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Title: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 11-06-2014, 19:06:49
(http://wp.streetwise.co/wp-content/uploads//2014/05/world-cup-2014.jpg)

A thread where gentlemen discuss the world cup.

No vuvuzelas allowed.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 11-06-2014, 19:06:23
http://www.forgottenhonor.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=1485

Forgotten Honor has its own dedicated forum for the World cup. You will find loads of info in there for teams tactics,roasters etc. 
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 11-06-2014, 21:06:37
I predict a South American final between Argentina and Brazil, where Argentina will steal the cup from their arch enemies in a long awaited show given by Messi.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 11-06-2014, 23:06:59
I will drink and salute to no vuvuzelas . Surprisingly the final will be between Belgium and Netherlands.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Eat Uranium on 11-06-2014, 23:06:48
England to go out in the quarter finals via a lost penalty shootout, as is predicted by history.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RommelBr on 12-06-2014, 01:06:12
As a Brazilian, i believe that any country will win the World Cup, other than Brazil. I think Germany will win this time.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 12-06-2014, 01:06:40
Dunno about that, German team seems weaker than the last few times.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Butcher on 12-06-2014, 01:06:11
Dunno about that, German team seems weaker than the last few times.
I´m pretty sure we will get out asses kicked on Monday versus Portugal. We will then make it to the next round by points as 2nd of our group.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Tedacious on 12-06-2014, 02:06:13
made a bet with a group friends on the whole tournament, every correct result gives you points, points for every correct quarter-finalists etc.

I'm actually putting my bets down on Italiy winning, beating Argentina in the finals.

(though I have to admit, I haven't been as updated this world cup as previous international cups)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 12-06-2014, 03:06:40
My bet's on Germany this year.  Because England will do precisely as EU says and I don't want to get my hopes up, I'm cheering most heartily this year for plucky little Belgium. 
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 12-06-2014, 03:06:55


I'm actually putting my bets down on Italiy winning, beating Argentina in the finals.



You are quite generous to be honest, I think Argentina will get eliminated from the Semi Finals by Italy and then beaten 3-0 by the Germans, Spain being the champion.

I don't know, there is no clear favorite. I want an African team in the Semis for a change.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 12-06-2014, 05:06:09
No cheers for Asian team? Same here.

I pick Brazil or Germany, showing that WC finals are always as predictable and boring as ever.

Argentina is one the up cycle as well (1998 - good, 2002 - bad, 2006 - good (lost by penalty shoot-outs only), 2010 - bad (trampled by Germany), so does other inconsistent (almost cyclical) performing team like Italy and France.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 12-06-2014, 09:06:21
Speaking of the World Cup...I feel this documentary needs a mention: Contra A Copa: The Other Side of Brazil's World Cup (Part 1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdUuae1xR5o).
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 12-06-2014, 10:06:45
World rankings of teams at 2014 World Cup:

Spain - world ranking 1st
 Germany - world ranking 2nd
 Brazil - world ranking 3rd
 Portugal - world ranking 4th
 Argentina - world ranking 5th
 Switzerland - world ranking 6th
 Uruguay - world ranking 7th
 Colombia - world ranking 8th
 Italy - world ranking 9th
 England - world ranking 10th
 Belgium - world ranking 11th
 Greece - world ranking 12th
 USA - world ranking 13th
 Chile - world ranking 14th
 Holland - world ranking 15th
 France - world ranking 17th
 Croatia - world ranking 18th
 Russia - world ranking 19th
 Mexico - world ranking 20th
 Bosnia and Herzegovina - world ranking 21st
 Algeria - world ranking 22nd
 Ivory Coast - world ranking 23rd
 Ecuador - world ranking 26th
 Costa Rica - world ranking 27th
 Honduras - world ranking 31st
 Ghana - world ranking 37th
 Iran - world ranking 43rd
 Nigeria - world ranking 44th
 Japan - world ranking 46th
 Cameroon - world ranking 56th
 South Korea - world ranking 57th
 Australia - world ranking 61st

 
Where the hell is Finland :-*

 What the hell is Ivory Coast....and IRAN....your kidding right?



 I like the world cup. We should do a Forum pool & the winner gets to ask endless Eastern Front release questions!

 ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 12-06-2014, 11:06:23
2014 World Cup:

Where the hell is Finland


Football isnt Ice Hockey.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Tedacious on 12-06-2014, 11:06:49
My bet's on Germany this year.  Because England will do precisely as EU says and I don't want to get my hopes up, I'm cheering most heartily this year for plucky little Belgium.
I think germany looks weaker than earlier world cups. Also, the heat of brazil is to be taken into consideration for the northern european countries.
Also, Belgium are kind of favourites, they have a hugely talented team and will be a real joy to watch.



I'm actually putting my bets down on Italiy winning, beating Argentina in the finals.



You are quite generous to be honest, I think Argentina will get eliminated from the Semi Finals by Italy and then beaten 3-0 by the Germans, Spain being the champion.

I don't know, there is no clear favorite. I want an African team in the Semis for a change.
Yeah it's not that I believe that much in Argentina, it just happens the way I predict the knockout stages.
Argentina wins their group, faces off against Ecuador - wins.
Quarter finals: Argentina - France (argentina wins)
Semi finals: Argentina - Germany (argentina wins)
So it's more of a lack of confidence in the other teams. I do always hope for germany of course, but I don't know - gut feeling.

(italy ends up second in their group, therefore not facing argentina before the final)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 12-06-2014, 18:06:11
Yeah it's not that I believe that much in Argentina, it just happens the way I predict the knockout stages.
Argentina wins their group, faces off against Ecuador - wins.
Quarter finals: Argentina - France (argentina wins)
Semi finals: Argentina - Germany (argentina wins)
Fy\ujnny, I have something similar, but it is because I think Messi will finally show what he is capable of in the national team (contrary to what he has shown in the past: good in club, bad in national team), and because everyone is focusing on Brazil and not so much on Argentina. Argentina will be hellbent to win in the homeland of the arch enemy, so that's an extra motivator.

My pool when it comes to Argentina:
Argentina wins their group, faces off against Ecuador - wins.
Quarter finals: Argentina - Portugal (argentina wins)
Semi finals: Argentina - Uruguay (argentina wins)

I think Ghana will come far, too. When Holland gets booted, I will cheer for Belgium.

About the FIFA ranking: it says something, but not everything about the teams. If Holland would play Switzerland 5 times, they will win 4. Same goes for Croatia vs Greece, or Japan vs Honduras.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-06-2014, 18:06:00
Belgium above the netherlands

i bet we will lose first round tough
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 12-06-2014, 18:06:31
I'm kinda curious either Belgium is really as good as is predicted internationally (so i don't mean all the hyping in Belgium), or we just had some luck in the past and we'll drop in the first round. I guess the Brazilian weather won't do much good for us anyway.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: THeTA0123 on 12-06-2014, 19:06:32
we had luck
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 12-06-2014, 19:06:46
I'm kinda curious either Belgium is really as good as is predicted internationally (so i don't mean all the hyping in Belgium), or we just had some luck in the past and we'll drop in the first round. I guess the Brazilian weather won't do much good for us anyway.

Why? 2/3 of our team is african. Heat should be a strong point for us.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 12-06-2014, 19:06:00
idk, is it still an advantage if they are used to European temperatures?

@Theta, well we may be lucky again, you never know. The team is decent, so with some luck, they can do well. I don't think we'll win the WC, but i have hopes we will get somewhere  :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 12-06-2014, 19:06:29
At least Belgium has a good chance to survive group stage :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 12-06-2014, 19:06:22
I think Group H will make for some of the most interesting play.  I'm in it for Belgium but I do have a soft spot for African and Asian teams, so I'd like to see Korea perform (though I imagine they'll be last in their group).

I didn't really stay up to date this year and like Ted said Germany is weaker than I expected... this throws my bracket way off.  At the moment I have a Brazil-Italy final with Brazil taking it.   

To be honest I'm a contrarian at heart and I'd rather not see Brazil win.  That's a bit boring.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 12-06-2014, 21:06:08
Brazil 1st and Argentina as a runner up, mark my words...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 12-06-2014, 21:06:04
Hard to say who will win,but it definitely won't be Argentina.Their team wasn't working as everyone expected during the Copa America.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Tedacious on 12-06-2014, 22:06:56
AFAIK Belgium hasn't been playing that well (they faced the horrendous swedish national team about 2 weeks ago, not convincing). They do have a huge group of young, talented players though. From Jelle Vossen and Lukaku, to Alderweireld and Courtois. Can't wait to watch them.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 12-06-2014, 23:06:23
Ouch Brazil. They clearly have the advantage, but Croatia has some sneaky counters. Neymar is good, but a teamplayer ?? Hope to see Brazil score some more second half.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 12-06-2014, 23:06:22
Brazil clearly shows that they are the superior team. But Croatia also shows why they were once a World Cup Semi Finalist.

That goal by Neymar Jr is a difficult one for sure.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 12-06-2014, 23:06:33
So is this the World Cup of technology? Is that how Brasil plans to win?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 13-06-2014, 00:06:07
Brasil won 4 - 0...  ;)
Cheapest penalty ive seen in a while. I dont really watch football, but ive forgot how easy they fall. It looks like they die everytime someone touches them.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-06-2014, 00:06:41
Brazil clearly shows that they are the home team.
Fixed that for you. How nice that the organising country gets the first atch as a present. If I were Coratian, I'd be furious right now: an undeserved penalty and a deserved goal denied. Shameful display.

I sincerely hope the rest of the matches are more, how can I say this, natural.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 13-06-2014, 01:06:09
Netherlands will lose everything but win against Spain and then get booted and goes home. Belgium will win the world cup.

I know nothing about football.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 13-06-2014, 01:06:30
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Fixed that for you. How nice that the organising country gets the first atch as a present. If I were Coratian, I'd be furious right now: an undeserved penalty and a deserved goal denied. Shameful display.

I sincerely hope the rest of the matches are more, how can I say this, natural.

In all honesty, it was just the penalty, which was cleary non existant. Their disallowed goal was a clear foul by Olic as he jumped and took Brazil's GK off balance, the camera shows it ABSOLUTELY clear.



Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 13-06-2014, 03:06:15
This first match was very awkward.Everyone noticed the penalty and the denied goal.Even our local TV.  :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 13-06-2014, 04:06:27
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Fixed that for you. How nice that the organising country gets the first atch as a present. If I were Coratian, I'd be furious right now: an undeserved penalty and a deserved goal denied. Shameful display.

I sincerely hope the rest of the matches are more, how can I say this, natural.

In all honesty, it was just the penalty, which was cleary non existant. Their disallowed goal was a clear foul by Olic as he jumped and took Brazil's GK off balance, the camera shows it ABSOLUTELY clear.

There is NO FOUL, Julio Cesar was going backwards and hit Olic, he did not collided with Julio Cesar on purpose, it was just a mid-air collision that is NOT a foul UNLESS Olic would have deliberately pushed the Goalkeeper.


This is a foul on the Goalkeeper, a clear one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGvC66kQn4Q

5:18. You can see how he pushes the Goalkeeper that already has control of the ball and scores.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 13-06-2014, 06:06:54
Brazil clearly shows that they are the home team.
Fixed that for you. How nice that the organising country gets the first atch as a present. If I were Coratian, I'd be furious right now: an undeserved penalty and a deserved goal denied. Shameful display.

I sincerely hope the rest of the matches are more, how can I say this, natural.

I will conscientiously agree to that if you acknowledge that the 2006-2010 The Netherlands team is the dirtiest elite team ever.

Anyway, yeah, Brazil is very dirty there, that is why I was rooting for Croatia, but found that they were unable to get enough possession on the ball. Both team has poor defenses. Too bad that their only goal come from a mistake by a Brazilian defender.

The linesmen and the referee was not that good. He gave Croatia's throw-in to the Brazil (the playback clearly shows it was Croatia's ball). He was fooled by the diving player and pointed at the penalty spot. Then, he fouled a player involved in a mid-air collision, annulling a goal.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-06-2014, 10:06:04
I will conscientiously agree to that if you acknowledge that the 2006-2010 The Netherlands team is the dirtiest elite team ever.
FYI, I like football a lot, so I watch as many games as possible. I dislike stuff like I saw yesterday, giving away penalties to certain teams, etc. I like the game to be as "clean" as possible.

I honestly don't know what you agreeing with me on yesterday's match has anything to do with your biased opinion about the Dutch team.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 13-06-2014, 18:06:16
The Dutch team is just, well dirty.

Yesterday, the match officials were just incompetent. Besides Neymar Jr intentionally elbowing a Croatian player (and received a yellow card for it), Fred took the chance to perform a dive in penalty area, and the whole team ignoring last possession by themselves before throw-ins, I don't think the bad reputation should stick to the Brazil team as much as the Dutch team were, back in 2010.

I do really hope Robben can stand properly tonight, and De Jong to stop murdering people around. Good thing most of the defenders in 2014 lineup are new, no longer including Heitinga and van Bommel. Because they have to defeat Spain.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-06-2014, 22:06:38
Lol spain just got their clocks cleaned.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-06-2014, 22:06:28
The Dutch team is just, well dirty.
Still the same opinion?

1-5 against Spain  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'd rather had seen two of those goals in 2010, but well, you can't have it all.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 13-06-2014, 23:06:29
Lol spain just got their clocks cleaned.
by the new clockwork oranje
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 13-06-2014, 23:06:09
That second goal for NL by Robben .. Mamma Mia. This was an very very unexpected pleasant surprise.!! Great play by Blind and Nigel, excellent passes.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-06-2014, 23:06:24
Our 20-24 year old defense was great! The penalty wasn't even a penalty and the remainder of the match Spain got like 4 chances maybe. Great job! A bright future lies ahead for those guys!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Kubador on 14-06-2014, 00:06:53
Van Percy and his flying header. I have to say that oranje played exceedingly well.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-06-2014, 01:06:36
What a pleasing result.

So, aiming for the 1st place eh Dutch? The un-crowned champion?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 14-06-2014, 01:06:18
The Dutch team is just, well dirty.
Still the same opinion?

1-5 against Spain  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'd rather had seen two of those goals in 2010, but well, you can't have it all.

They finally realized that you win matches by playing football, not by trying to disrupt the rivals with dirty, very dirty play like in the finals.

They were about to fall into that old shit when Spain scored the first goal, then found that amazing Van Persie header and calmed down, IF they use their players to PLAY, they are a very good team.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 14-06-2014, 02:06:05
Spain or 5pain? (not my joke though)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 14-06-2014, 03:06:52
^

5pa1n


Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-06-2014, 03:06:11
Grammatically correct:

5 pains
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 14-06-2014, 04:06:29
Well played Dutchies. Anyway, can't stand them  :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-06-2014, 08:06:55
Why? They played really well and quite clean last night. That's how you should disrupt that annoying tiki-taka properly.

As history suggests, Spain also lost its first game back in 2010, but not by this much, but then again, they were against Switzerland, not as strong as the Dutch. Maybe, this is just their baptism of fire. Not too late to catch up for Spain.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 14-06-2014, 13:06:05
Nice to read, Zoo ;)

Surfbird being a German, I can understand why he can'stand us, it's a Germany - Netherlands thing. Deep down in their hearts they are very afraid of us and they know they always won lucky over us, except in 1988 when we won ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Butcher on 14-06-2014, 15:06:00
Didn´t I post this two years ago? Old video but quite fitting. Germany - Holland when it comes to football. This grandma is my hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Xh_xI_VGE

Yet it was nice to see how the dutch team just danced around the spanish defense. The better team definitely won. I have to admit that was the best play I have seen in a long time and better than what the German team delivered in the last weeks.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 14-06-2014, 16:06:21
 So, here is an honest question. What makes a country better in Football(Soccer) than another country?

- Better talent in a geographical area?
- Better physical traits?
- Is it money & corruption?

- Brazil has won 5 world cups & is consistently in the top 10 in the world, why?
- African teams underperform year after year, but win marathons on a regular basis.
- Watching highlights I repeatedly here announcers saying " I don't know why they called that", or "They shouldn't have called that" and not just occasionally....like every other goal.

Corruption is human nature. Apparently Mohamed bin Hammam allegedly bribed voters to win Qatar the right to host the 2022 World Cup. Money talks.....


Joga Bonito ....
 8)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-06-2014, 17:06:58
FIFA is shit if you want to know why. Like many heritages from a long gone imperialistic European era, Sepp Blater, and formula 1 magnates, Bernie Ecclestone try to wash away their own personal prejudiced world view by overly prioritizing troublesome minority countries. In short, image building. They do this by mainly using connections with big powerful (and sometimes corrupt) local officials which they can tolerate to hang out with. This is why we get the ridiculously boring Korean F1 GP that no Koreans watch and World Cup 2022 in such a small country without any football traditions like Qatar (Korea, Japan, and South Africa all have a very big football fandom).

A proper football country must have a proper football culture, or sports culture at least. Indonesia has a big football culture, but it doesn't have that sports culture. USA is the complete reverse, and so does its history in the international football competitions. But as individualism and self-determination goes, USA's self-made soccer team is doing very well and has shown itself why they are worthy among the big elites. Well, if you compare to Central American countries that goes to war because of the sport (see Soccer war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War)). Americans, being arrogant and abrasive, also holds other virtues such as sincerity and passion, hence they succeed in a lot of unfamiliar things.

The other extreme of USA is England, the hyped-up team with a lot of drama. Unlike other dramatic team such as Italy and Argentina, their reputation far exceeds their performance. They cheated when they got the trophy back in 1966, the same cheating that got back at them in 2010, when the referee disallow their goal against the very same team back in 1966. Their EPL is a casino for questionable foreign riches to throw in their dirty money. The EPL is also the bane of the English reputation in football. Pretty much unlike the US's MLS and the story of Australian A-league.

This why USA is one of my favourite teams here. They trampled Spain in 2009 Confederate Cup. I hope they surprise us once again in this event. They are the definitive cheerful underdog worth its own box office movie.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 14-06-2014, 17:06:08
^ Hoping to see USA vs Iran, or USA vs RUSSIA.

The only problem is that there aint no way US will go through, taking out portugal :P

Russia will easily go to the round of 16 though, since THEY managed to be first place in the classifiers in a group with PORTUGAL.


Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 14-06-2014, 18:06:58
African teams..., first things first they have strong players, good individuals but teams just don't work, because for example Cameroon more or less it's "Eto'o + 10". They don't have a good base of players, they thrown in the players that are great in European football (Organized play, no fucking around) and say "Please, do as much as you can", Football is a team-based game, African teams mostly play with individualism.

Still Ghana had a nice performance last WC only to be eliminated by the Uruguayan version of Maradona's Hand of God, Senegal had a good performance in 2006 Germany WC.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-06-2014, 18:06:20
Well, they don't have that much facility to train together, don't they? Talents are found in rural areas, not major cities. Ask Djinn, he is from Ghana. I believe, anywhere besides Accra, a proper training ground are quite rare.

The African players don't have that much time to play together like other teams did. And like Nigeria team, they also under constant pressure from their petty dictators. The best they can hope for is to perform really good, like El Hadji Diouf and Papa Bouba Diop from Senegal in 2002 to attract rich European clubs.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 14-06-2014, 18:06:24
Well, they don't have that much facility to train together, don't they? Talents are found in rural areas, not major cities. Ask Djinn, he is from Ghana. I believe, anywhere besides Accra, a proper training ground are quite rare.


Indeed, their stars such as Eto'o and Drogba are excellent because of their natural talent but also because they were trained by superb teams, coaches and systems in Europe, these made good use of their aabilities. While other African players do perform in "weaker" European Teams.

They rely on their physical abilities, such as strenght, endurance, speed, football isn't about that, You can be fast and strong BUT if you don't pass the ball correctly....

Physically strong teams, tactically weak teams.

A national team that is rising and should be seriously considered is Colombia. It's a shame for them that Falcao isn't playing, but they still have some first-line players among them, had a very very good performance in the qualifiers, oddly it seems quite lost right now vs. Greece.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Sander93 on 14-06-2014, 19:06:37
So, here is an honest question. What makes a country better in Football(Soccer) than another country?

