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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1230 on: 01-10-2011, 00:10:13 »
Ok ive played it for three rounds and im not entirely convinced. Fristly because i quited after having played it for maybe an half hour, secondly because.. well, ive played bfbc2 and it feels like.. the same.
It seems like it will be a good solid game though, but i dont know if its my type of game yet.
Wait till you play Caspian Border. I played like 10 rounds on it before they remove it. It's BF2, but an EVOLVED BF2. You truly get the BF feeling on that map, with the random and epic moments  ;D. Like 2 jets colliding in the air <3
What if you never really liked BF2 and only bought it for FH2?
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1231 on: 01-10-2011, 00:10:04 »
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What if you never really liked BF2 and only bought it for FH2?
It feels more like Crysis 2 while being BF2. It's awesome.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1232 on: 01-10-2011, 00:10:18 »
I finally was able to try it on my computer... my computer seems to rush a little bit, but servers are quite laggy... seems also better than on Xbox

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1233 on: 01-10-2011, 01:10:06 »
Wait till you play Caspian Border. I played like 10 rounds on it before they remove it. It's BF2, but an EVOLVED BF2. You truly get the BF feeling on that map, with the random and epic moments  ;D. Like 2 jets colliding in the air <3
Yes, if "Battlefield" means jets colliding in mid-air to you BF3 might be your game, but if "Battlefield" means
-game innovations (massive combined arms battles that are set in innovative theatres for example);
-mod and map support so you have tons of fun with it even years after you´ve bought the vanilla game (what would the BF franchise be without mods?);
-easy and fun game mechanics (you play with what you have and don´t have to bother with extra crap such as shiny "medals", virtual "ranks", tons of weapon unlocks that make game goals unimportant because in the end only your virtual rank and the tons of shit you´ve unlocked for your guns and vehicles count);
-balance (hardcore grinders seem to have an advantage over the casual player, for example in vehicles);
-no extra "social" platforms that promote e-penis comparisons even more";
-no extra online platform with highly dubios EULAs (users agree not to take part in class-action lawsuits against EA (speaks for itself); Origin is allowed to scan your whole computer, what hardware you use, what software you have installed, what software you deinstalled etc. and even sell your data so they can make even more profit with it by using it for advertisements);
then you might get disappointed with BF3. There´s a reason why every official BF3-FB post has tons of complaints and a good number of Battlefield "vets" in different BF communities canceled their preorders or are even highly sceptical of what DICE/EA will present us.

Don´t get me wrong, I´d love to play BF3, but DICE/EA presented no "innovative" features for the game that convinced me to buy it and with all the facts we´ve seen so far it doesn´t deserve to be called a "BF2 sucessor" because things that made the Battlefield series so unique to me have been removed or spoiled with stuff I´d expect in CoD or MoH but not in a "Battlefield" game.
Also keep in mind that except for the "SaK"-mappack and the two beta maps we haven´t seen any other maps yet, so who says we´ll see many 64-players CQ maps?
But these are just my two cents as someone who questions what he´s being presented with. I´m sure someone very special (someone really special)will now call me a troll again, but seeing the communities reactions on FB, in this forum and on other homepages I feel like I´m not the only one who looks past shiny graphics.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1234 on: 01-10-2011, 01:10:06 »
It feels more like Crysis...

I'm not sure whether that is actually a plus. After I had played the Crysis demo, I had decided not to buy it.

I viewed some of the beta videos, and it mostly reminded me how horribly annoyed I was after about 6 month with BF2. Then came Special Forces, and it was a waste of money at all.

Curreently BF3 looks like BF2 with improved graphics to me.

What I laughed about most, were the dials in the sight. You could probably hide an elephant behind those dials.

Enemy ahead! - Where? - Ahead, open console, type Hud_0! - Damn, I can't see shit.
[You've been killed by an enemy hidden by dials]




But maybe you can be glad it doesn't look like this:
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« Reply #1235 on: 01-10-2011, 01:10:21 »
^ Yes but the graphics.... and the medals... they are so shiny....  ::) (like those flashlights and lasers that blind you...  :P)
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1236 on: 01-10-2011, 09:10:23 »
I´m sure someone very special (someone really special)will now call me a troll again
Nope, I won't :) because this thread is maybe the most sensible thread you've written. At least you listed down specific feature and want to discuss them. Except that you twist and skew all the things in that list so it just becomes "troll-biased", I guess because you want to shine a negative light on the game and its features, if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, then good for you.

