evening for example, or the faternoon and you will see, it is raining kicks and banns for those people. Btw: you can report TK by sending screens to the admins. Why don't you do that? These people will make TK on every server also on hslan or whatever - mostly for vehicles or just for fun. You will see, it won't take a whole day, until they got banned.
About the 128 people server: if you can say so, it is ok. But players as Jan Kurator or even Flippy, who is the mastermind behind the gamenight (and I much appreciate his efforts), cooperate with them or use their work. But on the other hand they call them stubborn? I still don't get it.
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you honestly don't know? wow.... have you ever played any video game at all?
i know i had fun in fh2, pr, bf1942,cod,WiC without having some pixels beside my nick. is ranking good, does it add more to games? sure, is it needed to have fun? no, simple as that. I think you have played way to much current games .
Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
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Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
Absolutely if they stated it to be the ranking system.
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Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
Absolutely if they stated it to be the ranking system.
And if BF2 had a limited playerbase with only 3 or 4 servers full.
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Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
Did they use their own awards and stuff or use the DICE stuff for their own profit?
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Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
Absolutely if they stated it to be the ranking system.
mmm true, if they changed their name to "privated ranking" and dropped the pure, will this silly discution about shiny .jpgs end?
btw, I still dont see how this affect the player base, there is still tons of players more than in the previus version.
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Did they use their own awards and stuff or use the DICE stuff for their own profit?
they used the same ranks, images and names that bf2 came with, they only tracked the play time on their servers, and changed some variables (times to get an award, kills to get something, etc,etc).
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And @Dijinn: I see you playing alot on 762. You say, it is because of a get better ping. But is the gameplay experience any worse than on the other servers? You can have the same fun in my opinion, so they provide the same possibilities with their work and money.
If you WANNA dispute someone's point, quote them correctly. I made it a point not to get into this discussion after my last post because its political. You can't convince the Republicans that you are right as a Democrat or viceversa.
However, let me set you straight. I DID play on 762, and on nights that HSLAN or other servers are either too empty or totally full, I might - I never spoke of PING at ANY time. But I dread the choice I make to play on it going in, because part of the game FH2 is missing i.e. My awards and stats count for shit. And there is that sneaking suspicion that doing so dishonors the devs because of the controversy of 762 Stats. I add to the numbers of people and keep the server afloat when I shouldn't. It is a moral dilemma. Whenever HSLAN is active, in spite of what I think is, after 2.4, a less mature player base, I will go THERE in a heartbeat.
I actually said that 762 these days has better gameplay than HSLAN which is filled with the newer people trying to get the FH2 experience. I already said that. I have never said it was worse, because it depends on the day, NOT the server. I DID say, I disapprove, and I have been constant in that.
So please, if you MUST strengthen you argument, disputer an argument you don't HAVE to warp and twist to suit yours.
Sorry if I stated that thing about the ping wrong, but I think it isn't relevant to the idea I am talking about. Why do you join back, if you don't like to play without the official ranking? Is it maybe, because the ranking isn't that much relevant for a good gameplay experience than the teamplay and experience on the server for itself for you. There are other posibilities. The russian server or the french community server or Feierabend server. I see there mostly some people playing, it wouldn't be that hard to fill the server, as DLF reporter proofed.
I have to say, that people who say, that medals and awards are a part of the gameplay experience itself don't realize, that you don't have a real feedback in gameplay or whatever. There only pops up a mesage, that you earned soemthing - there is simply no direct input for the gameplay. So why the hell is it more important for people to join a server because of ranking system XYZ, than for the sheer gameplay and fun itself nor to start insluting other people for shiny little stars and ribbons, or numbers, that are just documented on a webpage. I don't get another feeling when I look at my stats on the 762 page than on the webpage of the official ranking. Nor might I get a different gameplayexperience by watching them. Do you really feel more awesome, if you are "RAaaaaaaank UUUUUUuuuuuuup!!!!!!!!!"? Sorry but then I can't help you. Simply join your nice true ranked servers, but don't insult other people. Something like that is splitting the community - not shiny pictures on two different webpages.
I get to a point, I realize we're not speaking the same language - so go ahead twist my words any way it helps your argument, I wont stop you, ir even refute, but I don't know whose comment you've been reading and calling it mine. Good day sir!
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
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Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
Absolutely if they stated it to be the ranking system.
Nobody of the 762 guys stated their ranking as THE ranking. Use google and type in 762. A sentence that comes in my mind "762 - Alternate Battlefield 2 mod ranking". Whats the problem? They simply seem to have the most players in the modding community. Thats all about it.
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The point isn't invalid, since I am talking about the gameplay experience on the server since 2.4. was resleased. If you really played your 120 hours since the relaese of 2.4. on the server, why did you do that? Because the experience is not so good as on any other server. I know you are talking about the time of 2.3. or earlier, where you did your 120 hours because it was not more fun to play there than on any other server - this is also a little contradiction. And I know, that you are from germany, so you had more possibilities to play the mod.
those 120 hours were before 2.4, yes. since then mainly because of the stubborn false ranking i didnt join 762. also imagine the times before 2.4? we had 2 months or so nearly noone on hslan. the only servers full were 762 and the 126 player server. so i didnt enjoy the gameplay there to the max. as on hslan - it simply wasnt there and i had to join 762 with a heavy heart. this isnt contradictory. 120 hours arent much if you consider it was 2 years. i spent a lot more time on hslan. -762 has always been 2nd choice, now i dont join at all, maybe in case the real servers go down im forced to go there again.
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Mate, they're insulting the FH devs by not adopting the official system.
did the bf2 servers with private stats were insulting DICE for not using their ranks ?
Absolutely if they stated it to be the ranking system.
Nobody of the 762 guys stated their ranking as THE ranking. Use google and type in 762. A sentence that comes in my mind "762 - Alternate Battlefield 2 mod ranking". Whats the problem? They simply seem to have the most players in the modding community. Thats all about it.
Their awards however are virtually indiscernable fromt he official ones. New players get confused by that. They get awards on 762 and wonder why they are not showing up on the official ranking page. As I said, it is exactly the same as server side modding. the devs created an experience and now some third party is screwing with it. And just like all those africa maps with kingtigers back in Fh1 it doesn't nedessarily make Fh any better.
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Nobody of the 762 guys stated their ranking as THE ranking. Use google and type in 762. A sentence that comes in my mind "762 - Alternate Battlefield 2 mod ranking". Whats the problem? They simply seem to have the most players in the modding community. Thats all about it.
Actually their server name pretty much states that. There is no way to know it is unofficial ranking system before joining server and noticing difference by yourself.
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
If they want to do something for the mod, they should use the official ranks to avoid confusion and to avoid being server side modders.
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Nobody of the 762 guys stated their ranking as THE ranking. Use google and type in 762. A sentence that comes in my mind "762 - Alternate Battlefield 2 mod ranking". Whats the problem? They simply seem to have the most players in the modding community. Thats all about it.
Actually their server name pretty much states that. There is no way to know it is unofficial ranking system before joining server and noticing difference by yourself.
If you are able to install Battlefield 2, all of it's patches (Alt-Tab fix may be included), to get to an installation.exe for FH2, to download and install the mod, and to play the mod ---> in this case you should be able to use google, if you have any question or use the ingame chat or whatever. And as I mentioned before: I see alot of people asking about the situation, but they aren't confused, they simply want to be informed. They don't leave the server instantly, because 762 ranking is not official ranking.
People are playing your mod, more people than ever. A mod, that is in deed and in my opininion the best game out there. What else do you want? Renaming some servers, because you think, that they splitt the community?
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Nobody of the 762 guys stated their ranking as THE ranking. Use google and type in 762. A sentence that comes in my mind "762 - Alternate Battlefield 2 mod ranking". Whats the problem? They simply seem to have the most players in the modding community. Thats all about it.
Actually their server name pretty much states that. There is no way to know it is unofficial ranking system before joining server and noticing difference by yourself.
If you are able to install Battlefield 2, all of it's patches (Alt-Tab fix may be included), to get to an installation.exe for FH2, to download and install the mod, and to play the mod ---> in this case you should be able to use google, if you have any question or use the ingame chat or whatever. And as I mentioned before: I see alot of people asking about the situation, but they aren't confused, they simply want to be informed. They don't leave the server instantly, because 762 ranking is not official ranking.
People are playing your mod, more people than ever. A mod, that is in deed and in my opininion the best game out there. What else do you want? Renaming some servers, because you think, that they splitt the community?
No, a unified awards system that was designed by the developers and can be enjoyed by the players without confusion.
Seriously, name one advantage of having 2 different ranking systems with the same awards. I dare you, one advantage. There is none. The whole point of an awards system is that people can compare their stats. How does having two systems achieve that? And even if 762 ditched their ranking and used the official one, does it stop them from running their servers? Do you think players would suddenly stop playing on 762 servers just because of it? The only reason they don't want to change system is because of all the time and work they invested in it. They invested that work knowing fully well that the official awards system could be implemented in the future. This has now happened and it si time to man up and stop going rogue.
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
It's not a matter of whether or not 762 pays for their own servers, it's a matter of 762 switching to the official 2.4 awards system, now that it is finished.
The devs allowed 762 to use the unfinished award system because it was unfinished.
I.e., use it until the finished one comes out. Now the official, finished one is out, 762 should switch to it.
And honestly, are you really going to take the time to google the difference between official and unofficial awards system?
Doing a google myself, I only find results for the official rewards system. Not the 762 one.
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
If they want to do something for the mod, they should use the official ranks to avoid confusion and to avoid being server side modders.
You didn't gave a clear answer to my question: Why are they opportunists? I study economics, so at this point you can't treat me, since I know, what opportunism means. Isn't setting up the servers and paying for them not enough for the community? Same with the problem, that alot of people always demand several things from the FH2 devs. They do their work for dedication and fun and not for money. You don't have made a contract with them, so you aren't in the situation to demand anything. Other for commercial games. You buy (or don't buy) their games, because you are demanding some kind of support. If you see, that the support is not ok, you won't buy the game - there is simply no contract.
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
If they want to do something for the mod, they should use the official ranks to avoid confusion and to avoid being server side modders.
You didn't gave a clear answer to my question: Why are they opportunists? I study economics, so at this point you can't treat me, since I know, what opportunism means. Isn't setting up the servers and paying for them not enough for the community? Same with the problem, that alot of people always demand several things from the FH2 devs. They do their work for dedication and fun and not for money. You don't have made a contract with them, so you aren't in the situation to demand anything. Other for commercial games. You buy (or don't buy) their games, because you are demanding some kind of support. If you see, that the support is not ok, you won't buy the game - there is simply no contract.