Maybe the population of the country is one factor. I can't speak for other countries but about the Netherlands:
- over 8 million people watched the end of yesterday's match against Spain. That's literally half the population (to be honest I don't even know if this number was merely the number of TV's plugged in, and if it actually accounts for everyone watching at pubs and house parties)
- Dutch people are otherwise quite humble when it comes to nationalism, but the big soccer events are one of the few times everyone loses their minds.
- The one time we got a title (EC in 1988) they nearly destroyed Amsterdam while celebrating.
- Back in 2010 when Spain beat us in the world cup final, we still hailed the Dutch team as heroes even though they got second. 700.000 people came to Amsterdam to celebrate and everyone just pretended we were world champions. This celebration was much bigger than Spain's celebration.

All in all, the Dutch players always know that their entire country is backing them (at least as long as they win lol) and surely that has to give them a lot of motivation.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 14-06-2014, 22:06:34
Say goodbye to the cup Uruguay....

3-1 to Costa Rica, common!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 15-06-2014, 01:06:39
Italy....
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/hdjerry/puke.jpg)
I hate that team more than anything
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 15-06-2014, 01:06:21
Hey Hjaldrgud. Dont forget play our F|H predictions game.

 Bragging rights and a good prize money are on the line.   ;D

http://www.forgottenhonor.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=1485
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 15-06-2014, 02:06:19
Italy plays pretty nice nowadays (almost Dutch, I'd say ;)), their win vs England just now was well deserved. Nice game to watch!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 15-06-2014, 02:06:44
Italy is in the good cycle now mate.

That was a good classic match. England failed to convert many chances, and so did Italy. But what a show from a lot of young talents.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 15-06-2014, 09:06:42
Yeah, I was surprised by Darmian, and Sterling can become a big star in the future!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: hslan.Grim on 15-06-2014, 11:06:24
So, here is an honest question. What makes a country better in Football(Soccer) than another country?

I am not a football fan but always found this an interesting question. I believe there was a study for this a couple of years back (do not have a source thought). Although it mostly looked at where talents in general comes from it did look at football. If I remember correctly for Brazil it came down to poverty and the amount of attention to the sport. A mix of a way to get out of individual poverty, hero worshiping and general interest is what made Brazil win so much.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 15-06-2014, 12:06:26
Probably has to do with the size of the population and the popularity of the game in that country. You need a big pool of people and the most talented athletes need to have an incentive to do that sport and not a different one.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 15-06-2014, 12:06:20
It's also about the infrastructure you've got. The interest for the game does not only make people play the game, it results in football clubs being founded, football fields being around and a lot of money invested into the sport generally. It's not a factor that has the most impact and generally the excitement for football can also make the people play football on the streets or wherever they have got the room, but I think a good infrastructure and football organization contributes to the long term success and the quality of players in Europe.

When you look at some of the African nations who play good football, the biggest problem is often the mess and the lack of professionalism in the national football organization as well as a lack of general infrastructure, not offering courts and opportunities to practice and improve like the youth players in Central Europe can for example. That leaves them to being talanted teams but unable to have a real chance to win a championsship.

So after all money is a factor too.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Mudzin on 15-06-2014, 14:06:46
The main factor of such situation in my opinion:
- individual proffesional approach to the career by the player (choosing better clubs, special diet, physical exercises, etc)
- level of coaching at specific country (especially in lower leagues)
- scouting which should be based on searching talents at lower leagues by specific country top clubs (not buying another decent Balkan player)
- popularity of footbal is less important when in most of the countries it's the no. 1 top sport anyway

I wonder why China haven't got any decent national team, I don't think that nobody plays footbal in that country! :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 15-06-2014, 16:06:43
China, along with India and the US, is a unique situation.  The Economist actually recently published a lengthy article about why these three large nations are not footballing countries.

In China's case, children aren't really very sporty, to generalize.  Studying is emphasized over sport.  So there is very little homegrown talent.  Take a look at the Chinese football league.  They bring in old, foreign talent but it rarely comes to much.  There are plenty of fans in China, but they tend to follow foreign leagues.

China has a very top-down approach to football.  This is excellent in creating gold medals in obscure Olympic events (and women's football teams...) but the lack of any real talent or initiative at large dooms them to having very poor teams.

In India's case, it's because everyone's cricket mad and not very interested in sports otherwise (again, to generalize).
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 15-06-2014, 16:06:37
This is going to be a very long post. But this is my real world experience with professional sports organization.

Yes, it is one of the defining things in a "football country."

Indonesia is a self-declaring "football country" yet it sucked in international competitions. Why? Because we don't have a proper development league and talent scouting. Being a footballer isn't a sound career choice here.

Football is still seen as a crowd-control measures, giving those low-income people something else to look forward in their lives, other than weird religious, political, and economical beliefs. Akin to Roman gladiator show, hence this is why in many shitty governments, football is closely associated with politicians. Association like Julius Caesar controller gladiator show back in the last Roman Republic era.

Governing Bodies
In Indonesia, football is governed by an official government-sanctioned body, but FIFA statutes do not allow such intervention, so it is declared as "independent" de jure. In England, FA is trully independent and acts like a corporation. In Germany, DFB is like a crowd union, akin to NGO, who sanctions its own organization that maintain low-level ties to local (State associations) but not central government. I think this is similar in Portugal (Rand00m can explain more about it).

Indonesia's PSSI models itself after the Netherlands' KNVB (obviously), which is pretty much like DFB of Germany. But in 2010, the fans grew tired of the generally incompetent leadership and mismanagement of the funding, so they brought the case to the government's attention (and to their delight, brought up the case).

Players' and Agents Role
The average local players here earned less than IDR 60 million a year, while foreign players earned much more per month than what most in a year (IDR 80 million a month). This doesn't happen to the league's elite players, which made more money from sponsorships.

Each player is listed in PSSI database, which then reports to FIFA, which then can sanction matches and look after the professional player's welfare and rights. FIFA also state that we must have a player's association, a supposedly very powerful organization that defends the player's rights, so does agents. But in Indonesia, it is a joke and virtually does not exist.

All of these made players practically powerless here, and agents are bypassed very often. Football clubs are funded by regional annual budget, allocated from central government. Each team received a fair amount of IDR 20 billion/year on average. Some clubs also received extra sponsorship from sports apparel companies or local riches who seek to gain popularity, preparing for career in politics. Only 3 clubs is self-sustaining now, 2 of them incorporated itself.

With such mismanagement, it is not rare that players are not being paid regularly. There are clubs that didn't pay its catering fees and accumulated lodging tab for more than 2 years at the time (2010). We thought the problem is over, but this poor Russian footballer must have a second job in selling street-side juice to make a living, he can't even buy tickets back home to meet his family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Aleksandrovich_Litvinov
http://bola.kompas.com/read/2014/06/11/2005030/Pemain.Rusia.Jualan.Jus.Menpora.Beri.Tanggapan

FIFA has been a very strong defender of players' rights. If there is a case involving players against some governing bodies/clubs, players will very likely win. Professionalism, welfare, security, and rights are guaranteed. But not here. Hence, our football team sucks really hard.

Facility
Manchester United boasts a very good playing grounds, fitness facility, swimming pool, baths, saunas, etc etc etc... even small time clubs like Queens Park Rangers at least have a gym. This does not compare to the majority of our clubs. Probably only 3 local clubs owns private gym, but that's about it. The last club that I visited doesn't even have proper lodging, many of its players seek their own place to stay (some stay in relative's house).

It is a public secret that we didn't treat our athletes really well. Indonesia is big on showing-off, 20th century European nationalism is still viewed as "morally good" thing in 2014. But it is as far as empty talk goes. Many of our athletes joined SEA Games (a Southeast Asian friendly mini-Olympic event) with its own pocket money, despite being poor. The Athlete's Central Lodging in Senayan, where they are supposed to stay to mingle together and motivate each other is practically neglected and its conditions is far below safety/hygiene standards.

Learning from the socceroos
My mate from the Australian firm, provided example case of how Australians reformed their soccer organisation and "get right." Basically, it is back to the players again. Since professional sports is all about the player empowerment. The players actually petitioned the government to make an investigation towards Soccer Australia, due to its mismanagement of this branch of sport. The move is also supported Australian shopping center tycoon, Frank Lowy, which backed the result of the independent inquiry. As a result, the Soccer Australia's head resigned himself, citing incompetence, and disband his organization to reform as FFA. Australian government could not interfere directly, but through Frank Lowy and Player's association, and funding AUD 15 million for the whole project.

Their first goal is to move out from OFC to AFC, so Australia can have better chance to qualify to the world cup. The move is a success in 2006.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Alex_Del_Piero_Sydney_FC_2_cropped.jpg/150px-Alex_Del_Piero_Sydney_FC_2_cropped.jpg) Del Piero in Sydney FC

Then re-establishing the A-League, which steadily drew more and more crowds. It was such a success that it attracts old European stars like Alessandro Del Piero that joined Sydney FC in 2012.

The players welfare improved a lot. The league is a self-sustaining commercial success that attracts not only local talents, but also foreign talents, and with it, foreign sponsorship, and foreign media broadcasting rights fee.

Our Reform Attempt in 2010
It started from an oil magnate filing a petition to contest PSSI leadership back in 2010. The reform is supposed to model Australia's reform strategy and hopefully, with Australia's results. One of the differing agenda is the club's funding, which were all planned to be incorporated so they will be more transparent and professional, free from local government budget (tax money), and therefore free from politics. To achieve this, he would like to create a completely new company that will manage the professional league, which stakes are divided amongst the clubs. However, since the politics here isn't Australia, you'll be able to guess how it went.

Unlike Soccer Australia, the old leadership refused to budge, because he is backed by another conglomerate. So instead of reforming, it become a media war between the two tycoons with most of the voices backed the reformer. The stalemate is brought to an end by direct intervention from the central government (ministry of youth and sports, under direct order from the President), who also seeks popularity from the case. FIFA stepped in and put a relatively light sanction on our PSSI due to this intervention. But FIFA stayed away from the debcale, saying that "it is Indonesia's business, they will accept any result accordingly."

The old leadership was forcefully removed, but with money, the old groups briefly recreated the contesting organization, which was closed pretty soon after the government forced both of the parties to negotiate. The official sanctioning body, won by the reformer, was totally reorganised, while the old body is completely liquidated, including its debts (mostly to the conglomerates and companies closely tied with the group). Soon enough, the new league, dubbed Indonesian Premier League (IPL), was launched.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Logoipl.png/150px-Logoipl.png) vs (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/37/Djarum_Indonesia_Super_League.png/200px-Djarum_Indonesia_Super_League.png)

However, the old company that manages the old Indonesian Super League (ISL), under sponsorship from the largest tobacco company, stay afloat, effectively splitting the league into two (ISL and IPL). The players of the other league (ISL) can't play in the national team, despite FIFA stating that they don't care if that "rogue" league is not sanctioned by the new PSSI.

Then in 2013, the PSSI extraordinary congress finally agreed to merge into ISL, and IPL is disbanded. The PSSI structure is still maintained by the reformers, while the media, sponsorship, and everything else is still under the conglomerate that sponsors the old PSSI.

Results? We are still as fucked as ever.

Why we failed?
When the PSSI leadership is contested, the players are out of the picture, since they are afraid that their stance could put an end to their career. The old leader threatens to remove them from the list and revoke their agents' license, one of the players personally told me. Since the players don't know their rights, they stayed put.

Our contesting conglomerate tried to imitate Frank Lowy, which failed, because the opposition lacked the gentleman attitude of Soccer Australia leadership and he also lacked good will to empower the players more instead of steering the case into "national pride" bullshit. He promised too much on "bringing Indonesia to world cup" "making us, Indonesians proud" and all that typical insecure third world nonsense.

The opinion of the fans is too overwhelming, since their involvement is the main selling point of the reforming party. This is more of popularity contest instead of a sincere attempt to improve our football organisation. The fans practically knows nothing, since the old PSSI is not at all transparent, yet talked too much. It was a surprise for them knowing that their beloved players have to borrow their parents' money for meals.

Since self-sustaining financially is one of the goal, the clubs are hastily formed using the disillusioned ISL club officials. But threats to players lead some clubs or players refuse to join the reformed IPL, so veteran players are gathered to form clubs which names are intended to be as commercialised as possible across Indonesia such as this:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/TangerangWolves.png)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Medan_Chiefs.png)

Shameless rip-offs which thankfully doesn't last long.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 15-06-2014, 17:06:34
Ah yes, I always said "How the hell china can't get 11 people who can play football decently with a population of millions?"
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 15-06-2014, 18:06:48
You mean billions?

India, China, USA, Indonesia, 4 most populous countries in the world, none are big football fans, except Indonesia. And they are not good at it either.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 15-06-2014, 18:06:39
Another problem is that there are no big Chinese stars.  The Premier League sees China as a market to get a lot of money out of, but they don't give much back to the Chinese.  In contrast, the NBA had Yao Ming who really supported basketball in his home country, and as a result the Chinese are an up-and-coming basketball nation.  But they need a football equivalent.

Also, calling the USA not good at football is a little unfair.  They're not so bad, but the other sports are just too popular at the moment.  But that's not to say there isn't a very devoted footballing community - I live in Columbus and the level of support for our MLS team is rather endearing.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 15-06-2014, 18:06:51
(http://i.imgur.com/JTOTDA6.gif)

This is why
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 15-06-2014, 18:06:31
I posted this about USA:

A proper football country must have a proper football culture, or sports culture at least. Indonesia has a big football culture, but it doesn't have that sports culture. USA is the complete reverse, and so does its history in the international football competitions. But as individualism and self-determination goes, USA's self-made soccer team is doing very well and has shown itself why they are worthy among the big elites. Well, if you compare to Central American countries that goes to war because of the sport (see Soccer war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War)). Americans, being arrogant and abrasive, also holds other virtues such as sincerity and passion, hence they succeed in a lot of unfamiliar things.

....
This why USA is one of my favourite teams here. They trampled Spain in 2009 Confederate Cup. I hope they surprise us once again in this event. They are the definitive cheerful underdog worth its own box office movie.

China on the other hand is a helpless case. The China Communist actually did a good thing to eradicate these stupid traditionalists mind, besides their obvious achievement in eliminating blatant sexism in Confucian society.

Regarding career choice

Like my aunt always said to my cousin who is a chef: "Why don't you study right? Like business, medical, or finance... you're just wasting money study cooking overseas! 沒有用! (useless)"

Perhaps many Chinese parents say this to aspiring football stars:
"If you want to be a sportsman, Y U NO be a basketball player? More money, make family happy!"

I know you all think it is a stupid internet meme, but that is pretty realistic Asian parents joke. I should know. Perhaps back in WW2 it's the same: "Why you want be a pilot? Be realistic, be a good soldier like General Yue Fei or Sun Tzu! Enough playing toys." Then they get ass-kicked by IJA Air Force.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 15-06-2014, 20:06:59
Has the pretentious intelectual talk about football over ?

Or are you guys gonna keep on going...   ::)

Ontopic:

Good win by Switzerland  agaisnt Equador.

Was expecting a 0 - 0 game but im glad i was wrong. Good match to watch.

I now comes France. My bet was 4-0. Lets see if i got it right.

Yet Honduras might might be a "wildcard" like CostaRica.

Looking forward to see this match.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 15-06-2014, 23:06:21
Honduras blew their game by getting a red card. Nice goal line technology btw, finally it has been useful in a game.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 16-06-2014, 00:06:31
 From what ive seen so far, Brazil & The Netherlands look the best.

 England looked horrible & Italy got lucky.

 USA Ghana win tomorrow:  3-0

 ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 16-06-2014, 00:06:04
From what ive seen so far, Brazil & The Netherlands look the best.

 England looked horrible & Italy got lucky.



Brazil? Best?, they just sucked big time, they needed that referee helping hand to win.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 16-06-2014, 01:06:11
I think Italy played better than Brazil, but I think Brazil will get far anyway. Argentina atm is not as good as I hoped, Bosnia gives them a run for their money. I like it when small countries are being like flees in the skin of big countries :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 16-06-2014, 01:06:58
Yep we have static defenders, Bosnia... a very energic play... the Best had to make his intervention and save our asses.

A big team would wreck this Argentina...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 16-06-2014, 02:06:00
Maybe they will grow into the tournament. Nice goal by Messi!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 16-06-2014, 16:06:39
From what ive seen so far, Brazil & The Netherlands look the best.

 England looked horrible & Italy got lucky.

 USA Ghana win tomorrow:  3-0

 ;)
Oi that was some of the best work I've seen England do in a long time!

Typically shitty play from Honduras, yesterday. What a scummy team!

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 16-06-2014, 18:06:13
Pepe, what the hell are you doing in such situation?

The referee is a bit biased against Portugal, but he also missed their offside.

Anyway, 1st half, 3-0 for Germany, not a good show from both team.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 16-06-2014, 19:06:26
I hope Ronaldo gets to play the next game..., I'd love to see him.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-06-2014, 19:06:49
It's just not Iberia's week.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: th_battleaxe on 16-06-2014, 19:06:39
@Tore: He was playing tonight. Iberian teams are getting thrashed these days...

Interesting.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 16-06-2014, 19:06:01
Salvador is slaughtering ground for Iberian countries by Germanic countries.

German exploited messed up Portugal pretty well and racked up 4 goals to none.

It is hard to see what is really going on without replays, but the referee actually correctly denied foul to a lot of diving attempts. That's good enough.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Kubador on 16-06-2014, 20:06:17
Referee or not, Portugal just fked up on all fronts. Sad to watch.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 16-06-2014, 20:06:29
@Tore: He was playing tonight.

I don't feel like explaining my post was full of sarcasm...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 16-06-2014, 23:06:38
 Wow, Germany's Mueller's gets the hat-trick & they dominate.

 :o
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 17-06-2014, 00:06:46
Good to see Germany in good form. My fav team.

Now it is USA!  I cheer on the Americlap team as well. If they do well, they will maybe understand that it's football and they are playing handegg.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 17-06-2014, 00:06:30
What a good day 8)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 17-06-2014, 00:06:14
Wow, Germany's Mueller's gets the hat-trick & they dominate.
Good game by Germany, but the red card helped them tremendously (otherwise it wouldn't have been 4-0 I bet).

A hattrick is when you score 3 goals in one half without any other goals inbetween (by friend or foe). Alas the definition has been devaluated lately: as long as you score three times in a  match it's called a hattrick  :-\
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 17-06-2014, 01:06:51
Yea that wasn't a hattrick and it's indeed devaluated lately. Of course the red card helped a lot, but Portugal wasn't a big threat with 11 players either. Might have only been 2 or 3 goals with Pepe still in the game but on the other hand the pressure to make more goals decreased with the red card as well.

I think we are going to win this years championsship as we have the most skilled squad overall with a lot of quality players. When one is injured or tired another one comes in and is going to give the team an energy boost and the quality of the lineup will not suffer. Talking about Podolski, Schürrle, Draxler giving energy especially. And Klose can score when Müller has an off day. Having so many quality offensive options is very important, especially considering there is a lot of heat and the humidity is something the players are not used to.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 17-06-2014, 04:06:54
I just hope Hummels is alright. Yesterday's poor show by Germany might be contributed to Schweinsteiger's absence. They have much less vigour when attacking compared to 2010/2012. Most of the goals were from Portugal defense's mistakes. Oezil also did not perform as expected.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Tedacious on 17-06-2014, 13:06:17
Remember that in a proper hattrick like Slayer mentioned, you also need to score one goal with a header, one from a regular shot, and one (i believe) form a penalty
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Oberst on 17-06-2014, 14:06:40
Quote
The modern meaning of the term 'hat-trick': a player scoring three goals in a match.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/mcwc/ip-301_02a_fwc_goals_22689.pdf

According to FIFA regulations, Müller's three goals count as a hat trick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_hat-tricks
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 17-06-2014, 14:06:13
 Well US won (2-1). Not in great fashion, we'll take it.  :-\

 Next.......#13 USA vs #4 Portugal will be a tough match.



 Then we get to play Germany who has this guy named Mueller that does tricks with hats........

 ::)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 17-06-2014, 16:06:38
Remember that in a proper hattrick like Slayer mentioned, you also need to score one goal with a header, one from a regular shot, and one (i believe) form a penalty
Really? Never heard of that one. Maybe "my" definition is also a devaluated one, from an even older definition of hattrick.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 17-06-2014, 17:06:52
Never heard of that one either.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 17-06-2014, 18:06:51
Remember that in a proper hattrick like Slayer mentioned, you also need to score one goal with a header, one from a regular shot, and one (i believe) form a penalty

First time im my life im hearing such a thing.