The whole "Battlefield means" argument, the thing you seem to miss, is that all that is now re-newed. What Battlefield "meant" for people 6 years ago is different now. Updated, enhanced, because the leap in design- and tech evolution this game brings. Or should I say, this experience brings. as BF3 is more than a just a "game".

Yes, if "Battlefield" means jets colliding in mid-air to you BF3 might be your game, but if "Battlefield" means
-game innovations (massive combined arms battles that are set in innovative theatres for example);
BF3 has quite a lot of real game innovations, the fact that you list "innovative theatres" as an innovation is a bit funny. Im not going to list all the innovations in BF3, you know them already. At least what dice revealed or what you saw in the beta

-mod and map support so you have tons of fun with it even years after you´ve bought the vanilla game (what would the BF franchise be without mods?);
It would be just as fine a franchise as it is now. In case you wonder, only 3 years of the 10 years of Battlefield have had "mod support". Only 3 games out of 8 (PC games) had mod support ;) shocking news? BF franchise isnt a "moddable" gaming franchise, only bf42, BFV and BF2 were. The last Mod tool was released in 2005... 6 years ago.. still people think that that's a core BF thing?

-easy and fun game mechanics (you play with what you have and don´t have to bother with extra crap such as shiny "medals", virtual "ranks", tons of weapon unlocks that make game goals unimportant because in the end only your virtual rank and the tons of shit you´ve unlocked for your guns and vehicles count);
OK, now you forgot what to write. What does "easy and fun game mechanics" have to do with the persistence system? :) Game mechanics is what you do ingame lik running, driving, shooting, the game mode etc.. persistence is the meta system, which DICE now integrated in to a social platform as welll. DICE is very nice towards their players, because players want persistence in their games today, so they went the extra mile and created the richest system made.
Listen to the producers themselves, why they gave you this system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EHaJZtMQ

-balance (hardcore grinders seem to have an advantage over the casual player, for example in vehicles);
Name a game where grinders don't get an advantage? Especially explain how people can grind without also develop skill & knowledge, and how those are not advantages in other games, and why they shouldnt be ;)

-no extra "social" platforms that promote e-penis comparisons even more";
So you are asking people in the year of 2011 if they'd prefer a game without leaderboards and social platforms? "ok" ;) no comment.. just.. wow :) I guess you wonder if people want the game to be just the game? you play it, close it, and nothing gets stored anywhere. The only value, is what happens hear & now when you play? Or how did you see this game? this "pure" game of yours, without social platforms? And if you watched the persistence system explanation video I posted ^ also explain why the game would be better without all the new ways for players to interact with eachother and join eachother, as that's going to make things like clan-wars and tournaments easier. don't you... want players to play together with friends? Or is it best that we do it like in 2005, we install 3rd party VoIP systems and send eachother the IP numbers to what server to join? :)

-no extra online platform with highly dubios EULAs (users agree not to take part in class-action lawsuits against EA (speaks for itself); Origin is allowed to scan your whole computer, what hardware you use, what software you have installed, what software you deinstalled etc. and even sell your data so they can make even more profit with it by using it for advertisements);
Tinfoil hat crew will agree with you, the rest will just lol and say "get over it"
Let me give you an example: You ever been to a vacation in another country? Well, if you go, by plane, you need to go through airport security, this can be a tough experience (if you're paranoid), you need to remove your belt, empty your pocket, they X-ray your bags, you need to go through metaldetector etc..
All this, is a price you pay to be able to fly plane to Bahamas, Mallorca, Asia or South america. :) you can choose to stay home, but then you're missing out on the sun and beaches. Same thing here; You need to install Origin to "fly" to BF3. Look at it as the travel-agency, airport and airline, all wrapped up in one. The actual resort is the game, all the rest is the platforms that take you there.

There´s a reason why every official BF3-FB post has tons of complaints
that is because fans of computer games dont bother with positive feedback ;) if they dont have anything negative to say, they dont say anything. And how big percentage of the total playerbase are making negative FB comments? id say 0.001% (guys like you)
and a good number of Battlefield "vets" in different BF communities canceled their preorders or are even highly sceptical of what DICE/EA will present us.
You're so transparent it's almost cute  :-* You've read in a bunch of other BF forums, and you've picked up a few comments which you can use as argument as people being "sceptical".... this is bonafide forum trolling what you're doing. I can go to any BF forum and pick up negative comments, it's easy.. there are always some who dont like a game. When you read these comments here and there, do you believe that they are a good representation of the overall player opinion, or do you believe that it's just them, a couple of dudes on some forum? Im overly excited in what you will answer on this. :)
How many are we talking btw? 20?.. 40?... Sad that the so-called "vets" dont bother more with reading up on what the game actually intendes to deliver, and instead just blindly head in to it, expecting it to be exactly as "they" imagined it. (these "vets" are probably the same people making those funny lists in the BF3 forum) If they were open to new designs and innovations, they'd have a much greater experience :)

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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1237 on: 01-10-2011, 10:10:44 »
we are open to new designs and new innovations. problem is, todays games rarely have them.

