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Title: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 08-06-2009, 04:06:00
Hello and welcome back to another update of Forgotten Hope. Today we have more amazing things, as we are showing the renders of the new German player models. In our next release, we will have as many as 14 new German player models; one model for each class, both regular and camouflaged.

Read the rest of this update on our website (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?lang=english&id_news=288).



(Two hours late, sorry for that.)


Q: Are the camouflaged Germans the Waffen-SS?
A: Yes and no. The Waffen-SS is a criminal organisation in Germany and to portray them in a way that might seem like glorifying them (such as playing them in a video game without proper historical context) is not allowed. For this reason you will never see any mention of the SS in game and the collar tabs have two lines on them, instead of the infamous (and forbidden) sig runes. The models themselves are, of course, based on SS uniforms.


Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 08-06-2009, 04:06:45
Wow I forgive you.
Zero you are an artist.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ekalbs on 08-06-2009, 04:06:52
ahh second! wonder if camo will work?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: BC81 on 08-06-2009, 04:06:26
looking good :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flyboy1942 on 08-06-2009, 04:06:27
Hahaha I saw this coming with that "something amazing" comment and avatar from the 6th of June thread. :p

The new models look amazing alright. :D I especially like that Soldier with the STG44. Also the Panzershreck team. and the MG team.

Yeah you guys rock.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 08-06-2009, 04:06:16
*sniff* god I love this mod.
Oh, crap. My mascara is running...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: AdamPA1006 on 08-06-2009, 04:06:56
Awesome. Are the camo units SS units? Are SS markings in this game or not?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 08-06-2009, 04:06:59
Eh, its alright, I guess...OgodlightningIforgiveyouforthedelaypleaseforgeteverythingIsaidaboutyouThemodels areexcellenttheweaponsareexcellentitsallsoexcelent

Oh hey look, new avatar.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: A-tree on 08-06-2009, 04:06:41
Awesome. Are the camo units SS units? Are SS markings in this game or not?
From what i know about Fh there wont be any ss markings anywhere, but you never know, i could be wrong.

Also, update was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 04:06:05
They're SS alright.


Which brings me to my question....why are there no Heer troops with splinter or tan/water camo....  Or even any camoed helmets for them.  I see a couple helmet nets, but without foilage, that doesn't do anything o_O  Also, dot44 was rather uncommon in normandy, compared to oak and plane tree.  And I even gotta say...the Dot44 camo isn't even right.  It looks like someone turned fall Oak into a dot pattern....=/


All in all, its good work...but I'm sorry to say, someone didn't do their homework on the camo=/  Plain and simple....the camo patterns are horrible wrong, and several incredilby important ones are missing entirely.  If you're gonna give the SS just one single camo type, then at least get that camo type correct.  And even then, you're still missing the Heer's camo.


Also, is that a Gibirgsjager patch I see on the schreck loader?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: ChoPhil on 08-06-2009, 04:06:15
nice work
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 04:06:19
Here we go:

Heer Splinter smock:

(http://www.grigsbymilitaria.com/smock_heerSplinter.JPG)

Heer Tan/Water smock:

(http://www.grigsbymilitaria.com/smock_heerTW.JPG)

SS Plane Tree smock (one of the most common)

Spring:

(http://www.grigsbymilitaria.com/smock_type1PTspring.JPG)

Fall:

(http://www.grigsbymilitaria.com/smock_type2PTfall.JPG)

SS Oak Smock (the other most common)

Spring:

(http://www.atthefront.com/g_uni_ss_smock_type2_oak_main.jpg)

Fall:

(http://www.totls.com/OAK-A%20LIGHT%20FALL%20SIDE.jpg)

SS Dot44 camo Tunic (Note, this was ONLY used for trousers and tunics, as was the only camo type that was issued as a tunic.  All other camo types were occasionally seen as tunics, but only private purchase, it was not issued as such)

(http://militaria-net.co.uk/oscommerce/catalog/images/ss-dot_peas_pattern_tunic.jpg)


The player models just shown:

(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/090607Waffen2.jpg)

The only correct thing is the Italian camo trousers....=/

And as for helmet camo patterns:

http://www.alexanderandsonsrestorations.com/camo.htm

Those are just a few.  It was NOT an individual thing for the most part.  Whole regiments were handed gallons of paint, often 3 different colours (khaki, green, and brownish purplish colour), and each soldier was told to paint the helmet.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: RedSand on 08-06-2009, 04:06:42
Really good work guys... Now... Show us the Americans...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 08-06-2009, 04:06:24
Meh, i really dont care if the uniforms are accurate. They look just fine to me and i cant wait to see them in-game.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 04:06:23
Meh, i really dont care if the uniforms are accurate. They look just fine to me and i cant wait to see them in-game.

Its the principal of the damn thing.  They were correct in FH1, why can't they be correct in FH2?  The mod is about realism on equipment, no?  Then why should it be allowed for them to make up camo schemes, and completely leave absent camo from an entire service branch that used them with regularity?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 08-06-2009, 04:06:08
Meh, i really dont care if the uniforms are accurate. They look just fine to me and i cant wait to see them in-game.

Its the principal of the damn thing.  They were correct in FH1, why can't they be correct in FH2?  The mod is about realism on equipment, no?  Then why should it be allowed for them to make up camo schemes, and completely leave absent camo from an entire service branch that used them with regularity?
I see what you say, however its a minor detail that could be changed in a follow up patch so as not to delay release. Most people wont even know the diffenece. ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: A-tree on 08-06-2009, 05:06:53
I don't get it. No offence to you von mudra but haveing a less common camo pattern doesnt seem to much of an issue to me. I mean the British in the first release had the wrong rifle for the period, and still continue to have the wrong pouches and stuff, and nobody seemed, or seems to care that much. Although it would be nice to have foliage in helmets, and a bit more variation in British uniform.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 05:06:43
Well its something that's not too hard to fix....  If they have the model for the tunic done, they just need to do the texturization for correct Dot44 (if that's still what they want to use....)

Even then, the Heer still are lacking the camo smocks, and the helmets are lacking any of the camo that was religiously applied.


No, A-tree, the problem isn't a less used camo.  Its that that camo pattern never EXISTED.  There is no such thing as the camo pattern ingame there.  It looks like a bastard child of fall oak camo and dot 44.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 05:06:42
A spectacular update guys
btw nice research Von Mudra
From my limited knowledge on german uniforms, i'd say that the medic shown in the update is SS judging from the collar tab visible and left arm eagle insignia. VM, could you give me some confirmation of my deductions?  :) :-\
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 05:06:05
Yes, he is.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 08-06-2009, 05:06:30
Well its something that's not too hard to fix....  If they have the model for the tunic done, they just need to do the texturization for correct Dot44 (if that's still what they want to use....)

Even then, the Heer still are lacking the camo smocks, and the helmets are lacking any of the camo that was religiously applied.


No, A-tree, the problem isn't a less used camo.  Its that that camo pattern never EXISTED.  There is no such thing as the camo pattern ingame there.  It looks like a bastard child of fall oak camo and dot 44.
Im not saying it shouldnt be fixed, just that i would not want it to delay release by even one day.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 05:06:17
Yeah, but in that case, they should have gotten it right the first time.  Hell, I offered repeatedly to help in researching and guiding them on the uniforms.  I even wrote a LONG diatribe on the FF forums ON German uniforms in Normandy.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: flyboy_fx on 08-06-2009, 05:06:39
I LOVE U ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*





I PROMISE I WILL INSTALL FH2 AS SOON AS 2.2 IS RELEASED




GREAT CAMO



  
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 05:06:51
Yes, he is.
Hmm thats rather interesting because I remember hearing somewhere that because of them having a large German player base, the FH Dev team said that they couldn't/wouldn't use the SS in the mod. Perhaps i heard wrong, or something has changed.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: flyboy_fx on 08-06-2009, 05:06:29
ahh second! wonder if camo will work?




well DUH


you can crawl in to trees so if you are the same color sure i bet it will work.


also the green GIs uniforms. ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 05:06:33
Yes, he is.
Hmm thats rather interesting because I remember hearing somewhere that because of them having a large German player base, the FH Dev team said that they couldn't/wouldn't use the SS in the mod. Perhaps i heard wrong, or something has changed.

