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« Reply #165 on: 04-03-2014, 11:03:15 »
Ukranian troops marched on a Russian-held airbase. Russians fired warning shots into the air.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26430846
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« Reply #166 on: 04-03-2014, 13:03:50 »
Yes, that is a funny story. The russian unmarked forces occupied Belbek airbase over night and the very next morning about 300 unarmed ground staff members want to return to their work. *trollface*





And then, this was funny as well:

Russia Today anchor Abby Martin speaks out against Russian invasion of Crimea 3/3/2014


Meanwhile in Simferopol:

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« Reply #167 on: 04-03-2014, 18:03:30 »
Does anyone know how the Tatars are doing? What are their reaction on the invasion?

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« Reply #168 on: 04-03-2014, 21:03:19 »
Does anyone know how the Tatars are doing? What are their reaction on the invasion?

They are pro Maidan and against Russians.

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« Reply #169 on: 05-03-2014, 00:03:30 »
Does anyone know how the Tatars are doing? What are their reaction on the invasion?

Finnish state news are reporting that some of them are leaving Crimea for safety. They are afraid of what happened to them last time the Russian state was involved.

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« Reply #170 on: 05-03-2014, 08:03:06 »
Meanwhile,

Shit is also getting serious in Venezuela.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26335287

Let's not forget that Maduro always blame foreign hegemony of interfering with his government. We know Venezuela probably has the richest oil deposits in the world after recent discoveries, so he got more reason to. But judging from their incompetence and ignorance, it turns serious matter like managing a country into laughing stock. So disregard! And stay on with Ukraine-Russia pls.

If you want socialism, make it for the whole country, involving every citizens of the country, not just a populism show-off. These days, they are all about groupies, gangs, and mobs. The poorer and stupider the country, the worse these narrow collectivism attitude. They are watching too much American politics.

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« Reply #171 on: 05-03-2014, 18:03:19 »
Does anyone know how the Tatars are doing? What are their reaction on the invasion?

The leader of the Crimean Tatars said he was assured by Turkish officials that if something happened to the Tatars, Turkey would intervene.
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« Reply #172 on: 05-03-2014, 20:03:24 »
Does anyone know how the Tatars are doing? What are their reaction on the invasion?

The leader of the Crimean Tatars said he was assured by Turkish officials that if something happened to the Tatars, Turkey would intervene.

I wouldnt want Turkey to get in a war, because it is the last thing we need right now, but oh well, if needed, we'll surely go.

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« Reply #173 on: 05-03-2014, 21:03:33 »
Does anyone know how the Tatars are doing? What are their reaction on the invasion?

The leader of the Crimean Tatars said he was assured by Turkish officials that if something happened to the Tatars, Turkey would intervene.

I wouldnt want Turkey to get in a war, because it is the last thing we need right now, but oh well, if needed, we'll surely go.

I don't think they mean war, I think what they mean is the Turkish Navy and Navy SF evacuating Crimean Tatar's and bringing them to Turkey just like we did with EU/Turkish citizens in Libya and Lebanon.
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« Reply #174 on: 06-03-2014, 10:03:11 »
How come Putin is portrayed as the bad guy here. The EU/US did agree to a temporarily Ukr. government that included Yanukovych. Now the government only consist of the former opposition making it a coup d'état after the fact.
The US/UN has started war on shakier grounds than that (Fuzzy pictures with make believe WMD's storage location).


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« Reply #175 on: 06-03-2014, 13:03:27 »
How come Putin is portrayed as the bad guy here. The EU/US did agree to a temporarily Ukr. government that included Yanukovych. Now the government only consist of the former opposition making it a coup d'état after the fact.
The US/UN has started war on shakier grounds than that (Fuzzy pictures with make believe WMD's storage location).

Actually you have to give credit to Putin/Russians where its due. They haven't really shown any hostile intent (soldiers without ammo, the "polite" troops not keeping a magazine in their weapons to avoid being seen as hostile etc) nor did they show any intention that they'll be occupying indefinitely. Its a better occupation than NATO could have dreamed of, if we'd done the same there would've been shootouts at one point sooner or later.

I'm pretty sure this will all be over sooner or later, a post modern "bloodless" coup. The Poles and whatnot with their troop movements are just overreacting. Russia has no intention to have a stand-off with a NATO member. To me it seems like some countries are just trying to poke Russia.
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« Reply #176 on: 06-03-2014, 13:03:51 »
As citizen of Russian Federation, I can be preconceived. But... I will not choose side in that socalled "conflict of interests". All I understand, politics (US, EU, Russian) still measure whose cock is longer. It was and always be. For random ppl, as me, these event means two things: ruble is (our currency) falling, food prices getting higher.



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« Reply #177 on: 06-03-2014, 14:03:53 »
How come Putin is portrayed as the bad guy here. The EU/US did agree to a temporarily Ukr. government that included Yanukovych. Now the government only consist of the former opposition making it a coup d'état after the fact.
The US/UN has started war on shakier grounds than that (Fuzzy pictures with make believe WMD's storage location).

Actually you have to give credit to Putin/Russians where its due. They haven't really shown any hostile intent (soldiers without ammo, the "polite" troops not keeping a magazine in their weapons to avoid being seen as hostile etc) nor did they show any intention that they'll be occupying indefinitely. Its a better occupation than NATO could have dreamed of, if we'd done the same there would've been shootouts at one point sooner or later.

