Operation Goodwood 64

[Ts4EVER]

They were used, but I think not in the sector the map portrays.

[THeTA0123]

They were used, but I think not in the sector the map portrays.

it is possible, but i saw a photo of a MKIV driving next to a farm, wich was during operation goodwood

I might be right, but can be wrong

Allied battlefield reports are not as accurate as german one's. of a battle, you can know almost exactly what german tanks/units participated.

[hankypanky]

Who cares what sector the Churchill saw action in.
1. Churchills did participate in the operation.
2. FH2 is about FUN and historical accuracy.

So the Churchill on goodwood is both fun and historically accurate, I say give us some Churchills  

[Flippy Warbear]

Each time people cry for some new vehicle type into already heavy maps I want to go and butcher someone.

[THeTA0123]

Each time people cry for some new vehicle type into already heavy maps I want to go and butcher someone.

And once again, we recieve an answer like this

Seriously, are we crying? Are we whining?Next you are gonna flag this as spam.
The MKIV is already ingame. Why not use it more? Villers bocage had churchills. I noticed it.
 Guderian added one. Everyone is happy
Here we are trying to do the very same, once we have evidence.

[Flippy Warbear]

If this was FH and not FH2, I'd be happy to say that more the shit in maps the better. But since this isnt FH, but FH2, we have restrictions and limits what we can or cannot add to maps in order to keep them stable as possible. You just have to finally realise this.

[THeTA0123]

If this was FH and not FH2, I'd be happy to say that more the shit in maps the better. But since this isnt FH, but FH2, we have restrictions and limits what we can or cannot add to maps in order to keep them stable as possible. You just have to finally realise this.

I realise that. But their are ways.
The Sherman II can be replaced by Sherman V.Or even removed and replaced by a churchill in main.
The medic kit can be removed, maybe the Vickers aswel. They are hardly used or usefull (While the germans get G43 kits in their main).

But this is only if i or others can bring up evidence that their where churchills present on goodwood. And i am sure of this, because i saw information and photo's of them before. But i am rather certain aswel.

[Ts4EVER]

The british force at Cagny was the 2nd Irish Guards and they had Shermans + Fireflies.

[Slayer]

As it stands, the Tiger II is set to spawn if 5 minutes have passed with both Gabes and both initial flags are british.  If one is recapped, then the kitty should stop spawning until those conditions have been met again.

Gabes 

[luftwaffe.be]

Each time people cry for some new vehicle type into already heavy maps I want to go and butcher someone.

And once again, we recieve an answer like this

Seriously, are we crying? Are we whining?Next you are gonna flag this as spam.
The MKIV is already ingame. Why not use it more? Villers bocage had churchills. I noticed it.
 Guderian added one. Everyone is happy
Here we are trying to do the very same, once we have evidence.

We are getting more and more the impression that you are on a holy crusade to get a churchill in every map. It is fine that you mention it once or twice , but there is no need for it to KEEP posting about it.

In the end, it's not up to you or me or any regular of this forum to determine what vehicle will be placed on a map and what not. That's the responsibility of the mapper in question. And it is very likely that the mapper of these maps will visit this part of the forum to get an idea of regular feedback .

And for the case you don't understand the meaning of  crusade

This map misses a churchill MK III  

Needs Churchill MKIII

No it doesnt. Map is heavy as it is, it doesnt require such vehicle to add up to it.

Give allies less tanks in beginning, and when tiger spawns, churchill spawns

All round this map needs=
Another Pz ausf F2
Churchill MKIII

And not just because i love churchills, its because they where present during the assault on the mareth line

If the tiger gets added, the churchill should aswel their are perfect ways to balance things

you are right thetao  churchill was present ther but

Like Tiger was somehow too good. It usually can't get out from Gabes and yet you want heavy tank for allies to counter it...

this is also right

and the map already got stripped of many thing to increase the performance. adding another new vehicle might make it unplayable.

anyway not my decision, i am all for the more stuff on maps better but i got a PC who can handle that stuff  

Well if mareth doesnt have one, fine

But El alamein is DEFIANTLY a map wich needs a churchill tank. Simply, the King force V was a major action, well known to the british public. Far more important to add then the tiger on mareth for instance

but you forget the Pak guns, the 5 panzer fausts, compared to only 3 Piat's.

Churchills participated in the battle. How bout replacing an old sherman with one armed with a 6PDR  

Instead on the forward outpost, in the mainbase

Ya this map need a churchill really bad, it would help balance the KT in a good way

I think also the germans should recieve the KT faster. Atm the germans get it if almost all flags are captured.


They should script it to make the KT appear when Cagny is captured. But also when cagny is back into german hands, the KT should not spawn anymore.