Its a joke right ?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 17-06-2014, 19:06:09
yay Belgium!  ;D

hopefully de Brunye's sunburn will not put him out of the rest of the world cup.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 17-06-2014, 20:06:04
Shitty game to watch, but we won, that's what matters  ;D
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 18-06-2014, 02:06:40
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lzOkX9ZS--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/771368561840715662.gif)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: th_battleaxe on 18-06-2014, 07:06:21
hopefully de Brunye's sunburn will not put him out of the rest of the world cup.

Don't worry. De Bruyne always looks like he's just been pulled out of a barrel of red paint after a game.

I can imagine the whole nation screaming "Vertonghen, kieken!!" yesterday, though
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Capten_C on 18-06-2014, 15:06:12
Anyone collecting World Cup stickers?  :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-27885740
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 18-06-2014, 18:06:44
hopefully de Brunye's sunburn will not put him out of the rest of the world cup.

Don't worry. De Bruyne always looks like he's just been pulled out of a barrel of red paint after a game.


Poor old fair-haired lads playing in Brazil.  I look exactly the same after much exertion
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 18-06-2014, 19:06:50
Uh oh!

The situation is grim for the socceroos now. They gave the Dutch quite a play, but they were clearly outmatched.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 18-06-2014, 23:06:29
Spain thought they could beat tiny Chile with their "badge of champions", big mistake, Chile played great, Vidal is a beast.

Spain, instead of renewing their squad.... they kept the Barcelona and R. Madrid players that are simply NOT IN FORM, the playstyle that made Spain champions of three main competitions in a row, require the players to be in a excellent physical form, more than half of Spain's starting 11 are no longer in form for this playstyle, I'm not saying this with the "monday's newspaper", but I kinda knew it from before the WC. Only Iniesta would be safe from the incoming media bombardment I think.

Or maybe there are internal problems, inside the Spanish squad...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 19-06-2014, 01:06:30
I loved that Aussi grit, very entertaining match. Sloppy play from Dutch guys in first half of the match. I enjoyed this match more than the raping Spain one to be honest.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 19-06-2014, 02:06:51
Seeing some pretty ridiculous red card antics this week.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 19-06-2014, 08:06:29
My friend cited the lack of Puyol undermined Spain's defense. I say, it is a common football spectator trope.

Spain played using the same tactic: tiki-taka you bastards! Ha! Budge under the will of dominating ball possessions! Del Bosque used the same freaking formula for 6 years straight and hoped that no one would counter that boring tactic in time. The Dutch uses long passes, Spain is confused, it is very effective. I was kinda hoping that Spain would win, so the Aussies will have the fighting chance. But now it is all over for both Spain and Australia. Good luck for both of Netherlands and Chile. Netherlands is on its way to take the trophy, and I am eager to see new champion in this World Cup.

Now, I don't care about Asian teams anymore. They are hopeless. My underdog is USMNT, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A! They are going to play against Portugal, which even without Pepe and Coentrão is still a powerful team. Magic shall happen.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 20-06-2014, 15:06:36
I went into this expecting nothing from England, and they've still managed to disappoint.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 20-06-2014, 18:06:38
England for me is always summarized by a camera shot around the 87 minute of the game zoomed in on Gerard pained face after another long shot from him missed the goal. Why couldn't England keep the energy and flow after the 1-1 score... such a shame.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 20-06-2014, 19:06:34
That is what I call a drama team. A team that care so much about tabloid headlines after the match instead of concentrating on the match. The same is with the Italy now. What a shit show performance, their million euro salary is overrated.

And that goal by Costa Rica is very convincing, yes? It is almost surreal that they were denied a penalty and a lot of foul against them due to Italian player's lame dives.

Update: yeah, good bye England! I hope they learned a lesson: They shouldn't shoulder any burden to show their worth. Perhaps they shouldn't even consider themselves amongst the European elites.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: LuckyOne on 21-06-2014, 09:06:27
Update: yeah, good bye England! I hope they learned a lesson: They shouldn't shoulder any burden to show their worth. Perhaps they shouldn't even consider themselves amongst the European elites.

Yeah, how dare they consider themselves to be worthy of playing with the greatest Europe has to offer! Like Spain!


...Oh wait...  ::)

Let's just say that World cup wouldn't be so interesting if only the "boring" teams won all the time. Time to see some underdogs give them a slap on the cheek! :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Oberst on 21-06-2014, 12:06:21
Wasn't there a twitter comment going around somewhere, saying:

"England always dreamed of playing like spain?" This time, they achieved it!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 21-06-2014, 18:06:34
Greece and Iran, the biggest Anti-Football teams I ever saw in my life.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 21-06-2014, 21:06:30
Greece and Iran, the biggest Anti-Football teams I ever saw in my life.
Well, Iran was surprisingly good against Argentina, I was quite shocked about the incapability of the Argentinians to punch a hole in the Iranian defense. This, while Iran created a few good opportunities to score a goal.

I'm glad Argentina won, though, but the game was bad more because they weren't so good and not because Iran was "anti-football".
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 21-06-2014, 21:06:22
That 10 defenders of Iran almost succeeded in denying Argentina any goals. Their counter attacks were the deadliest in the game. However, Argentina showed their class by not budging to such attacks and pressed on until Messi saw a gap and made that shot.

If only Italy is that good. They simply gave up when we saw their players simply walked around while the ball is being criss-crossed amongst the midfielders.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 21-06-2014, 22:06:02
Greece and Iran, the biggest Anti-Football teams I ever saw in my life.
What other choice do they have?  Play a more open and entertaining game and lose 0-5?
If you weren't an Argentina fan it was actually a rather exciting watch.

On the other hand, what a hell of a match between Ghana and Germany.  I have always had a real soft spot in my heart for the Black Stars.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 21-06-2014, 23:06:05
Iran Argentina should have been 0-0 really. The Iranians played exceptionally well
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 21-06-2014, 23:06:55
On the other hand, what a hell of a match between Ghana and Germany.  I have always had a real soft spot in my heart for the Black Stars.
Same here, very exciting game! I was hoping for Ghana to win, because they really need to proceed into the next round, and not US or Portugal. Also, Germany wasn't really itself, it seemed. A bit uneasy on the field.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 22-06-2014, 02:06:36
Greece and Iran, the biggest Anti-Football teams I ever saw in my life.
What other choice do they have?  Play a more open and entertaining game and lose 0-5?
If you weren't an Argentina fan it was actually a rather exciting watch.


Play like a real football team, play like Costa Rica despite their inferior skills they still managed to dominate a World Champion by playing really really well, but no, losers are always going to play super-defensive and hope for the best. They tested Argentina's defense a few times and but stopped there, Argentine defense sucks, go for it and you'll win, that's a fact.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 22-06-2014, 04:06:59
Costa Rica has Joel Campbell, and was underrated.  They were technically the underdog but in the end they were better than both Uruguay and Italy (and England as well  :( )

But Iran didn't have any anyone who was the equal of Campbell, not even Gucci.  They had absolutely no choice but to park the bus.  I understand why that's frustrating and I don't think that Iran deserved a win by any means, but I give them credit for making the best out of what they had.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 22-06-2014, 08:06:21
Joel Campbell is awesome. But Italy is playing like crap against Costa Rica when compared to Argentina against Iran. Moreover, their goal is not that convincing, overall, it is a wasted match. They did have a penalty denied when Joel Campbell was violated during attacking run. Overall, Italy might have let themselves to lose the game (by deliberation or just being unfit).

Argentina did give it all during the match, they were so eager on attacking, which caught their defense off-guard during Iran's counter attack. Even the subs from Argentina showed that they wanted to keep on attacking by replacing the worn out Agüero and Higuaín. Then, in the last minute, they were building up tensions by repeatedly attacking from right wing, which lead to Messi's goal. I think it is a very good match, despite the goal drought. Argentina showed their world class passing, ball control, and it was a pretty sight. Iran was very steadfast, determined, and showed good goalkeeping.

Carlos Queiroz should be credited by implementing a strategy that effectively absorbed Argentina's relentless attack by top class attackers like Higuaín, Messi, and Agüero.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: THeTA0123 on 22-06-2014, 11:06:07
Tonight Belgium is gonna fight the russian bear!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 22-06-2014, 19:06:08
Two teams attacked each other relentlessly. Belgium finally scores in the last minute like Argentina. Good match.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 22-06-2014, 20:06:13
Pfft, it was quite a boring match. Not as bad as Nigeria vs Iran, but man, if they go through, both Belgium and Russia are gonna have a hard time.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 23-06-2014, 04:06:25
Well, they are quite about the same level, so their advantages parry each other. Unlike Argentina and Iran, where we expect Iran to be trampled by the superior team.

Now now, USA almost won if it wasn't for last minute goal from Portugal. Now England, the rebels are much better than you, aren't they?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 23-06-2014, 17:06:43
What the fuck do you have against England mate?  England fans have been nothing if not self-deprecating for years.   
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 23-06-2014, 17:06:11
Put the shark back in the pajama, captain, Zoo just likes football wars. He hates the Dutch team too.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 23-06-2014, 17:06:21
I haven't even been that impressed by the USA.  Good teamwork and nice saves as always from Howard but Ghana was certainly the better side in the first match.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 23-06-2014, 20:06:17
Spectacular match Portugal vs USA! Ghana still has a chance now, but maybe Germany and USA will make a deal for a draw so they will both go through.

Holland first number one in the group!! 2-0 vs Chile, I didn't expect that. I'm really glad, though!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 23-06-2014, 20:06:05
I like England (as a place and its people). Let's say I am pretty much disappointed with English Football team, paying second most expensive coach in the World Cup, and then they poked a lot of fun to other teams in media. I know England fans has been engaged in self-loathing for like years, yet in a football banter, their old habit come back again.

But, if this is true: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2664982/Can-rid-England-football-ad-Calls-World-Cup-flops-lucrative-TV-deals-pulled-wake-embarrassing-group-stage-knock-out.html

Then I am really sorry mate, I did not intend to pour the salt into the wound. Losing 1.3 billion is too much, not to mention other effects of nation-wide depression. And I would also blame Italy, who made a poor showing against Costa Rica. Balotelli's big talk before the match is exactly what I used to hate from England team. I hope Uruguay trampled them. So there you go, my favourite team, got what they deserve... I feel bad for Prandelli.

I know many people hate USA as a political entity, but as a football team, they are quite likeable.

Put the shark back in the pajama, captain, Zoo just likes football wars. He hates the Dutch team too.

Well, I no longer hate the Dutch, don't you see?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 23-06-2014, 21:06:01
Spectacular match Portugal vs USA! Ghana still has a chance now, but maybe Germany and USA will make a deal for a draw so they will both go through.

Spectacular ?

Wtf ? It was a shitty game. Zero strategic action, no concentration from both sides, it was like a football match played with a bunch of friends.

Portugal played with zero atittude and USA deserved to win.

The match was terrible.

Germany and USA will pass. And its well deserved.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 23-06-2014, 23:06:03
Spectacular match Portugal vs USA! Ghana still has a chance now, but maybe Germany and USA will make a deal for a draw so they will both go through.

Spectacular ?
Yes, for a neutral spectator, who loves football and likes WC the most because of teams you almost enver see play. I had great fun watching the game. Yes, there were a lot of mistakes, and yes, Portugal played way below their usual level, so I can understand you are a bit sore. But for me: I had fun!

Especially the order of scoring goals was cool: 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 2-2.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 24-06-2014, 19:06:07
Italy out, just as I predicted. They deserve it. Playing like they did against Costa Rica. One less reason to watch World Cup now.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 24-06-2014, 20:06:45
WTF Suarez, biting for the third time. Maybe a lifetime suspension will make him actually think about his actions. Incredible, after all his excuses following the second time he bit someone. Maybe a mental problem?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 24-06-2014, 21:06:53
Fucking retard, that's the problem. Get this scum out of the 2018 CC, easy.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 24-06-2014, 22:06:12
I've seen people in football punching another guy, going directly for the knee instead while saying "I went for the ball" (Reminds me of Ruggeri vs Chilavert when Ruggeri himself said he was going to break the Paraguayan GK), but bitting? That's very cowardish, bitting is not even part of football.


What a fucking retard Suarez is, yeah, fantastic player he just carried Uruguay against England... he should be banned from the WC, that is why we have Replays.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 24-06-2014, 23:06:56
Shameful display once again. Greece getting a penalty for absolutely nothing and therefore they go through 120% undeserved.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 25-06-2014, 00:06:39
Suarez is a cunt.  Lunatic deserves a ban for at least the rest of the tournament, and that would be getting off very lightly.  I've been told before that "he just has a temper". Fuck that, wanker's deranged. 

I have nothing against the Greeks but I was devastated by that last minute penalty just a few moments ago.  I love watching Drogba play, not to mention it's been a very shitty tournament for Asian and African teams.

I have a friend who insisted all year that Colombia would dominate their group and (he says) go on to win the whole show.  I'm really starting to be impressed by their team. 
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 25-06-2014, 00:06:38
My hate for Anti-Football teams grows, Greece... you make me sick.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Mudzin on 25-06-2014, 00:06:18
Easy, Costa Rica will kick their asses.  :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 25-06-2014, 03:06:08
So, Suarez has been doing racism, cheating, and bitings.

Didn't see the incident, but I saw Chielini checking his shoulders.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 25-06-2014, 03:06:06
Next world cup: Fifa bite-mark technology
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 25-06-2014, 05:06:02
Honestly Association Football is lacking on that department to support referees. But I don't want to see refs doing NFL thing: facing the crowd and announcing "Technical foul resulting in red card on Uruguay number 9, Luis Suárez, for biting Italy number 3 Giorgio Chielini. He will be duly suspended for maximum of 24 games."

Despite arguments for "human factors" in football refereeing, I guess a bit of technology support won't hurt. It also helps to fight match-fixing problems that are rampant in association football.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Kubador on 25-06-2014, 12:06:19
You have human factors in players and in referee decision. But it's downright stupid that referees don't re-watch the fouls etc. and change their previous decisions made by lack of information. I guess it's in their best interest after all since higher tech may endanger their employment.   
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Eat Uranium on 25-06-2014, 12:06:44
There should be an equivalent to Cricket's third umpire: and official that sits in a box with access to replays and such.  The on-field referee can call on his assistance, and maybe the team captains can use him to dispute a decision (a limited number of times).
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 25-06-2014, 19:06:15
Watching Nigeria vs. Argentina now.

Can't believe what I am seeing. This is very unlike the matches in this world cup so far... far from boring.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 25-06-2014, 19:06:15
Watching Nigeria vs. Argentina now.

Can't believe what I am seeing. This is very unlike the matches in this world cup so far... far from boring.

You are saying that this world cup has been boring ?

Have you watched the previous editions ? Those were boring.

This world cup has been fantastic overall, full of upsets,  great matches and alot of goals.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 25-06-2014, 19:06:51
doube post

please delete
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 25-06-2014, 20:06:34
Watching Nigeria vs. Argentina now.

Can't believe what I am seeing. This is very unlike the matches in this world cup so far... far from boring.

You are saying that this world cup has been boring ?

Have you watched the previous editions ? Those were boring.

This world cup has been fantastic overall, full of upsets,  great matches and alot of goals.

WC2010 was goalless, teams were confused (a lot of incomplete passes), and the atmosphere is bad. But compared to Germany 2006, Korea/Japan 2002, and France 1998 - I remembered seeing more spectacular show there. The one like shown by the Argentinians and Nigerians today. Congratulations to both of them.

Maybe I am just biased by my favourite team's performance (Italy) in this World Cup.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 25-06-2014, 20:06:47
Well we have to agree to disagree then.   ;)

For me this World Cup has been the best since decades ago.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 25-06-2014, 20:06:15
Yep amazing WC so far.

Nigeria played really well, I think they should have a bit more of confidence because they have some good players. Messi was able to finally score against Nyeama, that guy surely had the match of his life in 2010 when he stopped 4 Messi on-goal shots, I like that guy.

Still, I'm not totally convinced by Argentina so far, sure the results are there but 2 goals... the first one was a joke, I can't believe Manchester City is so blind to let that Zabaleta guy play for them, the second goal, my god, there was one when the Higuain, Fernandez and Macherano all three couldn't stop a slow ball from going to the middle of the area, the fuck?.

On the offensive they play really well, Aguero is a fucking ghost, get rid of that guy and replace him with Lavezzi, I admit I don't like that guy but he would be a good player to play alongside Messi.

Now we wait for either Switzerland or Ecuador.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 25-06-2014, 21:06:29
Watching Nigeria vs. Argentina now.

Can't believe what I am seeing. This is very unlike the matches in this world cup so far... far from boring.

You are saying that this world cup has been boring ?

Have you watched the previous editions ? Those were boring.

This world cup has been fantastic overall, full of upsets,  great matches and alot of goals.

WC2010 was goalless, teams were confused (a lot of incomplete passes), and the atmosphere is bad. But compared to Germany 2006, Korea/Japan 2002, and France 1998 - I remembered seeing more spectacular show there. The one like shown by the Argentinians and Nigerians today. Congratulations to both of them.

Maybe I am just biased by my favourite team's performance (Italy) in this World Cup.
Hmm, didn't Italy also go out in the group stage in 2010?  Perhaps they too are no longer an elite European side!  :P

But really this is clearly the most exiciting World Cup in my lifetime.  I had not heard anyone say anything otherwise before now.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 25-06-2014, 21:06:23
Yup, the performance cycle of Italy is wrong. Perhaps they used all of their luck to get into Euro 2012 final.

Anyway, England is not doing that bad, but the whole nation was engaged in such a big fuss. Italy on the other hand, with 4 championship titles, should be stirring more drama. England lost against 4 times world champion and the last world cup's semifinalist, then tied against a shocker team that managed to defeat the other two. Not bad at all.

Exciting world cup? Well, there is a lot of goals for sure. Also great matches like every games by the Netherlands, Italy vs. England, Argentina vs. Nigeria. I like the last one, a lot of individual skills and teamwork shown by both team as they desperately try to win the match. This is so unlike Italy vs. Costa Rica, where Italy just stalled (when compared to their performance against England) and Costa Rica, lacking in individual skills, failed to convert chances. Then Germany vs. Portugal, despite the generally disappointing performance of Germany, Portugal tops them in terms of disappointment, so 4 goals were scored against them.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: :| Hi on 25-06-2014, 22:06:22
usa usa usa


Surprised we have survived this far into the world cup
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 25-06-2014, 22:06:37
Yup, the performance cycle of Italy is wrong. Perhaps they used all of their luck to get into Euro 2012 final.

Anyway, England is not doing that bad, but the whole nation was engaged in such a big fuss. Italy on the other hand, with 4 championship titles, should be stirring more drama. England lost against 4 times world champion and the last world cup's semifinalist, then tied against a shocker team that managed to defeat the other two. Not bad at all.

Exciting world cup? Well, there is a lot of goals for sure. Also great matches like every games by the Netherlands, Italy vs. England, Argentina vs. Nigeria. I like the last one, a lot of individual skills and teamwork shown by both team as they desperately try to win the match. This is so unlike Italy vs. Costa Rica, where Italy just stalled (when compared to their performance against England) and Costa Rica, lacking in individual skills, failed to convert chances. Then Germany vs. Portugal, despite the generally disappointing performance of Germany, Portugal tops them in terms of disappointment, so 4 goals were scored against them.

An advice, you need to see the other teams ( beside the big "names" ) play to get a good evaluation of the World Cup.

A decent football fan always tries to watch every game or at least the highlights of the games.

I guess you havent seen Colombia, Mexico, Croatia, Chile, Uruguay and Algeria play.

All of them have had amazing games and fantastic performances.

Do that. There have been awesome matches from those teams.

PS:
Portugal is shit.   ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 26-06-2014, 00:06:31
Colombia was a little machine vs. Japan, with mostly substitutes, James Rodriguez oh my, what a player. They've got a fantastic Coach, undeserved of all the hate he got here, Pekerman, and some young talents. Let's not forget that they are playing without their winning card, Falcao.

Colombia - Uruguay will be an interesting match, I want Colombia to win, I just can't stand Uruguay.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 26-06-2014, 01:06:13
Well, who can after that bite attack and the ridicolous red card for Italy... When even Germans turn into Italy fans half way through the game, then you know somethings wrong.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 26-06-2014, 07:06:22
Yeah, I can't support Uruguay too now. Go Colombia!  ;D

Well, my favourite underdog team has been doing well, the plucky USA and Mexico. I never consider Chile "small team." Ever since 1998 (Zamorano-Salas era). They are another Latin American powerhouse seeking to return, just like Paraguay.

