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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Risveglio on 10-06-2010, 20:06:25

Title: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Risveglio on 10-06-2010, 20:06:25
Forgotten Hope ..... Best war game in the world, realistic, beautiful! I played well the first and often I was the stronger team (without cAMP).
Curious ....... but why is that good things and weapons like guns, machine guns fixed, and everything else without precision optics, are zooming by pressing the right mouse button? The maximum of this game is pure reality. You can not remove the zoom without optical precision weapons?
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Natty on 10-06-2010, 20:06:53
You want it to be like in TF2 or Battlefield Heroes?
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Cadyshack on 10-06-2010, 21:06:31
I don't think that's what he means, Natty. Just the bit of zoom when aiming down iron sights.

I think it portrays the fact that you are in a higher state of concentration at a target you're attempting to aim at.

It also depends on the weapon. Rifles and light machine guns are capable of long range shooting compared to SMGs. So, a tad more zoom to them.

Besides, the zoom isn't anything like the optics, and with those optics you get those very helpful crosshairs that aren't blocked by a part of the gun that much.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Flyboy1942 on 10-06-2010, 21:06:33
The thing about the zoom is that you should be able to see at that zoom level normally, but the constrictions of the computer screen mean you cant fit the full field of human vision.

Look straight forward and notice how far to either side you can see. Now, look at the field of vision on your screen ingame. The game trys its best to squeeze what you can naturally see into that little box in front you. When you "zoom" in game you're not actually zooming, just removing the restriction of the screen to see at a more natural level.

Also, the idea of "focusing" in on a target comes into play as Cadyshack said.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 10-06-2010, 22:06:07
You want it to be like in TF2 or Battlefield Heroes?

Well now you are just being an asshole.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: djinn on 10-06-2010, 23:06:24
*suppressed chuckle* that said, harsh as it sounds, it is a valid Rhetorical question.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: hslan.Corvax on 11-06-2010, 01:06:24
I think he asks why it IS zoomed if you dont have a scope and not why its NOT ...

As far as i understand he wants the slight zoom to be removed when aiming down the sights. Actually a nice suggestion as i find ..
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: VonMudra on 11-06-2010, 02:06:16
Try this.  Look at an object.  Then find a gun like prop (metal tube, coke can, whatever), and sight down it, one eye closed, focusing on a single spot.  It will actually look zoomed ;)
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Oddball on 11-06-2010, 04:06:49
Try this.  Look at an object.  Then find a gun like prop (metal tube, coke can, whatever), and sight down it, one eye closed, focusing on a single spot.  It will actually look zoomed ;)
Your just drunk. The bullseye always looks like the same small miserable thing whether i'm looking at it through the sights or not...  ::) Or maybe that's because I just remove it with my first shot everytime.. ;)
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Flyboy1942 on 11-06-2010, 06:06:37
Did everyone just ignore my post? :P

Still think removing it would be an unrealistic hinderance.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Ts4EVER on 11-06-2010, 06:06:13
I always thought that was to get a tunnel view like situation.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Natty on 11-06-2010, 08:06:05
You want it to be like in TF2 or Battlefield Heroes?

Well now you are just being an asshole.

I thought he wanted us to disable the right-click zoom. then it would be like TF2 and BFH, where you cant zoom, you just shoot.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Risveglio on 11-06-2010, 18:06:55
I see the strange idea of the concentrate and even if the current magnification is exaggerated
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Kubador on 11-06-2010, 18:06:44
For me the ingame zoom is quite natural altho it's an unnatural thing in real life. I agree with flyboy that it's there to recreate your concentration when looking through sights and that you can't see targets on your monitor as good as you'd see then IRL. Also I never heard anyone complining about it.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Risveglio on 11-06-2010, 18:06:31
Mhhhh .... ok so if you see it, I surrender  ;D
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Risveglio on 11-06-2010, 19:06:50
destructible buildings of a future BF3, FH will be unbeatable  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Kubador on 11-06-2010, 20:06:24
Yeah, but first we need Frostbite engine to be mod friendly and have over 1000 chineese coders to do the hard work that is required.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 11-06-2010, 21:06:36
Yeah, but first we need Frostbite engine to be mod friendly and have over 1000 chineese coders to do the hard work that is required.

1000 chinese are cheap...
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Oddball on 11-06-2010, 21:06:59
Yeah, but first we need Frostbite engine to be mod friendly and have over 1000 chineese coders to do the hard work that is required.

1000 chinese are cheap...
Mexicans are cheaper, if you can train them... :P
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 11-06-2010, 22:06:04
Yeah, but first we need Frostbite engine to be mod friendly and have over 1000 chineese coders to do the hard work that is required.

1000 chinese are cheap...
Mexicans are cheaper, if you can train them... :P

Well Chinese are 3 billion...I bet they are cheaper to train and use...Anyways...Destructible buildings and regional damage for vehicles would be cool...But can't happen.Or so i think
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 11-06-2010, 23:06:16
You want it to be like in TF2 or Battlefield Heroes?

Well now you are just being an asshole.

I thought he wanted us to disable the right-click zoom. then it would be like TF2 and BFH, where you cant zoom, you just shoot.

Ohh.......Well now I look like the asshole.  Ah well I am used to it. ;D
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Kev4000 on 12-06-2010, 17:06:28
It represents a smaller field of view.
Unfortunately, a 2D computer screen cannot differentiate between the smaller fields of view and zoom. For that, you'll have to wait for games that beam directly into your brain.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 12-06-2010, 17:06:08
Developers we need you to create VR now.Get to work fast.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Jiggs_Casey on 19-06-2010, 18:06:11
It would be nice if you could model "focus on the front sight tip".  This would bring the front sight into greater focus, but would slightly blur the rest of the FOV.  This is how it works in real life.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Cadyshack on 19-06-2010, 20:06:32
That effect is in game. It may be a tad slight, but it's there.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: psykfallet on 21-06-2010, 16:06:19
I have a sligtly related question; does the k98zf41 zoom more than the normal right click zoom? Doesnt seem like it.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Kubador on 21-06-2010, 16:06:16
No, why would it? It's just different sights.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Die Happy on 21-06-2010, 16:06:34
the ZF41 should be x1,5 zoom (as in real life)
while the real sniper scope ZF4 has x4 zoom (in real life)
i m not really sure if these values have been applied ingame too

not sure how much the "normal" zoom  does but i guess it should be a bit less.

anyways i like the k98zf41 just because it looks and feels awesome and works very well on long range.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: psykfallet on 21-06-2010, 19:06:49
No, why would it? It's just different sights.
umm I'd think a scope would have some point..
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Kubador on 21-06-2010, 19:06:43
Oh, I thought it's just a scope with no optics, you'knaw, for fancy aiming. Mah bad dawg.
Title: Re: Weapons without precision optics
Post by: Flyboy1942 on 22-06-2010, 01:06:07
I want a Kar98kRS With a reflex sight. Cause Red dot sights are the shit.