Lee Enfield Rifle, why do you lose 'aiming view' whilst reloading?

[Defibkiller]

This has been bugging me for a while, but when your in zoom/aim mode, take a shot, then reload, you have to go manually back into zoom mode, unlike the M1 Garand which stays in zoom mode...why is this?

Yes i know the Garand is a semi auto, but....the Lee Enfield had been speciffically designed with an offset, angled bolt to allow reloading without the user having to move his head from the targeting view, all British and Commonwealth troops would have been trained to do this, unlike the German KAR which had a 'straight on' bolt that meant the shooter had to move his head out the way in order to chamber another round..

If FH2 is about accuracy, shouldn't this inconsistency be rectified...


EDIT:

Download this and take a look to see what i mean..

http://www.mediafire.com/?f1e73pvw3a5gxvg

[evhgear]

I think it's mainly for balance reasons. Lee Endfield already have 10 rounds, while K98 only have 5. Lee Endfield can shoot a little faster than K98. So I think it would be a bit unbalenced even if I would also like to be able to not to loose the aiming view.

[Ts4EVER]

It's because the way it works in BF2 you would not be able to move fast after shooting since you would have to remain in aiming view during the reload. Makes stuff less smooth.

[VonMudra]

K98 does not have a straight on bolt, you are thinking of the Gew98.  That said, all bolt action rifles can be cocked without moving the gun away, just straight bolts like on the Carcano take a bit longer, the K98 is faster, the Enfield is even faster, and the K31 is fastest.

Either way, yes, it would be rather nice to be able to fire bolt action rifles without breaking ironsight view.  But the devs probably have reasons for why they made it that way.

[THeTA0123]

K98 does not have a straight on bolt, you are thinking of the Gew98.  That said, all bolt action rifles can be cocked without moving the gun away, just straight bolts like on the Carcano take a bit longer, the K98 is faster, the Enfield is even faster, and the K31 is fastest.

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I think it's mainly for balance reasons. Lee Endfield already have 10 rounds, while K98 only have 5. Lee Endfield can shoot a little faster than K98. So I think it would be a bit unbalenced even if I would also like to be able to not to loose the aiming view.

Are shermans balanced because of tiger/panther? Sounds silly doesnt it?
Lee enfield is supposed to beat Mausers just the way a tiger defeats a sherman.

L The only thing i can think of, is that loading a mauser with stripper clips goes a wee bit smoother. but thats my own personal experience

[Butcher]

Are shermans balanced because of tiger/panther? Sounds silly doesnt it?
Lee enfield is supposed to beat Mausers just the way a tiger defeats a sherman.

Oh come on we can roll the shit further. I want to fire my MG42 while standing, but to balance this with brens and bars, it´s not possible. Sounds also silly.

[THeTA0123]

Are shermans balanced because of tiger/panther? Sounds silly doesnt it?
Lee enfield is supposed to beat Mausers just the way a tiger defeats a sherman.

Oh come on we can roll the shit further. I want to fire my MG42 while standing, but to balance this with brens and bars, it´s not possible. Sounds also silly.

its possible, but useless. Firing Brens and BAR's is

Yes i know there are MG42 hip fire video's out there, but take a look how much these people have to prepare themselfs to fire it. Not to mention the Belt bangeling about and getting stuck everywhere, probaly scoping up tonnes of dirt

Plus the Bren and BAR where designed to be fired from the hip, even like an assault rifle. The MG42/34 where never designed this way

And the reason why it issent implented is because we would have rambo MG42 gunners whoring everything indoors..Just take a look at how RO2 did it,DP 28 and MG42 hipfire dominates anything inside buildings

[Slayer]

From the bolt of an Enfield to ramboing MG42s in 7 posts. Congratulations!  

[Flyboy1942]

Never change FHorums.

Both Theta and Butcher agree that balancing is silly, but still manage to argue with each other about about the merits of hip firing with an MG42. : \

[Zoologic]

I think all bolt action rifles in FH2 requires you to manually zoom back into ironsights after reloading.

It's because the way it works in BF2 you would not be able to move fast after shooting since you would have to remain in aiming view during the reload. Makes stuff less smooth.

He is probably talking about raining down shots after shots on groups of enemy soldiers. Usually people will fire their rifle quickly and then reloads then fires again, without wanting to lose precious milliseconds for "zooming back by right clicking"

[THeTA0123]

Never change FHorums.

Both Theta and Butcher agree that balancing is silly, but still manage to argue with each other about about the merits of hip firing with an MG42. : \

Butch is right but an hip firing would Completly destroy gameplay

RO2 is fun till a rambo DP28 gunner and MG34 OKKTOOBBEERFEST bloke comes in and owns
everything...


Some of you people need to understand i am switzerland/sweden, not Russia/UK 

REMEBER after 2.2 how imbalanced and OP allied tanks where in NA? I was the one pointing it out! From day 1!

[hitm4k3r]

REMEBER after 2.2 how imbalanced and OP allied tanks where in NA? I was the one pointing it out! From day 1!

And what's the point about this? Has anything changed concerning this problem? I think not. You still need two shots with the PIV F2 on a Crusader from the front, though you are penetrating this little thing. Crusader on the other hand blows away the PIV F2 with ease from the front. Just an example and now back on topic.

I actually have never noticed, that there is any difference between the bolt action rifles in terms of reloding animations or anything like this. I tried all weapons and they are all equal concerning their reloding behavior. So tbh, I don't get your point. You should play the game a bit more before pointing out problems, where no problems are. 

[Flyboy1942]

He's certainly played the game quite a bit. OP is asking for the bolt cycling behavior to not be equal. He is asking to change the Enfields so you can work the bolt while looking down the sites. These rifles have notably smooth bolts and could easily be worked from the shoulder. The discussion is whether the faster speed of cycling already represents this enough, if this should be done for any rifle that can be cycled from the shoulder, and whether it is worth the work and potential balance issues putting in game.

[VonMudra]

He's certainly played the game quite a bit. OP is asking for the bolt cycling behavior to not be equal. He is asking to change the Enfields so you can work the bolt while looking down the sites. These rifles have notably smooth bolts and could easily be worked from the shoulder. The discussion is whether the faster speed of cycling already represents this enough, if this should be done for any rifle that can be cycled from the shoulder, and whether it is worth the work and potential balance issues putting in game.

Problem is, all rifles ingame can be cycled from the shoulder.

And the reason it isn't given is indeed because, if done, one is unable to move or run until the entire animation finishes playing and the player clicks away.

[Flyboy1942]

Problem is, all rifles ingame can be cycled from the shoulder.

And the reason it isn't given is indeed because, if done, one is unable to move or run until the entire animation finishes playing and the player clicks away.

Oh dear god no. I like the idea of keeping the rifle sited and popping off shots like a boss, but if there's one thing that's not ok, it's messing with my flow man. I get into a groove when maneuvering and shooting with a rifle. It is a delicate and powerful goove that usually takes a couple rounds to achieve.

I wont support anything that throws off my groove.