Then Colombia, they used to have Faustino Aprila and Carlos Valderama with his trademark hair. They also played their 1998 GK, Farid Mondragon during play vs. Japan. Brings back memories when he played well against England. He is now the oldest player to play in World Cup history.

So, the small teams in this WC didn't really win because they were good. But it is just plainly shocking and the good team just trolls the audience. Croatia in the other hand, they were denied victory (or tie) in the opening game due to poor refereeing. So, is this WC rampant of poor refereeing? Or is it always like that in the past, because I was just a small kid back then?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 26-06-2014, 15:06:10
 (http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/leaguelogos/soccer/500-dark/4.png&w=126&site=espnfc)

Well today is a big WC day.

 (http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/soccer/500-dark/481.png&w=126&site=espnfc)  (http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/soccer/500-dark/660.png&w=126&site=espnfc)
      Germany    vs        USA


 Both deserve to advance & I guess a tie will guarantee that.



Should be exciting.
 8)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 26-06-2014, 16:06:35
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Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 26-06-2014, 16:06:46
Update: Ghana lost Boateng and Muntari... what a shocker. Apparently 2010 France scandal has struck our community's African favourite. The Black Stars has withdrawn Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sulley Ali Muntari's world cup license and sent them home. They will be playing Portugal without both of their main starters.  :-\

It is very sad, really. Asamoah Gyan shouldn't be denied his second shot at the tournament after what Suárez did 4 years ago.  >:(

Now regarding the Uruguayan guy, he got suspended for 9 games and 4 months from football related activities including visiting a stadium. LOL, quite light from the maximum possible sentence of 24 games/2 years ban. Also, I know how you suppose to stand by your teammate no matter what, but Diego Lugano has been quite an arse with his denial and media conspiracy-calling bullshit. He is practically dumbing down legitimate argument about opinion-controlling media and very unsportsmanlike.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 26-06-2014, 16:06:26
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/leaguelogos/soccer/500-dark/4.png&w=126&site=espnfc)

Well today is a big WC day.

 (http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/soccer/500-dark/481.png&w=126&site=espnfc)  (http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/soccer/500-dark/660.png&w=126&site=espnfc)
      Germany    vs        USA


 Both deserve to advance & I guess a tie will guarantee that.



Should be exciting.
 8)
Or incredibly boring. 
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 26-06-2014, 16:06:46
Update: Ghana lost Boateng and Muntari... what a shocker. Apparently 2010 France scandal has struck our community's African favourite. The Black Stars has withdrawn Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sulley Ali Muntari's world cup license and sent them home. They will be playing Portugal without both of their main starters.  :-\

Muntari was already out of the match because of yellow cards.   ::)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 26-06-2014, 17:06:38
But he is now heading home... forever instead of sitting on the bench, supporting his team's last ditch effort.

It is said that he fought with a Ghanian football association official, while Boateng insulted the coach.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 26-06-2014, 23:06:12
I don't know but Belgium so far... not impressed, really.

Too much talkin', easy group too.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 28-06-2014, 21:06:21
Brazil won by luck... that goal post really favours the home team  ;D

But what a match between Brazil and Chile, both team give it all, including rough play and cheating. But it is amusing, their passes, individual techniques, something that is expected from top Latin American football team. It is fascinating to see Chile pressing attack and manages to retain possession despite being surrounded by defenders. Meanwhile, Brazilian players like Hulk, Dani Alves, and Neymar Jr. shows some spectacular individual skills there. In the end, it has to be decided by luck, the winner come out from a penalty shoot-outs.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 28-06-2014, 21:06:52
Chile played very energic, they could have won the game at the very end with this post saving Brasil.

That is brasil now, luck. They suck, Neymar was a ghost today, with few interventions compared to what he did in previous matches, Oscar, was he even playing?, Fred is like Cristiano Ronaldo, we don't know if he made it to Brasil to play the WC at all. Hulk was a ghost in the previous matches but today was much better, the defense is still terrible, as it was during groups stage.

It's far from being the SuperBrasil of Ronaldo, Cafu, Romario, Pelé...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 28-06-2014, 21:06:16
Quote
That is brasil now, luck. They suck, Neymar was a ghost today, with few interventions compared to what he did in previous matches, Oscar, was he even playing?, Fred is like Cristiano Ronaldo, we don't know if he made it to Brasil to play the WC at all. Hulk was a ghost in the previous matches but today was much better, the defense is still terrible, as it was during groups stage.

It's far from being the SuperBrasil of Ronaldo, Cafu, Romario, Pelé...

Well, when you have such a lineup history as brazil, any team with only one of a genius is below average. Not many can say that, actually, only one...

Neymar was great at the first 45, but later he went disappeared, much due to his injury. Oscar should have been replaced in the start by Willian, Hulk played well, and someone please kill Daniel Alvez and place Maicon on the team.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 29-06-2014, 00:06:12
the defense is still terrible, as it was during groups stage.
I'm so surprised by this, when you just look at the names... man, it shoud be impregnable! I also think this will kill Brazil in quarter finals, or, at the latest, in semi-finals. They are nothing compared to the Confed Cup final, when they blew away Spain.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 29-06-2014, 07:06:24
Our 2 backs have been well, but our 2 sidebacks, specially Dani A. have been terrible, he just cant hit 1 pass right. But the main problem is the midfield, leaving our defense too much mano i mano against the strikers

How Brazil is playing, losing the midfield in all matches, kinda shows how tactically our coaches are just way below world average. Felipão managed to relegate one of the most traditional brazilian teams just before he was called to coach our national team. Tactically not much has been worked, we dont have many different ways to play, Brazil doesnt changes their formation in the middle of a match very well, and my fear is that the staff is more worried about the pressure in our players, and in their feelings (a freaking joke imo...) than in the real tactical work that needs to be done. We have been using a direct conection between our defense and our attack since the start of the WC, through long passes from Thiago Silva and David Luiz, who do indeed have a good quality to do such things, but its a escape route, they do that because when they look forward, our midfield is completely missing, so whats left? Long passes to the strikers.

Fernandinho managed to fix that, partially, filling up the midfield way better than Paulinho. But Hulk is more of a winger, Fred/Jo just sits in the opposite goal area, Neymar plays at the left wing, but he moves through that area of the pitch, so it was supposed to be up to Oscar to really connect the midfield to the strikers. It hasnt happened yet, its like we have two blocks completely seperate, one made of all the defenders and Gustavo and Fernandinho, and the other of Neymar, Hulk, Fred and Oscar... Hence all the long passes. Numerically, our midfield is fighting the battle of britain, but only that it loses repeatedly, and then britain does something that through sheer luck the loss doesnt counts at the end... As of the round of 16 that is... lets see the next round....

I mean, there are 3 argentinian coaches at this WC, all doing wonderful jobs. And there are just a plenty of them in a bunch of european clubs... And the brazilians? Absolutely nothing. And there's a reason why.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 29-06-2014, 11:06:36
Good points there. Something still does not feel right indeed. I can not understand why Fred is playing, that guy is doing nothing but camping in the enemy penalty area and is no support for his team. When a ball comes up he is rather slow and does not fight for it like he should be. And then he is choking when he got the chance to actually make a goal.

I find it kind of ignorant that he is still playing to be honest. If Brazil does not step up their game vs Colombia, they are pretty much out. And the way Colombia is playing right now is just wonderful to watch, so I kinda root for them against Brazil anyway. I hoped for Brazil to advance yesterday, but I wouldn't want them to get away with a more or less lucky victory again.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 29-06-2014, 12:06:01
I also think that Chile could have won that match yesterday.

Isn't Luis Felipe Scolari a frequent World Cup appearance? He was with the Portugal previously, and they did well compared to this world cup.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 29-06-2014, 18:06:42
He hasnt done a good job since that portugal, and yet he managed to lose the euro cup at Lisboa against Greece...

He did had a good run in 96-2002, winning 2 libertadores and the WC, but since then he has been downhill real quick. The thing is, ever since his start, he's been know of making a tight group, raising "morale" and all, making them want to "win", but he really never was that of a guy who studies tactics and formations, learns new stuff from europe, and etc. Like most of our coaches. Our coaches are all out of date in concern to the tactical development of football that takes place in europe.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 29-06-2014, 19:06:41
The world cup is brought to you by: George R. R. Martin
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 29-06-2014, 20:06:14
An excerpt of that novel:

Dos Santos sent the shocker to the Dutch team that awakens their spirit after a generally lackluster performance in the first half. So energized their comeback, that 10 corner kicks were sent in by Robben that 2nd half alone. van Gaal had enough and send in Depay and Hunterlaar, which helps keeping the pressure on Mexican side. A 3 minutes cooling break was taken, reducing their attacking momentum, van Gaal has a lot to say during the break. Then at 88' that chance came when a wild ball and sudden gap in Mexican defense appeared, Sneijder takes the shot. Mexican dream of making it to the top 8 for the 3rd time suddenly becomes harder.

Robben, the hero, whose feet was mostly firm on the ground for most of the match, suddenly decided to do a second dive to the ground, because the ball seems too far for him to reach and control reasonably, and the referee bought it, showed the yellow card to Marquez. Guardado couldn't help himself, so he added another yellow into the referee's bookings. Ochoa is up to save Hunterlaar's penalty kick, after all, he has been the guardian angel that keeps the Mexican goalie clean for the last 43 minutes of brutal Dutch attacks. A very lengthy moment, and scuffles later, Hunterlaar calmly stopped dribbling the ball and placed it in, a whistle, and off to the goalie. Ochoa confidently leaped to the left, but he guessed wrong. The last 2 minutes attempt by Mexico were thwarted by the Dutch team, and in the midst of injustice, the Netherlands advanced to the quarter final.

This match is so full of drama.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 29-06-2014, 20:06:32
In USA 94', Mexico made it to the second round to lose against Bulgaria 1-1 (3-1 penalties), France 98' they made it again to the second round to lose against Germany 2-1, Korea-Japan 2002, round of 16 this time against USA, 2-0 for the US, Germany 2006, round of 16 against Argentina, 2-1 for the Argentines, South Africa 2010, round of 16 against Argentina again, 3-1 for Argentina and finally 2-1 against the Netherlands on 2014 Brasil.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Sander93 on 29-06-2014, 20:06:51
The last 2 minutes attempt by Mexico were thwarted by the Dutch team, and in the midst of injustice, the Netherlands advanced to the quarter final.

In the midst of injustice? Were you looking out the window for the entire 48'-88' counter offensive?

First half the Dutch conserved their strength, as they did every match so far. Van Gaal and the team brilliantly outplayed the Mexicans after the 0-1 by changing the setup, then outplayed them again by changing it again after the cooling break. The penalty was a dive I can't deny that, but it was the third strike out. Robben should've already had a penalty at the end of the first half. The Dutch commentator rightfully predicted it was going to be a sum that could eventually lead to an easy penalty.

The Dutch surely deserved to win after their amazing comeback.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 29-06-2014, 21:06:36
It was a drama, especially for the Mexicans Sander. They were crying foul at the injury time. LOL. The Dutch were not in a counter offensive. They were pressuring Mexico into submission, and occasionally the Mexicans managed to breakthrough, but not much, especially after Dos Santos was taken out.. It was only time before a goal is scored and Ochoa's massive luck runs out.

But then, the Dutch have to win on a penalty produced by a dive stunt. Which is sad. Robben should have scored a brilliant goal if Ochoa's knee weren't attracting the balls that much.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: AfterDune on 29-06-2014, 21:06:10
Perhaps the penalty wasn't right, there were faults before halftime that should've been penalized, so all in all it's fair I guess. Never expected us to win, that Mexican goalkeeper was fantastic!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 29-06-2014, 22:06:05
First foul was 100% penalty, 2nd foul was not a foul (hence 0% penalty - Robben himself admitted this after the game) and 3rd foul was 50-50, a referee could give it (because there was contact) but he could also deny it (because the contact was light).

So maybe the moment of the penalty given was not 100% correct, but at least one penalty was deserved right.

Ochoa man of the match was also 100% right, btw. His contract at Ajaccio (!) ends this summer, so I guess he will make a nice transfer :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 30-06-2014, 01:06:28
No glory for defensive, speculative and anti-football teams

BACK TO EUROPE GREECE!!!.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 30-06-2014, 01:06:29
More room for time crunching faggots then.


Well done to Greece for the effort, too bad Gekas missed his penalty shot.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 30-06-2014, 01:06:51
How terrible, poor Greeks and their two goals that gave them a place in Round of 16, now I wonder why people don't like Greece in football...

Greece in Euro 2004 will remain as the most vomitive and horrendous team ever, today they got what they always deserved, elimination.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Khaine on 30-06-2014, 14:06:30
So maybe the moment of the penalty given was not 100% correct, but at least one penalty was deserved right.


Honestly I think it is stupid to give a penalty for a small foul only because earlier an obvious penalty was not given. This way, the ref does two mistakes instead of one... Moreover it was during additionnal time, which means 99,99% chances of victory if not missed. A referee should never compensate (not sure about this word :D )
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 30-06-2014, 14:06:22
More room for time crunching faggots then.


Well done to Greece for the effort, too bad Gekas missed his penalty shot.
It was an exciting game, but if Greece couldn't put out a 10 man Costa Rica then they never had a hope in the world against the Dutch.  The better team won.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 30-06-2014, 16:06:00
So maybe the moment of the penalty given was not 100% correct, but at least one penalty was deserved right.


Honestly I think it is stupid to give a penalty for a small foul only because earlier an obvious penalty was not given. This way, the ref does two mistakes instead of one... Moreover it was during additionnal time, which means 99,99% chances of victory if not missed. A referee should never compensate (not sure about this word :D )
OK, I agree, he should have given the penalty in the 43rd minute already. Then it would have been 1-0 instead of 0-1 and the match would have been totally different (except for the outcome, I think ;)).
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 30-06-2014, 16:06:42
I think the Dutch will be the surprising champ this world cup. But I will be double happier if USA can held the trophy and then reserve all the bragging rights to say, "now you see, you see, American sports are better!"
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 30-06-2014, 16:06:18
Nah, USA wins enough in Olympics, etc. Let the WC go to someone else.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 30-06-2014, 17:06:15
The Dutch are tough. I like watching them more than even the USA.


Chili was inches from eliminating Brazil......


 Not sure how far the USA can go, but the Dutch have a shot to win it.

I hate orange, but i may make an exception.

 ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 30-06-2014, 22:06:23
Nigeria wasn't bad. They pierced the Maginot line a few times. And then the goalie blundered ...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 01-07-2014, 00:07:46
Algeria wasn't that bad either. Tough nut to crack for Germany, cool match to watch.

But what the hell was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8mvaX23qZw4
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 01-07-2014, 05:07:13
These top 16 matches... they are all big teams testing small spunky team's mettle with the exceptions of Costa Rica vs. Greece. They are truly worth opponents. Too bad, Chile didn't made it. Mexico really gave the Netherlands run for its money, Nigeria contested the French pretty well (esp. the goalkeeper), and Algeria, what a fight till the end.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 01-07-2014, 07:07:31
I feel kinda sad for Enyeama, he gained my respect on 2010 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_vlSw0VIk), did a damn good job against Argentina again in 2014 saving that amazing Free Kick by Messi and against France he showed once again that he is a very good GK. It's kinda his fault on Pogba's (another amazing player!, I'm sure Manchester United has something to say about him hehe) goal and it's 50/50 on the second goal I think, but still he made some superb saves.

It's the kind of Goalkeepers I like, those who fly around making amazing saves, even those that are nearly impossible, he is quite humble (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9Umxt0lmk) too
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 01-07-2014, 12:07:09
The German team is weirdly inconsistent.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 01-07-2014, 16:07:00
It's Löw being stupid. He says all the time how important Khedira AND Schweinsteiger are and yet he puts Lahm in the defensive mid field which is simply not where he belongs to. Sorry to say that, but thank god Mustafi injured himself so Lahm started playing like a top player again on the right side defense while Mustafi just lacked the knowledge of how to be a flank player and got overrun all he time. Same goes for Höwedes btw.

When Schweinsteiger or Khedira got trouble with the remains of their injuries, there are still enough options to exchange one of them. As everyone could see, after Khedira came in we started playing football again. Ridicolous use of the chances, but that happens.

Anyway, that tough teams that play that defensively are a problem was already apparent vs Ghana. No we got the Frenchies with a more offensive set, so we will have more room and I expect an easier game than vs Algeria.

Than there will be a tough semi finals vs Colombia (?) and we win the WC vs the Dutchies. Winning that multiplies the joy, but a loss there is the worst loss we could have. Only losing to France would be worse...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 01-07-2014, 17:07:44
I feel kinda sad for Enyeama, he gained my respect on 2010 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_vlSw0VIk), did a damn good job against Argentina again in 2014 saving that amazing Free Kick by Messi and against France he showed once again that he is a very good GK. It's kinda his fault on Pogba's (another amazing player!, I'm sure Manchester United has something to say about him hehe) goal and it's 50/50 on the second goal I think, but still he made some superb saves.

It's the kind of Goalkeepers I like, those who fly around making amazing saves, even those that are nearly impossible, he is quite humble (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9Umxt0lmk) too
I also love Enyeama, he is a very humble and amiable player.   He was joking around with Messi after being scored on by him last week, and also with the ref.  He's a pretty exciting keeper to watch, and keepers are usually my favourite. 
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 01-07-2014, 19:07:02
Does the swiss team have any swiss in them?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 01-07-2014, 19:07:21
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrdEcpLCMAAcds6.jpg)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 01-07-2014, 21:07:15
Benaglio, respect.

Still lacking something, Messi starting from the midfield is a big no, I think we forgot Higuain in Italy, the defense is still terrible but they managed to stop most of the weak Swiss attacks. Mascherano is a beast, everyone looks up to Messi but Mascherano does the job, silently. Formidable opponents, similar to what Iran did but more dangerous with their counterattacks.

They went for it, the post, I couldn't breath.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 01-07-2014, 23:07:19
USA USA USA USA USA USA!

Edit: fuck lady luck. Goddamn Belgium.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 02-07-2014, 00:07:40
Yes!!!! I love Kevin de Brunye.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 02-07-2014, 01:07:41
Great match, sorry for the USA, they played so well against Portugal, but couldn't uphold it against our southern neighbours. Now it's up to them to beat Argentina and I don't see them do that easily.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 02-07-2014, 01:07:00
Deserved win, remined my of Germany's performance yesterday. Thousand chances but no goal, forcing an unnecessary overtime. Anyway, at least US started playing proper football towards the end. Just bad that they needed a motivational boost to play properly after their goal and after being non existent in the offense for most of the game.

I see an interesting game of Belgium vs Argentina comig.

Also props to Ottmar Hitzfeld for having a grat coach career and being one of the most skilled and humble coaches around. Very likeable man, too bad Switzerland din't make it to the quarterfinals.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 02-07-2014, 01:07:17
Damn....


 Oh well, I have American Football & College Basketball to keep me busy until next....

...........4 years from now.............

........In Russia..........


.......Damn!!


Think this World Cup is corrupt.......................just wait!!


Go Flying Dutchmen!
 :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 02-07-2014, 07:07:25
Yes!!!! I love Kevin de Brunye.

Are you in the US mate? Why you are not excited to defend the new football fan recruits?

They invented this new cute term for diving, called "flopping."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28100892
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 02-07-2014, 14:07:32
Yes!!!! I love Kevin de Brunye.

Are you in the US mate? Why you are not excited to defend the new football fan recruits?

They invented this new cute term for diving, called "flopping."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28100892
I live in Ohio, yeah.  However my mother spent a long time in Belgium in her youth and my family has gone on holidays there many times, I really love the country, and I'm cheering for them because I want to see them do well not out of spite for the Americans.  I live in the States but I don't feel any real connection, I have never considered myself American.  The Yanks have enough sports wins I couldn't stand the smugness should they ever win a World Cup. 

I'm excited for new football fans, but to be complete realistic there really won't be many.  You couldn't even tell that there is a world cup on at the moment in the US.  People cheer for the USA but they watch almost no other games, they are very casual fans and once American football season starts again no one will think about any other type of football.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 02-07-2014, 16:07:06
The smugness... ah, we excel in every sports, time to make disparaging remarks now.