If you call a few better graphics and some destroyable buildings wich where already in other games, innovations...

Todays games designed by big companies like EA=
the company and people who get payed to say this=HEY GUYS TRULY THIS GAME WILL BE AWESOME REALLY INNOVATING THIS AND THAT

then you get the game, and you realise=
-it takes things from other games
-it playes like motherfrakking COD(like homefront)
-A few better graphics
-Less and less content then the previous games
-A crappier storyline

Or in the case of blackops=
-A much and much and MUCH improved storyline
-A lighning fast paced Multiplayer of wich even COD players will say=Well screw that...this aint fun
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« Reply #1238 on: 01-10-2011, 10:10:05 »

BF3 has quite a lot of real game innovations, the fact that you list "innovative theatres" as an innovation is a bit funny. Im not going to list all the innovations in BF3, you know them already. At least what dice revealed or what you saw in the beta

The only real innovation I saw was the lasers and flashlights shining in you FACE all the time... The rest all existed in some form in some other game. Oh and you can count that horrible Battlelog idea too (my friend totally agreed on this being horrible... he feels it's becoming like Facebook).


It would be just as fine a franchise as it is now. In case you wonder, only 3 years of the 10 years of Battlefield have had "mod support". Only 3 games out of 8 (PC games) had mod support ;) shocking news? BF franchise isnt a "moddable" gaming franchise, only bf42, BFV and BF2 were. The last Mod tool was released in 2005... 6 years ago.. still people think that that's a core BF thing?

Yes because the modding community made this game into a success... BF 42 probably would not become that popular if it weren't for the mods... Hell I bought BF 2 just to play FH 2! (And I'm sure lots of people did the same, whether for PR or some other mod)

OK, now you forgot what to write. What does "easy and fun game mechanics" have to do with the persistence system? :) Game mechanics is what you do ingame lik running, driving, shooting, the game mode etc.. persistence is the meta system, which DICE now integrated in to a social platform as welll. DICE is very nice towards their players, because players want persistence in their games today, so they went the extra mile and created the richest system made.
Listen to the producers themselves, why they gave you this system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EHaJZtMQ

I kinda agree on this with you, game mechanics don't have a lot in common with persistence... I don't mind the meta system but I don't want the social platform... (another one... sigh)



Name a game where grinders don't get an advantage? Especially explain how people can grind without also develop skill & knowledge, and how those are not advantages in other games, and why they shouldnt be ;)

Yes hardcore grinders get knowledge and skill... But add a lot of "buffing gadgets" on top of that and you have a very unpleasant game experience for a newcomer...(assuming they don't fix the matchmaking - a problem in every BF game that features it)


So you are asking people in the year of 2011 if they'd prefer a game without leaderboards and social platforms? "ok" ;) no comment.. just.. wow :) I guess you wonder if people want the game to be just the game? you play it, close it, and nothing gets stored anywhere. The only value, is what happens hear & now when you play? Or how did you see this game? this "pure" game of yours, without social platforms? And if you watched the persistence system explanation video I posted ^ also explain why the game would be better without all the new ways for players to interact with eachother and join eachother, as that's going to make things like clan-wars and tournaments easier. don't you... want players to play together with friends? Or is it best that we do it like in 2005, we install 3rd party VoIP systems and send eachother the IP numbers to what server to join? :)

Like I said, I don't mind the leaderboards, but the new "social platform system" couple with the crappy squad system means that it's almost impossible to enjoy a game with a friend (trust me I tried yesterday... when I managed to join him in a server without disconnecting, I ended up in a totally different squad with no option to choose... And the built-in VOIP was not working (at least for me). Again, I'm sure they will fix it... someday.


Tinfoil hat crew will agree with you, the rest will just lol and say "get over it"
Let me give you an example: You ever been to a vacation in another country? Well, if you go, by plane, you need to go through airport security, this can be a tough experience (if you're paranoid), you need to remove your belt, empty your pocket, they X-ray your bags, you need to go through metaldetector etc..
All this, is a price you pay to be able to fly plane to Bahamas, Mallorca, Asia or South america. :) you can choose to stay home, but then you're missing out on the sun and beaches. Same thing here; You need to install Origin to "fly" to BF3. Look at it as the travel-agency, airport and airline, all wrapped up in one. The actual resort is the game, all the rest is the platforms that take you there.