Yeah, so do I.  Perhaps they just have to omit the SS runes?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 08-06-2009, 05:06:22
Yes, he is.
Hmm thats rather interesting because I remember hearing somewhere that because of them having a large German player base, the FH Dev team said that they couldn't/wouldn't use the SS in the mod. Perhaps i heard wrong, or something has changed.
Hum the dev don't want nazi symbols, no swastiska, no runic SS stuff etc.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 05:06:27
Then explain the right collar on this man. Gentlemen *dramatic pause* I give you Exhibit A:
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8816/090607waffen1.jpg)
Dun Dun Duhhhhh!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: pheeph on 08-06-2009, 05:06:20
dang.... I was hoping for US models, but still these German models are great...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 08-06-2009, 05:06:32
Then explain the right collar on this gentleman. I give you Exhibit A:
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8816/090607waffen1.jpg)
Dun Dun Duhhhhh!
:o
maybe they don't want the illegal symbols in germany and SS wasn't one of them.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: azreal on 08-06-2009, 05:06:08
damn, didn't know these were that far along. Oh well. And liking the new avatar Lighting.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 05:06:43
Yeah, I noticed those runes just now as well.  Huh.


I'm talking on IRC with Kev about the camo and uniforms...says he'll put it up for review=/
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 05:06:53
:o
maybe they don't want the illegal symbols in germany and SS wasn't one of them.
According to the Strafgesetzbuch § 86a the Sig rune as used by the SS is one of the illegal symbols.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a

EDIT: Cheers VM maybe we'll get some clarification on how something such as this slipped past the dev team.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 08-06-2009, 05:06:53
So what is Lightning's new avatar supposed to be? I know that his last one was either:
a) Lightning fleeing from a lynch mob after a particularly brutal dreamcrush or
b) Lighting pouncing on someone's unsuspecting dream.

But what is this new avatar?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 08-06-2009, 05:06:08
  Umm despite all the talk and debate over SS and history I still just jizzed in my pants a bit.  Very nice work.  I really can't even come close to muddy in what is right or wrong with the whole setup but I know it will be made right at a latter point because FH shares my love for anal retentiveness.  Great work you guys.  Wish I had just an 1/8 of your talent.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 08-06-2009, 05:06:23
So what is Lightning's new avatar supposed to be? I know that his last one was either:
a) Lightning fleeing from a lynch mob after a particularly brutal dreamcrush or
b) Lighting pouncing on someone's unsuspecting dream.

But what is this new avatar?

http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?module=archives&selectedmonth=7&selectedyear=2006&lang=english
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: General_Henry on 08-06-2009, 05:06:09
nice update! the schreck loader looked cool but too bad we probably won't have it in game   :(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Knoffhoff on 08-06-2009, 05:06:36
Thanks for your offer to help us von mudra. But we don't need it and absolutely know what we are doing.
You realized that any other piece of camo would require a new soldier model, now please do your homework and find out about how much work it is to create one, or rather just learn to create them yourself.
And saying the camo we have is wrong is bullshit. The pattern is absoluely fine. It perfectly shows a dot camo on a heavily worn Drillich uniform wirh daded away colors.
The only thing one can argue about is if such a worn uniform should be done or not.
But that is propably the so called artistic freedom.

cheers
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 08-06-2009, 05:06:09
I agree with Mudra -- it's the principle of the thing.

Hell if he hadn't said something I probably wouldn't have noticed that the skins are historically incorrect. Now that I know, however, I think they should be changed. FH has always been about dead-on historical accuracy. They've been absolutely true to that point in FH2 thus far, so I have every confidence that if it's wrong, the FH team will change it!

That said, the models at least are fantastic and the presentation of the models is very dramatic! Now bring on the US player models and I'll start getting goosebumps about how close we are to release...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Knoffhoff on 08-06-2009, 06:06:21
Thanks for your offer to help us von mudra. But we don't need it and absolutely know what we are doing.
You realized that any other piece of camo would require a new soldier model, now please do your homework and find out about how much work it is to create one, or rather just learn to create them yourself.
And saying the camo we have is wrong is bullshit. The pattern is absoluely fine. It perfectly shows a dot camo on a heavily worn Drillich uniform wirh daded away colors.
The only thing one can argue about is if such a worn uniform should be done or not.
But that is propably the so called artistic freedom.

cheers
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 06:06:51
Sorry Knoffhoff, you're dead wrong.

Original Dot 44:

(http://www.warantiques.com/images/896_war_B_S_dot_44_a10if.jpg)

The camo that was modeled:

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7064/camo.jpg)


THAT is original Dot 44 camo.  That is combat faded.  It looks NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL like the camo that you have shown in the news update.  Notice that is it not all shades of reddish brown, and taht the dots are neat and orderly, not randomly spread.  I say once again, the camo that has been shown is completly fabricated.  I'm not saying this was done on purpose, but I am saying that someone didn't know what they were doing when they made that texture.

Now, you KNOW I KNOW how much work it takes.  Hell, I could never do this, I lack any artistic skill beyond stick figures.  However I see it as my job as a highly active, and well research member of this community to respectfully point out gross inaccuracy, which is what this is.  You have left out any Heer camo, you have left out camo helmets, foliage on helmets even, and you have created a camo pattern that looks simply like someone saw a few photos of Oak and dot camo, and made it off what he remembered, without bothering to find out what it actually looks like.


As a note, the HELMET covers done for the SS are dead on for fall and spring oak camo.  The one guy with the bent knee and the G43 has the spring Oak helmet cover, which is EXACTLY the camo that all these guys should have.  Hell, why do they even have fall oak camo?  Normandy was in the summer, with green foliage, you'd have to be an idiot to flip your helmet cover to the fall side....

One thing should be remembered here.  I have first hand experience with SS camo patterns.  I have not only seen, I have HELD original SS camo smocks of all the types used.  I know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [CHN]Harrier on 08-06-2009, 06:06:01
Jesus Fxxking Christ! What I can say is "Absolutely Amazing!"  :o

Can't wait for the yankees!

PS: LIGHTNING, thanks for posting news for us at 2:00. :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 06:06:13
...FH has always been about dead-on historical accuracy. They've been absolutely true to that point in FH2 thus far, so I have every confidence that if it's wrong, the FH team will change it!
Sorry to burst the bubble but...
The exception to this rule however is the L4 Grasshopper currently ingame in North Africa.
To the dev teams credit they acknowledge this and other historical inaccuracies:
I actually suggested doing a Westland Lysander, but since it was considered 'low priority' and we already had the piper from FH1, which was good enough quality for FH2, it was decided to put it in FH2, rather than making a whole new model.

It's unfortunate, but there are more examples of placeholders in FH2, mainly on the early Africa maps, like Siege of Tobruk (should not have a Panzer III J (e)) or Bardia and Siege of Giarabub (should not have ANY German equipment).

As far as I can think of at the moment though, we do not have any placeholders in Normandy.
Reference:
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=781.15

And now back to our regularly scheduled program of "2009: A Uniform Odyssey or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Von Mudra"
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 06:06:30
Yes, but that's normally on things that are obviously huge undertakings.  IN this case, they were already making the player models.  They just didn't make them accurately.  They ommitted INCREDIBLY important parts of the uniform (Heer camo smocks, SS camo smocks, helmet camo, helmet foiliage), and modeled a camo that still looks completely off (though Kev is telling me in IRC that it actually does look right on the template, and this might just be a shading problem or such...we'll see....)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cadyshack on 08-06-2009, 06:06:37
Quote
It looks like a bastard child of fall oak camo and dot 44.
Well, Zero might have wanted to mix a few different camo patterns to make one hybrid one since they would only be limited to one pattern without doing ungodly amounts of work that would go largely unnoticed.

Artistic freedom also applies to the artist for obvious reasons.

I'm sure corners have been cut in the past for FH2 (ex. British equipment) and for FH1 (ex. German flamethrower in American kits for Pacific). Also, nobody's perfect.

This is turning into another laffete spree, isn't it? Bah, I'm on the devs' side.

Also: wonder if anyone will steal Lightning's old avatar for kicks.  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 06:06:37
Why then wouldn't he just go with oak camo, the most common camo used by the SS in normandy, and everywhere else?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cadyshack on 08-06-2009, 06:06:55
Why then wouldn't he just go with oak camo, the most common camo used by the SS in normandy, and everywhere else?
Because others were used?