They are opportunists because they use the Fh2 devs work without their consent.
But isntead of talking semantics here please answer my question form the post above: What is the advantage of having two stats systems?
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
It's not a matter of whether or not 762 pays for their own servers, it's a matter of 762 switching to the official 2.4 awards system, now that it is finished.
The devs allowed 762 to use the unfinished award system because it was unfinished.
I.e., use it until the finished one comes out. Now the official, finished one is out, 762 should switch to it.
And honestly, are you really going to take the time to google the difference between official and unofficial awards system?
Doing a google myself, I only find results for the official rewards system. Not the 762 one.
You say, that people get confused by two different award systems. Everybody, who is really interested in the subject, will find the valid answers by using simply google. So why do you tell people in this forum to use the search function (and sorry, google isn't anything different)?
Because they won't find any anwers?!
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Why should they look for any answers from google or forums or anywhere, when 762 could just adopt official system and there wouldn't be any reason to look for answers about weird situation of 2 ranking systems.
Edit: I also would like to see you answer to Ts4EVERs question....
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
It's not a matter of whether or not 762 pays for their own servers, it's a matter of 762 switching to the official 2.4 awards system, now that it is finished.
The devs allowed 762 to use the unfinished award system because it was unfinished.
I.e., use it until the finished one comes out. Now the official, finished one is out, 762 should switch to it.
And honestly, are you really going to take the time to google the difference between official and unofficial awards system?
Doing a google myself, I only find results for the official rewards system. Not the 762 one.
You say, that people get confused by two different award systems. Everybody, who is really interested in the subject, will find the valid answers by using simply google. So why do you tell people in this forum to use the search function (and sorry, google isn't anything different)?
Because they won't find any anwers?!
So when are the players supposed to use google? Before or after they get confused by getting awards that don't show up on the page? So just because 762 wants to use teh EXACT SAME awards just on a different system new players are suddenly supposed to research that stuff ont he internet?
Also, due to either selective reading or hilariously slow typing you have yet to answer the most important question, which is "What is the advantage of having two different awards system with exactly the same awards?"
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I googled everything I could to find the difference between the Official award system and the unofficial. All I could find was info on the official one. Go give it a try yourself, and don't post in this thread until you find something specifically stating the differences between the official and unofficial.
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It's the same thing like server side modding back in Fh1. The Fh2 devs developed the awards system and 762 used the icons and graphics for their own thing. The devs (being no assholes) allowed this to go on as long as their own awards weren't finished. Now that they are, the right thing to do for 762 is dropping the whole thing and limiting themselves to PoE or whatever else they are doing. Otherwise they are nothing more than thieving opportunists.
Why are they thieving opportunists? 762 guys pay for their servers to make it able ot play the mod and spend a lot of time with managing everything. They don't have any profit out of thier work. They only see, that people are requesting their support and that their work is needed and not useless.
If they want to do something for the mod, they should use the official ranks to avoid confusion and to avoid being server side modders.
You didn't gave a clear answer to my question: Why are they opportunists? I study economics, so at this point you can't treat me, since I know, what opportunism means. Isn't setting up the servers and paying for them not enough for the community? Same with the problem, that alot of people always demand several things from the FH2 devs. They do their work for dedication and fun and not for money. You don't have made a contract with them, so you aren't in the situation to demand anything. Other for commercial games. You buy (or don't buy) their games, because you are demanding some kind of support. If you see, that the support is not ok, you won't buy the game - there is simply no contract.
They are opportunists because they use the Fh2 devs work without their consent.
But isntead of talking semantics here please answer my question form the post above: What is the advantage of having two stats systems?
Than you simply don't know, what opportunism means. About your question with the two different ranking systems: I simply don't see any advantage in any ranking system. I think they are next to useless for me, although some other people can't play without them. As I said before, I appreciate them but not support them in any active way. I see your point about having everything under one roof (I think it is a bit german english but sorry), but I don't see the point, where their work is uselless? If they don't want to share their ideas and work with you or the other ay around, then they might have their reasons. Maybe they are just proud of, what they reached as the guys who are working on the official ranking? And they simply don't want to cancle their work for something, that is called the holy grail by some other people, who are working on something similar? Maybe they just want to carry on with their system, because it works for them and they have fun with it? Alot of questions, but who could know the answer. I am simply not arguing for any ranking system, when will understand this point?
I just don't see the problem with two ranking systems at the moment. What is the disadvantage about this. I don't see confused players instantly leaving the servers or a splitted community. I just gave a statement, that I don't like the kind of advertising of Natty and some other people, because they are arguing with invalid arguments. I simply don't have seen Natty playing on any 762 server since 2.4 is out. So how is he able to give a statement about their work and possibilities? Because he is a FH2 dev?! I for one have a comparison, and I have to say: no one is better then the other one. I just have played on 762 with some nice people, who are working with dedication and money and time for their project - same as FH2 Devs. So why is their work stubborn or uselless?
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I googled everything I could to find the difference between the Official award system and the unofficial. All I could find was info on the official one. Go give it a try yourself, and don't post in this thread until you find something specifically stating the differences between the official and unofficial.
Then you are simply not able to use google. If I type in "FH 2 official ranking" i get several links concerning this topic, also to the FH forum. Of course you get a link to 762, since they use the phrase "FH 2 ranking" on their website aswell - this is how google works. But where do you see a difference in ranking systems. They are all equel in goal and the way to to reach this goal - simply using statistics. I don't really see a difference between them, so why are you calling one true and the other one not?
I also gave an example with using the ingame chat or this forum , and as I see most of the players use these option, since there are mostly people around who can give you an answer. And now the last time: the ranking means nothing to me, just the experience on a server. But until now nobody of you all has made a valid statement, why their work is useless and they are stubborn. So comment on this and not on something else. ;)
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You can't make rational arguments to some of these people. They can't fathom that two different ranking systems creates confusion in the land of bliss. They don't care that it compromises what the devs have done. It is insulting.
In hindsight it was the devs' mistake for allowing anyone to use a hacked awards system until the official one went live. They didn't anticipate the stubbornness that would result down the line. No good deed goes unpunished.
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So what is you point now? That you don't care about the awards and because of that it doesn't matter what happens with them?
And you keep calling it "their work". Who designed the awards? Who designed the system? They changed it, yes, but thy knew that eventually the official one would be released. With that reasoning you could also argue that people could use Fh2 models in their own mods or server side mod the game because "they like it better that way". But they can't, because it's the developer's mod and they can decide what happens with the content they made.
Also note that tournaments also use their own award systems, yet noone complains about them, ebcause they are distinct fromt he official one and given out int he boundaries of their tournaments, so the devs don't give a shit about them.
And to come back to your argument about their being no "contract". There isn't one because so far the community has relied on a honor system of sorts, that there shall be no server side modding or other fucking around with Fh2s content. This system worked perfectly, in contrast to say Project reality, where they introduced server licenses in an effort to combat server side modding. If the situation here odesn't resolve itself, the devs might be forced to implement measures like that or even harsher ones. In that case 762 would not only lose the work they invested into their ranking system, but also the ability to run FH2 servers at all, which can't be a solution anybody wants, but it is a solution.
About the whole oportunism thing: for me somebody who exploits someone elses work is an opportunist, even if there is no monetary gain involved. It's the same thing with all those men of war mods using Fh2 stuff without consent.
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@5hitm4k3r:
FH2 devs are making FH2 in way they want it to be. They not giving us parts of it to use it in way some others ppl want it to. Following your logic we can take what we want (models, maps) for free from it, make our mods and run servers and (the best part) call them FH2 as other servers? It's like a plagiarism. FH2 is a game with it's own OFFICIAL ranking system. What 762 is doing is just not fair for the devs and their work. If they want play FH2 they should play with official ranking if they don't like it - start their own minimod and be proud of it. No one asked 762 admins to leave their ranking system before 2.4 because most of players simply didn't give a fuck about it when it didn't collide with any official addition to the game (and it was big mistake because now it is harder for 762 players to leave their stats) And stop quote the argument about paying for servers as other servers aren't free. And who are you? Who asked you to wrote this bullshit 7th page straight? As we can see 762 admins don't even care so if you don't care about rankings - stop spamming Awards thread.
Ts4EVER took the words right out of my mouth... strange that almost everybody except you think similar here.
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So what is you point now? That you don't care about the awards and because of that it doesn't matter what happens with them?
And you keep calling it "their work". Who designed the awards? Who designed the system? They changed it, yes, but thy knew that eventually the official one would be released. With that reasoning you could also argue that people could use Fh2 models in their own mods or server side mod the game because "they like it better that way". But they can't, because it's the developer's mod and they can decide what happens with the content they made.
Also note that tournaments also use their own award systems, yet noone complains about them, ebcause they are distinct fromt he official one and given out int he boundaries of their tournaments, so the devs don't give a shit about them.
And to come back to your argument about their being no "contract". There isn't one because so far the community has relied on a honor system of sorts, that there shall be no server side modding or other fucking around with Fh2s content. This system worked perfectly, in contrast to say Project reality, where they introduced server licenses in an effort to combat server side modding. If the situation here odesn't resolve itself, the devs might be forced to implement measures like that or even harsher ones. In that case 762 would not only lose the work they invested into their ranking system, but also the ability to run FH2 servers at all, which can't be a solution anybody wants, but it is a solution.
About the whole oportunism thing: for me somebody who exploits someone elses work is an opportunist, even if there is no monetary gain involved. It's the same thing with all those men of war mods using Fh2 stuff without consent.
In your first two lines I can read, that you can't see, what I call their work. It is not just about the ranking system. And the ranking system is not hacked. They got permission to use several images of awards to work on with. They developed and improved it with their own ideas. The important thing is, that they got the permission to use something. What has it got to do with honor, to call them stubborn or their work useless. There is still nor comment about this.
Btw: Opportunism has nothing to do with using other ones work. Opportunism, means that you choose the possiblity that offers you the best personal use of something and not a possiblity with less use. They like the state of paly - why should they change? Because you say, that it unifies the community and that their work is usless. In this way they are some kind of opportunists, but not in the way you explained. Whouln't you do the same, if you would have developed their ranking system. - only some thoughts.
I am still waiting for a reason, why they are stubborn and their work useless. So the next try please.
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As I have pointed out above, having two award systems with the same awards is useless. Thus their work became useless once the devs released their official award system, since it's the developer's mod and they control the content. They stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that fact, thus they are stubborn.
