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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #870 on: 14-09-2013, 20:09:48 »
My story proves nothing, I'm saying that skill is not really a factor in either game mode but that the true difference is what tactics you use and how much you bother with them. I play WT mostly just for some quick rounds in between stuff, so I want action instead of realism. Anyone can learn approach and evasion tactics (sure, some to more effect than others), it's just a matter of how much time and effort someone is willing to spend learning and perfecting those. I for one don't have the patience in this game.

You pretend AB is just like clicking a mouse button but it too requires special tactics and manouvring, just ones of a different manner. You can still abuse physics to some extend (slowing down while being chased) and the only way to survive the clusterfuck is to fly around constantly watching your surroundings and avoiding tunnel vision while attacking.

Personally I could easily get good at HB if I wanted to, but I just find the realism too boring. I willingly choose action, and it doesn't make me a lesser player than HB people pretending to be elitsts.

So playing the game doesn't require any skill at all, if you want to be good? Isn't using proper tactics and situational awareness a skill too? That you failed in your two mentioned situations shows, that you fail to use the abilities of your planes, nothing else. And McCloskey explained you what you did wrong. What you like has nothing to do with, what is harder to master. And yes, compared to HB are the AB simply chaos, a big pile up of crashers and just spray'n'pray. This is the thing that I was talking about. What you prefere as a player is something totaly different.

You like it fast and easy (quick games), I like it more tactical and "slow" (longer games). But this doesn't change anything about the difficulty of the gamemode. A FRB player might be laughing his ass off about HB players and I can understand that. It requires alot more skill to master this gamemode with a joystick, very limited cockpit view and all the other stuff. I hope the problem  - if there is anything - is a bit more clear now. It has nothing to do with elitism or what else. It is just as it is - different gamemodes -> different difficulty. Or why do you think that so many new HB players rip off their wings on the first flight or even crash while taking off for the first time?

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #871 on: 14-09-2013, 20:09:50 »
I can't get into the 410s personally. I've got one and they are like retarded ducks in the sky.
Say that to the 6 kg a second of lead and explosives ripping your plane apart  ;D
8.1 kg on the last version.

The dual 20 and 30mm are pure rape
things turn into fire balls when they attack me head on, even at ranger of like 800meter, also it has lots of ammo somehow.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #872 on: 14-09-2013, 21:09:30 »
So playing the game doesn't require any skill at all, if you want to be good? Isn't using proper tactics and situational awareness a skill too? That you failed in your two mentioned situations shows, that you fail to use the abilities of your planes, nothing else. And McCloskey explained you what you did wrong. What you like has nothing to do with, what is harder to master. And yes, compared to HB are the AB simply chaos, a big pile up of crashers and just spray'n'pray. This is the thing that I was talking about. What you prefere as a player is something totaly different.

You seem to miss my point although I must admit I didn't make it that clear before: I mean that one player will be rougly as good in one gamemode as he will be in the other. The difference between the two modes and which one is chosen is based on the mentality of said player. I myself have a good sense of overwatch, don't panic easily and am pretty thoughtfull when it comes to dogfighting. All this means is that I get 80% win ratio in AB, and perhaps 70% in HB because it's a bit less opportunistic. Doesn't mean that one mode totally rocks and is incredibly hard while the other is childplay.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #873 on: 14-09-2013, 22:09:36 »
@Sander:

Thatwhy you spend all your ammunition on one target without killing it ... what you tell and what you claim is only your imagination, nothing else. How I said, claiming something is something different than achieving it. You just sound like one of those self overestimating guys. That people are roughly as good in one gamemode as in another is total nonesense as those gamemodes work totaly different. I will not explain why, as you seem to know it better. If I join FRB one day I will suck. That's fact. Your logic is only working in one direction. A good FRB player will be good in HB and so he will be in AB. But not the other way ... hands down.

I am not a good WT player btw - I suck to be more clear, but I play quite often with good players. I play this game since it became open beta. And no, newcomers who join HB for the first time usually suck. I will not ask you, how much time you spend in HB to tell me, wich gamemode is harder.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #874 on: 15-09-2013, 02:09:05 »
Here we go, I'm drunk, in my underpants, ready to go to bed and in a -snip- queue for four minutes just to join the battle.

Third shit HB match I ever played.



Hope I prove my -snip- point now.


PS it was -snip- boring.
Flew towards their formation for 5 minutes, spent 3 minutes blowing stuff up, spent another 5 minutes flying back to formation only to have the round ended because team had lost all aircraft. Yeah this is great bro. Super leet skills required and shit.
« Last Edit: 15-09-2013, 10:09:49 by Sander93 »

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #875 on: 15-09-2013, 02:09:01 »
I also prefer AB, just got 100k battle trophies! :D

And still I simply hate this "1st bullet kills pilot" lucky shot... I wish pilots were immortal...

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #876 on: 15-09-2013, 02:09:27 »
Sander, wich point have you proven? That you like AB more? I have no problem with that, and it is your right to do so. That you can shoot down three planes in one HB game, with three bots and without any clan squads? Well done dude, maybe you have talent.

The result of my first round HB looked quite similar btw, but it doesn't change the fact that FRB is more difficult than HB and AB. I spend alot of time with the game, so one table proves nothing as I looked on alot of different result tables. I will let it up to your imagination, what is more difficult and what not.

Over and out  ;)

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #877 on: 15-09-2013, 02:09:40 »
The amount of e-penises in this thread is too damn high!
He was not wrong. Amateurs talk tactics, pros talk logistics.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #878 on: 15-09-2013, 05:09:15 »
The amount of e-penises in this thread is too damn high!
definitely over 9000.

What do you guys think of the Do-217. I think it's complete shit. But when I play against it, it is immortal, can out turn any fighter plane and turn and then pursue and destroy my fighter after I've had a dive and going 500++

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #879 on: 15-09-2013, 09:09:08 »
Wich model do you mean? The heavy fighter or the bomber model?
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #880 on: 15-09-2013, 09:09:31 »
Saving up for my first jet. The HE 162

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #881 on: 15-09-2013, 19:09:15 »
Wich model do you mean? The heavy fighter or the bomber model?
Heavy fighter.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #882 on: 15-09-2013, 19:09:24 »
Its a fine heavy fighter IMO. It has its set of advantages over the beaufighter. Also much better defensive armament
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #883 on: 15-09-2013, 19:09:38 »
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #884 on: 15-09-2013, 19:09:36 »
Just Curious, witch one of you guys is Sex-bomb?
[QPS]Sex_Bomb most likely.
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