Gah, let's face it. Nobody's right and everyone's wrong. Can we agree on this?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 07:06:07
Others can come later.  Better to have one right one now, and add in the others, then make some ungodly conglomeration.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fearbefore. on 08-06-2009, 07:06:33
Alright, I'll bite. What the fuck is a 'lafette'?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Priestdk on 08-06-2009, 07:06:40
Aboslutly amazing work!!!
Its like a pice of Art.
And i love the weapons som off them are holding aswell ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Zrix on 08-06-2009, 07:06:45
Alright, I'll bite. What the fuck is a 'lafette'?
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/081015LafetteMG42.jpg)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Knoffhoff on 08-06-2009, 07:06:18
Since I'm on mobile internet I'm pretty much having a hassle to wite anything at all and can't back up what I say with pictures atm, neither I can see the pictures you posted. But let me explain how this specific camo pattern was created, to proof it is right. It has been made by me using a picture of the back of a original dot camo jacket. Since no Zeltbahn exists in that pattern, the jacket is where you find the biggest piece of uncut cloth. I copied that pattern and created one layer for every color used in the pattern. With those layers it is easy for the texture artist to adjust the colors to his needs. Since no material with a full patch of that camo is available the one we use is a little bit more repeative than the original and has some little elements that I had to made up to get the texture seamless. Besides that is the most accurate dot pattern I have seen in any game.
To come back to the color used on the playermodel I can say that I have seen more than enough pictures and real uniforms to say that a uniform with heavyly faded out colors pretty much looks like that.
I neither do like that it is so much worn, but the artist perfetly knows how a brand new piece looks ke and how used pieces look like. Everything else is up to him and his choice.
I can undrstand why you are nagging about the look, but I can't undrstand why you have to come up with stuff like no homework done and things beeing completely inaccurate and think that the way you try to "help" us is just disrespectful to anybody who spent any time to make those models happen.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 08-06-2009, 07:06:10
I have to say one thing: I really love the model with the Stg-44.
Wow, wow, wow and wow.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: GoldFox on 08-06-2009, 07:06:49
I think the models look really good! I don't know why these kids are fussing about the "accuracy" or whatever, I'd say just keep them how they are, redoing then will only cause the mod to be delayed even more.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 07:06:43
Since I'm on mobile internet I'm pretty much having a hassle to wite anything at all and can't back up what I say with pictures atm, neither I can see the pictures you posted. But let me explain how this specific camo pattern was created, to proof it is right. It has been made by me using a picture of the back of a original dot camo jacket. Since no Zeltbahn exists in that pattern, the jacket is where you find the biggest piece of uncut cloth. I copied that pattern and created one layer for every color used in the pattern. With those layers it is easy for the texture artist to adjust the colors to his needs. Since no material with a full patch of that camo is available the one we use is a little bit more repeative than the original and has some little elements that I had to made up to get the texture seamless. Besides that is the most accurate dot pattern I have seen in any game.
To come back to the color used on the playermodel I can say that I have seen more than enough pictures and real uniforms to say that a uniform with heavyly faded out colors pretty much looks like that.
I neither do like that it is so much worn, but the artist perfetly knows how a brand new piece looks ke and how used pieces look like. Everything else is up to him and his choice.
I can undrstand why you are nagging about the look, but I can't undrstand why you have to come up with stuff like no homework done and things beeing completely inaccurate and think that the way you try to "help" us is just disrespectful to anybody who spent any time to make those models happen.

To break it down.  I have been looking, and i zoomed in a lot.  And you know what, I finally see it.  Incredibly faint green.  Almost greyish white, isntead of green.  If it is inded as you say, layers, then I see the problem.  The artist simply bleached out the green to the point at which, from our view of it, it shows teh camo as being nothing but reddish brown.  Have the artist, Zero, darken the green colour to the likes of which I have posted.

I didn't say no homework was done.  I said improper homework was done.  I can google Dot 44 camo and find thousands of examples ranging from mint condition repros to originals.  And I cannot find any that match this mysterious one that you found.  Still, I do FINALLY see the dot pattern, but it def needs to have the green darkened a LOT more.


And this still doesn't answer the other questions, as to complete ommition of the Heer camo patterns, painted helmet camo, and foliage for the helmet nets/cages.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Zero on 08-06-2009, 07:06:38
thank you kindly for the nice comments some of you have given. they are greatly appreciated.

for those at a 10 who need to be at a 2:
there are no banned symbols
it's not an issue of a square peg in a round hole with heer(and other) camo. it's more of an empty hole atm(and heer running around in splinter tunics would not be not very "accurate." especially the ones in the big concrete things near lapping ocean waves).
textures get tweaked after they are in-game. this is common among game artists. from different people with different monitors with different calibrations to different light rendering between a 3d modeling package and a game engine and 2d application.
there is a misplaced(too high) trade badge on 1 model (out of 14 with multiple badges), but this is minor detail that was already brought to my attention before, but the workload doesn't warrant the change for 1 render. there are more important things to do atm and is best left to be done when/if other texture changes are done to streamline things.
it is a real camo, it does exist. even if some dislike it's current color state.
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8470/peadott.jpg)
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didn;t see the above posts while writing
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Twonkle on 08-06-2009, 07:06:38

it is a real camo, it does exist. even if some dislike it's current color state.
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8470/peadott.jpg)
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didn;t see the above posts while writing


I was just about to show the same thing, what are you guys? color blind? :P

I love the new models, looks awesome, and more variety than the desert models = awesome.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 07:06:47
Ok, in looking at that, it does look better, though I still say you need to darken the green more.  I have just not passed it around to some SS reenactors, and we all agree.  Darken the green, and its good.


As for the Heer, while true, there's plenty of maps without them in bunkers, and the camo is essential to their uniform.  As for helmet camo, guys in the bunkers also had helmet camo patterns, in white. brown, and grey geometric shapes.

Also, I must note, I am in no way saying that your work is horrible, Zero.  The oak camo covers, the gear, the models, and the wool uniforms are WONDERFULLY done.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 07:06:24

...there are no banned symbols...
...right collar on this man...
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8816/090607waffen1.jpg)
??? Ummm... how is those SS Sig Runes not banned symbols?
Again I give reference to Strafgesetzbuch § 86a
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 08-06-2009, 08:06:54

...there are no banned symbols...
...right collar on this man...
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8816/090607waffen1.jpg)
??? Ummm... how is those SS Sig Runes not banned symbols?
Again I give reference to Strafgesetzbuch § 86a

They are stripes, not runes.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 08:06:54
They are stripes, not runes.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I still say under magnification they definitely seem to have 'kinks' in them that make them look like SS runes.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 08-06-2009, 08:06:17
They are stripes, not runes.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I still say under magnification they definitely seem to have 'kinks' in them that make them look like SS runes.

I tried it myself. The colar is sloped, together with the camera angle and jpg compression it can give this impression. Shows how much perspective can affect things. On the texture, they are completely innocent stripes. If they were runes, it would be much more obvious.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 08:06:12
I tried it myself. The colar is sloped, together with the camera angle and jpg compression it can give this impression. Shows how much perspective can affect things. On the texture, they are completely innocent stripes. If they were runes, it would be much more obvious.
Well i'm mostly satisfied with that explanation (by mostly I mean as in ideally I'd like to see the texture up close without the variables you mentioned above).
As such, if there are no other entries/objections into this discussion, I'd like to call this hearing to a close.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: CBC on 08-06-2009, 08:06:00
1. Since I couldn't fall asleep, so I decided to use my iPhone to check out forgotten hope :P and guess what......

2. The new player models look absolutely stnnung. I especially love the hand gestures of some models LOL. (really hope a 2-men panzershreck team could be possible in-game, imagine what kind of fear would that bring to allied tank commanders ;D)

3. Just as a lot of people, my favourite model is the Waffen-SS(?) trooper with a stg-44. That looks really powerful!!!

4. As for the SS symbol, since we already saw it on one of the models, so I assume it's fine for the devs? Since fh2 is about history accuracy , I would like to see them. Because we need to show what waffen-ss really was, media sure did a "good" job on that. They weren't what the majority think!

5. Since I'm a noon with WWII camo and bf2 modding, I couldn't really comment on it. But I think create a new player model is a extrememly tough, and the current one looks prettynice. I agree with the idea of "release it first , enhance later".  
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 08-06-2009, 08:06:54
Sweet!  ;D Especially because they are standing like they're in combat  :D Keep it up!  :-*
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Zero on 08-06-2009, 08:06:20
I'd like to see the texture up close
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1294/collartab.jpg)

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: azn_chopsticks_boi on 08-06-2009, 08:06:23
Amazing stuff guys  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 08-06-2009, 09:06:23
Well that clinches it for me, so I guess there is only one more thing to do:

To Zero and Kev4000.
If the rep system was still in place for these forums i'd definitely being sending you both some positive rep as such there isn't so the least i can do is thank you very much for your patient and mature answering of my queries and I look forward to more of both of your guys work.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: NoCoolOnesLeft on 08-06-2009, 09:06:38
All this talk of camo is way past my basic comprehension of the subject so I'll say this.