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@5hitm4k3r:
FH2 devs are making FH2 in way they want it to be. They not giving us parts of it to use it in way some others ppl want it to. Following your logic we can take what we want (models, maps) for free from it, make our mods and run servers and (the best part) call them FH2 as other servers? It's like a plagiarism. FH2 is a game with it's own OFFICIAL ranking system. What 762 is doing is just not fair for the devs and their work. If they want play FH2 they should play with official ranking if they don't like it - start their own minimod and be proud of it. No one asked 762 admins to leave their ranking system before 2.4 because most of players simply didn't give a fuck about it when it didn't collide with any official addition to the game (and it was big mistake because now it is harder for 762 players to leave their stats) And stop quote the argument about paying for servers as other servers aren't free. And who are you? Who asked you to wrote this bullshit 7th page straight? As we can see 762 admins don't even care so if you don't care about rankings - stop spamming Awards thread.
Ts4EVER took the words right out of my mouth... strange that almost everybody except you think similar here.
Why should I have to think similar. I think, everybody who is registered here is able to make a free speech in the bounds - but I think, Iam not out off bounds. And I am not senselessly spamming, as I give some reasons, why I see some points as I explained them. And I am trying to arguing with facts and not speculations. Nobody made a statement why their work is useless or they are stubborn. And about the plagiarism - to get someones permission isn't plagiarism. When you give me well documented arguments, why they are"stubborn" or their work "useless", then I might could follow you. But on the last seven pages no one of the guys who wrote this insults nor other people who simply jumped on that train were able able to explain this: so now I have to come to the conclusion that there aren't simply arguments and reasons for these insults. I am not interested in, whether a 762 guy is reading this or not. I am one of the thousends of FH2 players, who simply has got a different oppinion and tries to give a little hint to think about the kind of advertising and speaking to and about other people. On servers you get kicked for insulting other people. What is so difficult to understand about this problem? You can argue in a kindly way, but not with things that were written by people, who claim to be very professional.
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As I have pointed out above, having two award systems with the same awards is useless. Thus their work became useless once the devs released their official award system, since it's the developer's mod and they control the content. They stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that fact, thus they are stubborn.
As you can see, people are playing on their servers and having fun. Me included. So their work isn't useless. You just call it that way. And why have they to acknowladge, that you call their work useless. You call it so. That doesn't mean that you are rigth. The opposite is the case. People are playing on their servers, so their work is usefull for someone - in this case the players, who having fun. This isn't stubborn.
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The reason they are playing on those servers is because they believe that that is the official award system, except for the die hard regulars who know otherwise.
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As I have pointed out above, having two award systems with the same awards is useless. Thus their work became useless once the devs released their official award system, since it's the developer's mod and they control the content. They stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that fact, thus they are stubborn.
As you can see, people are playing on their servers and having fun. Me included. So their work isn't useless. You just call it that way. And why have they to acknowladge, that you call their work useless. You call it so. That doesn't mean that you are rigth. The opposite is the case. People are playing on their servers, so their work is usefull for someone - in this case the players, who having fun. This isn't stubborn.
Yes, player are having fun of their servers. However is it because f the work they put into the awards system, or not rather because of teh fact that they run FH2 on it? Them running a server is not sueless, their awards system is.
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The reason they are playing on those servers is because they believe that that is the official award system, except for the die hard regulars who know otherwise.
Uh. You know this why? Because you can speak for all players on 762? You haven't even played a single round on the server since 2.4 is out and claim to know something about this? Try hader.
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Its basic psychology, a class I'm taking, so don't say I don't know what I'm talking about.
With the PURE and RANKED in the name of the servers, new players will think its an officially ranked server.
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As I have pointed out above, having two award systems with the same awards is useless. Thus their work became useless once the devs released their official award system, since it's the developer's mod and they control the content. They stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that fact, thus they are stubborn.
As you can see, people are playing on their servers and having fun. Me included. So their work isn't useless. You just call it that way. And why have they to acknowladge, that you call their work useless. You call it so. That doesn't mean that you are rigth. The opposite is the case. People are playing on their servers, so their work is usefull for someone - in this case the players, who having fun. This isn't stubborn.
Yes, player are having fun of their servers. However is it because f the work they put into the awards system, or not rather because of teh fact that they run FH2 on it? Them running a server is not sueless, their awards system is.
This could might be the case, but where is the reason for it? Because you say so, nothing more. The awards are a part of their work and not their whole work. So I wouldn't call their work (everything is included) useless and the people stubborn. Isn't this mod not just about having fun? Or did I miss anything?
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Its basic psychology, a class I'm taking, so don't say I don't know what I'm talking about.
With the PURE and RANKED in the name of the servers, new players will think its an officially ranked server.
We had the discussion about the terms "Pure" and "Ranked" alot of pages before. I tried to explain and now you come with these things, things, that should be clear for you after my explaination several pages ago. And I think they simply are. If you think different about it, you should talk with the guys on 762. They are very friendly and will listen to you and explain, how this term is meant to be. This term was there before 2.4 and after 2.4. So where is the problem?
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It is about the fun but still you miss a lot as we can see. Being completely blind for other arguments only worsened your statement... I think that you and your stubbornness only besmirch 762 more for everyone who ever read this thread.
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As I have pointed out above, having two award systems with the same awards is useless. Thus their work became useless once the devs released their official award system, since it's the developer's mod and they control the content. They stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that fact, thus they are stubborn.
As you can see, people are playing on their servers and having fun. Me included. So their work isn't useless. You just call it that way. And why have they to acknowladge, that you call their work useless. You call it so. That doesn't mean that you are rigth. The opposite is the case. People are playing on their servers, so their work is usefull for someone - in this case the players, who having fun. This isn't stubborn.
Yes, player are having fun of their servers. However is it because f the work they put into the awards system, or not rather because of teh fact that they run FH2 on it? Them running a server is not sueless, their awards system is.
This could might be the case, but where is the reason for it? Because you say so, nothing more. The awards are a part of their work and not their whole work. So I wouldn't call their work (everything is included) useless and the people stubborn. Isn't this mod not just about having fun? Or did I miss anything?
*facepalm*
Ok let's go through this nice and slow.
Yes this mod is about having fun. The devs design it to be fun. They introduce new features and tweaks to it to make it more fun. For example, they figured it was more fun to have squad leader spawning is more fun in this mod than rally points, so they left it in.
Now, let's say somebody decides rally points are fun after all. "Fair enough" say the devs, make a minimod with rally points. All we ask is that you need Fh2 to launch your minimod and that it is a minimod, separate from the main mod. World at War tournament did just that. They made their minimod with rally points and their extra content and because people like playing in tournaments they didn't mind downloading that minimod and playing it int he tournament separate from the main mod.
The awards system is also part of Fh2s design and the experience the devs intend for their fans/audience/players whatever. What 762 does is the same as introducing rally points or cross hairs server side without proper identification or a minimod. It is basically fucking up what the devs made.
And I don't care if a lot of work went into it or the 762 guys are nice people. There are possibly dozens of nice, hard working people in this country alone and I don't give a shit about most of them. What I do give a shit about, however, is that FH2 players receive the experience intended for them when they download Forgotten Hope 2.4.
This would actually be a nice experiment: Do you think people would bother downloading a minimod to use 762 awards?
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Question about awards: aren't grades gained too fast? There will be inflation in ranks soon.
And also, the name of the current grade would be nice to see in the awards page, e g Pfc, Colonel, Seargent etc. Instead of just grade insignia.
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During the entire discussion, I have not seen a single argument that would speak in favour of 762's award system. They supposedly "applied" for their award system to be included, however no dev remembers said application nor did they bring it forth here. And even if they did "apply", the devs still have the final call as FH2 is their intellectual property and they are free to do as they see fit. No matter which way you put it, 762 ranking will never be global, and now there is a global ranking system they refuse to take part in.
Sure, the server attracts random players, but then again, any full server attracts random players. So work is lost. Tough. You may have noticed that tournament and fanmaps might have sometimes stopped working because of a mod update and I don't hear them complaining. Once you start modmodding something you're on your own. Riding the 126 horse is just silly. Everyone knows that the project is not the work of 762, or FHT (even though they rented the server for a forthnight), or Flippy (even though he borrowed it from FHT for the GN).
Re the magical turnaround that miraculously coincided with the release of 2.4, I tend to trust ajappat more in this case. Also, intentional teamkills are something extremely rare on other servers.
Oh well, let's hope that 2.41 hotfix with a server "licence" put in place is coming soon.
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Still waiting as well for someone form 762 to explain why they haven't changed their server names yet, and I know their active on these boards because I've seen posts from them in this very thread.
[762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]
That name is deliberately misleading when seen on the server list. There is nothing in it that indicates you're joining a server that uses its own stat/ranking system. Quite the opposite in fact, it implies you are joining an officially stat tracked server which is just wrong. I appreciate they have a problem losing their ranks and stats and starting over but misleading players to keep your server filled is a low blow.
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Just looking over the awards very thoroughly for the first time, and noticed there was none for anti-tankers. That is sorely missing! There's a pistoleer award (which is great) but none for combat prowess killing enemy tanks with infantry tools -- seems an oversight. It is the hardest task an infantryman can undertake and worthy of recognition.
(no i'm not talking about using AT guns to destroy tanks, but using bazookas, fausts, mines, satchels, etc).
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I agree with Dago Face here
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actually we do have one, but not in the form of a badge but a ribbon:
Tank Killer Ribbon
Awarded to a soldier for overcoming armoured threats using only infantry anti-tank weapons.
Criteria for award:
- 10 or more enemy tank, APC, armoured car or transport kills using handheld anti-tank weapons in a round.
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/award/2021613/
It'd be fun to see that ribbon pinned on your profile if I'd take look at it in a week from now Dago Red..
Challenge accepted? ;D
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Still waiting as well for someone form 762 to explain why they haven't changed their server names yet, and I know their active on these boards because I've seen posts from them in this very thread.
[762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]
That name is deliberately misleading when seen on the server list. There is nothing in it that indicates you're joining a server that uses its own stat/ranking system. Quite the opposite in fact, it implies you are joining an officially stat tracked server which is just wrong. I appreciate they have a problem losing their ranks and stats and starting over but misleading players to keep your server filled is a low blow.
Thats a point, because you ask in a nice and kindly way and don't insult other people. Maybe someone of the 762 guys can give you a clear answer, because I can't speak for them, nor I am willed to do this. I simply speak for me. Some guys here twisted this point. Although I explained the point about "pure" and "ranked" - the servers had always this terms since I played there also before 2.4. They don't call it "official ranked" or whatever. Maybe you guys, who have problems with this notification should contact the the guys of Hslan and the other servers to put the term "official ranking" in the server names. If that helps you, ok.