I have heard an American saying that "we don't win the world cup because our best athletes are not in the team." Then they go on about having NFL top Linebackers as the defense and top NBA rebounder as the goalkeeper. Then they can have good punter and MLB top base runners as the winger, etc etc etc...  ;D

Dang the Yanks. I bet England losing to Germany won't heard as much as losing to USA. Anyway, since all of my underdogs are taken out, and my brother's Colombia is still going strong, I shall contest him by supporting the Dutch. Go Dutchies!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 02-07-2014, 23:07:09
The best finals would be Belgium vs the Netherlands. Sadly one of them is on the wrong side of that whole bracket thingie.

Germany vs Netherlands would be fun. Where the Netherlands would proceed to lose with 0-7.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 03-07-2014, 22:07:43
With the shape both teams are in, it will never be 0-7. Or 7-0, for that matter.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 04-07-2014, 04:07:52
Both team are not like Italy or England (except its clubs e.g. Liverpool). When they are defeated 3-0, they still keep their spirit and could equalize in any moment.

So it could be 7-7 and end up in penalties, leaving the defeated fans grieving, because like Roberto Baggio said, "I couldn't accept defeat through penalty shoot-outs."
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Gezoes on 04-07-2014, 13:07:24
The best finals would be Belgium vs the Netherlands. Sadly one of them is on the wrong side of that whole bracket thingie.

Germany vs Netherlands would be fun. Where the Netherlands would proceed to lose with 0-7.

Or you get kicked out by France.

After that, it's still Brazil or Colombia. It's quite clear that the Fifa wants Brazil vs Argentina, so that's what it will be. I am sure they will pull out a referee from Neverheardfromthatistan, or their regular clown Webb. If the Netherlands make it, I am fairly sure we will lose the 4th final in recent history. Germany will be home by then though, it's nice football, but the Algerians went through the defence like butter. I think France will take it, they play much more solid.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 04-07-2014, 14:07:07
Pfft, we are the only team with top players on each position. France can only harm us when Löw puts up a shit lineup again or when there are stupid individual mistakes (red card, bad luck, wrong & vital referee decisions) We don't play as pretty football as 2010 for example, but we are a lot better than 4 years ago. The more quality and offensive ambitions the enemy has, the better we will play. Furthermore only the first half vs Algeria was horrible. As soon as Mustafi got injured, Khedira and Schweinsteiger played in the center and Lahm got to right defense. Had some bad luck then. When we play this way this evening I don't worry about some France being hyped for some mediocre football they play at all.

Teams learn from such matches, it's probably better than getting through every game without trouble. When we advance vs France we will probably meet Colombia rather than Brazil (I think Colombia will win it), which are an equally difficult challenge.

The regular clown "Howard Webb" is currently the best referee in my opinion. He is strict and clear, he was the perfect referee in Chile vs Brazil for example, where everyone knew that a lot of emotions would be involved. He makes mistakes as well, but he has a clear  line of being a referee he is following for many years now. Meanwhile others don't show yellow for hard fouls and on the other day they give it for some nonsense.

Anyway, finals: Germany vs NL
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 04-07-2014, 18:07:14
Looking good for Germany so far. As predicted by you lot, their defenses are weak, Evra and Lahm couldn't organise their men well. At 13' Hummels just muscle his way in, pushing Varane away while dueling the ball on air. So, 7-0 for German victory? Currently, the Maginot line is not as solid as the Siegfried line.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 04-07-2014, 19:07:44
DEUTSCHLAAAAAAAAAAAAND!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 04-07-2014, 19:07:16
It's like they play well only every second game.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 04-07-2014, 21:07:25
It's like they play well only every second game.
But France only plays well every second World Cup!  I don't know what to believe anymore
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Khaine on 04-07-2014, 21:07:50
In this game both France and Germany deserved to lose, it was a horrible match to watch.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 05-07-2014, 00:07:47
There it goes, one of the few teams that played football is now eliminated from the World Cup, a shame to lose against a Brasil that is really an Anti-Brasil.


This can't continue on, Referee on the match was absurd, red for Julio Cesar, almost no Yellows (60' and no yellows!!!) and not entirely sure if David Luiz goal comes from a legit foul.

Germany I just don't like you, but I certainly like you more than Brasil, please...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 05-07-2014, 00:07:04
If Germany plays again like they did against France, they will win against Brasil.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 05-07-2014, 01:07:13
Yep-
In this game both France and Germany deserved to lose, it was a horrible match to watch.

No, our boys controlled the game. France played badly. Never been really dangerous. We just did what we needed to and not more. The Schürrle shot should have gone in, but we just did not do more than necessary. Especially on defense this was a great performance. Not pretty, but effective.

Not worried about Brazil to be honest. Too bad Colombia is out, liked how they played. However, what they did today was bad. I think they were not used to play being behind..
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 05-07-2014, 02:07:55
Brazil played better than before, but Colombia played better in their previous matches than Brazil did today. The referee wasn't that bad, he just whistled too often (for both sides - but hey, they were rolling om the ground more foten than playing football even). Germany must win over the Brazilians, then we can have our dream final ;) (first we must beat Costa Rica and Argentina/Belgium, though).
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 05-07-2014, 02:07:26
And the World Cup is over for Neymar, that hit by Zuñiga got him a broken vertebra.

This way Brasil would lose two stars for the clash against Germany, Thiago Silva for accumulation of Yellow Cards and Neymar for his broken vertebra.


I thought he was just "making time" while on the ground, when he was picked up I saw his face and boy it was true pain, it's hard to trust in him for all the drama he does but this one was for real.



Slayer, the referee was terrible, please reconsider, 60 minutes and not a single Yellow card was given, while some fouls were not Yellow card worthy, the FIFA says that if the game is interrupted by fouls too often the Ref. must start showing the yellow card.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 05-07-2014, 14:07:15
Slayer, the referee was terrible, please reconsider, 60 minutes and not a single Yellow card was given, while some fouls were not Yellow card worthy, the FIFA says that if the game is interrupted by fouls too often the Ref. must start showing the yellow card.
It's also the habit of the teams which played yesterday to fake injury, which made the refereee not show yellow cards more often. In the Netherlands there is a lot of attention for the reaction in the international media about the "dive" of Robben which gave us the penalty vs Mexico, but if you watch another game vs two South American teams, you can see som 25-50 dives in one single game.

I agree that the referee could have whistled better: for example he could have let the game go on when the players were diving (like when Hulk was diving which gave Brazil the free kick from which the 2nd goal was scored), or he could have shown more yellow cards. He chose a middle way. Luckily he wasn't helping one team, as he was blowing the whistle on both teams often. But this referee wasn't as bad as certain others I have seen during this WC.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 05-07-2014, 20:07:29
Actually, the team who loves diving the most in this tournament is Brazil. USA is 7th.

Statistics compiled as of June 25th, 2014 by Wall Street Journal.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/6/25/5843160/world-cup-flop-rankings-injury-time-math-science-ftw
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 06-07-2014, 01:07:33
Wow, WTF!!! What a thriller! And what a brilliant move by our coach to put that goalkeeper in!! I'm f*cking happy and drunk!!!#@!@
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 06-07-2014, 01:07:06
Disgusting that the ref didn't immediately give that keeper a yellow card when he went over to the Costa Rican players to talk to them-
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 06-07-2014, 01:07:57
 ??? ??? ???

That's not a foul, you know.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 06-07-2014, 03:07:21
Well done to Belgium and Costa Rica!  Two teams that can go home with their heads held high, having made their homes very proud.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 06-07-2014, 15:07:33
??? ??? ???

That's not a foul, you know.

It's a fucking dutchy moron giving me all reason to hate on your football team once more. Bad sportsmanship, typical slimebag tryhard boy.

Fully agree with Hjaldrgud.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 06-07-2014, 17:07:34
??? ??? ???

That's not a foul, you know.

It's a fucking dutchy moron giving me all reason to hate on your football team once more. Bad sportsmanship, typical slimebag tryhard boy.

Fully agree with Hjaldrgud.
Wow, Surfbird. You must be really scared to play against our team, right? So much hate, incredible. "Tryhard boy", lol, that sounds like he didn't succceed. I only see one tryhard boy here, Surfbird ;) "Bad sportsmanship" was there from Bryan Ruiz, writhing on the grass like he was dying and when the ball got played out by Sneijder he quickly stood up again. And "slimebag" from the mouth of a German is really killing me, the country of all slimebags actually is Germany when it comes to football, the word schwalbe isn't a German word for nothing, you know.  ;)

It's not a foul what Krul did, if you like you can read the rules of the game and find that out. It's called psychological warfare, and it is totally OK for a goalkeeper to do so. Other goalkeepers do other tricks to mindf*ck the penaltykicker, Krul did this one. It would have been a foul if he would have kicked or hit the player, but that's not the case and you know it.

This is 10000 times better than the flopping Brazilians or crybaby Mueller. Just make sure you win the Brazil game, so we can beat your asses in the final.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 06-07-2014, 17:07:20
Pah, it's a bitch move what your replacement keeper did. Might not be a foul, but it's just as disgusting as all the diving and raising the arm for whatever reason all the time. It's my personl opinion on this. Should not be allowed. A keeper of true class doesn't need this.

I agree Müller is a crybaby, I'm not a fan of him, no worries. He complains constantly and I don't approve. I am foreseeing the Germany vs NL finals since the first game of Germany and NL. It will happen. Just that I don't see a way for NL to win, as quality lacks on the one or other important position. Germany is clearly the best team in terms of the squad in this worldcup, although not playing the most spectecular football. The game vs Ghana was a lesson and our lineup was properly adjusted after the game vs Algeria. Unless Robben takes flight again and/or the referee is stupid, I am not too concerned.

When it comes down to football, I hate the dutch team with a passion. I've been holding my comments abck for the most part this WC, but after all there are too many reasons delivered to do so, I'm sorry.

Anyway, I need to add that losing the finals to a goal by Robben (although he is more likeable than others to me) would be a personal catastrophe for me, no doubt.


About next game vs Brazil:

Neymar & Thiago Silva out. Anyway, Neymar being gone might make Brazils playstyle harder to predict and I expect a major motivational extra boost, to the already existing high motivational level for them which might become a problem. From a quality point of view, without those 2 key players, Brazil should not be a problem.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 06-07-2014, 18:07:02
I wonder what you would think if it was Neuer who had done this. I somehow doubt that your opinion would be the same. Check what the BBC analysts say about Krul: http://nos.nl/wk2014/video/671350-i-like-my-keeper-to-do-that.html

We have one position which is way better than Germany: the coach. And then we have Robben, of course. I understand you are afraid of him, since you post that he "takes flight again", while he was done exactly one dive, and he admitted that one, too. I really think that all the attention for the Robben "dives" are out of fear, because otherwise we would have had way more attention for Brazilian dives, Chilean dives, Mexican dives, Argentinian dives, etc, etc, just check the flopping ranking by Wall Street Journal (linked by Zoo a few posts back).

I used to hate the German team, too. They stole our WC in 1974 by making a schwalbe, and some of my best memories in football are from the 1988 semifinals. But since I have seen the German team actually trying to play attractive football (since Klinsmann was coach), my hate has dwindled. I have also grown older and have become wiser. I think rivalry is OK, but when you really start hating, something is really going wrong inside your head.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 06-07-2014, 18:07:17
He is German, He only knows of two thinks: Of workings and of Hatings Untermensch :P.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 06-07-2014, 20:07:10
They say "Yuo are messi only", ha, they don't know Mascherano... :)

(http://www.elgraficomundial.com.ar/advf/imagenes/53b859b9f1b1d.jpg)

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 06-07-2014, 20:07:32
An average player? Cause that is basically what he is.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 06-07-2014, 20:07:58
He is no super star, never said he was, neither is "average", he does his job, he is the only one defending in the middle, Di Maria (Now injured..) can't defend very well and Gago sucks at defending, so the job falls on Mascherano alone. He is not only playing very well on this World Cup but also he also has personality, I always see him talking to his teammates ordering them to do things right, even insulting them when needed, if you played football in a organized team I'm sure you had one of those guys.

He has spirit, he is hungry for glory, in contrast to many "Super Stars".
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 06-07-2014, 21:07:23
...

Come on, don't make up a story out of this. My original comment was certainly a tad over the top, but I don't seriously "hate". It's well measured dislike resulting in me hoping for the opponent teams rather than NL. I have my opinion about certain players and you have yours. No need to insult me because I don't like your favourite football players.

If Neuer would have done that I honestly would not have cared too much although realizing it's still bad sportsmanship. After all the result is what counts, so I see that you don't mind it too much. In the retrospective it's not a fair move anyway, I'll stick to that.

 But other than you think I don't like every single guy from the German team because he is German. Müller, Götze, Draxler or Großkreutz are really not the most likeable players to me. On the other hand I consider the rest of the team as mostly mature and humble players. Good examples are Podolski, Mertesacker, Schweinsteiger, Klose, Kramer or Kroos.

Anyway, at this point I really want this Germany - Netherlands final so I actually hope you advance vs Argentina, who I don't really like either. But I won't cry when you go home either ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 06-07-2014, 23:07:33
No need to insult me because I don't like your favourite football players.
I honestly didn't intend to insult you. The last few lines weren't aimed at you, but more in general. I have posted them before, in another thread which was about football rivalry. It was meant to be more in the line of thought which shows that extremism is more common with youngsters, etc. Sorry that it came across like an insult to you.

It's well measured dislike resulting in me hoping for the opponent teams rather than NL.
Good, I like that :)

Anyway, at this point I really want this Germany - Netherlands final so I actually hope you advance vs Argentina, who I don't really like either. But I won't cry when you go home either ;)
Of course you won't cry, because it will improve the chances of your team to win this WC ;) See you on Sunday!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 07-07-2014, 06:07:38
Actually, if Robben does not dive, he plays great, his feet is so skillful and could create devastating chances inside the penalty box with some little work.

So the best chance for the opponent team is that he does his favourite hobby.

The same goes for Messi. When you see him doing that, you know that there will be goal or just near miss. Javier Mascherano is a superstar alright. He plays for Barca and played with top defenders like Carles Puyol and Shakira's boyfriend.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Gezoes on 07-07-2014, 16:07:30
Yeah, Robben is the first to perform a schwalbe during a WC, what a disgrace!

I hope we beat Argentina (probably not though, but who knows), and I really hope Brazil gets kicked out by Germany. However, Germany would do wise to leave remarks about schwalbe's at our adress at home, given their rather stained history on the subject, cough.

Continue.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 07-07-2014, 18:07:29
Robben plays for quite some time in Germany now. He's all about winning, and he does what's needed. Don't get why you dutchies are so sensitive about it and why you have to dig out the most irrelevant remark in there. When a dive is needed, he dives. And no, he's not the only one. End of story. Currently he is the best player in the world to me, especially as he actively works - other than Messi or Ronaldo who walk all game until they get the ball. While he was a major factor in losing the CL final vs Chelsea, he improved a lot in terms of being a better teamplayer on the court and in personality over the last two years. He's an ambitious player, Müller is the same type. He also dives when needed, but Robben is better at it :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 07-07-2014, 22:07:31
Don't get why you dutchies are so sensitive about it
I think sensitive is a tad too heavy a word for it, but what I personally can't stand, is that people take over outdated info they heard somewhere and then simply accept it as truth and start spreading it further.

Yes, Robben used to fall on the ground a lot, but that was years ago. In the Dutch national team he has improved a lot on that point (can't be so sure about Bayern, because I don't follow Bundesliga so closely). Still, people complain about Robben diving all the time, while there are entire teams writhing on the ground for minutes and faking injuries like no tomorrow (again, see the ranking linked by Zoo earlier). And since those teams (Chile, Mexico) don't get so much attention when it comes to this, I can only conclude one thing: those teams (Costa Rica's coach did it too a few days before our match against them) need this Robben complaining because they are afraid of him.

Saddest country is Mexico, where everyone is liking some hatesong composed by a 10-year old, and people write "Fue no penal" on voting bills in local elections, while nobody in that country wonders how it could happen that Hector Moreno broke his leg while trying to stop Robben in the first half. That kind of selective judging is what mat makes me "sensitive".
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 07-07-2014, 23:07:56
So saying to a player that you know in which corner he is going to shoot is bad sportsmanship.
I'd say it takes balls cause you are the one that looks like a fool when balls flies past you in the goal.

The actual bad sportsmanship is the increasing numbers of faking injury, diving and little kicks when you think the ref isn't watching. It almost makes me not want to watch Football any more, just like the Tour de France has been totally ruined by the constant doping affairs. 

I think final will be Netherlands vs Germany and the Germans do what they always do, win in the last minute  :(
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 08-07-2014, 05:07:55
I think final will be Netherlands vs Germany and the Germans do what they always do, win in the last minute  :(

Not if RVP get back to his form and attacked Lahm & Co. aggressively. Even the mighty Neuer will be defeated if RVP, Robben, Kuyt (Depay), Sneijder attacked relentlessly. The Aachen will be captured! Just like the Germans bypassed Maginot line and let Hummels finish the French.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 08-07-2014, 06:07:36
We don't have the best defense, nor the best goalkeeper, but we have the best player in the World.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 08-07-2014, 10:07:05
We don't have the best defense, nor the best goalkeeper, but we have the best player in the World.
He just isn't really in top shape now, is he? Against Belgium he didn't really show what he is capable of. I sincerely hope that he will finally show his best skills next Saturday ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 08-07-2014, 22:07:59
Lolz, germany is raping the brazilians badly.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 08-07-2014, 22:07:08
What a massacre!

AHAHAHAHA

(http://x4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Who+knows+this+might+get+front-page+Some+funny+_649b6a437989510a5067e62d159a5030.gif)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 08-07-2014, 22:07:31
Is 4 goals in 10 minutes a new record?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 08-07-2014, 22:07:26
5 goals in like half an hour. lets see if they can do more then 10.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 08-07-2014, 22:07:33
wat

They lost the world cup in the game against Columbia.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 08-07-2014, 22:07:10
We should have mercy rules in football. This is too humiliating.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 08-07-2014, 22:07:21
 Happy for Germany, but i smell corruption.

 Someone is set to make allot of money.


 ::)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 08-07-2014, 22:07:51
Germans should watch out, Brazil don't take revenge on their ankles.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 08-07-2014, 22:07:04
hey germany, chill... 5-0 enough, already our worse defeat, and at home... Comon, we are the two most traditional teams in football, have some mercy!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 08-07-2014, 22:07:38
☐ not rekt ☑ rekt
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 08-07-2014, 22:07:12
wat

They lost the world cup in the game against Columbia.

So you are saying the whole team of Brazil is basicly Neymar and his gang of goons?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 08-07-2014, 22:07:00
wat

They lost the world cup in the game against Columbia.

So you are saying the whole team of Brazil is basicly Neymar and his gang of goons?

Apparently, yes.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 08-07-2014, 22:07:46
wat

They lost the world cup in the game against Columbia.

So you are saying the whole team of Brazil is basicly Neymar and his gang of goons?

This is Brasil without Neymar mate, Brasil is no longer the Monster it used to be, this has to be the Worst Brasil ever.

No stopping, continue on, humilliate them in their own country.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 08-07-2014, 22:07:00
Even with Neymar and Silva their defense remains weak. German is the first team to give actual opposition.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 08-07-2014, 22:07:30
Worst account of rape ever recorded and seen on public television.

When will the German rape train end? 7? 8? 9?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 08-07-2014, 22:07:15
 The announcers said Brazil hasnt lost a home game this big in 40 years.


 :o
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Smiles on 08-07-2014, 22:07:06
Loving it so far! I wish Germany shows the same quality next game :)

O and btw, awsome .Gif :P


(http://x4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Who+knows+this+might+get+front-page+Some+funny+_649b6a437989510a5067e62d159a5030.gif)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 08-07-2014, 23:07:23
Apparently the biggest FIFA rape so far was a 10-1 game. lets see if they can top that.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 08-07-2014, 23:07:14
Quote
The announcers said Brazil hasnt lost a home game this big in 40 years.

Actually brazil didnt lose an official match in a home game in 40 years. ( and friendlies the last one was 2002)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 08-07-2014, 23:07:40
All along, the underdogs have been winning by having the opponents scoring under the odds or winning the game. Currently, Brazil is the shocker and betting houses are racking in profits.

As for the game, it is Germans, they roll over everything, whether you are ready or not.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 08-07-2014, 23:07:42
it is Germans, they roll over everything, whether you are ready or not.
Like in the good old times.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 08-07-2014, 23:07:30
(http://s25.postimg.org/5351eilwv/10151998_767357213307473_4340249126338706092_n.jpg)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 08-07-2014, 23:07:06
Ouch ouch when does the pain stop.... Poor Fred.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 08-07-2014, 23:07:21
6-0. Could be the biggest ever victory in a WC Semi.