The 31st Tank bridgade was equipped with churchills during goodwood



Their where other Churchill brigade"s aswel wich participated. Because the range of engagement was long range on goodwood, they where able to survive the onslaught of the 88MM guns deployed (78 of them!!)


When cagny is captured, one or 2 churchills should appear imo. Counterattacking Cagny is very difficult to do.

Ah yes regarding that 31th tank brigade, they where camoflaged so well, that one aware Allied spotter thought they where german tanks, and they sended in bombers to bomb them! No casualties, but they was alot of rage in the 31th tank brigade because i read, that later on in the war, they where bombed by friendly planes 3 times!

Ye goodwood should defiantly have churchill tanks. FH1 goodwood had one, and it was epic

Personally I would not mind if the KT would spawn right from the start   I'm always terribly bored as allied in the beginning...nothing to do, nothing to be scared of  

Hm now that is a bit to much, but the Kingtiger should spawn a bit faster.

But defiantly some churchill's aswel. We have the tanks now, so dont come with the "the mappers did not requested this vehicle" Excuse!!!

 

Could I see some references that clearly states that Churchill tanks were used in a significant role during operation Goodwood? I never heard about it.

Gladly  i will look upon it tonight because i remeber a site of a book where they mentioned one of the brigade's of churchill wich went into combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BLZGjwFzmU&NR=1


Churchills on Villers bocage plx!

Don't get me wrong it's ok to have certain suggestions on a map, but please don't overdo this. It makes you becoming a nagger 

Mappers know what vehicles are available.They most likely won't put in one if it wasn't present on the field, but it doesn't mean he'll put one it because it was present of the field.

Cheers, LUFTY  

[Ts4EVER]

Especially if the tank is very fast or slow as that can seriously mess up map flow if you're unlucky.

[Kelmola]

TheTA's obsession reminds me of my anti-Mustang pro-Thunderbolt tirades. Which were proven succesful (or it could have been a coincidence and the Jug was already in the pipeline, or the devs simply grew tired, or maybe those sacrifices to Yog-Sothoth really paid off).

[Dnarag1M]

I think whoever does not see that TheTao is being semi-serious and 'typcasting' himself into a certain role....well..eh..he/she deserves to not see it ! 

[THeTA0123]

I think whoever does not see that TheTao is being semi-serious and 'typcasting' himself into a certain role....well..eh..he/she deserves to not see it !  

I am serious, and my role is zo bring sie churchill into FH2 moar!If germans can get their tiger tank with 1400 units built, then sie allies can have their 6000+ churchills built!

@Luftwaffe.be
Frankly, you are right. I do indeed try to get the churchill tank onto maps they where present. From mareth line to el alamein, to Villers bocage from supercharge.

And they did. However. I cannot find the evidence of the Churchill on goodwood actively involved. I know i saw photo's and text of it. But if i dont re-find it, i dont wanna see the churchill on the map. Because if they implent it now, and i find out later that they never did particpated.... Then all the german biased players will attack me!*ducks

Some where just for the luls, like me suggesting the AVRE for port bessin.MY god so many people thinking i was serious on that one.

Don't get me wrong it's ok to have certain suggestions on a map, but please don't overdo this. It makes you becoming a nagger  

Imo a nagger is someone who keeps pushing it. But really pushing it. The MKIII is not made. Theirfor it shall not appear on Mareth, el ala and Supercharge. Even though it was an important vehicle, especialy on El alamein. And theirfor i rest my case

But Villers bocage is one of the maps wich missed vital allied vehicle's, like more cromwells/Less shermans, churchill tanks and Armoured car's. I pointed out all 3 of them, and 2 have been implented. Of wich i am a thankfull and gratefull man  

The thing is. Everyone is mentioning this and that about german forces and equipment(Nothing wrong with it)

But few are actually putting effort doing the same for the allies. And i consider myself one of the guys who wants to see everything historical accurate for the allies

But really, i am not pushing things. By far do i annoy people with it. Unlike other people over-react about things.
So many times did i saw people suggesting things for maps, and instanly do you get a reply from the ""veterans"" with STOP WHINING AND STFU. This is what happend to me aswel. A mere mentioning, even ingame, wich is even true! And people replieng with that.

and for my post count, ye, i always commit myself to a forum,and this is the result. But with bad english interpitations, people often misunderstand me. Probaly that sentence is wrong aswel

[Smiles]

The barn in the circle has a ladder wich you can enter from the north side (i dont believe there is any other way to get up there) and the ldder seems to be bugged, meaning i couldnt climb it. Everytime i tried i only got up 2 cm and would stay in that position. I was able to jump of and stuff . I was playing on HSLAN lag free with a ping round 43.