And you have to show me, where this server name is misleading: [762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]. Its shows, that there is 762 ranking. #1 shows that is one of two servers and FH 2.4. is the running game. "Pure" shows, that there are only played official maps. Where is this misleading. It simply gives the most important information about the server itself.
And @Ts4ever: You always leave one important point out. 762 is not only about ranking - most people think, that it is that simple, but it isn't.
You only are speaking about the ranking, an important point for you maybe, but not my point. The ranking is part of their project and they seem to be succesful with their whole project. Otherwise there wouln't be any request for their servers or their help - thatswhy their work isn't useless. Do I call the official ranking useless and the devs stubborn in this forum? No. I only said, that it is "next to useless FOR ME" same as the 762 ranking. Ofcourse the work of the devs isn't useless, because we play their game and the stats are part of it. But no one said, that the devs should abandon their ranking system, because there is another one. Something, they created and something that is important for them aswell. You should also look from the outside of the window and not only from the inside. You still can't give me a clear answer about the kind of advertising and speaking about other people in this forum - it is very easy to make a *facepalm* for you, so why is it that hard for you to give me a clear asnwer about, how the work of 762 can be useless nor the guys are stubborn. Because the situation is speaking for them aswell. And don't come with only the ranking system - I explained why you shouldn't.
Btw: Why do you play on 762, if they are stubborn and their work useless. You've played 191 rounds there, last battle on the 11th of august this year, so not far away. This is also a nice aspect of these systems - you can make good spying with them. Now explain it, or what was the reason for the fun on their server. Numbers speak something different, than your points. Or do you want to claim, that every round was shit.
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Given the first post, I vote that we stop discussion about FH2 awards versus 762 and focus on the Official awards ONLY as that is what this thread is about. Can wwe be the bigger men here, because that argument is just getting more and more hostile, less logical and no side will give in... So back OT anyone?
Just to let you know, there are is a award and stat system in place:
It looks like this, congrats by the way Taz :)
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9823/awardv.jpg)
And can be found here:
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/players/ (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/players/)
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since when is the "pure" in the 762 server names? since 2.4 and the arrival of the real ranking. also the term IS MISLEADING. why dont they add "pure maps" or "official maps" to it? the first thing i think of when i read pure ranking is that this is the official ranking.
it seems to much of a coincidence this "pure" gets added exactly at the time the official ranking system arrives in fh2. the pure is there to mislead the newcomers.
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Well I'll stop arguing, but I hope Devs don't stop. More action less talk.
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since when is the "pure" in the 762 server names? since 2.4 and the arrival of the real ranking. also the term IS MISLEADING. why dont they add "pure maps" or "official maps" to it? the first thing i think of when i read pure ranking is that this is the official ranking.
it seems to much of a coincidence this "pure" gets added exactly at the time the official ranking system arrives in fh2. the pure is there to mislead the newcomers.
Why don't hslan add "pure maps". They also have "pure" in their name. This point is senceless, since it should be clear for all of you, who are searching for excuses. Maybe you see there a coincidence, maybe there is idk. For me it is just more information in the server browser. There isn't anything wrong about this term. Guys who are asking for server support at their website aren't asking for official ranking, thay are asking for 762 ranking and what they have to do. They don't try to mislead someone, cause there isn't a reason for that. People are asking for their ranking, if ranking is improtant for them and their servers, or if they are normal players. Why should they try to mislead someone? Because they don't want players to join the other servers? It is equal for them, who plays on the other servers. It is improtant for them, that people play on their server, otherwise they would not pay for them and manage the whole thing. I don't see something evil at this point.
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since when is the "pure" in the 762 server names? since 2.4 and the arrival of the real ranking. also the term IS MISLEADING. why dont they add "pure maps" or "official maps" to it? the first thing i think of when i read pure ranking is that this is the official ranking.
it seems to much of a coincidence this "pure" gets added exactly at the time the official ranking system arrives in fh2. the pure is there to mislead the newcomers.
Why don't hslan add "pure maps". They also have "pure" in their name. This point is senceless, since it should be clear for all of you, who are searching for excuses.
Because the [PURE] tag means that the server is running the mod as the devs intended, pure server settings. It is an official FH2 marking.
The awards should be part of the [PURE] settings, no server that runs stolen version of the stats should be allowed to be pure... or even to have server files should it be my decision.
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since when is the "pure" in the 762 server names? since 2.4 and the arrival of the real ranking. also the term IS MISLEADING. why dont they add "pure maps" or "official maps" to it? the first thing i think of when i read pure ranking is that this is the official ranking.
it seems to much of a coincidence this "pure" gets added exactly at the time the official ranking system arrives in fh2. the pure is there to mislead the newcomers.
Why don't hslan add "pure maps". They also have "pure" in their name. This point is senceless, since it should be clear for all of you, who are searching for excuses.
Because the [PURE] tag means that the server is running the mod as the devs intended, pure server settings. It is an official FH2 marking.
The awards should be part of the [PURE] settings, no server that runs stolen version of the stats should be allowed to be pure... or even to have server files should it be my decision.
Then the pure tag in the server name of hslan is misleading for me? - Because I simply don't know about it? You explained it to me and now I know it, everybody can make it this way. Good to know about the meaning - it will influence me the next time, I join the server. And about to claim something stolen or hacked, for that was given permission is not a valid argument.[citation needed] The ranking system they are running is their work, with parts of work from people who gave permission to use these parts. To say it in a simple way. The whole ranking mechanics and reading the statisitcs are written and created by them. They got permission to use some images[citation needed], nothing more nothing less and they used them. Your whole discussion is about little pictures, wich can be used by the 762 guys, because they got permission to use them[citation needed]. All other things all values created by their own ideas.[citation needed] It is the last time, I explained this point. Everybody, who says something like "they hacked" or "stole" something, is just not in the rigth position to claim something like that.[citation needed] That is simply calumny.
Why do you want citation for everyrthing you marked. I talked to you in this forum and to the guys who are working for 762. So there are two sides of the medal and I simply see the situation this way. Neo wrote the whole 762 system and used these little images, for them he got pemission. Maybe you are rigth about the point, that there were fragments of a ranking system, but the ranking system you are talkning about has nothing to do with this fragments - since they rewrote everything, to make it work better. Everything they are using from other peoples work, are simply images - for that there is a permission.
Finally you can't proof, that they hacked the system or not, same as me, because we aren't into this system and weren't present when it was created. So until this point, you can't proof that they really hacked something, I wouldn't claim something like that "hacked" or "stolen", because I simply don't know. This is simply calumny. I can only say, what I think about the situation and now for the last time: My general intention was not to argue for any ranking system, since I am not that much interested into any ranking system. I started this discussion just to get a statement, why these guys are stubborn and their work useless. Until now nobody was able to give me a simple answer with enough reasons. If this isn't clear for you now, stop claiming: "they hacked!".
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I don't care if they are doing other stuff too. I don't care if they are "worse" than other servers or whatever. My only concern is the ranking system. If they would use the official one, I would probably even play on their servers from time to time (unless they are as horrible as everyone says). The awards system is the only issue.
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I don't care if they are doing other stuff too. I don't care if they are "worse" than other servers or whatever. My only concern is the ranking system. If they would use the official one, I would probably even play on their servers from time to time (unless they are as horrible as everyone says). The awards system is the only issue.
If that is the case for you, it is ok and I can understand you. But does it qualify you to insult these people and their whole work?
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Still waiting as well for someone form 762 to explain why they haven't changed their server names yet, and I know their active on these boards because I've seen posts from them in this very thread.
[762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]
That name is deliberately misleading when seen on the server list. There is nothing in it that indicates you're joining a server that uses its own stat/ranking system. Quite the opposite in fact, it implies you are joining an officially stat tracked server which is just wrong. I appreciate they have a problem losing their ranks and stats and starting over but misleading players to keep your server filled is a low blow.
Thats a point, because you ask in a nice and kindly way and don't insult other people. Maybe someone of the 762 guys can give you a clear answer, because I can't speak for them, nor I am willed to do this. I simply speak for me. Some guys here twisted this point. Although I explained the point about "pure" and "ranked" - the servers had always this terms since I played there also before 2.4. They don't call it "official ranked" or whatever. Maybe you guys, who have problems with this notification should contact the the guys of Hslan and the other servers to put the term "official ranking" in the server names. If that helps you, ok.
And you have to show me, where this server name is misleading: [762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]. Its shows, that there is 762 ranking. #1 shows that is one of two servers and FH 2.4. is the running game. "Pure" shows, that there are only played official maps. Where is this misleading. It simply gives the most important information about the server itself.
Ok shitmaker I'll explain why I think it's misleading having 'pure' in the server title. Since I've been playing multiplayer games, any server I have seen with 'pure' in the server name implies that the server is running the game/mod with unmodified content, playing it as the devs intended. Since 2.4 came out this simply does not apply to the 762 servers because FH2 2.4 came with its own stats ranking system. This is part of the content of 2.4 and to use something else of your own making is to modify the content.So they are not running a pure server they are running a server with modified content which makes the 'pure' tag misleading to average joe player.
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And you have to show me, where this server name is misleading: [762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]. Its shows, that there is 762 ranking. #1 shows that is one of two servers and FH 2.4. is the running game. "Pure" shows, that there are only played official maps. Where is this misleading. It simply gives the most important information about the server itself.
If I was a new player to the mod, I would think that 762 is a clan. With servername like "[762-RANKING] #1 FH2 v.2.4" it would be more clear. And yes, change from Ranked to Ranking is intended.
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And you have to show me, where this server name is misleading: [762]RANKED #1 FH2 v2.4 [PURE]. Its shows, that there is 762 ranking. #1 shows that is one of two servers and FH 2.4. is the running game. "Pure" shows, that there are only played official maps. Where is this misleading. It simply gives the most important information about the server itself.
If I was a new player to the mod, I would think that 762 is a clan. With servername like "[762-RANKING] #1 FH2 v.2.4" it would be more clear. And yes, change from Ranked to Ranking is intended.
If you ask in a nice a kindly way, I think that they can tell you, why they do it as they are it doing atm. But this is another discussion. Guys, we are talking about server names - just letters in a table. I would join their server aswell, if it is called something different, same for the other servers. But does the name of the server really matter in the discussion, whether you can insult them or not and call them soemthing below the belt?
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[762]#1 FH2 2.4 [Custom Stats] would be the best name in my personal and most honest ooinion.