 Im watching history......


 :o
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 08-07-2014, 23:07:24
Im watching a public execution.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 08-07-2014, 23:07:53
This is for adults only!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Jimi Hendrix on 08-07-2014, 23:07:32
 Germany up by a touchdown.....

 Brazilian fans giving the German team an "Olay"....


 whatever the hell that is.....
 :P
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Sander93 on 08-07-2014, 23:07:03
Poor Fred.

I missed that part, what did the poor guy do to deserve that relentless disapproval of the Brazilian public?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 08-07-2014, 23:07:55
awesome game  ;D
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 09-07-2014, 00:07:35
Poor Fred.

I missed that part, what did the poor guy do to deserve that relentless disapproval of the Brazilian public?

Nothing. Yeah, nothing at all.

Keep in mind that mighty RONALDO used to wear that No.9 shirt, now Fred, mediocre player.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 09-07-2014, 00:07:56
Poor Fred.

I missed that part, what did the poor guy do to deserve that relentless disapproval of the Brazilian public?
He's underperformed this tournament.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RAnDOOm on 09-07-2014, 00:07:52
Im sorry, but this one is perfect for what happened:

(http://i.imgur.com/mjJaPQB.gif)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: luftwaffe.be on 09-07-2014, 00:07:55
HUMILIATION
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 09-07-2014, 00:07:17
Quote
Brazilian fans giving the German team an "Olay"....


 whatever the hell that is.....
 :P

Its olé, and usually it is used when a team is humiliating the other.

Anyway.. we still got a 3rd place match lulz
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 09-07-2014, 00:07:46
Poor Wulfburk, you can't beg mercy to Germans, they are just relentless. As for Brazil, I think Scolari and Fernandinho have a lot of questions to answer.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 09-07-2014, 00:07:14
Scolari and most importantly, the CBF, IMO.

I wonder how we'll perform in 2018....
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 09-07-2014, 00:07:43
Total Football, in your face Greece&other antifootball teams!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 09-07-2014, 00:07:59
Loving it so far! I wish Germany shows the same quality next game :)
You think Argentina will win tomorrow, or what?

Total Football, in your face Greece&other antifootball teams!
Total football, brought to you by the Dutch team in 1974. :)

@ match: biggest defeat I have ever seen on a WC. Germany pummled the Brazilians with the 4 goals in 5 minutes scoring. Part one of the plan of a Ned-Ger final has succeeded, now I hope for two things, no three:
1) Argentina loses tomorrow
2) Germany will gain +200 hubris and start underestimating
3) Brazilian towns and favelas will still stand tomorrow and not being burned down tonight.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-07-2014, 01:07:14

3) Brazilian towns and favelas will still stand tomorrow and not being burned down tonight.

Dunno, maybe a good revolution is just what this world needs.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 09-07-2014, 01:07:58
Then you haven't seen WC 2002 in which Germany destroyed Saudi Arabia 8-0.

Go netherlands!

(http://www.freshlysocial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mick-jagger.jpg)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 09-07-2014, 01:07:17
What the hell was that? When the score was suddenly 4:0 with 3 goals in a couple of minutes, achieved by some easy passes in the penalty area in similar ways, it looked like in practice. Unreal performance and horrible defense by Brazil. We played great, but Brazils defense was not existing. How can you play like that with that line of defense, even without Thiago Silva?

And Fred got humiliated for a reason. Anyway, although I have been criticizing him all tournament, nobody deserves this. I rather blame Scolari for putting him in the lineup, although they surely lack alternatives on that position. Also I feel bad for Julio Cesar, classy and emotional guy, honest and humble. Also, none of the 7 goals were his fault.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 09-07-2014, 01:07:08
Well, Fred's jersey was supposed to be Pato's. The public just do comparison and imagine the possibilities of other Brazil squad. Because you still have Robinho and Kaka and many others.

Brazil's current "selection" has put them down. Brazil is one of few countries blessed with countless talents, this may cause problems when forming a definitive quad. At least Portugal's selection is not as big as Brazil's, therefore they are not a real select few and already maxed out. But in Brazil, Scolari decided to be a bit hipster with his selection and he reaped what he sow.

Well Julio Cesar is good. All of the goals came from defender's mistake. Nobody really check the German attackers, not even mark them closely.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 09-07-2014, 01:07:47
Maybe not 100% Cesar's fault, but he was doing a shitty job on the 2nd goal. If he would have got that ball and not give it back again, Klose could have never scored.

But agreed, most of the goals were result of poor defending. Best goal saved for last: Schurrles kick on the underside of the bar was great!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RommelBr on 09-07-2014, 01:07:22
  Biggest live public rape i ever saw on TV. Let's see how it goes in my barracks tomorrow...
Also, this was the worst Brazillian National Soccer Football team of the whole soccer history.

 I hope people don't freak out and things get out of control on the streets (riots) , I want not be part of law and order missions.

 Blitzkrieg: Effective since 1939.

 EDIT: To Torenico.

   hello, I'm a brasilian, I'm here so you can make fun of me. Please, enjoy.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 09-07-2014, 02:07:26
A Brazilian calling Football "Soccer", thanks Obama.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 09-07-2014, 07:07:46
Well, Alfredo Di Stéfano died yesterday. Guardian's Barry Glendenning pointed out that the organizer has forgotten to take a minute of silence before the game, and the Argentinian 'intervened'.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-07-2014, 10:07:52
You know how especially the British press likes to use WW2 analogies when it comes to Germany in football? "German blitzkrieg" etc. In this game, I has my own WW2 moment, but for the Brazilians. That moment is 1945, when all was lost, but Hitler still though the "will" of the German people could win out against material superiority. Luckily, it can't. That is what I thought of after the nationalistic and emotional displays by the Brasilians, which were then followed by what can only be described as Operation Bagration 2.0.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 09-07-2014, 10:07:22
I love how you Germans stayed calm and collected through the overwhelming situations. British is always British, they love poking at others to get themselves into trouble and motivate themselves to overcome the trouble they get themselves into so they could re-live the "Battle of Britain, Agincourt, Trafalgar, etc etc moments."

It is a victory well-deserved. As for Brazil, I hope they stayed the "hue-hue-hue" casual, carefree and fun-loving attitude they are known for.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 09-07-2014, 10:07:33
I think the Germans cut them some slack and left them to score a goal. In my opinion if the Germans have pushed more it would have been much, much worse for the Brazilians.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Born2Kill 007 on 09-07-2014, 11:07:54
You know how especially the British press likes to use WW2 analogies when it comes to Germany in football?
I giggled at the colors of their shirts though

I think the Germans cut them some slack and left them to score a goal. In my opinion if the Germans have pushed more it would have been much, much worse for the Brazilians.
I think the last counter goal was done on purpose. IIRC, there was even only 1 defender running back in the end. My guess would be that they just wanted to avoid riots by letting the Brasilians go home with a goal.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Erwin on 09-07-2014, 11:07:00
Julio Cesar - Dani Alves - Thiago Silva - David Luiz - Marcelo - Lucas Moura - Felipe Melo - Kaka(Neymar) - Ronaldinho(Willan) - Pato

Fernandinho - Luis Gustavo - Paulinho all useless midfield players. Fred should be collecting balls rather than playing. Hulk...

Germany of course won a landslide slide because of Silva missing the match. Dante and Luiz are the same type, they need a leader type player next to them.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 09-07-2014, 13:07:55
(https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/l/t1.0-9/10527396_10204040526204424_1735340072014894630_n.jpg)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: PanzerKnacker on 09-07-2014, 13:07:54
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10530718_694149353973066_2162573979152874578_n.jpg)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-07-2014, 13:07:22
Bad analogy since it implies they almost won. Red Wedding would be better.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Gezoes on 09-07-2014, 14:07:12
That was pretty amazing. Hope we make it too, for a good old classic clash in the final.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Roughbeak on 09-07-2014, 15:07:36
Wow! I watched the whole round yesterday, 'twas amazing how Germany blew them out.

Hope for a good round today - Dutch vs Argentina.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 09-07-2014, 17:07:14
The thing is, even with Silva and Neymar, Brazil is bad already (comparing to my best memory of 3Rs). Without them, they are worse. But it is not an excuse to concede 7-1 like yesterday, it is just a poor show. Brazil fans is right for cheering the Germans at the end and concluded that their team's performance is just beyond-any-excuse bad. Even a team like Algeria that doesn't have million Euro players like David Luiz, Hulk, etc, still managed to tame the Germans.

One thing really hate though: the dives and brazen attempts at claiming it to the referee. It is never a legitimate victory when you cheat. When you replace jogo bonito with dives, that's what happened.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Berkolok on 09-07-2014, 18:07:42
after missing 8. goal mesut ozil cursed in turkish (hassiktir yaaa) means ; mehhh f*ck this sh*t
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 09-07-2014, 18:07:08
That shall annul his Ramadhan fasting.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 09-07-2014, 18:07:00
@Zoo

As German TV expert Mehmet Scholl already correctly stated, nowadays even teams that are considered weaker are able to come up with a good defensive setting which can make it hard for the opposing team. The stronger the defense the more trouble our team seems to have. That's why I'm not afraid of playing the Netherlands in the finals for example. They can only play their 3-4-3 lineup. When they choose a more defensive setting they remove the worlds best wing player from his favourite spot and things don't work out anymore. So they will have to hope that their offene is good enough to overcome our defense, but will give us a lot of room as well.

Already preparing for the final, can't imagine Argentina wins. I can say that most people here really want the dutch team playing us in the finals, although they are considered the bigger challenge.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 09-07-2014, 20:07:29
That's why I'm not afraid of playing the Netherlands in the finals for example. They can only play their 3-4-3 lineup.
Mmm, I thought you knew more about the game, Surfbird. We have played 3-4-3 exactly zero times this WC. We have played 5-3-2, 4-3-3, 3-3-4 and even 4-2-4 for a short time.

I hope we win tonight, so Louis van Gaal can complete his to do-list:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br3OnoECQAENiTs.jpg:large)
Translation:
wraak=revenge
afrekenen met=deal with
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Smiles on 09-07-2014, 20:07:27
what fucking idiot decides to play a fucking final on a fucking sunday? I gotta work the next fucking day early.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 09-07-2014, 20:07:30
what fucking idiot decides to play a fucking final on a fucking sunday? I gotta work the next fucking day early.

Who cares? i have to work on that Sunday in the evening. It is only a minority of people that work 9 to 5 mon to friday. Stop complaining.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 09-07-2014, 20:07:08
That's why I'm not afraid of playing the Netherlands in the finals for example. They can only play their 3-4-3 lineup.
Mmm, I thought you knew more about the game, Surfbird. We have played 3-4-3 exactly zero times this WC. We have played 5-3-2, 4-3-3, 3-3-4 and even 4-2-4 for a short time.

Ok thanks for that info. I honestly didn't dig too deep in your tactics or more like, in your lineup. The 5-3-2 was the one that you played vs Mexico in the first half? I'm not sure. But something didn't work out there and my point remains that your generally offensive setting will rather benefit us. I think I mixed it up with 4-3-3 and 3-3-4 then. I'm sure you played with 3 defenders vs Costa Rica, did you play that 3-3-4 there? I thought it was a 3-4-3 I think.

Edit: Ah yea, it's the 4-3-3 not the 3-4-3 system you traditionally play. According to German website you indeed played 3-4-3 vs Costa Rica though (Source (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/wm/spiele/weltmeisterschaft/2014/5/1417877/taktische-austellung_niederlande_costa-rica.html))
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 09-07-2014, 21:07:31
Amen, Siben. Real men work on Sunday. I hope I can finish my work just before it starts and be home on time  :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Smiles on 09-07-2014, 21:07:35
Awsome your working other shifts.. Totally..
Doesnt change playing a final on sundays insanely stupid.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 09-07-2014, 22:07:07
Think it will be 2-0 for Netherlands, but then i thought it would be 1-0 yesterday for Brazil...


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Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 09-07-2014, 22:07:32
Awsome your working other shifts.. Totally..
Doesnt change playing a final on sundays insanely stupid.
Why? It's a traditional resting day so people in Brazil are all free to watch. Why is this "insanely stupid"? Because you have your 9 to 5 shift on Monday and find it ridiculous that Brazil doesn't look at your time zone and work schedule?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-07-2014, 23:07:15
BOOOOOORING.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Smiles on 09-07-2014, 23:07:12
Awsome your working other shifts.. Totally..
Doesnt change playing a final on sundays insanely stupid.
Why? It's a traditional resting day so people in Brazil are all free to watch. Why is this "insanely stupid"? Because you have your 9 to 5 shift on Monday and find it ridiculous that Brazil doesn't look at your time zone and work schedule?

alcohol
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 09-07-2014, 23:07:15
BOOOOOORING.
Agreed, but for fans of both teams, this is a thriller.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 10-07-2014, 00:07:13
Awsome your working other shifts.. Totally..
Doesnt change playing a final on sundays insanely stupid.
Why? It's a traditional resting day so people in Brazil are all free to watch. Why is this "insanely stupid"? Because you have your 9 to 5 shift on Monday and find it ridiculous that Brazil doesn't look at your time zone and work schedule?

alcohol

If you cant enjoy a game without alcohol than you have a problem and should go to a doctor.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 10-07-2014, 00:07:24
Or find a better game.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 10-07-2014, 00:07:38
Penalties, I think this game was very much 50-50, so a logic outcome so far. Let's go Dutch team!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 10-07-2014, 00:07:01
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Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Kubador on 10-07-2014, 00:07:15
Argentina played a tad better and won rightfully so (although I hoped for NL vs GER). And now...

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Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 10-07-2014, 00:07:49
To spell the myth, no European team ever won in American soil. So it could be Argentina?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 10-07-2014, 00:07:24
IMO Germany are more likely to win the final, based on todays performance.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-07-2014, 00:07:50
Soap in that Anus argentina, Germany is coming in hard
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Roughbeak on 10-07-2014, 01:07:57
Very close round today, but boring - not much scoring. The shootout was the only bright spot of the game. ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 10-07-2014, 01:07:39
Of course it's boring coming from a 7-1 hehe.


No Netherlands, finals are played by World Cup winners only.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 10-07-2014, 01:07:55
Argentina played a tad better and won rightfully so (although I hoped for NL vs GER). And now...
I disagree, especially in the end the Netherlands were playing better. Overall it was a typical 0-0 game. Sadly our team couldn't do the penalty trick twice. Congrats to Argentina, I'm looking forward to the final, even though our team isn't in it.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 10-07-2014, 01:07:22
That "trick" left your boy Cillisen without any confidence in that penalty shootout. It's debatable how much impact something like that has, but Cillisen never seemed to be the most confident keeper to me. Going into a penalty shootout knowing he would have been exchanged again if possible and after the disappointement to be out of it vs Costa Rica in general, you can't expect a keeper to hold penalties. He was close to get 2 of them, I am sure self confidence is a major factor there.

And as Krul's acting is still an unfair move to me - Kharma is a bitch.


No need to discuss who played better, that was possibly the most boring game in the WC next to Iran vs Nigeria, just that it took 30 more minutes. No risks taken, nobody seemed to be really willing to win. I really thought NL would get back strong in this game, but it seems that after the preliminaries something went wrong as the third game in a row was simply no good football. As a conclusion this looks like a downwards trend to me after all. Didn't expect that though.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 10-07-2014, 02:07:18
Didn't expect NL to leave group phase, so that was nice. Shitty playing from both teams, boring match. Cillissen is a nice guy but sucks at penalties. Vlaar was a beast though, what a guy.

Referee put a bet on Argentina I think, ignoring the shirt tucking and shit. I'll be cheering for Germany now, who will rightfully wreck this boring blue and white line up.

And still no star for NL, becoming a bit of a sad story.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 10-07-2014, 03:07:39
Boring? Yes. But bad? No!

It is a show of good defense IMO. Mascherano and friends really turn RVP off. Only Kuyt and Robben is alive. Sad to see Depay not playing in.

Karma stacking against the Dutch are not plenty. I can only think of Robben's dive against Mexico.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: siben on 10-07-2014, 10:07:22
The Dutch airplane seems to have left for home already.

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Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 10-07-2014, 10:07:09
The game was fun if you like watching good defense, which I don't  >:(.
Kinda hoped Van Gaal would switch to 4-4-3 during extension to have people attack from sides, get more balls to Van Persie/Huntelaar. Trying to cut through the middle doesn't work vs Argentinia as also seen with the Belgian team.

So now we have GER vs ARG. That Argentinian meat is tough to slice through with German Bratwurst. They played a hell of a defence and then do a hail mary to Messi and hopes he scores. So I will root for Germany during the finals, hope they play offence football.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 10-07-2014, 10:07:56
That "trick" left your boy Cillisen without any confidence in that penalty shootout.
Nah, I don't mean the goalkeeper exchange thing, but the shoting of the penalties itself. Previous shootout, our team shot 4 out of 4. This time we missed two, which is worse than Cillissen not stopping any. And well, I really don't believe in karma.

I think the first game against Spain put some high expectations on the team, and they did better than anyone expected. I'm glad they ended up in the last four of the world, which is a good show if you compare the countries:

Argentina - 40.117.096 inhabitants
Brazil - 190.755.799 inhabitants
Germany - 80.200.000 inhabitants
Netherlands - 16.779.575 inhabitants

I'm sad we can't see a classic final between Ned and Ger, but I'm sure we get a chance next EC, or maybe next WC.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 10-07-2014, 15:07:46
At least the Brazilians are on our side now. We are the ones that can prevent them from the nightmare of Argentina winning a WC in Brazil. Also that players are singing anti-Brazil songs possibly didn't make them too popular in the rest of the world either. So except Argentina and possibly some other South American countries, the world is on our side.

I'm not worried about the finals really. Will be tougher than vs Brazil and it's the finals, but the quality difference between German and Argentinian team is kinda huge. So if our guys play their game, it should end in a victory. Also Argentina has not proven seriously dangerous offensively at all this WC. So anything more than a 1:0 lead for ARG at some point is highly unlikely.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 10-07-2014, 15:07:06
Be careful not to underestimate them. It's still in South America, and European teams have never won a tournament over there yet. Also, the Argentinians will be hellbent on humiliating Brazil even further and win the WC in the Maracana.

I just hope the final will not be as boring as the semifinal yesterday, and may the best team win.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 10-07-2014, 17:07:43
I'm sad we can't see a classic final between Ned and Ger, but I'm sure we get a chance next EC, or maybe next WC.

A classic final would be Brasil v. Argentina as they have one of the most recognized rivalries in Football, that'd be awesome.

But you know, Brasil sucks...

GER.ARG is the most played final in WC history, counting 3. First one in 1986 which ended in a victory for Argentina and then in 1990 which ended in a victory for Germany, with a penalty that even wasn't a penalty.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 10-07-2014, 17:07:22
I've just realized that Argentina never conceded more than 6 goal anywhere. Also never lose with margin larger than 5 goals. That record was topped by Brazil two days ago. I watched a history.

Anyway, Argentina get their Di Maria back, so their midsections won't be the limping meatbags like when against the Netherlands. Messi can be a bit relieved.

A bit about Bra vs Ger (WC 2014).

A lot of comments many major news websites pointed out that Germany has a team, while others only have superstars. Germany tucked in their shirts, cut their hair neat, trimmed their facial hairs, and posed like gentlemen. While others unfurl their craziest hair style, inked every square centimeters of their skin, and pierced every body parts. The British might be the most self-loathing fans here. Some pointed out that they opted to go the "spice-boy" and outrageous pop culture nonsense way back in late 1990s, instead of maintaining their old fashioned witty gentlemanly attitude.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 10-07-2014, 18:07:04
A classic final would be Brasil v. Argentina as they have one of the most recognized rivalries in Football, that'd be awesome.
Yes, that would be one classic final. Ned-Ger would be another classic final. In South America the Bra-Arg rivalry is the most famous, but in Europe, the Ned-Ger rivalry is one of the classics.

Btw, you posted a lot about anti-football, while Argentina was playing exactly that yesterday, too.

Germany (..) trimmed their facial hairs, ...
Except Andre Schurrle  ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 10-07-2014, 19:07:36


Btw, you posted a lot about anti-football, while Argentina was playing exactly that yesterday, too.



Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players, I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: THeTA0123 on 10-07-2014, 19:07:53
Argentine played cowarly against Belgium last week :/ the most time stalling match ever.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Sander93 on 10-07-2014, 19:07:13
Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players, I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.

You didn't see the guy trying to cut Sneijder's lower leg in two? All the fouls on Robben? The Dutch didn't play clean either I won't deny that, but don't pretend Argentine played fair.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 10-07-2014, 20:07:40
Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players, I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.

You didn't see the guy trying to cut Sneijder's lower leg in two? All the fouls on Robben? The Dutch didn't play clean either I won't deny that, but don't pretend Argentine played fair.

The Sneijder incident, yeah, I think it's more due to Demichelis being a brute and a limited player than going directly to break the dutchman (It's like saying that Zuñiga broke Neymar's vertebra on purpose, he did that because he is a brute, he is limited on the defense, he didn't meant to do that).., the fouls on Robben? I don't recall Robben being fouled constantly, you can't say Argentina played Antifootball when they attacked more, then Holland's strategy was the same as the Argentine, mark Messi for Holland and mark Robben for us.

There were a few incidents for both side, I think the Netherlands walks off being the most violent, even though they were not 2010 Final level.., cutting every Argentine buildup with tackles (Not the most violent ones tho), the Dutchman with his legs extended that almost cut Biglia on half and the foul without ball on, Enzo Perez I think it was, prior to Higuain missing his goal.

Belgium was far more violent, that De Jong-like kick on Biglia...
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 10-07-2014, 20:07:19
Argentine played cowarly against Belgium last week :/ the most time stalling match ever.
The Belgians didn't exactly look wonderful either though, did they?  And I was backing them 100%.  I think we really only saw their full potential vs the Yanks. 
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 10-07-2014, 21:07:54
Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players,
OK, agreed. Not constantly. In fact, I was glad to see that Argentina only used the foul a few times (although the Sneijder kick was too much).
I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.
Really? Wonderful how you can see the same match and think almost 100% the opposite. Both teams were mostly defending, but especially in the second half and in the extra 30 minutes, the Netherlands went for a goal harder than Argentina. And so they were defending with 10 (not Messi), for 75 minutes.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 10-07-2014, 23:07:11
That guy tucking on the shirt of Robben and the referee just looking the other way really annoyed me.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 10-07-2014, 23:07:05
In my opinion you can't blame each other of playing anti football. It felt more like an agreement to play anti football from both teams. The one or other slightly more offensive phase for NL/ARG which maybe lasted 5 minutes for each team is not a factor.

It's the consequence of an ARG team that sets up defensively as the NL offense can be very capable and the NL team on the other hand going with a defensive setting as well, which - in my opinion - is nothing they are good at. NL was afraid that when they open up and play more offensively ARG is able to make easy counter attacks of course and the risk would have been surely there. Anyway, you can not hope for a penalty shootout in such a situation. I expected the Dutch to finally go over into a more offensive set, latest with the start of the extra-time. Having 2 penalty shootouts in a row is always a tricky situation, even more having the Krul-for-Cilissen-incident in mind.

So the attempts to really risk something and win it were non existing for both teams. I think van Gaal gambled that game away. The offensive capabilities were there, you just need to let them out of their cage and play your game rather than going with such a defensive setting and adapting to an enemy that was not all that dangerous the whole WC. Although ARG significantly improved with every game.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 11-07-2014, 00:07:33
Before the game, Van Gaal said to a journalist that he was out of tricks. After the game, he said that he had put all his hopes on Huntelaar to make the decisive goal in the extra time.

Of course, that last thing was not Van Gaal at his best. Also putting Vlaar in as first penaltykicker was not Van Gaal at his best. But what Van Gaal does well, is forging a team from a group of underdogs, and let them act above their usual abilities. In that aspect, Van Gaal succeeded 100%, because (next to) nobody in the Netherlands expected this team to get to the semifinals: most even thought that it wouldn't survive the group stage. For that, I respect Van Gaal.

Also, the failure of EC 2012 is washed away and the future of our team looks bright with all these youngsters playing in this WC like they never did anything different. Almost all players from the Eredivisie can count on attention from big clubs, and I'm sure a few of them will make a nice transfer this summer.

All we need is an upcoming talent in the attacking line, we have a few good wingers, but we need a central striker like Van Persie or Huntelaar, and I haven't seen him yet on the Dutch fields. Well, we'll see. After all, Van Persie started out like a winger too.

I hope they can commit themselves to a good game on Saturday. Giving it away to Brazil would be an embarassment.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 11-07-2014, 03:07:41
Louis said that two players refused to take the first shot so Concrete Ron mumbled he'd do it. Still man of the match on the Dutch side even if he missed.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 11-07-2014, 09:07:12
If the next coach reverts back to 4-4-3. We would have Depay on left, Huntelaar central, he is still young enough and on the right Lens ??
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 11-07-2014, 11:07:47
What Torenico means was during the late games, where the Dutch were gaining more possession, they started to hesitate. I saw a lot of ball being played into Kuyt and he hesitated on pressing forward and decided to pass the ball back into De Jong or Blind or Vlaar, which then switched into the other wing, Janmaat. It is annoying, because Kuyt at times can be so fast and outrun Zabaleta despite his fierce defending. The only guy playing good there is Robben and Janmaat. They are lively, and Robben demonstrated a lot of dribbling excellence, full of class and very composed. He no longer dive as often as before (now the habit belongs to Neymar Jr.).

Also, RVP is being marked to death and seemed clueless around the field. He should have been replaced earlier by Hunterlaar. Then there is De Jong, ugh... I don't know about why he still plays. He is harsh and effective as defender, but in a team setup like that, he is just too stiff. It was a wasted sub that Jordy Clasie must take over his place.

My brother said Van Gaal should have played the 3-4-3 he used against Costa Rica. I say, he should played Depay. We agreed that the decision to start with Nigel De Jong was a mistake.

Argentina on the other hand, do not budge after losing possession, they replied with dangerous counter attacks. They don't hesitate on risking their ball possession with Biglia, Mascherano not hesitating to press forward once they got the ball. Which usually ended up Higuain or Lavezzi hitting the Dutch defensive wall. But they are also playing defensively on their end though. You can't blame them, because it is such an important game. They just can't risk it, just like the Dutch.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 11-07-2014, 18:07:18
If the next coach reverts back to 4-4-3. We would have Depay on left, Huntelaar central, he is still young enough and on the right Lens ??
Yes, Huntelaar can still play for a few years, but I was thinking more about his successor. Do you know any Dutch central attackers which can be good enough to play in Oranje?

@ Zoo: nice analysis, mostly agreed.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: [F|H]Deek_101 on 11-07-2014, 18:07:42
If the next coach reverts back to 4-4-3. We would have Depay on left, Huntelaar central, he is still young enough and on the right Lens ??
Yes, Huntelaar can still play for a few years, but I was thinking more about his successor. Do you know any Dutch central attackers which can be good enough to play in Oranje?

@ Zoo: nice analysis, mostly agreed.

De jong of Newcastle(dunno if he is still there was on loan from Borussia Monchengladbach).
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 11-07-2014, 19:07:06
Mmm, De Jong did nice when he was still playing for FC Twente, but after that he failed both in Monchengladbach and in Newcastle.He should come back to the Dutch competition, grow a bit stronger and betetr and then try again. Then, maybe he can be the central striker for Oranje.

Could happen, he is still young enough.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Khaine on 11-07-2014, 19:07:26
If the next coach reverts back to 4-4-3. We would have Depay on left, Huntelaar central, he is still young enough and on the right Lens ??
I tought it was a mistake the first time, but it's the 2nd time you talk about this 443. You do know that there are only 11 players who can play, of whom only 10 are field players. Never hear of a 443 line up in this sport, 343 and 433 on the other hand could work.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: [F|H]Deek_101 on 12-07-2014, 12:07:39
Mmm, De Jong did nice when he was still playing for FC Twente, but after that he failed both in Monchengladbach and in Newcastle.He should come back to the Dutch competition, grow a bit stronger and betetr and then try again. Then, maybe he can be the central striker for Oranje.

Could happen, he is still young enough.

I dunno if going back to Holland will help him get better as a footballer, he needs refulare first team in a big league. Eredivisie isn't a huge league.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 12-07-2014, 22:07:24
I dunno if going back to Holland will help him get better as a footballer, he needs refulare first team in a big league. Eredivisie isn't a huge league.
I think he went too soon, many players leave Holland, but the wiser players wait until they can't learn anything here anymore. De Jong wasn't at that point yet.

I agree that the Eredivisie isn't a huge league, but half our national team consists of players whoa re active in that league, and we have seen that they got to the semifinals.

@ game: I think the Dutch are being too nice for the Brazilians. What a show of weakness once more by them, unbelievable.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 12-07-2014, 22:07:38
Yep, Brazil plays without passion, Oscar falling at every occasion, referee is a clown. Overall Brazil plays without structure and teamwork...sad.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-07-2014, 01:07:42
I really expected Brazil to win this one, being in their own country, with a huge demasque in the match before, they had enoguh to go for, and to show their own public that they are actually a good team. But none of that today. Despite a few attempts (there were two real chances for scoring in my opinion), Brazil failed on all fronts.

Our team played like they were having a fun evening, like it was easy to make this a victory. I'm really glad they won this, they deserved a medal for their performances so far. I also enjoyed the play of Jordy Clasie a lot. I'm a fan of him since a few years, and I had hoped for a slightly bigger role for him in this tournament. A lot of people in the Netherlands think he can't handle a high level game, that he doesn't show his skills against bigger opponents. I think it's safe to say that today he showed that at least that is nonsense. Clasie will be an important part of our national team in the future, mark my words on this.

Now on to the finals. Of course everyone is expecting Germany to win, but don't rule out Argentina. They even tear up their own asses in order to win a game, so that's how far they go ;)

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/javier-mascherano-says-he-tore-his-anus-during-semifinal-against-netherlands-154255457-soccer.html
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 13-07-2014, 02:07:30
I'm not expecting an easy game at all, but I think we are going to make it. My tip is 2:0 with a goal some time in the first half and a second one towards the end when we play a good counter attack.

What I'm almost certain of is: If Argentina wins, they win 1:0 or in penalty shootout. They will play with a very defensive set, the connection between midfield and Messi/Higuain is somewhat lacking. So they won't have many chances. I expect a similar game as vs NL, just that our team will be more dangerous offensively and put a bit higher pressure on Argentina in general, while it will still be hard to break through.

It's time. I have not experienced a won world championsship for Germany in my lifetime. I really want it to happen. We have an awesome generation of football players with many of them playing their last world cup. The team is on it's peak not only in skill, also in experience. I really admire them for their great team spirit and for realizing that is the last big opportunity with this generation. The final being lost 2002, the end in the semi-finals 2006 & 2010, always close but never there.

Time has come. We have to win tomorrow.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 13-07-2014, 09:07:02
2 more goals to break the most goals scored in a World Cup record. Previously, the record was broken in 1998 with 171 goals. Currently, WC2014 matches produced 170 goals.

So, "If Thiago Silva plays" eh? I don't understand about them losing dignity, but why don't they just try to play beautiful game and lose with some entertainment? They also committed a lot of diving, which is perplexing.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-07-2014, 10:07:10
Nice piece of text, Surfbird :) Let me paraphrase it a bit, as it fits quite nicely:
It's time. I have not experienced a won world championsship for the Netherlands in my lifetime. I really want it to happen. We have an awesome generation of football players with many of them playing their last world cup. The team is on it's peak not only in skill, also in experience. I really admire them for their great team spirit and for realizing that is the last big opportunity with this generation. The final being lost 2010, the end in the semi-finals 2014, always close but never there.

Time has come. We have to win in 2018.

Yesterday a reporter said that with ECs and WCs put together, the Netherlands were in the last four 10 times, compared to Italy 9, France 6 and England 2 times. Only Germany is better, but Germany already won a few titles, and we didn't. We only won one EC, so it's our turn now in the next WC :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 13-07-2014, 12:07:29
Ye, you know I'm not a fan of your team but you probably deserve it at some point and the next WC is likely to be the last chance for Robben, Sneijder, van Persie, N. de Jong at least. I expect Kuyt to be out next WC already.

On the other hand players like Depay look promising for the future. Also de Vrij, Indi, Janmaat and Blind are mid 20 or something. Maybe not top stars, but they might develop to better players in the future.

Doesn't mean I want you to win the world cup, but nobody can say you wouldn't deserve it.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 13-07-2014, 12:07:48
Exactly my point :) It'd be nice to see a win in a WC while I'm alive :) The defenders you name are all 22-24 years old, so enough time to develop into strong players until next WC. And then we still have Kongolo and Depay indeed, even younger.

Although you might say that Kuyt will be out, most people in NL thought he was over the hill already this year. He surprised everyone by being as fit as he was. One journalist commented after the match vs Mexico: "When the WC is in Qatar, Kuyt will be 46. I'd take him with me!" ;D
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 13-07-2014, 18:07:08
If the next coach reverts back to 4-4-3. We would have Depay on left, Huntelaar central, he is still young enough and on the right Lens ??
I tought it was a mistake the first time, but it's the 2nd time you talk about this 443. You do know that there are only 11 players who can play, of whom only 10 are field players. Never hear of a 443 line up in this sport, 343 and 433 on the other hand could work.
It is Dutch thing, we use it. Thought it was known elsewhere too. Google it
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 13-07-2014, 23:07:15
Mario Götze scored a brilliant goal. Breaking all the myths about Latin American  football.

Now Argentina have to taste its own medicine of time-dragging.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: NTH on 13-07-2014, 23:07:09
Congrats Germany.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: RommelBr on 13-07-2014, 23:07:05
   Well played Germany, you deserve it.  Congrats ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 13-07-2014, 23:07:57
Yeah "congratulations" Germany

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8d2lqo_0o

1990, 2014, always the same bullshit.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 13-07-2014, 23:07:32
Congratulations Germany. A beautiful goal, a very interesting play, and again, a record-breaking match.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Hjaldrgud on 13-07-2014, 23:07:18
Congratulations to Deutschland!

Good to see the best team of the cup win!
I will always cheer on you

-Xoxo me
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Tankbuster on 14-07-2014, 00:07:49
SchweinsTeiger (sp) took a nasty beating. The Argentine coach was cuddly tho.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Roughbeak on 14-07-2014, 00:07:27
Great match, couldn't ask for more! Götze's goal defeated them, although Argentina had a chance at the end minutes, but chances aren't enough.

Congrats Germany!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 14-07-2014, 00:07:12
Congrats Germany! Overall the best team, but I must say that Argentina played well this match. I said before that Germany would have a hard time. If Argentina would have won, it wouldn't even have been undeserved based on this match alone.

I'm sorry Torenico, but by posting that you show you are a sore loser (even though the vid got removed, I can assume what it's about reading the description). But I know how it feels when your team loses a final. Hang in there, it'll pass.

See you all next EC and in 2018 for the next WC!!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 14-07-2014, 00:07:44
Fucking dope.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 14-07-2014, 00:07:26
Thank you German football team for giving Argentina the beating they deserve.


Hopefully we'll finally get a NED-GER match in the EC in '16.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Schneider on 14-07-2014, 00:07:34
(http://i.imgur.com/J66d72pl.jpg)

Somebody give me fucking pen so I can change the 7 to a 1.

I fucking love you all. <3

And Fuchs, sorry you didn't make it to the finals. :( I would have really loved a Ger-Ned match, no matter the outcome.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: LHeureux on 14-07-2014, 00:07:18
Yeah "congratulations" Germany

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8d2lqo_0o

1990, 2014, always the same bullshit.

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Fútbol Para Todos

"Video is blocked in your country" lulz
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Ts4EVER on 14-07-2014, 00:07:29
Schneider? Haven't seen you in a while.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Schneider on 14-07-2014, 00:07:00
Yes! I have had sort of a FH comeback lately, been playing some games in the last two weeks. I haven't seen a lot of familiar names on the servers, sadly. :(
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 14-07-2014, 01:07:01
Hows the queue argentinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Still trying to win the third cup arent you?? Pelé got that by himself  ;)


Was born when my country was champion, and when i was 8 it was champion again in 2002 (with me following every match). Messi is 8 years older and he hasnt seen it kkkkkkkkkkkkk


Tell me how it is siete, siete cups without winning ROFL
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 14-07-2014, 01:07:20
YAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA WELTMEISTER!

YEEEEEEEEEHOOOOOOOO, BEST DAY THIS FUCKING YEAR, CANT GET THE SMILE OU OF MY FACE. VICTORY!!! 54, 74, 90, 14! ORDERING 4th star jersey tomorrow! BEST TEAM EVER. Sorry for this caps shit, I'm just so fkin happyyy!!!
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Fuchs on 14-07-2014, 02:07:08
Schneider! There's a face we should see more often here. And it's okay, buddy, 2016 is the year the ultimate match will be and must be played.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 14-07-2014, 03:07:00
1. Germany
2. Argentina
3. Holland
etc
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-07-2014, 06:07:19
The midfield is Argentina's under performing side. Messi is forever alone. Argentina has loads of top class attackers, and yet they still keep Tevez, Milito, etc from the squad. At the back, Mascherano, Zabaleta, and friends are very solid. There was a time when Argentina's midfield flourished with brilliant midfielders like Riquelme, Aimar, Veron, Sorin, Castroman, etc. Messi could have played with them and plays great like he should.

Germans in the others hand, are ruthless, consistent, and young. They will be there, at the podium (either 1, 2, or 3) for quite a long time. Their victory kinda restores faith in hard work, toil, persistence, and perseverance. From zero to Weltmeister. From nothing in Euro 2000, to champion in World Cup 2014.

Meanwhile, in England... well, they are great spectators, I enjoy listening to football commentary in perfect British accent.  ;D
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Wulfburk on 14-07-2014, 06:07:18
How was the WC for you guys? Football quality, supporters, atmosphere, tension, etc...

Even though Brazil lost 7-1 (never passed through my mind i would see the biggest defeat in Brazilian football in its 100 years of history) it is the best i have ever seen, but that might be just because i was only old enough to follow in 2002 and on.... Much better than South Africa and Germany IMHO, and you guys?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-07-2014, 08:07:14
This is the cleanest world cup I have ever seen.

Those players seemed to dive a lot less. They also showed more attacking phase than the extreme carefulness in South Africa. I have been watching football since World Cup 1998 in France. IMO, that WC event could be the best, but this one in Brazil might have surpassed it.

It is still sad to see great team of the past gone away without successor, like Gherge Hagi/Ilie/Mutu's Romania, Nedved/Poborsky/Koller/Smicer's Czech Republic, Andersson/Larsson/Dahlin's Sweden, Laudrup/Schmeichel/Sand's Denmark, Stanković/Mihajlović/Mijatović's Serbia, Boban/Tudor/Suker's Croatia. South America is watching its revival, team like Colombia, Chile, and Paraguay will always be strong.

But not missed: Ahn Jung-hwan/Lee Won-jae's South Korea, Ferdinand/Terry/Lampard/Gerrard's England.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 14-07-2014, 09:07:47
Well, we are Weltmeister. So this is pretty great. I'm starting to realize what happened. When that game ended I was just sitting there...

About the game:

Unbelievable fight by every player on the court. They ran lots of kilometers. Argentinian players treat Kramer and Schweinsteiger like some street dogs. Yellow-Red card for Aguero not given, also Mascherano can be happy to have been playing until the end.

This is the reward for a great tournament. Amazing team.

I enjoyed the world cup very much, personally I remember the great atmosphere in Germany of 2006 and the good performance of our team which was somewhat unexpected back then. Lot's of people from all over the world around being guest in your country is something great (At least when the economical & social situation allows it). Also I remember that that was an awesome sommer as we had a lot more sunshine than usual.

Overall a good world cup in Brazil though. Thanks a lot to all the Brazilians, the atmosphere (until the Germany game) seemed to be always great in your country. Referee performance was questionable once again, time FIFA decides after the most able refs and not after having a team being as international as possible. A top class event need top class refs. I don't think there was less diving, about average. The amount of complaints to the refs increased and for some players the slightest touch was reason to fall and being "injured" for a minute.

Gameplaywise there were quite a bunch of unspectecular games, but a lot of extra times and a fair amount of penalty shootouts. The action in the K.O phase was kind of limited this way, not too many goals being scored. Excitement level for many games was very nice this way though.