Bloody good work Zero. Nicely done. The renders are absolutely stunning.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: The Crimson Major on 08-06-2009, 09:06:33
ahhhhhh FHgasm!!!!!111!!!one!!!!!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 08-06-2009, 09:06:10
I have to say that it is all very good work.  Not only do the player models look stunning, the other parts to the renders are also looking good.  You can see a panzerfaust in it's render, but there is no real scale to it until you see it held by a model of a man - and I have to say its larger than I realised.

About the whole camo argument, I do have to say that the camo is a bit autumny coloured; but then, I'd imagine that that would either be accurate or easy(ish) to fix.  Other than that, I'm not really bothered about what kind of camo the SS guys are wearing.  However, I wouldn't say no to Heer models with camo at some point down the post-Normandy development line.

To Zero: have one of my own brand patented internet cookies.

Looking forwad to seeing screenshots of these guys ingame.  Also because I want to know which will be standing in for the FJ.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: General_Henry on 08-06-2009, 09:06:11

poor Germans, still had to rely on that 3kg ladung   :-\
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 10:06:39
Models looking damn good!
I wonder, will medics get ability to "revive" wounded soldiers?
Or we still stay on "there're on wounded only dead" course?

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kradovech on 08-06-2009, 10:06:29
Or we still stay on "there're on wounded only dead" course?

I sure hope so...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Die Happy on 08-06-2009, 10:06:57

poor Germans, still had to rely on that 3kg ladung   :-\
they got fausts and schrecks too ;)

Models looking damn good!
I wonder, will medics get ability to "revive" wounded soldiers?
Or we still stay on "there're on wounded only dead" course?



there will NEVER be revive in FH2, medics are mostly useless in the game you either die from 1 hit or you dont and then take your bandage and die from the next hit.

a medic could only heal you and for this he would have to be at right place in the right time and you have to survive the initial hit.
as the medic kits that are ingame now (yes there are a few) only have pistols makes them not very worthy for combat.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 10:06:38
Models looking damn good!
I wonder, will medics get ability to "revive" wounded soldiers?
Or we still stay on "there're on wounded only dead" course?



there will NEVER be revive in FH2, medics are mostly useless in the game you either die from 1 hit or you dont and then take your bandage and die from the next hit.

a medic could only heal you and for this he would have to be at right place in the right time and you have to survive the initial hit.
as the medic kits that are ingame now (yes there are a few) only have pistols makes them not very worthy for combat.

Thanx for answer...that's alright!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-06-2009, 10:06:08
Excellent update. I even had the patience to read through all posts in this thread. It is a good day to be an Axis player (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7203/nazimarssi.gif).

And now, bring in teh Americans.  :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: FatJoe on 08-06-2009, 10:06:24
Fantastic work, love the new models the camo the look. Great work guys :)

Excellent update. I even had the patience to read through all posts in this thread.

HIJACK!

yeah me too ^^
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 10:06:26
Excellent update. I even had the patience to read through all posts in this thread. It is a good day to be an Axis player (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7203/nazimarssi.gif).

And now, bring in teh Americans.  :)
You haven't seen them in the game, yet?  ::)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Moku on 08-06-2009, 10:06:53
These new germies look great. :D

Awesome work Zero. :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-06-2009, 11:06:38
Excellent update. I even had the patience to read through all posts in this thread. It is a good day to be an Axis player (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7203/nazimarssi.gif).

And now, bring in teh Americans.  :)
You haven't seen them in the game, yet?  ::)

Sure I have. But I thought I wouldnt tease you about it, guess I have to. Thanks!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: RedSand on 08-06-2009, 11:06:17
Some one was saying we can expect a release this month, is this any indication of this?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tiny on 08-06-2009, 11:06:12
Amazing work Zero!

Concerning the camo patterns if they are correct or not, I'm sure all weren't that obsessed of wearing the excact correct uniforms...and after all they seem pretty much correct.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 08-06-2009, 11:06:35
Some one was saying we can expect a release this month, is this any indication of this?
No, the general feeling coming from those devs prepared to talk about it points to a release no earlier than about late august.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 11:06:48
Seems like german soldier (with KAR-98 on the shoulder) wear a WW1 helmet.
Which model of helmet is this?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Niam on 08-06-2009, 11:06:34
Wonderfull update!
IIRC the devs said, they release in 3-6 months.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 11:06:50
What makes u say that?  Its just a normal stahlhelm=/
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Toddel on 08-06-2009, 11:06:00
@ vonmudra till today i had a nice impression of you but seriously today you lost all. You start flaming about smething we really know about. Knoffhoff is such a Military nerd. i know allmost no person which owns so much ORIGINAL stuff from that time and you start flaming in a way that was so arrogant and unbelievable that i thought after reading your first post i must bite in my desk...... even when you think you are right would it be not a problem to contact any devs silent and tell them what you think instead of posting and BIG Pictures of camos.

TO tell you the on RULE! IN WW2 was allmost no rule for camos, in the last years of the War the germans used everything the had. you can see everything.

so next time thinkbefore posting. pff.

all other thank you for the kindly comments and respect of the great artistic Work Zero did.

few explainations.

-no revieving
-no Nazi symbols(any)
-no 2 person Panzerschreck
;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 11:06:43
What makes u say that?  Its just a normal stahlhelm=/
In this projection, it looks exactly like WW1 helmet.
There're nо "normal helmets" term, there is a model term. And I would like to know, which model is this?
M-???
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: fh_spitfire on 08-06-2009, 12:06:51
Once again I'm highly impressed :)

Great work all contributors!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Wasntmenl on 08-06-2009, 12:06:34
Awesome work guys. I really like the idea of different uniforms for different battles such as largely plain grey for the ost truppen and the more camouflaged uniforms for the normal divisions, Airborne and SS. Cant wait for the americans and british hopefully they will have differences two. Awesome work zeno really  ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: AdamPA1006 on 08-06-2009, 12:06:39
Nice update, its going to be great seeing so many different models fighting on the battlefield
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 08-06-2009, 12:06:21
Very nice update though this thread made me sad.

Mudra has a point, more variety with Heer troops, I don't see any Splittertarn at all.. Some of the devs also have a point and some of them have to swallow some pride and take on critics.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 08-06-2009, 12:06:50
Just great, simply outstanding! Awesome job with these models! Just outstanding!
(But unfortunately there´s no Splittertarn camo but maybe we´ll see it with the Fallschirmjäger-models ;) )
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 08-06-2009, 12:06:35
Quote
In our next release, we will have as many as 14 new German player models; one model for each class, both regular and camouflaged.

WTF hoooly jesus!
Awesome work guys, "as ever", but this times even more.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Meadow on 08-06-2009, 12:06:54
Awesome work guys. I really like the idea of different uniforms for different battles such as largely plain grey for the ost truppen and the more camouflaged uniforms for the normal divisions, Airborne and SS. Cant wait for the americans and british hopefully they will have differences two. Awesome work zeno really  ;)

British models have already been shown, look back through the archives to find them. Canadian ones exist too.

@Zero - wow. Simply wow. Not since the Rad's German models for the DAK have I been so impressed with a level of detail on a model. I am particularly impressed by the faces - they look like real soldiers' faces, haggard, worn and determined. The camo admittedly does look a bit yellow in the pictures but I'm sure that's just a 'lack of green' problem that won't show up in game.

Overall, a superb update - it was also a particularly nice showcase of all the new German equipment we'll get to use in 2.2!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 08-06-2009, 13:06:37
Are there SS-runes on the most-left soldier´s collar patch?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 08-06-2009, 13:06:35
Are there SS-runes on the most-left soldier´s collar patch?

No. Check page 6.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: bosco on 08-06-2009, 13:06:57
Awesome, I always hoped you would distinguish between different units  :D

(and smooth way of solving the rune-problem ;))
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 08-06-2009, 13:06:22

No. Check page 6.
Alright, so no Nazi smybols, but what exactly is on his collar patch? ;)
Some "pseudo Sig runes" or two simple lines?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Big Lebowski on 08-06-2009, 13:06:49
Awsome work Zero, even if the color of the camo seems a bit off.

And yes, VonMudra could probably have made his point with a little less in your face attitude... ;)  but I must say I also thought it was some kind of fall camo at first - From my viewpoint it definitely needs some green adjustments. Right now it looks like a dark brown/light brown mix.