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Shitmaker, stop trying to troll that point. He said "it's useless now" and meant the Ranking for FH2. Iirc he didn't insult anyone's work. The main gripe people have here is that the name is misleading for new players and any problems that result through this misunderstanding fall back on the devs/FH2.4 and not 762.
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Hahahahahaa, this is hilarious!
One guy arguing with half of the forums since page 11 of this thread.Just wow, take a look at his nick and everything will become clear.
On the topic though.762 servers are pure shit. Admins kick you for no apparent reason (they kick you when they want really)
Very little teamwork etc.Topped with lack of official stats.
Thats the impression i got after playing there, not gonna do that again.
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actually we do have one, but not in the form of a badge but a ribbon:
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It'd be fun to see that ribbon pinned on your profile if I'd take look at it in a week from now Dago Red..
Challenge accepted? ;D
Ah good to know! Only 10 tanks in a round? I could do that with one eye closed.
(Actually, that's quite a lot, especially if they are German tanks anywhere outside of Africa. Though I'm certain I destroyed at least 10 vehicles using mines on Supercharge -- do mines count? And I assume marmons/222's and other armored cars not counted for a "tank" kill?)
I accept this challenge! Though I would amend to the rest of the month since I won't be playing as much do to travel. :)
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There is a third 762 Server around. :-\
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There is a third 762 Server around. :-\
Yes, because their work is useless and they are stubborn.
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"work"?
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"work"?
Isn't managing the servers no work or the work to get the money to set them up? Ofcourse you will say "no", because you have to, but for me it is. There are enough people - I think they had around 160 people on their servers today - who appreciate this. Also people, who play on the French community server from time to time and appreciate the 762 server aswell, because the people are nice and it is fun to play.
I played today on the russian vietcong server. It was also very nice, since they are running some smaller versions of the maps. I had some nice teamwork and inf fights with some guys there, and we used the 762 TS server at the same time - I ask myself, how something like this is working. One guy was a 762 guy - also quiet good and nice player. Then sadly the server crashed and we joined another one - the ABC server. It was empty first, but then we got a nice fight on Gazala.
Why can't you stop your arguing about just black and white, when on the other hand the reality speaks another language. ;)
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The "reality" aka "false advertising" speaks another language. Adding servers that say "RANKED | PURE" that are neither ranked or pure is also known as "lying".
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Yes, there is a third server. Meaning of the 5 servers that have any decent number, 3 are 762, one HSLAN and one other usually half full.
If Sh4tmaker will stop taking it upon himself to defend 762 so abbraisively, I will try to analyze this fact.
The devs wanted a system to not only reward players, but to understand how they play, what they use, how often etc, in order to advice future development. With 3/5 or even 3/4 servers being non-scoring, we really wont get an accurate value for this. As opposed to an entire system of servers that pool data on the same people irrespective of who they are and which server they play on, 3 get only 1/4 or 2/5 of the data we actually need - We could say, that some people play on HSLAN or the other server only, and never on 762, which would provide accurate data, at least for those people.
But since HLAN only has 64 slots, and the other is usually not decently full, I can only imagine alot of their play time is on 762. Like it or not, it does rake in the bulk of the players. And so there is a large loss of the kind of data the devs are looking for. What is more the other Ranked servers tend to have like 5people on them, which, since 2.4, is 4 people more than there used to be (Like it or not, the FH2 devs rank system is doing something right), but its has its drawbacks. 5 people killing each other on a server wont provide accurate data, yet it is what is adding to the values, seeing that those are the OTHER ranked servers out there. skewing the player data.
Well, pitty. I especially feel sad for the devs and the whole system they conceived not achieving what it was intended on fully, because of a turf war.
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Haha i have fired 1682 bullets with a LMG and i have hit something with....... 19 of them. I always love to pretend im supressing but these are some sad numbers ;D
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Still, if the devs ever wanted to implement a fully-functioning suppression system it is stuff like that they would look at.
LMG and MG gunners firing full auto with alot more rounds than kills, may make them realize players WANT to suppress *hint, hint*
Or even, how (in)accurate the LMGs are...
All useful data...
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Like it or not, the FH2 devs rank system is doing something right, but its has its drawbacks. 5 people killing each other on a server wont provide accurate data, yet it is what is adding to the values, seeing that those are the OTHER ranked servers out there. skewing the player data.
Well, pitty. I especially feel sad for the devs and the whole system they conceived not achieving what it was intended on fully, because of a turf war.
Did I say, that FH2 devs did something wrong with their award system - I simply like their whole work, but not the advertising? 762 has got also it's drawbacks aswell. And about what kind of data are you talking about? I think to improve the game, we don't really need an award system. We have some sections in this forum, that are more imprtant for improvements. The section for reporting bugs and the section for feedback, or the section for suggestions. And as I can see on the improvements for 2.4, this works very well. It worked quiet well before 2.4. and it will work in the future.
And how can you say, that the system is not achieving, what it was intended on fully? There was a news update about the succes of 2.4. You have about 8000 registered users for the new system in about one or two months - you can read it in the archive. Isn't this enough of proof for you, that everything is rigth?
People are enjoying your mod, more people than ever and you still are whining about pixels in a profile? Sorry, I can't help you. Will you have a different experience, if you are playing with 762 or the official stats? Then you should think about, why you are playing the game. I am not defending any ranking system. I just think, that you should make more friendly advertising for the system and mod itself, what is the strength about it and why you are convinced, that your mod is good and not create problems, where no problems are. Professional advertising attracts more players than bashing around below the belt - I always thought this whole project called FH is a project for fun, and not a challange against other people. A friend of mine was also interested in this whole ranking thing. I gave him the link, where you can find the servers with official ranking listed. So now he knows everything about it. For what information do you have this link on your website - just for fun? No, it is there to give information about the servers, that are providing the official ranking. 762 is not listed there, so where is the problem? Can't you enjoy the game on any server, ofcourse dependend on ping and players, no matter what ranking is running. Those people, who want to read their stats, can do this on your webpage - so the game works. What else do you want? People, who want to play with officail ranking can play on the servers, that are offering it. Make a kickstart and people, who are interested in, will join. We had 5 players today on ABC server today at the beginning, when Gazala was running. After the round we had around 30 people. So why doesn't it work on the other servers, as you are claiming? DFL-Reporter made a kickstart for the French Community server and it worked. Maybe I will join the next time, if I see, that the gameplay is good and a godd map is running. So now you have to explain me, where the problem is. Because some people claim to be true and the other guys not? They world is not always black and white, it can also be grey. And now we have this grey area, where everything is working quiet well and you still arent satisfied.
And finally I have to say, that I don't feel sad for the devs or something like this. They have reached alot and their work is very appreciated as you mentioned in your special news update. Aren't these words mentioned in this news not relevant anymore? Guys, lets get back to business ;)
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lol! I said "I feel sad..." and you are arguing against THAT!?!
*Sigh*
I'm not even going to dignify your diatribe with a response. Go on ranting as you see it fit.
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lol! I said "I feel sad..." and you are arguing against THAT!?!
*Sigh*
I'm not even going to dignify your diatribe with a response. Go on ranting as you see it fit.
I am not arguing against, that you are feeling sad. Read my post carefuly and you will see. I simply said, that I don't feel said. I just asked myself and oufcourse you, whether your points, why you seem to feel sad are really true. Just read the news update "Keep on trucking". Is the situation really that bad?
Edit: If you can't find this update, I can give you the link ;D
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lol! I said "I feel sad..." and you are arguing against THAT!?!
*Sigh*
I'm not even going to dignify your diatribe with a response. Go on ranting as you see it fit.
I am not arguing against, that you are feeling sad. Read my post carefuly and you will see. I simply said, that I don't feel sad. I just asked myself and oufcourse you, whether your points, why you seem to feel sad are really true. Just read the news update "Keep on trucking". Is the situation really that bad?
Edit: If you can't find this update, I can give you the link ;D
Nuff said. And you sarcasm just adds to emphasize the fact that you are STILL trying to tell me that I can't possibly feel how I feel. I mean REALLY, if this isn't a sign of not knowing how to argue, I dont know what is.
Can we all PLEASE move off this ridiculous argument of Stats vs Stats, back to the main topic of the official Awards system, before someone hurts themselves!?
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lol! I said "I feel sad..." and you are arguing against THAT!?!
*Sigh*
I'm not even going to dignify your diatribe with a response. Go on ranting as you see it fit.
I am not arguing against, that you are feeling sad. Read my post carefuly and you will see. I simply said, that I don't feel sad. I just asked myself and oufcourse you, whether your points, why you seem to feel sad are really true. Just read the news update "Keep on trucking". Is the situation really that bad?
Edit: If you can't find this update, I can give you the link ;D
Nuff said. And you sarcasm just adds to emphasize the fact that you are STILL trying to tell me that I can't possibly feel how I feel. I mean REALLY, if this isn't a sign of not knowing how to argue, I dont know what is.
Can we all PLEASE move off this ridiculous argument of Stats vs Stats, back to the main topic of the official Awards system, before someone hurts themselves!?
Ok, that is a statement. The next time, I see you on 762 I will take care for you. Because it seems to be a hell of a server for you. Why are you joing the server? I think 762 is useless and stubborn? Join the other servers, if it is too hard for you there and join the bright side of live and not the evil 762 servers. Guys, you all have real problems. I for one will join a any server and thousends of players do it the same way. If this something bad, I don't know.
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This thread just goes in circles. Can we get a lock? Or a Flippy slaughterfest?
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nope, it's important that visitors to this forum have a place to learn what the differences are between 762s stat-system, and the official FH2 Awards. ;)
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lol! I said "I feel sad..." and you are arguing against THAT!?!
*Sigh*
I'm not even going to dignify your diatribe with a response. Go on ranting as you see it fit.
I am not arguing against, that you are feeling sad. Read my post carefuly and you will see. I simply said, that I don't feel sad. I just asked myself and oufcourse you, whether your points, why you seem to feel sad are really true. Just read the news update "Keep on trucking". Is the situation really that bad?
Edit: If you can't find this update, I can give you the link ;D
Nuff said. And you sarcasm just adds to emphasize the fact that you are STILL trying to tell me that I can't possibly feel how I feel. I mean REALLY, if this isn't a sign of not knowing how to argue, I dont know what is.
Can we all PLEASE move off this ridiculous argument of Stats vs Stats, back to the main topic of the official Awards system, before someone hurts themselves!?
