Panther side armor

[Gunnie]

For clarification for everyone... Since I CODED and setup ALL the collision meshes for 80% of the tanks in the mod build.

Armor on the front is "X" thickness for all the parts that are facing toward the front. This means front of the hull if it is 50mm, the hull will be 50mm, the front of the tracks will be 50mm, etc.

If it is the side of the tank, the tracks, side, wheels or all parts that are on the side of the tank will be "x" thickness.  Same with the rear, top, etc.

There is no real "sweet spots" on the tanks or any piece of equipment. As the thickness is all the same for that part of the tank that is of similiar armor type.

Therefore, the idea that shooting the track in the front will get you a one shot kill instead of shooting the center of the hull is bogus, as the front of the track is the same as the front of the hull.

Just like shooting the side track will get you a kill instead of shooting the side of the tank. If is has skirts, sure, but if no skirts.. Then the track is the same as the side.

[Rustysteel]

Yup German armour is better, while allies have a lot more tanks. As it was, and should be.
Also, despite the panther having 50mm side armour, it doesn't mean a sherman shot will always shoot through it. We can't factor in angles in the BF2 engine for example. The panther taking two sherman shots to the side seems to work out from a balance perspective to, considering the amount of shermans the allies have.

If this is a case of realism taking a backseat to game limitations/balance then fair enough, so how about a compromise? keep the two hit kill on the sides but make it a one hit kill in the rear. If you are skilled enough to sneak your way through the opposing teams lines to get behind a panther (which isn't an easy task on a full 64 player server) It should be a one hit kill.

[[130.Pz]S.Tiemann]

Yup German armour is better, while allies have a lot more tanks. As it was, and should be.
Also, despite the panther having 50mm side armour, it doesn't mean a sherman shot will always shoot through it. We can't factor in angles in the BF2 engine for example. The panther taking two sherman shots to the side seems to work out from a balance perspective to, considering the amount of shermans the allies have.

If this is a case of realism taking a backseat to game limitations/balance then fair enough, so how about a compromise? keep the two hit kill on the sides but make it a one hit kill in the rear. If you are skilled enough to sneak your way through the opposing teams lines to get behind a panther (which isn't an easy task on a full 64 player server) It should be a one hit kill.

It is a one hit kill on the rear go try it out on sp!!!!!!!!!!!!

[General_Henry]

don't worked, as I have survived a shot before..

Yup German armour is better, while allies have a lot more tanks. As it was, and should be.
Also, despite the panther having 50mm side armour, it doesn't mean a sherman shot will always shoot through it. We can't factor in angles in the BF2 engine for example. The panther taking two sherman shots to the side seems to work out from a balance perspective to, considering the amount of shermans the allies have.

If this is a case of realism taking a backseat to game limitations/balance then fair enough, so how about a compromise? keep the two hit kill on the sides but make it a one hit kill in the rear. If you are skilled enough to sneak your way through the opposing teams lines to get behind a panther (which isn't an easy task on a full 64 player server) It should be a one hit kill.

It is a one hit kill on the rear go try it out on sp!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rustysteel]

It is a one hit kill on the rear go try it out on sp!!!!!!!!!!!!

I flanked two panthers in a row yesterday not 60 seconds apart and shot them both right in the ass with the Cromwell.  It still took two shots to kill them.    

I just had a go on totalize by myself with the sherman and it took me 2 shots at point blank range on side or rear to knock out a panther. Only place I managed a one hit kill was on the shot trap on the mantlet.

I already have tried it offline with a sherman & a cromwell they both take two shots to kill a panther in the rear. The cromwell will leave the panther burning but it is still  alive to get you on your reload if the guy is good. The sherman only leaves it smoking which is about 50 percent health. If you or anyone else has killed a panther in one shot to the rear online it is because it has already been damaged before you took your shot. Go try it out on sp!!!!!

[THeTA0123]

Imagine if they gave the cromwell a 76.2MM gun of the M18 Hellcat/76MM sherman

[Yustax]

The germans were smart to use side skirts armor in their tanks. Protected them from HEAT rounds from the PIAT and the Bazooka rounds.

[THeTA0123]

Yet Shürzen where not so easly removed, if their was damage or a track has flew off.

[Yustax]

Yet Shürzen where not so easly removed, if their was damage or a track has flew off.

Yeah, thats why a lot of germans tanks could not replace the skirts in the heat of combat. And you could see the constant damage of denied hits.

[Eat Uranium]

They got ripped of a lot by trees and hedges I think.  Plus they were designed to stop those pesky PTRDs shooting through the very thin side armour of earlier German panzers.  They just lucked out that they worked for HEAT to.

[Yustax]

They just lucked out that they worked for HEAT to.

It was not luck, its german engineering.

[VonMudra]

No...it was luck.  They started using them to stop russian PTRD and PTRS anti tank rifles from shooting off track parts and road wheels.  Then after useage on the western front, they realized that they also stopped HEAT rounds.  Complete, random luck.

[Neighbor Kid]

Yup German armour is better, while allies have a lot more tanks. As it was, and should be.
Also, despite the panther having 50mm side armour, it doesn't mean a sherman shot will always shoot through it. We can't factor in angles in the BF2 engine for example. The panther taking two sherman shots to the side seems to work out from a balance perspective to, considering the amount of shermans the allies have.

Is there really no way to do that?  cause honestly  even a spec of your side showing when the tank is practically directly infront of you, its a 1 shot killer. dam bf2 limitations...

[General_Henry]

yeah it's almost too easy to side hit an enemy tank even their front is <80 degree to your gun...

if you make it too easy to one shot a panther in the sides, the panther would be nerfed too much (and could be think of just a faster Panzer IVH with no skirts..)

[THeTA0123]

This is getting stupid guys. For the past days, i saw nothing but axis victories on many servers..Mainly because Panthers are so freaking strong

Today, i backstabbed a panther with the cromwell...I fired at the rear=IT SURVIVED.Its turret turned so fast, and 1 sec later=Dead


Panthers easly blew up when the sides where penetrated, or the rear. Especialy the Ausf A versions had this.

And yet we need 2 shots on the sides, and even the rear so it seems..

What is it with giving the Panther the ability to survive those shots?73MM armor penetration VS 45MM side armor and 40MM rear armor seems like a easy defeat?

I mean, a panther driving Backwards is almost EQUALY fast as a Greyhound moving forward