But again the models themself are just masterpieces.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: bosco on 08-06-2009, 13:06:43

No. Check page 6.
Alright, so no Nazi smybols, but what exactly is on his collar patch? ;)
Some "pseudo Sig runes" or two simple lines?

Read the thread, dummkopf! :P

(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1294/collartab.jpg)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 08-06-2009, 13:06:03
Awesome  ;D weird camo pattern though, but that might be the lighting. Are there plans to give the Wehrmacht camo, too? I always thought theirs looked slightly cooler. Might be something to consider for a later release.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 08-06-2009, 13:06:59

No. Check page 6.
Alright, so no Nazi smybols, but what exactly is on his collar patch? ;)
Some "pseudo Sig runes" or two simple lines?

Oh shit, the Gesinnungspolizei woke up!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 08-06-2009, 13:06:29


Read the thread, dummkopf! :P

(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1294/collartab.jpg)
Long night, not much sleep, beer and an organised Abistreich make me a bit slow today, so no reason to call me Dummkopf :P
Two stripes, clever solution, indeed.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [CHN]Harrier on 08-06-2009, 13:06:21
C'mon VonMudra, why do you keep fixating on that? ::) Don't make them delay the release, plz~~~
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 08-06-2009, 13:06:18
:o
maybe they don't want the illegal symbols in germany and SS wasn't one of them.
According to the Strafgesetzbuch § 86a the Sig rune as used by the SS is one of the illegal symbols.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a

EDIT: Cheers VM maybe we'll get some clarification on how something such as this slipped past the dev team.

Pretty awesome to forbid several letters of an alphabet.  :P
I mean, the peace-symbol comes from that alphabet. But well.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 08-06-2009, 13:06:34
Liking the work here guys, keep it up!  ;D

The differing camos is a nice touch aswell, hopefully we get something similar to the American models  ;)

Im glad the dispute about the camos is solved, to me, they look stunning! thank you very much for your effort and time your have put into this mod  8)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 08-06-2009, 13:06:15
:o
maybe they don't want the illegal symbols in germany and SS wasn't one of them.
According to the Strafgesetzbuch § 86a the Sig rune as used by the SS is one of the illegal symbols.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a

EDIT: Cheers VM maybe we'll get some clarification on how something such as this slipped past the dev team.

Pretty awesome to forbid several letters of an alphabet.  :P
I mean, the peace-symbol comes from that alphabet. But well.

It's important, those Nazis are just waiting to crawl out of their bunkers once the symbols are legalized.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 08-06-2009, 13:06:37


It's important, those Nazis are just waiting to crawl out of their bunkers once the symbols are legalized.
But on the other hand they abuse "innocent" symbols for their cause e.g. the Reichskriegsflagge or invent new symbols....
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Waw_Slayer on 08-06-2009, 13:06:04
Will we see the US guys next time? But still great update, I like the guy running with the ladung:P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 08-06-2009, 13:06:30
Of course they do as the others were banned.
Then they will ban the Reichskriegsflagge at some time - just wait, it WILL happen - then they switch to the Schwarzweißrot-Flagge, then this will get banned. In the end, everything will be banned, ranging from the sweets company "Hitschler" to the usage of german language.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [CHN]Harrier on 08-06-2009, 13:06:37
I see a german medic in the render pics. So what will the medics do in 2.2? What special items or abilities do they have?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: fh_spitfire on 08-06-2009, 13:06:03
I see a german medic in the render pics. So what will the medics do in 2.2? What special items or abilities do they have?
I guess same as in 2.0 - 2.15
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 08-06-2009, 13:06:45
I see a german medic in the render pics. So what will the medics do in 2.2? What special items or abilities do they have?

No difference I think. It's just to show off as much variety as possible in the renders.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [CHN]Harrier on 08-06-2009, 13:06:11
Well... But is there medic class in current version? ::) I don't even think there is.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-06-2009, 13:06:36
There is.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 08-06-2009, 13:06:14
On Sfakia for example.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Priestdk on 08-06-2009, 13:06:30
There are medic pic up kits around on som maps but they dont contain mutch ecept a pistol and 4-8 bandages, thats more or less it and i dont think that will change mutch though i eventualy hope there cut be a medic class off som sort with only a rifle and the medic bandages i would love to play that class for suport reasons i wouldent even miss eny grenades off eny kind the curent medic is useless in the desert maps seeing that the pistol is only good in close combat.

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-06-2009, 14:06:19
No one paid any attention how there are no hoops on the k98's frontsights at all?  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: fh_spitfire on 08-06-2009, 14:06:34
No one paid any attention how there are no hoops on the k98's frontsights at all?  :P
You mean hoods? I'm pretty sure I can see them.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-06-2009, 14:06:43
Sexually harrass the details like everyone else on these forums does, Spit. Yes, I meant hoods, hoops, loops, rings, what-bloody-ever they are. :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 08-06-2009, 14:06:06
Well... But is there medic class in current version? ::) I don't even think there is.

You should rather ask: Who uses them?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 14:06:00
No one paid any attention how there are no hoops on the k98's frontsights at all?  :P

So what?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 08-06-2009, 14:06:09
No one paid any attention how there are no hoops on the k98's frontsights at all?  :P

So what?

So what what? God, what is on your ass?

Pointed out that no one made any remarks about the rifles when they do make remarks on the slightest other details, and knowing the people on these forums, its quite surprising there wasnt a mention about them, yet. Just something I noticed.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: elander on 08-06-2009, 14:06:36
Wow!!! Totaly awesome update!

Cool!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 08-06-2009, 15:06:32
So why are there no hoods on the K98s?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Aggroman on 08-06-2009, 15:06:59
WOW!

 new amazing powerful scary skins  :o
+ hooded K98
+ MG42
+ Panzerschreck
+ ubersoldaty looking SS-Soldier with Stg44
+ Panzerfaust

I love this mod.                                                             
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Sir Apple on 08-06-2009, 15:06:33
Well that was certainly something nice to wake up to  :).

Excellent work!  :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cpl. Mallard on 08-06-2009, 15:06:05
 Toddel,

   Im sure knofhof is a military nerd and knows a great deal of stuff, but if you've noticed VonMudra also knows a hell of a lot of stuff about WWII, especially on the Wehrmacht if i'm not mistaken. He's already admitted that after looking closely he saw hints of green in the pattern that would make it legit if it was darker. Yes, he did explode at first but if i had been looking forward to a mod release for so long and just learned the uniforms would be incorrect on a historical realism mod, I can't blame him. He's very appreciate for most everything else with the uniforms and all that's come prior, especially his lafette, i'm sure the only reason hes mad is that people tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about so they can cover up a minor mistake when he's an expert in that field. For example, im a mechanic and when my friends at school see me jump someone off in the parking lot and tell me i do it wrong, i went to do a peel-out on there face. Same kinda thing if i'm not mistaken. No offense to anyone, I just see where VonMudras coming from here.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 15:06:08
No one paid any attention how there are no hoops on the k98's frontsights at all?  :P

So what?

So what what? God, what is on your ass?

Pointed out that no one made any remarks about the rifles when they do make remarks on the slightest other details, and knowing the people on these forums, its quite surprising there wasnt a mention about them, yet. Just something I noticed.

My ass is ok, Flippy. I've noticed this. But the only thing came to my mind is - developers haven't got hooded KAR98. It's still WIP, so as whole 2.2
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 08-06-2009, 15:06:16
They do, they are in FH2 since 2.0. Just not on any maps as it was issued mid-war for the first time.

And why they are not in the render? I don't know and I don't care. It's a render and  it looks good, well done Remdul.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 15:06:30
They do, they are in FH2 since 2.0. Just not on any maps as it was issued mid-war for the first time.

I don't care...
With hood or without.
I'm still under the impression of German player model.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 08-06-2009, 15:06:08
These tight images of a German Anti-Armor Panzerschreck team are just for the render right? I mean you won't actually need two people to man it...? (would be awesome if it was though  ;D )
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 08-06-2009, 15:06:17
These tight images of a German Anti-Armor Panzerschreck team are just for the render right? I mean you won't actually need two people to man it...? (would be awesome if it was though  ;D )
Unfortunately, theres no two man shreck/bazooka teams (unless players choose to operate as such a unit, which to me would be brilliant, one man to fire its, another man to cover him, or even possibly to provide him with ammo?).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: kettcar on 08-06-2009, 15:06:54
Great Models  ;D

and a great Cammo. Can´t understand this boring Discussion.  >:(
....and i hope we see the USA soon, jeah
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Knitschi on 08-06-2009, 16:06:21
They're SS alright.