Ok, that is a statement. The next time, I see you on 762 I will take care for you. Because it seems to be a hell of a server for you. Why are you joing the server? I think 762 is useless and stubborn? Join the other servers, if it is too hard for you there and join the bright side of live and not the evil 762 servers. Guys, you all have real problems. I for one will join a any server and thousends of players do it the same way. If this something bad, I don't know.
GOD! Ok, I will say this ONE last time and leave it there.
What I said! was that: I'm going to bullet-point it for the slow of hearing and thick of thinking. Yer, when I said someone might get hurt, I meant hurt thinking, so what's with the idle threats?
1. We can't argue about which server is better because it depends on the day. Servers are empty rooms with rules, NOT families. So that argument is neither here not there.
2. I believe the 762 awards was, according to what I've heard (and hasn't been disputed), in the Server files of FH2 before the official one was ready, taken by 762 (the graphics) and implemented 762s own way. When the official stats came on, they decided NOT to sign on, still keeping their Award system
3. I play on 762 IF none of the official-award servers has a decent number or is full, and when this changes, I leave in a heartbeat I regret I do play there, not because the server sucks, but because I know my awards count for dick when I play on 762. And since I WANT the Official awards to be patronized, I am conflicted in joining it, because then I add to the numbers who do so rather than patronizing the awards. Being 3/4 or 3/5th of the Servers, it seems hard to AVOID 762, even if on principle you choose to.
Note that, besides a few common-knowledge facts, all my points so far are about personal PREFERENCE.
My statement about sadness was this. please pay attention of you will hurt yourself processing it:
Inspite of all the arguments, my ONE concern at this point is that we have 5 servers aproximately going, or more often 4. of which 3 are 762, using its unofficial awards system, 1 is HSLAN, and one is any other official-awards server that is usually half full.
The official Awards system besides rewarding outstanding players, provides stats the devs can use to assess how players play. What weapons they use, how often they are used etc. Basically the kind that informs future development. So although, data IS tricking in, considering the number of servers full i.e TWO, and the where most people will play, THREE servers of 762, you can imagine that this data WONT be accurate since much of that data is not recorded.
And then I add, in addition, we now have many small official-Award servers who used to have 1 or 2 people, now having 5 or a bit more. The data coming from there WONT be accurate either as 5 people hunting each other CAN'T provide accurate data of how FH2 players play.
Because of all this, I am sad.
So stop being a troll and read what people are saying. YOU are the one paining the arguments black and white. And you are seriously running this thread into the ground. look back, and see how many times people, including myself have tried to move this discussion back to the official discussion, only for you to bring us back here.
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I have to say, that all of your points are right. But did I claim, that any server is better than another? I just said, that I like to play mostly on 762, because they provide a good gaming expereince. But I said, that I like to play on any other server asweel, if gameplay is good.
Now I will help you a littlebit:
There is simply no reason for the point, that their work is useless nor they are stubborn. If you are honest, this isn't the rigth kind of arguing nor call their server shady or anything else - or do you do this, when you join a server?. I asked some guys in this forum, how they can judge the fun on the server without playing a single round on it. Or why they played or still play on the server, when this server is shady. These questions were before post #162 and I tried to explain, why this server gives also a good experience in a nice and kindly way - ofcourse next to all other servers. And then a guy called Flippy Warbear, who claims to be global moderator, comes with this comment #162 and I ask for reasons for this insulting. And no one of you gave me a clear answer about it on the last 10 pages and simply searching for excuses for it, what makes me doubting a littlebit. They only call me a troll - very constructive arguing.
Btw: it is quiet easy to get the difference between 762 ranking and official ranking - just look at their names. I also gave a lot of examples. My last two cents and now keep on trucking. ;)
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I think one way to go, in my opinion, is to NOT post server files on the FH2 website, but to have Servers request them, and have them sent directly to that server. After all, it IS their sovereign property. That way if any maverick Server Admin decides to do with their content what they deem fit (No name mentioned here), they will remain at 2.4, while everyone else will be somewhere else.
Sadly, I can imagine some unscrupulous sorts changing their server name to include the latest version type, only for people to realize that the maps from the new version never come into rotation...
Still, that's one way to go.
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Hello to all,
im am new to FH and i am very confused aubout the AWARDS/STATS discussion here.
Some words to myself, i am 36 ages and i am managing my own little company since 11 years. I had to learn what is efficiency is. And that what are you doing not efficiently.
I think for this game/mod it is not necessary, but if someone wants a ranking/stats/awards system, ok
I informed me and read these whole discussion.
I am not confused about the Servertags the tags are completle clear to me, there is a Ranking called [762]Ranking - Servertag -> [762]RANKED
and then the new FH2 Ranking - Servertag i dont know, is unclear to me.
I dont understand why the Devs from FH developed an AWARD System if there was a running System like [762]Ranking.
Why did you develope one by your self? Why? Why creating the wheel new? Cooperation is the key to be efficient.
Discussion about "hacked/stolen"?
[762] is working about 2 years, yours about 2 month. How i can "steal/hack" something that is newer than the working system?
Your System is only working with FH2 i think, [762] is working with a lot of other Mod's for BF2.
I think these two Systems are working completely different.
Discussion about splitting the Comunity?
I think you are splitting the Community with this thread against [762] if you are saying these servers are "shit","lets join a better server", i dont read any bad sentence about the FH2 Ranking in their forum. This enery would be better put into the Mod itself, creating new maps, deleting bugs - eg. Flagbug.
Talking about names is absurd, why they have to change the names of the servers? All servers have the same tag in all mods. This behavior is childish and counterproductive. And i think other poeple think the same.
and to your post djinn #295
didn't you think that this is the wrong way, to bear down opinions and clans, because they want to use an other system.
i think its a little bit china style? And i hope, that this is not the way that FH2 is going. And i also hope this is only your opinion. I'm at a loss for words.
Btw i heard about not activating accounts from [762]advocate people in this forum, if this is true, it shows the way like discussions are solved here and why here is only one guy that discuss in a normal way and for both systems.
I hope it is an mistake that you haven't activate them 6 times. But if this is true, and it would be public, it was very very stupid and no good advertisement to this forum and the Mod.
best regards Fred
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Ok, this brings a new point. I dont know if 762 CAN'T change because its server's award system works with multiple mods, or if it can but wont.
But what I DO know is, with the current state, you go to 3/ 5 servers available and your awards system doesn't count in the Fh2 world. Also, I didn't say that 762 is splitting the community, but my understanding of what that person meant was that with the difference in the Award Systems and hence the 2 camps calling for unification/ laisser faire, you DO have 2-camps like it or not. This discussion didn't create them, it simply shows them as existing.
And there was no exact mention of the Fh2 award being shit, no. But they did say 'Why should 762 change its system when it is superior'. I'm not saying it isn't true, or or it is, but that is definitely a word against the official Awards system, no?
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I dont understand why the Devs from FH developed an AWARD System if there was a running System like [762]Ranking.
Why did you develope one by your self? Why? Why creating the wheel new? Cooperation is the key to be efficient.
Discussion about "hacked/stolen"?
[762] is working about 2 years, yours about 2 month. How i can "steal/hack" something that is newer than the working system?
Your System is only working with FH2 i think, [762] is working with a lot of other Mod's for BF2.
I think these two Systems are working completely different.
I checked our internal forum for this. We started developing our awards in July of 2008 - three years ago. All award pictures and icons have been in our files since then and this is what the 762 awards have been using - with our permission. Nothing was hacked or stolen.
Discussion about splitting the Comunity?
I think you are splitting the Community with this thread against [762] if you are saying these servers are "shit","lets join a better server", i dont read any bad sentence about the FH2 Ranking in their forum. This enery would be better put into the Mod itself, creating new maps, deleting bugs - eg. Flagbug.
You will not catch a developer saying this and I will see to it that none of that is accepted in this forum from now on. This thread has gone on long enough.
Btw i heard about not activating accounts from [762]advocate people in this forum, if this is true, it shows the way like discussions are solved here and why here is only one guy that discuss in a normal way and for both systems.
I hope it is an mistake that you haven't activate them 6 times. But if this is true, and it would be public, it was very very stupid and no good advertisement to this forum and the Mod.
I assure you this is not the case. We get about 50 registrations a day, 99% of which are spambots. Without this account activation in place the forum got several spam posts a day and since the activation we've seen only 1 post from an account that slipped through the net. Sadly, sometimes mistakes are made and a genuine person gets rejected. I've already made numerous posts about this in the moderator forum and even mentioned several names in particular to ensure they would get through. We are currently investigating where the problem lies. Also, I've only heard of only two times and account was incorrectly rejected. If anyone is still having problems please read through Flippy's thread (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=15662.0) and send him an e-mail to the address that is listed in this thread.
EDIT: It seems when someone is rejected, their IP is automatically put on the ban list and the ban list is checked for matching IPs when a new member registers, so if someone made a mistake rejecting someone once, it will be repeated in all consecutive registrations from that IP. We will try and fix this as soon as possible.
If anyone wants to say anything I will leave this thread open for a while, but I would rather see it deleted.
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Thanks for setting the record straight, Lightning. I am humbled and sorry for my mistake of the situation and being a proponent of this negativity.
I guess the initial statement can be posted to get this thread back online. It is an interesting new feature after all:
http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/awards (http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/awards)
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On awards system for once:
Could we get awards/stats showing for shotguns and flamethrower? Roadkills would also be nice too, but only in statistics, not as awarded medal.
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If everyone is so upset about 762, because their servers are total shit, then why won't the FH2 devs do something? I can understand not getting involved in server administration, but what about the whole ranking thing? The devs make the content and have the right to see it played the way they want it to be, right? If this was PR we wouldn't even have this problem, their devs would warn the admins, then pull the server offline. Maybe the devs should get tougher on servers/admins.
My opinion, run FH2 as you please.
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Hello to all...
...I informed me and read these whole discussion...
Hello Fred... :)
It's not about whose rankings or server is "better", the simple fact of the matter is, 762 are "splitting the community" by running a modified version of the mod.
This has been pointed out to 5hitm4k3r repeatedly, but then if you had read the whole thing you'd already know that...
And what's all this "Boo-hoo 762 is my only option" bullshit?
Oh that's right, I forgot they're the only FH2 servers in Germany... ::)
- http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=bf2&vars=gamevariant=fh2&country=DE&public=&num=100&order=name
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No no they are the only ones named RANKED... ;D
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I dont understand why the Devs from FH developed an AWARD System if there was a running System like [762]Ranking.
Why did you develope one by your self? Why? Why creating the wheel new? Cooperation is the key to be efficient.
Discussion about "hacked/stolen"?