I'm pretty sure this will all be over sooner or later, a post modern "bloodless" coup. The Poles and whatnot with their troop movements are just overreacting. Russia has no intention to have a stand-off with a NATO member. To me it seems like some countries are just trying to poke Russia.

Is it okay to send troops into a sovereign country as long as you don't have your guns loaded?

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« Reply #178 on: 06-03-2014, 14:03:04 »
How come Putin is portrayed as the bad guy here. The EU/US did agree to a temporarily Ukr. government that included Yanukovych. Now the government only consist of the former opposition making it a coup d'état after the fact.
The US/UN has started war on shakier grounds than that (Fuzzy pictures with make believe WMD's storage location).

Actually you have to give credit to Putin/Russians where its due. They haven't really shown any hostile intent (soldiers without ammo, the "polite" troops not keeping a magazine in their weapons to avoid being seen as hostile etc) nor did they show any intention that they'll be occupying indefinitely. Its a better occupation than NATO could have dreamed of, if we'd done the same there would've been shootouts at one point sooner or later.

I'm pretty sure this will all be over sooner or later, a post modern "bloodless" coup. The Poles and whatnot with their troop movements are just overreacting. Russia has no intention to have a stand-off with a NATO member. To me it seems like some countries are just trying to poke Russia.

Is it okay to send troops into a sovereign country as long as you don't have your guns loaded?

The fact that unmarked gunmen were able to take a whole area over night, without any reaction from any Ukrainian law enforcement or military outfit really says just how careless everyone was in Kiev. You think a military that has its shit together would let men with no form of identification take over something as big as Crimea? Sure the Government collapsed, but the military is supposed to step in during that time, the Ukrainian military did not, and the Russian did.

I'm not exactly supporting the occupation but I think this story is more about the incompetence of Ukrainians officials getting caught with their pants down rather than the big bad Russians. Imagine if an area within a NATO country was occupied so easily, without a shot. That country would have some explaining to do.

EDIT: I don't know, maybe I'm thinking too "Turkish" (Turkish tanks and APC's would secure every street corner in the country within 24 hours of a Government collapse) when it comes to these ex-USSR states, I could be very wrong but at least I know the rights a military has and what rights they don't have. The Ukrainian's did two mistakes, one is they used local conscripts to man the bases in Crimea. Locals will always have problems performing their duties when it comes to their own neighborhoods and streets, the second mistake precedes the first and is just as important. Ukrainian military should have sent out patrols and secured airports, Government buildings and Police headquarters/stations the second the Government collapses, and should've responded immediately to reports of masked gunmen taking important landmarks in the area. Had they responded faster, they wouldn't have been in the corner they're in now. The law is on their side, not only do they have the right to reinforce public order but it is also their duty once the civilian leadership collapses.
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« Reply #179 on: 06-03-2014, 15:03:27 »
Listen to the majority of people in Crimea!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26465962#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa

They want to join Russia.

According to Ukraine's interim government:

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Ukraine's new interim government does not recognise the leadership in Crimea - which was sworn in at an emergency session while the building was under siege from pro-Russian armed men last week.

A spokeswoman for Acting President Olexander Turchynov said those in charge in Crimea "are forced to work under the barrel of a gun and all their decisions are dictated by fear and are illegal".

Anyway, regarding pretenses, I agree with neutral position here. Speaking about the Ukraine alone, both sides are dicks. It is okay to protest things loudly. But they did staged a coup IMO, the police in Kiev was fed up and let go the security of the MP building, and some of the protesters entered the building, then probably (speculating) under the threat of Maidan most brazen protesters, they yielded to their demands and ousted the Yanukovich regime.

Crimea and most of the Eastern parts of Ukraine probably also faced the same problem: They were under heavy Russian influence and tribalism attitude forced them to lean on Russian authorities. But I would see their voice, despite using similar heavy handed tactics, are as legitimate as Ukraine's current interim government. Moreover, the land has been historically tied to the Tatars and Don Cossacks, and then Russia, and then given to the Ukrainian, just recently. The tribalism attitude however, doesn't really help the image of Russian immigrants everywhere.

Speaking about Russia, they are dicks, just like what US did to Iraq. But I see that Russia is concerned about Russian speaking people there, which is quite a legitimate concern. Moreover, it has a military base there, which could face serious reprisal if anarchist branch of Euro Maidan protesters reach Crimean region.

I can imagine American military personnel doing the same in their foreign military bases, when facing similar situation, but with much less welcome. Basically, what they did in Crimea was like what if Hawaii was given to Japan, and then something went wrong with Japanese politics, so US Navy troops in Pearl Harbour fanned out to Honolulu and other towns in Oahu to secure the situation. From what I see in photographs, Russian's Sevastopol base is unlike Guantanamo, it is not a maximum security prison-style enclave, but more like integrated military base within the city.

Aaaanyway, my American boss is a former member of National Guard, he was stationed in Okinawa. CNN covered an anti-US base demonstration of local residents. They showed violent scenes of protesters throwing paints, rocking the perimeter fences. He got a call from his mom, with worried voice. In reality, he said that the protesters were really polite. They did threw paint on the guard post, but they clean it before leaving. The CNN didn't show the protesters sweeping and wiping still-wet paint from US military base's guard post building.

In printed edition of our biggest newspaper, Kompas, showed Ukrainian soldier playing football in front of the Russian on watch. Here is other source:

http://knlive.ctvnews.ca/soccer-diffuses-tense-standoff-between-russian-ukrainian-troops-1.1714095