Which brings me to my question....why are there no Heer troops with splinter or tan/water camo....  Or even any camoed helmets for them.  I see a couple helmet nets, but without foilage, that doesn't do anything o_O  Also, dot44 was rather uncommon in normandy, compared to oak and plane tree.  And I even gotta say...the Dot44 camo isn't even right.  It looks like someone turned fall Oak into a dot pattern....=/


All in all, its good work...but I'm sorry to say, someone didn't do their homework on the camo=/  Plain and simple....the camo patterns are horrible wrong, and several incredilby important ones are missing entirely.  If you're gonna give the SS just one single camo type, then at least get that camo type correct.  And even then, you're still missing the Heer's camo.


Also, is that a Gibirgsjager patch I see on the schreck loader?

As soon as I saw the news I imagined Murdra protesting against the correctness of the uniforms  ;D

IMO they look great at least in terms of modeling and texturing  :)
But why does half of the soldiers not wear their helmets in combat???
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Knoffhoff on 08-06-2009, 17:06:22
Very nice, it seems like the discussion about the made up, incredibly wrong camo pattern is over and all of a sudden it is a good pattern that just needs to have some colors tweaked to suit our tastes.
The other accusation of the colors beeing wrong can easily be debilitate by taking a closer look at the worn uniform, von Mudra was kind enough to show us.
As we can see, on the right side of the jacket (except on the  pockets),the fabric is heavily faded. If we compare this fabric with the one on the renders and kindly disregard color nuances beeing slightly different it does look very close if not the same.
To close this case from my side I want to tell you that I'm always open for critizism but only if it is brought to me in a civil manner. What was happening here was way over the top and for me it sounded like big ignorance and disrespect of the work we did, making me think about why I'm even spending my time on modding for such people.

(http://www.warantiques.com/images/896_war_B_S_dot_44_a10if.jpg)

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 08-06-2009, 17:06:06
Toddel,

   Im sure knofhof is a military nerd and knows a great deal of stuff, but if you've noticed VonMudra also knows a hell of a lot of stuff about WWII, especially on the Wehrmacht if i'm not mistaken. He's already admitted that after looking closely he saw hints of green in the pattern that would make it legit if it was darker. Yes, he did explode at first but if i had been looking forward to a mod release for so long and just learned the uniforms would be incorrect on a historical realism mod, I can't blame him. He's very appreciate for most everything else with the uniforms and all that's come prior, especially his lafette, i'm sure the only reason hes mad is that people tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about so they can cover up a minor mistake when he's an expert in that field. For example, im a mechanic and when my friends at school see me jump someone off in the parking lot and tell me i do it wrong, i went to do a peel-out on there face. Same kinda thing if i'm not mistaken. No offense to anyone, I just see where VonMudras coming from here.


Yes.  Thank you.>__<
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [CHN]Harrier on 08-06-2009, 17:06:01
Easy, relax, knoffhoff, you know we all love our dev team. Everyday we live on this.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: von.small on 08-06-2009, 18:06:17
this thread is useless without more pictures of the K98 hood!


Brilliant work devs, I'm totally thinking of upgrading just for 2.2.  Not really interested in absolute accuracy, but having read all the posts I'll just cook this sausage on the passionate flames of this thread.

(an yee behold, I hath killed another thread)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Twonkle on 08-06-2009, 18:06:58
You have to hence that those pictures are rather new too... Meaning that the shirt is a bit threadbare(?). In my opinion the models are perfectly done, and you who says that you should change the colours... keep in mind that the photos that you've been looking at are from old shirts, not totaly brand new right out from the factory and just putten on a new soldier.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Big Lebowski on 08-06-2009, 18:06:21
Very nice, it seems like the discussion about the made up, incredibly wrong camo pattern is over and all of a sudden it is a good pattern that just needs to have some colors tweaked to suit our tastes.
The other accusation of the colors beeing wrong can easily be debilitate by taking a closer look at the worn uniform, von Mudra was kind enough to show us.
As we can see, on the right side of the jacket (except on the  pockets),the fabric is heavily faded. If we compare this fabric with the one on the renders and kindly disregard color nuances beeing slightly different it does look very close if not the same.
To close this case from my side I want to tell you that I'm always open for critizism but only if it is brought to me in a civil manner. What was happening here was way over the top and for me it sounded like big ignorance and disrespect of the work we did, making me think about why I'm even spending my time on modding for such people.
Seeing as it was only one person who came out a bit strong.. I would say you are overeating abit.

And I would still say colorwise (color nuances if you will) it needs some tweaking to look like the real thing.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Big Lebowski on 08-06-2009, 18:06:45
*double post
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: rattovolante on 08-06-2009, 18:06:02
I was away during the weekend and saw the update only today... wow!  ;D

and then saw this thread... aaand... wow!  ???

Just 3 misc notes:

- I'm neither German nor a law expert, but as far as I understand the bars (faux-sieg runes) could still be considered unlawful in Germany. Check §86a (2): http://bundesrecht.juris.de/stgb/__86a.html "Den in Satz 1 genannten Kennzeichen stehen solche gleich, die ihnen zum verwechseln ähnlich sind."
In that render the bars obviously are similar enough to be confused for real sieg-runes (just see how many posters on this thread took them for real ones), so they might still be unlawful.
Of course, the similarity is accidental and only "potential" - what I mean is that the bars in the .dds itself obviously can't be mistaken for sieg-runes, but when rendered in some conditions/environments (for example, in the render on the site) the rendering perspective/lighting/effects (and in this case jpeg compression artifacts) can cause them to be mistaken for sieg-runes.
So maybe the bars could still not be "neuter" enough, I don't know. Also I suspect the FH team probably had already considered this, but I wished to make sure (better sure than sorry, I suppose)

- Then... I laughed a little at the news post...
We are told that the two pics are "Heer player models", and we are explained what the Heer really was (good!)... and the pics are appropriately called 090607Heer1.jpg and 090607Heer2.jpg. Cool!
Then we are shown the "camouflaged player models", and we are explained when and how camouflage was introduced (good!). But the pics are named 090607Waffen1.jpg and 090607Waffen2.jpg  :P
Also, loved the different flag behind the Heer and the camouflaged player models

- least and last, I laughed a little more at the wrong-camo-thingy stuff here on the forums... FH2 used gebirgsjaeger uniforms for fallschirmjaegers for 1,5 years now and that Italian uniforms are rather "suspect" historical-wise, and no one really complained. But don't dare get uniforms for Normandy waff...er... camouflaged troops wrong!!! ;)

(BTW I think I wrote a post in the old boards about Italian uniforms but I can't find it now, two things I remember are: unless my monitor's color settings are way off the collar colors are unhistorical (were never used or even assigned/reserved) and at least some of the models mix clothes and badges from officer's uniforms and troopers' uniforms. If mods are interested I can check my references again for what is wrong)

PS: this is not meant to be an attack on vM! everyone has his own pet peeves with historical games - I have been known to be quite rabid with my own ones actually.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: bosco on 08-06-2009, 18:06:41
Theres nothing unlawfull about two stripes. Enough with the paranoia already.  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: djinn on 08-06-2009, 18:06:06
Love the Update... Would have prefered the US troops, but the variety in these models is mind boggling... Helmet threads, colour of uniform, footwear, folded sleaves versus straight....

 I must agree with Mudra though... I don't get the long argument about it or the harshness of the initial post considering the fact that the models are brand new, from the face down, BUT I agree, you can argue in a court of law about the colour being a newer version of the faded one, but I recall those in FH1, and those I've seen everywhere else, and those eint the same: These are for the most part brown, the correct ones are greenish - A fade won't make these greener, just paler brown... I think it's only a matter of skinning though, no need to change the model to get the shape right

Question:

1) Do the MG42 ingame actually hve the 250 belts and do they show like the ones in the model
2) Are we seeing 2 variants of face; heavier set for superiors it appears, and slimmer for lower ranks?
3) Could the leaves be for say, sniper kits and perhaps yet another model (Some bocage maps or something)?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lobo on 08-06-2009, 18:06:13
The bad thing of the moderator work is that I can't reply to individuals like VonMudra with the colourful language they deserve
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-06-2009, 18:06:19
Godverdoemme miljaarde nonedeju  :o :o :o :o



Those camos are dam epic.