[762] is working about 2 years, yours about 2 month. How i can "steal/hack" something that is newer than the working system?
Your System is only working with FH2 i think, [762] is working with a lot of other Mod's for BF2.
I think these two Systems are working completely different.
I checked our internal forum for this. We started developing our awards in July of 2008 - three years ago. All award pictures and icons have been in our files since then and this is what the 762 awards have been using - with our permission. Nothing was hacked or stolen.
Discussion about splitting the Comunity?
I think you are splitting the Community with this thread against [762] if you are saying these servers are "shit","lets join a better server", i dont read any bad sentence about the FH2 Ranking in their forum. This enery would be better put into the Mod itself, creating new maps, deleting bugs - eg. Flagbug.
You will not catch a developer saying this and I will see to it that none of that is accepted in this forum from now on. This thread has gone on long enough.
Btw i heard about not activating accounts from [762]advocate people in this forum, if this is true, it shows the way like discussions are solved here and why here is only one guy that discuss in a normal way and for both systems.
I hope it is an mistake that you haven't activate them 6 times. But if this is true, and it would be public, it was very very stupid and no good advertisement to this forum and the Mod.
I assure you this is not the case. We get about 50 registrations a day, 99% of which are spambots. Without this account activation in place the forum got several spam posts a day and since the activation we've seen only 1 post from an account that slipped through the net. Sadly, sometimes mistakes are made and a genuine person gets rejected. I've already made numerous posts about this in the moderator forum and even mentioned several names in particular to ensure they would get through. We are currently investigating where the problem lies. Also, I've only heard of only two times and account was incorrectly rejected. If anyone is still having problems please read through Flippy's thread (http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=15662.0) and send him an e-mail to the address that is listed in this thread.
EDIT: It seems when someone is rejected, their IP is automatically put on the ban list and the ban list is checked for matching IPs when a new member registers, so if someone made a mistake rejecting someone once, it will be repeated in all consecutive registrations from that IP. We will try and fix this as soon as possible.
If anyone wants to say anything I will leave this thread open for a while, but I would rather see it deleted.
Are you guys doing selective reading? Read what Lightning said.
This thread was initially locked for a reason, so lets stop this stupid discussion and move back to discussing the main item - The FH2 Awards system... Imagine this was a FH2 update about the Awards system.
Really, I am a tad disappointed that main-stay fans, even vets are still carrying this along.
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Thank you for your answer Lightning,
it was not my intention that you think, that DEV said bad things about [762]. Sorry for this.
Whats about working together, maybe both systems could be activated on a server. A am not a Developer, but maybe its working. So both parts are happy. I think, someone said this in a post before. Maybe the Devs from FH and [762] can put some words here.
To you cannonfodder,
what is for you moddify a version? Changing parts of files in the mod itself?
And to all, [762] is not a Clan and they did not Ranked their server. The Ranking is called [762]RANKING and its working with alot of other Mod's for BF2. So how would you call a server the [762]RANKING is running? Maybe [762]RANKED?
And now back to topic like djinn sayed.
@djinn, sorry i wrote this text, while you post yours.
Greeting Fred
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And to all, [762] is not a Clan and they did not Ranked their server. The Ranking is called [762]RANKING and its working with alot of other Mod's for BF2. So how would you call a server the [762]RANKING is running? Maybe [762]RANKED?
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That's actually the trick here:
The Servers are called: [762]RANKED. I bet everyone would be happy if they called them [762]RANKING. :)
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My english isn't the best, but i think
the ranking and is ranked
BTW whats about [FH2]AWARDS, because of an awards system ;)
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Fred actually has a point here :P
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That's only semantics and Fred knows that. ;)
Common naming has been [Ranked] in the Battlefield world ever since BF2 and thus the 'official ranking' should be the one using the ranked tag.
Using 'RANKING' for the 762 system would point to their different ranking system instead of the FH2 ranking and would be imho a great way to coexist.
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I still dont see how different names would solve the problem. We have 2 ranking systems in this very small community and even if we got different names, the danger of splitting the community still exists and gets worse the longer nothing will be done. At the moment there are players, who do play on both ranking systems and who have no real interest in stats being counted either in one or the other system. But there are also a lot of players who begi to refuse either the one or the other system, which is not good. The second group will grow every day. The longer people are playing on one ranking system, the more they will refuse to play on the other.
I am really hoping that the Fh2 Devs and the 762 are already talking to each other behind the scenes to solve this problem. I dont know how to solve the problem, but just saying, that here is an official system running, now shut your system down, which is counting stats for more than 2 years, CANT be a solution. And just saying: "Change your name", isnt a real solution either. The only real solution could be either putting both systems together and helping improving each other or getting both running on ONE server. There are a lot of players, who play on 762 for years and they like it. I dont think, they would be happy, if their stats are lost.
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I'm no technical expert, but could the server send the information into two databases instead of one? That way, they could have their ranking (and 762 vets could continue their "career" there) but playing there would still count towards the official ranking.
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Are you guys doing selective reading?...
No, but you seem to be.
Where exactly did I say it was hacked or stolen? I said it was modified, which it is.
@Fred: The FH2 award system is a part of FH 2.4, the 762 are running 2.4 on their servers without it, thus it is a modified version of FH.
This was pointed out earlier, as was the fact that the "lot's of other mods" that the 762 ranking applies to, amounts to 3 whole mods (PR, PoE, and OPK), two of which are long gone.
Short of going the way of PR, maybe one of the conditions for running an officially ranked server should be having [FH2 RANKED] added to the name of the server... :-\
@DLF: NEIN! Coexistence is for the weak, we need to convert these heathen bastards... ;D
...I dont know how to solve the problem, but just saying, that here is an official system running, now shut your system down, which is counting stats for more than 2 years, CANT be a solution. And just saying: "Change your name", isnt a real solution either. The only real solution could be either putting both systems together and helping improving each other...
This is the dilemma, but to suggest they integrate the two systems (and you're not the first) is ridiculous considering one of the main reasons the 762 won't adopt the official system is the loss of all their stats.
This only leaves one option, and I think it's quite safe to say that if the 762 rankings were up to FH2 standards, the devs would have happily adopted the system and moved on to other things.
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I dont think Fred is really Fred, i dont trust this Fred. Who is he, besides him being Fred, and what are his intentions? I think we need Gandalf on this one.
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@DLF: NEIN! Coexistence is for the weak, we need to convert these heathen bastards... ;D
No words at all
Hope the admins here say something to this
to =dmk= Oberst and Kelmola
this is the right way, talking if this would work, with two system on a server, or something in this way.
to DLFReporter
if these are only semantics, why FH2 isn't using maybe the Tag [FH2]Ranked and everyone is happy.
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I dont think Fred is really Fred, i dont trust this Fred. Who is he, besides him being Fred, and what are his intentions? I think we need Gandalf on this one.
If I were you, I would call him a spy. ;D
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Are you guys doing selective reading?...
No, but you seem to be.
Where exactly did I say it was hacked or stolen? I said it was modified, which it is.
@Fred: The FH2 award system is a part of FH 2.4, the 762 are running 2.4 on their servers without it, thus it is a modified version of FH.
This was pointed out earlier, as was the fact that the "lot's of other mods" that the 762 ranking applies to, amounts to 3 whole mods (PR, PoE, and OPK), two of which are long gone.
Short of going the way of PR, maybe one of the conditions for running an officially ranked server should be having [FH2 RANKED] added to the name of the server... :-\
@DLF: NEIN! Coexistence is for the weak, we need to convert these heathen bastards... ;D
...I dont know how to solve the problem, but just saying, that here is an official system running, now shut your system down, which is counting stats for more than 2 years, CANT be a solution. And just saying: "Change your name", isnt a real solution either. The only real solution could be either putting both systems together and helping improving each other...
This is the dilemma, but to suggest they integrate the two systems (and you're not the first) is ridiculous considering one of the main reasons the 762 won't adopt the official system is the loss of all their stats.
This only leaves one option, and I think it's quite safe to say that if the 762 rankings were up to FH2 standards, the devs would have happily adopted the system and moved on to other things.
I wouldn't call any ranking system better, because I simply have no clue about these techniques. If you ever have looked into the 762 ranking system and compared it with the official one and could gave me a proof, then I would say that you are rigth. Until this point your posts concerning this topic are just suspicions and a contradiction with your statements posted before (post #302, second line). Guys can you stop making suspicions. We need facts. Have you ever thougth about, that the 762 devs could might be very comfortable with their system? Only they have the knowledge concerning their system and the comparison with the official one, not you.
On topic: I don't think that the coinsidence of both systems is a problem. One more time. This worked for the whole community the last 2-3 years, why shouldn't it in the future? To help players maybe to seperate better between the servers maybe the servers with official ranking system could add the tag [FH2 Awards] or something like this, as it was mentioned before. I think there are also several other servers, that haven't got any ranking system. This could also help to give better information about the the different systems in general in the server browser.
Although I have to say, that it is easy for players to inform themself concerning this topic.
Edit: If this discoussion is derailing this threat two much, we can make a own threat about it, where people can speak in a very civilised and kindly way about this topic, since it seems to be interesting for lot of people. ;)
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Hello to all...
...I informed me and read these whole discussion...
Hello Fred... :)
It's not about whose rankings or server is "better", the simple fact of the matter is, 762 are "splitting the community" by running a modified version of the mod.
This has been pointed out to 5hitm4k3r repeatedly, but then if you had read the whole thing you'd already know that...
And what's all this "Boo-hoo 762 is my only option" bullshit?
Oh that's right, I forgot they're the only FH2 servers in Germany... ::)
- http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=bf2&vars=gamevariant=fh2&country=DE&public=&num=100&order=name
cF,
my point was NOT to say you were implied there was stolen Awards system,
My point was to try to get us off the 762 versus Official Fh2 devs system. You do realize the devs have yet to give us any full picture on this. Yet, inspite of Lightnijng's revelation that U-turned most people's perception, including mine, are we still keeping up this confrontational discussion?
This was really NOT the purpose of this thread, and the thread WAS locked once because of this discussion. Do you really want us to still hang around this topic? When all the facts aren't even in?
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we don't need to argue just don't let 762 get the server files. We're mean you should know this very well.
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This is discussion about official FH2 award system. You can discuss about it's pros and cons here and about the awards in general.
This is NOT 762 vs. FH2 Awards system arguing thread and this will sure find it's way to /dev/null (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/null) if that discussion continues. If I see any of those posts after this here, thread will be deleted.
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yes ma-am!
Now stop being douches people, and lets get this discussion back to to where it started!