Yes but the airport security won't check out your computer... watch your private photos, documents (digital ones) or try to sell your personal information to make more money! So your argument is flawed... Besides they could have made the game work just fine without that resource hog, but I have a feeling they will use it to spam you with advertisements.



You're so transparent it's almost cute  :-* You've read in a bunch of other BF forums, and you've picked up a few comments which you can use as argument as people being "sceptical".... this is bonafide forum trolling what you're doing. I can go to any BF forum and pick up negative comments, it's easy.. there are always some who dont like a game. When you read these comments here and there, do you believe that they are a good representation of the overall player opinion, or do you believe that it's just them, a couple of dudes on some forum? Im overly excited in what you will answer on this. :)
How many are we talking btw? 20?.. 40?... Sad that the so-called "vets" dont bother more with reading up on what the game actually intendes to deliver, and instead just blindly head in to it, expecting it to be exactly as "they" imagined it. (these "vets" are probably the same people making those funny lists in the BF3 forum) If they were open to new designs and innovations, they'd have a much greater experience :)

Yes it might be a tiny amount of people... But there's a lot of them that simply don't have the time or will or see it pointless to write on the Internets on the flaws of a game. I'm sure if EA releases a survey about the beta they will get a lot of negative (as well as positive feedback) which will help to improve the game.
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Re: Battlefield 3
« Reply #1239 on: 01-10-2011, 10:10:46 »
Yes because the modding community made this game into a success...
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« Reply #1240 on: 01-10-2011, 10:10:26 »
Nope.avi

OK I'll rephrase that: Because the modding community made the game into an even bigger success, and improved the longevity of the game. (But I don't think EA is concerned about the longevity anymore).
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« Reply #1241 on: 01-10-2011, 11:10:59 »
Fancy-pancy propaganda speech.

"I wont play any beta, if they upload a proper demo Ill might check it out, otherwise Ill wait for reviews from people who actually can analyze and review games, it's not like what you say would make me download or not download a demo lulz.  8)"

Sounds familiar, right? You wrote that in the RO2 thread and now it fits right into my view of BF3.
In the end every discussion with you about that game is pointless. I stand to what I said and no matter how much propaganda you spit out I won´t bother with this game, especially when it comes with such arbitrary EULAs.
Call me a tinfoil hat fanatic, but I won´t give my computers data into the hands of some faceless corporation that can do whatever they want with it and even sell it so they can make more money after I´ve paid them the full price for the game. If that´s the "future of gaming", then no thanks. I won´t "book this flight" and rather take "other destinations" without bothering about your Orwellian EULAs that make a TSA security check seem less unbearable.
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« Reply #1242 on: 01-10-2011, 11:10:48 »
Oi aslong as they fuck off from my essays and stuff im totally fine with them reading my game info. Doesnt Steam do exactly the same?
Its one of the reasons why i waited so long with 3e party stuff, but without it im lost now.

Ok Bf3 btw is an enjoyable shooter, but just one more wich isnt worth 50€. 25, 30€ might be a better price.
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« Reply #1243 on: 01-10-2011, 11:10:17 »
Interesting read about the differences between Steam and Origin EULAs.
I´d take this article more serious than some biased guys opinion who tries to sugercoat this issue with improper analogies.
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« Reply #1244 on: 01-10-2011, 11:10:01 »
I don't know about you guys, but you may over-anticipate games.

Like movies, there are ALOT of regualr games, and only a few revolutionary ones that come like once in 3 years...

If you spend so much time reading game articles, you'd buy into the crap that the next game coming out will change the face of gaming forever...

I await BF3, not because I expect it to live up BF42 and Bf2, its a diffeent time. A very different time. We could mod games then, the engines were simpler. We can't now for the most part. Its like carts versus cars. Once upon a time, you could build your own carriage/ cart... Now you must buy a car. No DIYs

I'm waiting for BF3 for storyline and experience - Fullstop. I play, I enjoy the witty dialogue, I enjoy the twists, I hope the gameplay is fun enough for me to keep enjoying the game, and if it is fun enough, I play it once or twice more.

And maybe, I may go online to play there too...

But I enjoy it like I would a COD game, or just another romantic comedy. For its duration. Then I say, that was nice and look for the next best thing

If the next revolutionary game comes along, so be it... But I am not waiting for another Avatar, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings (Movie references), COD1, BF42 (Game ref:s) any time soon.

That's how you get disenchanted.