Nice work!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 08-06-2009, 18:06:16
The bad thing of the moderator work is that I can't reply to individuals like VonMudra with the colourful language they deserve
I'll do that for you.

Seriously vM, all this complaining is just too much.
Disrespecting the devs work as well as indirectly calling them stupid and ignorant, after all these years don't you think they know what they are doing? if not the dev creating the model/texture then another dev or even a betatester would surely have said something.
Don't try to think you know better than everyone else.
As Toddel (I think it was) said, I too lost much of what respect I have for you.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 08-06-2009, 19:06:14
Sad thread becomes more sad! Level up!

Anyway, I hope to see painted helmets typical for Normandy and some Splittertarn on the soldiers.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 08-06-2009, 19:06:15
 Great looking update (I don't give a flying F$%k about the exact colours though.


 To everyone in general, Can you Fanboys give it a goddamn rest please??
 
 VM maybe screwed up a little bit but you drama queens are getting out of hand. A few pages back the threat of quitting the Mod team, is to me one of the most juvenile things to possibly do (fuck, if you are an artist you can handle critics, if not, then you sir are no artist). Let alone all the pages of constant "@ Vmudra, Bla-bla-bla you suck, the end"


 These new forums have some Aggressive mojo to them and I believe it is due in part to the relative demographics of the posting group on here (too teenaged and European). What I propose to resolve this would be that everyone who has posted a negative comment so far, apologize to Vm and then apologize to the community at large for wasting our eyesight on your text-based exemplification of verbal diarrhea.

 I think this applies to everyone who has succesfully derailed one of the most important News updates that the FH2 community has been fortunate to be blessed with in a long time. We as a community need to chill the fuck out and realize and focus upon, the good from this game.

 So please Lobo and Donutz or Toddel: Can you guys delete all the bullshit that has cluttered this thread so that any new people to these forums, or the mod are not given such a poor impression of what is a great game. (Personally, some of these shit disturbers don't even play FH2 anymore, so why does their opinion matter any longer?)

 thus ends my rant,

 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-06-2009, 19:06:53
What are u guys argueing about? These are things made by people who do this in their Free time. If you dont like it, do it yourself, and present it...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 08-06-2009, 19:06:09
For fucks sake Sheik, you post a rant, a good rant and then again I see you blaming the Europeans, what the hell?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 08-06-2009, 19:06:55
  Listen up Fuchs,

 I meant 'European' as in you fellows have to communicate with the English language when for the most part, it is a second or third language for many of you members of this forum. (A direct example of this is Fucher picking one word, yes, 1 singular word out of my post, and then using it as some accusative brand of shame)

 It is called a "language barrier" and on these forums it is to be found everywhere.


 Think and read before you dumbasses post, that especially includes you Fuchs...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ionizer on 08-06-2009, 19:06:41
Cool beans!  German Player models!

::Casually side-steps the shit-pile that is most of this thread::

The camo uniforms are kinda brown...  I thought the big draw of Normandy was that it was green?

The faces look kinda gritty and battle-hardened.  I like that.  Great job on the faces.

(I did read the whole thread, but those thoughts stuck in my head from the moment I saw the update.  After reading the thread, I see that the camo is supposedly supposed to be greener [or something].  That said, I like the new models.)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 08-06-2009, 19:06:06
Ok Sheik, it's the very language barrier your speaking about that just happened. The people here are too teenaged and European, read that line, it sounds like you think your continent is superior.

Now please go on and reach your goal with swearing, I don't need it.

Oh and congrats, you just parcipated in the sadness you rant about.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: GooGeL on 08-06-2009, 19:06:39
blablabla
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7580/mesmash.gif)

No.

I'd say, be glad with what you get from these folks who develop the mod. Obviously someone needs to take a chill pill and try again to sell his arguements why these/this model are wrong.

I believe that they are high quality stuff, like the rest of the material.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Sir Apple on 08-06-2009, 19:06:29
Regardless of nationality, we are all from different places in the world so if you expect everyone to get a long then go join a hippy group.

-----

Knoffhoff you should know by now that the public is harsh. At least I'd expect better from you, although I agree that there was a very distinct unappreciative attitude earlier on. As said earlier, the player models shown are top quality work, worthy of glorifying praise rather then dissatisfaction. Note I'm not denying that criting is bad, but doing it in a more polite manor would be best. So your reaction to such ignorance is of course expected...

Being a dev in the mod world I always appreciate when ALL mods put forth such efforts.... so I personally think some of you should be more polite, of course not every person is polite in this world (obviously). You do realize this is done in free time right? Put yourself in their place, and maybe you'll be more polite/mature about such things.

Honestly, I was amazed at the immaturity in this thread.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 08-06-2009, 19:06:58
First time I've seen a News Update thread that needs to be locked.

(http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/img/facepalm.jpeg)


Beautiful models, nicely setup images, great faces and details of texture. Could be slightly more green, assuming it doesn't look greener in-game. A much wanted update brought to us by the very skilled Zero with help of Knoffhoff.

The rest of you: take a chill pill.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Professor Anthrax on 08-06-2009, 20:06:51

::Casually side-steps the shit-pile that is most of this thread::

 ;D
 
Great German player models! Awesome work zero.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 08-06-2009, 20:06:26

::Casually side-steps the shit-pile that is most of this thread::

 ;D
 
Great German player models! Awesome work zero.
Their we have it! thats all we wanna hear
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: FatJoe on 08-06-2009, 20:06:45
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r196/JohnathanZX4/Screencaps%20et%20al/Brick.jpg)

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!


This thread has gone from awesome to argument and now to argument why other people are arguing.


I was going to write something epic here about how we should all get along, but I simply can't be bothered.
Just stop bickering.. Just enjoy the new update, and if you find something wrong, try PM-ing the devs or make a well presented post about it.

Honestly, I was amazed at the immaturity in this thread.

you're not alone on that.. :-\
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Thorondor123 on 08-06-2009, 20:06:00
Good lookin' player models.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Hockeywarrior on 08-06-2009, 20:06:19
To be honest I'm not quite sure how this thread got to this point.

Let's recap.

1) Von Mudra offered constructive criticism to the devs about how to possibly improve the Normandy skins for the German player models.

2) His advice was taken differently by different devs, but overall it was accepted and appreciated.

*NOTE* This should have been the end of it. Instead, we're here:

3) ZOMFG d00d Fh iz teh pwn and uu suuuuuuuck!!!11 fux u n00bz wtfBBQzroflmaostfu!!1

^ this is an exaggeration but you get my point.

So, now that the matter has been settled and that we all realize that no one wants to lock a media update thread, why don't we all just calm down, and if you don't have something to say about the media update, don't say anything at all!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: NTH on 08-06-2009, 20:06:17
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r196/JohnathanZX4/Screencaps%20et%20al/Brick.jpg)

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!


This thread has gone from awesome to argument and now to argument why other people are arguing.


I was going to write something epic here about how we should all get along, but I simply can't be bothered.
Just stop bickering.. Just enjoy the new update, and if you find something wrong, try PM-ing the devs or make a well presented post about it.


This had me laughing in front my screen  ;D Oh and a great update, love the weathered look in the models.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 08-06-2009, 20:06:05
Ok Sheik, it's the very language barrier your speaking about that just happened. The people here are too teenaged and European, read that line, it sounds like you think your continent is superior.

Now please go on and reach your goal with swearing, I don't need it.

Oh and congrats, you just parcipated in the sadness you rant about.

 I bloody well wrote the line, I should have some idea of the intent behind my words.

 To clarify my position, it has nothing to do with "my continent". It has everything to do with people who don't fully understand a language (this means you Fuchs, you little spammer). I am not trying to belittle your knowledge of the English language but I am challenging your level of comprehension which I find to be somewhat lacking.
 (personally Fuchs, I find you overpost on these forums (you have 1200 posts out of 17,000 total on this forum) and this over-exertion leads to you being somewhat summary in your opinion of the matters at hand.)
 
 On the side matter of my language, you say I have a potty mouth, well you should meet my sister someday, she curses a streak so blue that Lainer would fall in love (if he wasn't married already  ;D).


 All in all, what should have been an epic thread has turned into a dogpile of the handful of usual suspects which IMO is bloody pathetic and exemplary of the juvenile attitude of most FH2 fans of late. Although, I still blame it partly on the forum switch from Filefront as the mojo here on WD-40 is bad and way too aggressive-minded.

 Again great update and I hope we get a release soon because I desperately want to play with a crop of new fans who don't nitpick about my PG-13 language or obsess over the colour of a bloody smock. This is a game, for fun, and it should always be treated as such.