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Ok, I got one. How - about - Knife awards be, the dogtag of the enemy killed. A dogtag with the enemy named etched in it. German, American.... whatever the British used... etc. Instead of a medal/ badge?
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Sounds like a sound idea, but I dread the ensuing 'dogtag' hunters ruining the game like they did in BC2...
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LOL! But the close quarters deserves a medal, and they already get one. Just asking to make it a bit more... immerse. I mean, who gives awards for knife-kills irl, after all. I doubt it will take up most players' past time. But it will mean at close range, players will be more likely to go bayonet than run backwards firing.
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Ok, I got one. How - about - Knife awards be, the dogtag of the enemy killed. A dogtag with the enemy named etched in it. German, American.... whatever the British used... etc. Instead of a medal/ badge?
Because we already designed the Melee Combat award?
pwn 15 or more n00bs in one round using knife, shovel, bayo etc..
(http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/m/awards_s/2021322.png)
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Ya, I know Natty. I am proposing one more like in BF2142. Except it bears the name of the victim. Not necessarily ON the thing, but in your stats.
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Ok, I got one. How - about - Knife awards be, the dogtag of the enemy killed. A dogtag with the enemy named etched in it. German, American.... whatever the British used... etc. Instead of a medal/ badge?
Because we already designed the Melee Combat award?
pwn 15 or more n00bs in one round using knife, shovel, bayo etc..
(http://awards.fh2.ifihada.com/m/awards_s/2021322.png)
I love to use bayonets but I am yet to get a melee combat ribbon :(
no for dogtags there would be too many of them.
btw some server admin registered for an awards server but it is not showing up.
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How about more anti-tank ribbons or medals for infantry using handheld at-weapons? As this is the most difficult, but most valueable task for an infantryman. We already got the ribbon, but how about a medal. Or how about a tank killer gold ribbon for 10 tank killer ribbons?
Referring to the Melee combat ribbon:
I encountered 2 or 3 weeks ago several guys charging at me with bayonets several times, I was like wtf. Crazy people doing everythin for a badge ;) , but that was nice atmosphere though.
What about a purple heart or a kind of "Verwundetenabzeichen" for getting 3 times out of bleed in one life (Or something like that). But that should be only rewarded because of damage taken by enemy fire, or else we may see people some people in locked bases, damaging themselves with grenades or something.
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Remember the Dogtags they squad was going through in SPR, you get something like that. You see a single one, but the said number that gives you the knifing award will give you a bronze, silver, gold dogtag. But each kill is shown as a 'dogtag received' with the person's name.
Perhaps in stats, you can even tell how many times you killed a particular person with knife. So in short, it still shows as Bronze, silver and Gold, but you get alerted each time you do it, because its special. AND you can tell from stats who and how often.
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No words at all
Hope the admins here say something to this...
Ye gods man, I was taking the piss, hence the ;D... ::)
I wouldn't call any ranking system better, because I simply have no clue about these techniques. If you ever have looked into the 762 ranking system and compared it with the official one and could gave me a proof, then I would say that you are rigth. Until this point your posts concerning this topic are just suspicions and a contradiction with your statements posted before (post #302, second line)...
I'd explain my point of view on this, but won't for 2 reasons:
1. It will just result in another wall of text from you in which you'll ask questions which have already been answered.
2. Big Sister is watching.
And finally, I haven't contradicted myself mate, maybe you should reread both posts... ;)
@djinn:Not sure what the revelation was, but I get ya... ;)
On Topic: Guys, if you're going to make suggestions for new awards, wouldn't it make more sense to start a thread in the Suggestions section?
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True... Will repost this there. But I have maxed my number for ballsy suggestions today, so maybe someone else can get the ball rolling. Make it generic, so I dont hijack your thread.
We don't want multiple suggestion threads for Awards.
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Is there something wrong with the awards server? Getting to the websites takes forever and fails sometimes, and the ranked servers get stuck for minutes after a round finishes (probably trying to connect to the awards server), sometimes failing as well.
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Yup something is wrong somewhere...besides I'm still waiting for hslan to change map since ten minutes, the round we've just played registered as if we were only 14, despite finishing the round at 60+ players
EDIT : now it has registered 40 players...seems like it takes age to save the players data...
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The awards-server seems to have had a rough evening and was down quite some time leading to the traffic jam on the game-server side. But everything seems fixed now.
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Yup something is wrong somewhere...besides I'm still waiting for hslan to change map since ten minutes...
So it wasn't just that dodgy Chinese server playing up last night...
Speaking of awards, notice the ever-increasing player number (it's increased by a couple of hundred in the last few days)?
I like to think that at least half that number are new players and not just idiots making multiple accounts...:)
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Leave reality china lone ;D
The Aussie community isn't big enough to get 12+ players so I crash their party and get mah stats up ~160 ping is good - everyone else I know in Aus/NZ gets 400+ ping so IDK what's up there
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It's not that bad, but asides from some of those =lHEROl= guys, there's a distinct lack of teamwork.
A good example is the other night on Ramelle when, for the first time ever, I found myself on the German side.
'Great' I thought, 'I'll finally get to win a round on this stupid map'.
Then, in another first, the Germans lost! And to add insult to injury, not only did we fail to get across the river, but we couldn't even get to the fuckin' bridge! ::)
My ping usually sits around 325-350, which isn't that bad, but when the amount of players goes over 40 or so, my connection goes to complete shit.
The weird part is the ping doesn't go up, but it'll twitch and lag like my ping is over 1000. E.g: I got in a jeep and drove off, went about 5 meters, then it jerked and I found myself standing next to the jeep back where I got into it... :o
Hence the term "dodgy"... ;D
OT: Can't connect to the awards server atm...
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It's not that bad, but asides from some of those =lHEROl= guys, there's a distinct lack of teamwork.
A good example is the other night on Ramelle when, for the first time ever, I found myself on the German side.
'Great' I thought, 'I'll finally get to win a round on this stupid map'.
Then, in another first, the Germans lost! And to add insult to injury, not only did we fail to get across the river, but we couldn't even get to the fuckin' bridge! ::)
My ping usually sits around 325-350, which isn't that bad, but when the amount of players goes over 40 or so, my connection goes to complete shit.
The weird part is the ping doesn't go up, but it'll twitch and lag like my ping is over 1000. E.g: I got in a jeep and drove off, went about 5 meters, then it jerked and I found myself standing next to the jeep back where I got into it... :o
Hence the term "dodgy"... ;D
OT: Can't connect to the awards server atm...
wth it simply have no teamwork at all, I create a squad, nobody joins, even if they join they tends to do their own thing other than trying to obey my orders.
When I gave orders it means it is a serious squad! Seriously, why would you doubt the orders of someone who played 120 hours on awards servers alone... I won't get you killed.
The good players are all on the other side... it is simply impossible.
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Hahah I played with you last night on RC Rommel =)
Yeah there is a distinct lack of teamwork and you get punished for TKs *RAGE*
I was squad leader on Ramelle as Allies and was prone shooting at a squad of German dudes and one of my squad members spawns on me and spawns right in the line of fire so he gets mowed down by me and he punishes!!!!
Still good for fun on their server - **** me that German Tiger squad leader (one of the hero guys) pwned on Ramelle - he had the whole squad spawning off his tiger and he ended up 63 k 1 d and 1st place. Totalize was great last night (?) as well. The 16/32 size maps with 50+ people suck though and everyone quits
Hopefully not too many issues tonight! I'll be on anyway
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Tried the Chinese server in fact on Sunday, playercount was 61 when I joined. My ping varied between 300 and 500, with my lame skillz it was too much for infantry combat (unless I act just as a flagcapping meatshield for SL and rely on grenades for weapons). If the lag went much past 400 ms, jerking around became noticeable. AA gunnery was not worthwhile on such lag, but tanking or AT gunnery was negligible. Spotting for arty was OK with some limitations (quick stand-spot-duck procedure made difficult by the lag). Arty gunnery (no reflexes required) worked like on Euro servers, too bad the guns were already taken :P
I'll keep checking it out, especially if I'm about to play FH2 "too early" (sick leave, bank holiday, boring Sunday) when Euro servers are not yet populated. If anything, China is a huge potential playerbase for FH2.
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Tried the Chinese server in fact on Sunday, playercount was 61 when I joined. My ping varied between 300 and 500, with my lame skillz it was too much for infantry combat (unless I act just as a flagcapping meatshield for SL and rely on grenades for weapons). If the lag went much past 400 ms, jerking around became noticeable. AA gunnery was not worthwhile on such lag, but tanking or AT gunnery was negligible. Spotting for arty was OK with some limitations (quick stand-spot-duck procedure made difficult by the lag). Arty gunnery (no reflexes required) worked like on Euro servers, too bad the guns were already taken :P
I'll keep checking it out, especially if I'm about to play FH2 "too early" (sick leave, bank holiday, boring Sunday) when Euro servers are not yet populated. If anything, China is a huge potential playerbase for FH2.
yea, it is the end of summer holiday so it won't be as populated on weekdays I suppose. Finally you guys know how we Chinese play on the euro servers. (400 ping -ish, plenty of rage when doing infantry)
It is a very huge potential player-base ... I think the awards thing makes people happier for sure. I didn't go awards-hunting in that server (I could go grab a tank and epic-pwn newbies for my tanker silver, but no), my rate of gaining awards is lowest on that server... for sure.
lazy yes played with you. Try not to TK much I didn't TK for many rounds recently. Watch your grenades - don't let them bounce back....
I play as SL to lead new players (and teach them the exploits/secret paths, nah, just joking), hopefully I could retire as I am going back to the US soon. The feeling is very different from the euro servers as most of them didn't played on the Euro/US and adopt quite different tactics on different maps.
btw lazy you got a good ISP, I am in China but I got higher ping than you ! I know 150-ish is the RIGHT ping from China to Australia. 200-ish the right ping from China to USA, 360-ish from China to Germany. In some sense my high ping is abnormal (280-ish from China to China? ridiculous)
The only thing you could do with a high ping is either using MG, tanking (note most high-pingers love tank whoring on euro/US servers), artillery, throw smoke....actually everything except regular infantry combat and flying/AA (Anti-tank is still acceptable).
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What exactly are FH2 points? How are these calculated?
And how many points do you need to gain a rank? Did you deliberately choose to not show the needed points to gain a rank and choose for a % bar?
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Can anyone explain to me why 762 doesn't use official rankings?
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Can anyone explain to me why 762 doesn't use official rankings?
It's explained earlier in this thread.
And if people can't stop talking about it in this thread, even after repeated moderator attempts, then that's the end of this thread.
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