So, I dunno. I like the country of Brazil and I enjoyed the world cup very much. Thank you Brazil for the great world cup. For a German this will of course be unforgettable and always be something I will remember. I never liked Götze, but he made himself a hero with this shot. This whole team is just very special. I'm so happy for these guys.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 14-07-2014, 10:07:17
Argentinian players treat Kramer and Schweinsteiger like some street dogs. Yellow-Red card for Aguero not given, also Mascherano can be happy to have been playing until the end.
Now don't exaggerate ;) The clash with Kramer was more some sort of an accident. I mean, Neuer's clash with Higuain was more intended than the Kramer clash. Agreed with Schweinsteiger and the card for Aguero, though.

Gameplaywise there were quite a bunch of unspectecular games, but a lot of extra times and a fair amount of penalty shootouts. The action in the K.O phase was kind of limited this way, not too many goals being scored. Excitement level for many games was very nice this way though.
I believe this WC was the tournament with the most prolonged games (extra time and/or penalty shootouts): nine in total. Iirc the previous record was eight. Sadly the record of most goals wasn't broken. The presumed German walkover in the final didn't happen after all, so there was little chance for that record to fall.

About unspectacular games: I have seen more unspectacular games in 2010, so I guess there has been some improvement. I also noticed that last three WC finals all have been decided in extra time or with penalties, which means that teams are either more careful in a final, or more equal opponents than before (I mean, 1998 final was almost a walkover for France and 2002 final was not very difficult for Brazil). Calculating the amount of chances to score, though, I believe in the latter.

This is the cleanest world cup I have ever seen.
What do you mean by thias? You mean fouls, or diving? I think diving was done less than before by some teams (eg Spain), but more by others (Brazil mostly). Refereeing this WC was good at times (I hope the Gambia referee we had in the match vs Chile will be chosen again for big tournaments, as he was really cool and didn't fall for all the Chilean diving), but often very bad too. The Algerian Haimoudi who was whistling in the 3rd place match was a total joke. Like Surfbird I'm hoping for the best referees next time, and not for example the best referee from Polynesia, just because he is from Polynesia.

I had fun this World Cup and I'm hoping for a better result, and better gameplay for our team in the next one.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 14-07-2014, 11:07:54
This is the cleanest world cup I have ever seen.
What do you mean by thias? You mean fouls, or diving? I think diving was done less than before by some teams (eg Spain), but more by others (Brazil mostly). Refereeing this WC was good at times (I hope the Gambia referee we had in the match vs Chile will be chosen again for big tournaments, as he was really cool and didn't fall for all the Chilean diving), but often very bad too. The Algerian Haimoudi who was whistling in the 3rd place match was a total joke. Like Surfbird I'm hoping for the best referees next time, and not for example the best referee from Polynesia, just because he is from Polynesia.

Cleanest = no more Battle of Nuremberg (2006, Portugal vs. Netherlands), no more that South African final (2010 Spain vs. Netherlands). Let's not forget the blatant and obvious dive in 2002, I couldn't forget Rivaldo fell into the ground and clutching his face like that after receiving a very gentle hit from the ball. No more stuffs like that Beckham-Simeone drama and Zidane red card incident in 1998.

Yes, the opening game was marred by the cheeky Brazilians, but their dives is pretty obscure at best. Robben did admit diving against Mexico, but he did it a lot previously in South Africa, and no confession. The most reformed team should be the Dutch now. Overall, nobody started a fight (like Argentinians, when losing the penalty shoot-outs against Germany in 2006).

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About unspectacular games: I have seen more unspectacular games in 2010, so I guess there has been some improvement. I also noticed that last three WC finals all have been decided in extra time or with penalties, which means that teams are either more careful in a final, or more equal opponents than before (I mean, 1998 final was almost a walkover for France and 2002 final was not very difficult for Brazil). Calculating the amount of chances to score, though, I believe in the latter.

Football has becoming more serious business. Transfer fees are now within ridiculous range, they don't see it as a game anymore. It has become a corporate "risk management" to not lose in such a big game.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 14-07-2014, 19:07:50
The midfield is Argentina's under performing side. Messi is forever alone. Argentina has loads of top class attackers, and yet they still keep Tevez, Milito, etc from the squad.

Castroman



Tévez is an asshole, he always sucked on the National Team, he is having a great time in Juve but he was average on the national team. Diego Milito is too old, in fact he just returned to Racing from Inter during the World Cup, nobody noticed.

Castroman, you got to be kidding me.

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Dukat on 15-07-2014, 01:07:23
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/14/article-2691957-1FA4651700000578-63_634x457.jpg)

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'As you know, I'm no soccer fan,' she [Argentina President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner] said, while standing next to Messi and Argentina manager Alejandro Sabella. 'I didn't see a single match, not even the one yesterday (on Sunday).' Kirchner revealed she phoned Sabella after the match because it felt like the team had won, regardless of the result. 'That's how I felt and how 40 million Argentines felt too,' she added.

The zombie has spoken. Not wise in a country that has nothing to win except the soccer cup. Riot? Anyone?
Cosmetic surgery is a bitch, btw. ;D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2691957/Lionel-Messi-welcomed-home-World-Cup-final-heartache-Argentina-President-hugs-Golden-Boot-winner-Buenos-Aires.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2691957/Lionel-Messi-welcomed-home-World-Cup-final-heartache-Argentina-President-hugs-Golden-Boot-winner-Buenos-Aires.html)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 15-07-2014, 04:07:08
The midfield is Argentina's under performing side. Messi is forever alone. Argentina has loads of top class attackers, and yet they still keep Tevez, Milito, etc from the squad.

Castroman



Tévez is an asshole, he always sucked on the National Team, he is having a great time in Juve but he was average on the national team. Diego Milito is too old, in fact he just returned to Racing from Inter during the World Cup, nobody noticed.

Castroman, you got to be kidding me.
Just wondering, since you're an Argy bargy, what is your opinion of Messi?  I read an article in the Economist recently that says he is considered too Spanish by most Argentines.  I know he's not Maradona, but do you like him, personally?

On that note:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/messi-im-sorry-i-let-down-the-people-of-barcelona,36456/
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 15-07-2014, 05:07:46
Yeah Torenico, you said Tevez is bad in Argentina, what about Messi? The Barca's Messi and the Argentine Messi? Isn't it the same with Juve's Tevez?

It is like what I said: no decent attacking midfielders. Mascherano is great for defense, but not offense. Same goes for England. After Scholes is gone, the great England play is gone. Anyway, I take that back with Castroman. He is just average, if not below average.

About Kirchner: well, she is too busy nationalizing foreign companies and seeking other parties to blame. It is a very demanding job, no wonder she didn't watch a single game. But the official reason for absence in Rio was "sickness." Still, she is right though. Argentine did perform well and almost "won" the cup. Second place finish is not a joke.

Anyway, anyone has a "dream team" yet? Surely it must include James Rodriguez, Arjen Robben, Thomas Mueller, Javier Mascherano, Manuel Neuer. Then I would add Boateng, Hummels, Blind, Schweinsteiger/Depay, Joel Campbell, and thinking that Chilean Vargas is quite sharp too. What's yours?
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 15-07-2014, 11:07:22
Dreamteam of this WC, in a "classic Dutch" 4-3-3:

Goalkeeper: Neuer (Ger)
Defense: Hummels (Ger), Kompany (Bel), Vlaar (Ned), De Vrij (Ned)
Midfield: Mascherano (Arg), Kroos (Ger), James Rodriguez (Col)
Attack: Muller (Ger), Robben (Ned), Neymar (Bra)

Oh, and here is why the final should have been Ned-Ger (;)): http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/castrol-index/index.html
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Schneider on 15-07-2014, 16:07:41
I can't really disagree with Slayer's list.
And on a sidenote, sprung to my mind after reading about that ingenious political work by the argentinian president - about everything I read to be said by Maradona during this WC was complete trash, but I felt like he had a point when he said that Messi didn't really deserve to be nominated as MVP in this World Cup. I kinda have to agree, no idea how that came to pass - I guess by FIFA logic the MVP must be a team member of the two finalists.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 15-07-2014, 17:07:03
Ill do it with flank defenders as well and in 4-4-2

Goal: Neuer

Defense:
Lahm
Hummels
Vlaar
Zabaleta

Midfield:
Schweinsteiger/Mascherano (Schweini showed Mascherano how tough he is in the finals, so I personally go with him - but yeye, not international enough...)
Kroos
Neymar (I put him into midfield (left))
James Rodriguez

Striker:
Müller
Robben (although not perfectly working in this system but whatever)

Obviously no German bias. But we are the champions, so fuck it :P

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Half serious sidenote:

I noticed 8 of the German team could easily stand there with only replacing Özil with Robben, Höwedes with Zabaleta and putting Müller as striker so there is room for James on the flank. Certainly German biased and some questionable positions, but from a neutral perspective it wouldn't even be totally unreasonable.

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@ Schneider: I agree the decision for Messi is a joke. James, Mascherano, Kroos or Müller should have got it.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 15-07-2014, 17:07:38
LOL Surfbird, opting for a job at FIFA? ;)

Agreed with the MVP award, Robben should have gotten it. Again, the Castrol Index shows something completely different to what FIFA decides in the end. Only when it comes to goalkeepers they agree (I'm surprised the Dutch goalkeeper came in second in that index, btw).

Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Torenico on 15-07-2014, 18:07:50
The midfield is Argentina's under performing side. Messi is forever alone. Argentina has loads of top class attackers, and yet they still keep Tevez, Milito, etc from the squad.

Castroman



Tévez is an asshole, he always sucked on the National Team, he is having a great time in Juve but he was average on the national team. Diego Milito is too old, in fact he just returned to Racing from Inter during the World Cup, nobody noticed.

Castroman, you got to be kidding me.
Just wondering, since you're an Argy bargy, what is your opinion of Messi?  I read an article in the Economist recently that says he is considered too Spanish by most Argentines.  I know he's not Maradona, but do you like him, personally?

On that note:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/messi-im-sorry-i-let-down-the-people-of-barcelona,36456/

Personally I really like Messi, it's a shame he doesn't work very well in the National Team. We all know what is Messi, a winner, but winners today need a good team. People here need a scapegoat, someone to blame for all of our failures and Messi was the chosen one, because people believe he is like Maradona in 86-90 and Napoli, playing in a very different football and having a totally different personality. He gets called "Pecho Frio", which roughly translates to "Cold Chest", in other words, not having blood or being a coward, which is laughable considering all Messi's displays in Champions League finals, in clasicos against R. Madrid, in crucial matches for La Liga or winning the Club's World Cup while millions of eyes are on him, he is no coward.

He is not working in the National Team because he doesn't have a good "Socio", partner, there is Gago but Gago sucks and sometimes he is too far away from Messi to assist him, there was Pastore but Pastore wasn't even called, Riquelme a few years back would have been a perfect socio, but Riquelme is a bitch. Other forwards are alright, he kinda has a small society with Aguero, but this WC Aguero was kinda injured and didn't do well at all, coming in from the bench in a final to do nothing is hard to forgive. What Argentina needs is a guy who can supply Messi with the ball. In the last two matches, vs. Holland and vs. Germany, Messi was part of a team that didn't played for him, Sabella concentrated his efforts on a stronger defense (quite the logic thing to do), this way Messi had to start from the midfield, with two men already on him and having to command a counter, rival teams of course take great care of Messi. I don't think he is underperforming, he was well marked against Holland and against Germany he wasn't supplied with the ball very often, and repeating the same strategy he found once again starting from the midfield.

We don't know how to exploit Messi's amazing skills, while you see Holland exploit Robben, Brasil exploiting Neymar, France exploiting Benzema, everyone assists their best player who can make the difference, Argentina doesn't. He gets a lot of bullshit for that, for something that is not his fault, calling him that he plays for Barcelona more than he does for the National Team is nonsense, calling him "not a true Argentine" is also nonsense, when he was offered a shitload of money to play for Spain U-17 and he refused because he wanted to play for us.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 15-07-2014, 20:07:23
Well, at least Messi's team  > Cristiano Ronaldo's team.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Schneider on 16-07-2014, 00:07:56
Not quite sure about the MVP for Robben, Müller, Kroos. I would probably opt either for Rodriguez or Neymar. Rodriguez probably wasn't even considered as he got the boot already.
Neymar on the other hand - it was quite easy to see what a big difference he made for his team, especially after his injury. He practically created 90% of all chances Brazil had in front of goal.
However, his excessive diving ruined it a bit for me. He didn't even dive so often technically, he usually was really fouled, but the way he kept rolling around and playing the dying swan... well. No wonder at first none took it seriously, during the first seconds of his injury.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 16-07-2014, 00:07:02
@Slayer

As I said, half serious. I don't get rid of the feeling that people still underestimate this team though. This was no luck. You have to see that we have tons of more quality in the team than any other semi finalist, not to speak about all the other teams. This is the strongest German team ever if you ask me, and Reus wasn't even there. Probably one of the top national team lineups forever.

We are just the most complete team in the world cup by miles. I already said that in the preliminaries. Currently we are way ahead from any other competitor.

Robben doesn't deserve best player awards either. Not for letting his team get to 2 penalty shootouts in a row with one of it vs Costa Rica. After preliminaries his performance got weaker, like with the whole NL team, so I don't want to blame him, he usually tried but wasn't succesful.

That joke game for the third spot doesn't save him there. I don't measure Kroos performance by the 2 goals he scored vs that joke of a Brazil team either.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 16-07-2014, 00:07:25
I know, that's why the ;) was there. At least I don't underestimate the German tea, and I think you might be underestimating how everyone is not understimating the Germans right now, if you catch my drift ;) I even put four (4!) Germans in my dreamteam, that should mean something :)

I put Robben in because he made the difference for our team, a bit like Neymar did for Brazil (like Schneider posted), but Neymar didn't play until the end and Robben did. Following your logic none of the Germans should get it and none of the Argentinians either as they also needed extra time and/or penalties. CR just played with 10 in front of their goal, with quite a nice goalkeeper in it. They were 120% lucky not to concede a goal against us.

I don't measure players by theor goals only. Kroos had some great performances, in the Castrol index he is number one. That also means something.

As a part of the audience, a person focuses on certain parts of the game. Most of the time it is the assists and goals, sometimes on spectacular saves by goalkeepers. But everything else inbetween is motly overlooked by the majority. But how a player moves on the field (with and without the ball), how his passes are, what he does for the defense, is almost as important, if not even more imprtant, than scoring goals.

In retrospect I'm glad that "joke of a game" was there. Our guys went home with a somewhat better feeling than if they hadn't played it and all the world could see that Brazil really sucked this WC, not just because Thiago Silva was missing in that "other match". Most conceded goals in the tournament award went to them btw ;)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 16-07-2014, 01:07:44
Yea I know that from 2006 & 2010. It's like, "We were close but with that 3th place we achieved something and had a nice game. Next time we do better"- attitude. It's good and somewhat deletes the negative feelings of a lost semi finals.

I would vote Kroos because of his consistent play (except for the header to Higuain giving me a major heart attack haha), high pass %, great flanks from free kicks and corners, for running a lot and working hard and for having played every game over full time (I think).

He's just not a self promoter like other players are. That's why Bayern thought they could get him a cheap new contract, he demands a bit more money and now he packs his bags for Real Madrid where he perfectly fits in my opinion.

But on the other hand German teams performance was a real team effort, more than with most other teams. It's very hard to outline specific players there, because every position contributed with so much quality that the end result was simply great and not specific actions. The nice effect also is that with players dropping out, there are other players who can jump in and do a great job as well and we were never dependend on any other position than Phlipp Lahm playing the right defender as things didn't work out as intended with him in the defensive midfield.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 16-07-2014, 13:07:10
Yea I know that from 2006 & 2010. It's like, "We were close but with that 3th place we achieved something and had a nice game. Next time we do better"- attitude. It's good and somewhat deletes the negative feelings of a lost semi finals.
Therefore I hope our team can make the steps the German team made in the past few years.

The biggest drawback we have, is that our competition is not strong enough to house a team like Bayern. Because a team like that is the base for the national team, just like Barcelona has been the base for te successful Spanish team. It's a faraway dream to have teams like Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV competing for the top spots in the CL again, like back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It's a simple commercial/financial thing that prevents us to return on that level.

So I hope that we can achieve a nice WC without this factor, as I really believe the team we have now is capable of doing better next time, which means a place in the final at least, and hopefully the title. I don't need four or five stars on the jersey, just one or two would be cool enough already :)
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 18-07-2014, 14:07:23
Not really about the worldcup anymore. But German team captain Philipp Lahm just announced he retires from the national team today. That's surprising and leaves a gap at our right defense but also opens new opportunities of a new captain. He's a great player but I never felt he was a real team captain, so overall this is a big loos but it also gives some new opportunities.

I guess he feels like the mission is fulfilled by winning the world cup after all. Gotta respect that.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 18-07-2014, 16:07:59
Only 30 years old, really young to quit the national team, imo. A pity, I liked to see Lahm play.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 18-07-2014, 17:07:43
I think as Guardiola is schooling him to a defensive midfielder (which is a crime imo) and as he seems to view this as his new go to position at this point, there generally have been many discussions about his role. He is stepping down now rather than being pushed from one spot to another and being the center of the team captain discussion at some point in the future.. He makes room for a new captain to develop until the EC and gives other, younger players the chance to take his spot. There is probably some more internal stuff behind it that the regular fan does not have insight to as well. I don't know, the decision is definitely thought through and I don't get rid of the feeling that this might have a positive twist to it. Looking at Spain you see what happens when you are succesful and stick too much to the structures of the past, sticking to what you are used to but not evolving. This change might come at the right time.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Slayer on 18-07-2014, 21:07:45
That all sounds very nice and positive of course, and I understand that coming from you :) But 30 years is way too young to quit your international career, some might even say that it is ungrateful: now that he's got what he wants, he quits. Physically he should be able to do at least one more tournament, maybe even two. Take a look at Klose.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 19-07-2014, 01:07:05
Yea he's in shape. But I don't want to brag about someone that helped getting us to win the WC 2014. Yea, he is still somewhat young for an ordinary retirement. But you know, in teams like this you don't just stay captain because you have been captain for years. Before the WC 2010 Ballack injured himself, Lahm took the spot as captain. He wanted to keep it and the aging and injury prone Ballack who also was over the point of making top performances was out of it. At some point something similar might come up with Lahm. Maybe in 2, maybe 4 years in the future it would have happened. But as there are so many talents around and the discussion about him was dominating the media in the first half of the WC, I can understand the step.
For him personally it seems to be the best, it certainly does not seem to be the best for the national team, but I am certain that this move got us rid of a leadership discussion in the future. There is no better time to discuss this than after a WC victory with plenty of time to prepare for the future and the biggest succes in recent German football behind them.

What won us this WC was the amazing team spirit, which is based on a stable structure in the team. By Lahm retiring right now, I'm sure we can keep this stable structure up. Some people are not made for being a team captain for an eternity. If you ask me, Lahm is one of them. But as I said, this is te positive side of this that I see. I know he leaves a big gap and is a major loss for the team from the pure gameplay point of view. Despite lots of talents, high quality players on his position are very rare, even in Germany.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Zoologic on 02-08-2014, 06:08:22
Young Germans claim continental crown (German U-19 won the UEFA U-19 Euro Cup)

http://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/news/newsid=2414758/index.html?intcmp=fifacom_hp_module_news

Holy shit, they are unstoppable.

Looking at other countries, such as UK's England, they can designate Liverpool FC as the team development club, just like German's FC Bayern Munich and Spain's Barcelona FC. Where almost half of their starting national players come from.
Title: Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
Post by: Surfbird on 02-08-2014, 17:08:18
Young Germans claim continental crown (German U-19 won the UEFA U-19 Euro Cup)

http://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/news/newsid=2414758/index.html?intcmp=fifacom_hp_module_news

Holy shit, they are unstoppable.

Looking at other countries, such as UK's England, they can designate Liverpool FC as the team development club, just like German's FC Bayern Munich and Spain's Barcelona FC. Where almost half of their starting national players come from.

Yep, nice success for them. Also two of their player play for my local club I'm fan of and I hope they gonna explode within the next few years. Brandt who turned 18 a few months ago is already worth 5Mio with having played a few league games. Extremly talented guy.

Levin Ötztunali, Uwe Seelers (famous German football player from the last century) grandson, is hopefully gonna become a top player as well and I hope he gets some playtime this season too.

Some of these U19 guys are gonna lead us to succesful results in the upcoming WC 2018 already I'm sure.