 The moment we all start getting too serious is when the game stops being fun for the rest.
 
 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 08-06-2009, 20:06:35
For god sake, people just had to push it, didnt they?

1. Vm, ok yeh, valid point, but mybe could have lightened up a bit and worded it a bit better.

2. sheikyerbouti, trying to organise/rant in this this thread while swearing and blaming people from different countries is so unbelievably stupid that I'm not going to explain to you why, its that blindingly obvious.

3. To the Devs, well as lightning said, this certainly was a special update!  ;D

Again, thank you for your dedication and commitment to the mod, and while people may or may not appreciate the time you put into this mod to make it what it is today (and hopefully what it will be in the future), I certainly will. I thank you. A toast, to the Devs!

anyway guys, as this is my final line I have but one thing to say: Lighten up!  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Big Lebowski on 08-06-2009, 20:06:13
Dont remember the forums being so entertaining, this is great :D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: azn_chopsticks_boi on 08-06-2009, 21:06:29
Just wanted to say, until someone can match their modeling and textureing skills, please don't complain since the devs have worked long and hard. and they are nice enough to show their work to the public.

Good job to the fh team, i am sure its people who act this way that cause the devs to say "fuck it" but thank you for putting up with this shit.

p.s didnt read the whole thread, just saw there was complains and was taken in a harsh way.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 08-06-2009, 21:06:11
Ok Sheik, it's the very language barrier your speaking about that just happened. The people here are too teenaged and European, read that line, it sounds like you think your continent is superior.

Now please go on and reach your goal with swearing, I don't need it.

Oh and congrats, you just parcipated in the sadness you rant about.

 I bloody well wrote the line, I should have some idea of the intent behind my words.

 To clarify my position, it has nothing to do with "my continent". It has everything to do with people who don't fully understand a language (this means you Fuchs, you little spammer). I am not trying to belittle your knowledge of the English language but I am challenging your level of comprehension which I find to be somewhat lacking.
 (personally Fuchs, I find you overpost on these forums (you have 1200 posts out of 17,000 total on this forum) and this over-exertion leads to you being somewhat summary in your opinion of the matters at hand.)
 
 On the side matter of my language, you say I have a potty mouth, well you should meet my sister someday, she curses a streak so blue that Lainer would fall in love (if he wasn't married already  ;D).


 All in all, what should have been an epic thread has turned into a dogpile of the handful of usual suspects which IMO is bloody pathetic and exemplary of the juvenile attitude of most FH2 fans of late. Although, I still blame it partly on the forum switch from Filefront as the mojo here on WD-40 is bad and way too aggressive-minded.

 Again great update and I hope we get a release soon because I desperately want to play with a crop of new fans who don't nitpick about my PG-13 language or obsess over the colour of a bloody smock. This is a game, for fun, and it should always be treated as such.

 The moment we all start getting too serious is when the game stops being fun for the rest.
 
 
Maybe others don't get the intent behind your lines, something for in the future.

So from misunderstandings where hopping to other ways to insult people? If it even is insulting, I don't get what you are trying there. It's your opinion, so what? In your opinion these forums suck and you keep posting here, just go away then, thats my opinion.

Congratulations with having anti social family members. Lainer is married.

You are one of them actually.

Download PR and play it if you want a servers with people who have no clue what game they are playing, they got plenty of new guys every day.

You are always too serious.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lobo on 08-06-2009, 21:06:33
Ok enough...

on topic, everybody

Note for future updates: constructive criticism is welcomed, "constructive" is the key word of this combo, and it has a lot to do with politeness, you can get your point across always if you try it with the right words and actitude.
Thanks

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: djinn on 08-06-2009, 21:06:00
To be honest I'm not quite sure how this thread got to this point.

Let's recap.

1) Von Mudra offered constructive criticism to the devs about how to possibly improve the Normandy skins for the German player models.

erm.... No, he made a valid comment and was ovely critical about the devs innability to get it right. And went on being more and more insistent that if the devs are gonna, they better get it right, with no comment whatso ever on what all agree to be a pains-taken process of creating a completely new model, bottom up. Answer to that> ERr, no they don't have to do diddly squat... They've decided to to for free, in their own time and they've done a terrific job of it so far, you can always comment ONCE, and not sound like a patronizing ass about it

2) His advice was taken differently by different devs, but overall it was accepted and appreciated.

*NOTE* This should have been the end of it. Instead, we're here:
I don't think anyone appreciated the tone, no. If they didn't address that then it was simply because they wanted to be mature about it, wincing only on the inside

3) ZOMFG d00d Fh iz teh pwn and uu suuuuuuuck!!!11 fux u n00bz wtfBBQzroflmaostfu!!1
^ this is an exaggeration but you get my point.

Gotta agree, don't attack the main, attack the argument... These were just immature of them

So, now that the matter has been settled and that we all realize that no one wants to lock a media update thread, why don't we all just calm down, and if you don't have something to say about the media update, don't say anything at all!

But the fact remain, models are terrific, face is more bellicose than former ones and I think these have variants which is tres cool
The variant in uniform pattern, helmet and footwear etc, didn't need to be, but is - VERY nice
The devs went through the trouble putting the models in very creative poses accounting for every German weapon on the theater... that just made it all the more...*MWUAH!*

...but if the camo could be slightly greened that will be nice (No obligations), better yet, we'd all (me inclusive) shut up about it...

I never got answers to my questions btw,

does the mg42 have a belt like that exactly?
AND are there 2 variants of faces?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ionizer on 08-06-2009, 21:06:20
Random observation: We have surpassed the "Most users logged in" record that was set on April 1.  I believe the old record was 91 users logged in at one time.  At 2:40PM Eastern Time, we hit 98 users logged in.  Looks like everyone wants to say something about the newest update...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: djinn on 08-06-2009, 21:06:53
Or something about something that was said about the newest update.... LOL - I think this update is a very welcome June 6th - Better, had no one spoilt the surprise though - AND they still said 'Next week' at the end...Whii!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 08-06-2009, 21:06:14
I think this update is a very welcome June 6th - Better, had no one spoilt the surprise though - AND they still said 'Next week' at the end...Whii!
It was very obvious that playermodels were coming over this weekend, the suprise however was wether they would be DE or US.  And I hope 'next week' means this wednesday ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: GirlsHateMe on 08-06-2009, 22:06:37
Epic update!!! I'm so impressed with the German Player Models I feel quite speechless.

I'm hoping for Fallschirmjager models next.

Good work FH Team  :)

 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hslan.GN_Angrybeaver on 08-06-2009, 22:06:25
the medic even looks pissed,cause he knows that his kit sucks  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 08-06-2009, 22:06:57
We will get Fallschirmjäger as well? O_O

OH LAWD!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: sheikyerbouti on 08-06-2009, 22:06:55

Maybe others don't get the intent behind your lines, something for in the future.

So from misunderstandings where hopping to other ways to insult people? If it even is insulting, I don't get what you are trying there. It's your opinion, so what? In your opinion these forums suck and you keep posting here, just go away then, thats my opinion.

Congratulations with having anti social family members. Lainer is married.

You are one of them actually.

Download PR and play it if you want a servers with people who have no clue what game they are playing, they got plenty of new guys every day.

You are always too serious.

[/quote]

 For fuck's sake Fuchs, I am not always too serious. Stop taking everything I say so seriously and pay attention to what I wrote. Btw, you completely misunderstood my point about these new forums and I will re-iterate my point for one last time:
 "these new forums have an enduring spirit of animosity that bedevils our free-spirited and good-willed conversation to the detriment of creating a new and enduring fan base".

This doesn't mean anything else so don't tell me where to go you overly-verbose, little turd. I have every right to be a fan of FH2 and it is not your place to boss me around and, or, tell me what games to play.

@ G. Drew
 I am not blaming a specific group so much as I am finding fault in their level of comprehension and understanding of the nuance of a particular language. I find from firsthand experience that our European compatriots are very complicit in perpetuating these misunderstandings. (most notably our resident forum Spam-whore Mr. Fuchs) He picks one word from my whole bloody post and tries to debase me with such paltry ammunition.

 If everyone would like I could edit my post and remove Fuch's opposition to my argument but I feel very strongly that I should be held to account for my own words, be they well-chosen or ill-spoken (depending of course on your outlook).


 Get to me know me before you pass of any more bullshit accusations man, I am an avid fan of Forgotten Hope and have been since the beginning. As one of the last remaining dedicated North American fans (we cannot fill a server in North American timezones at any time of day), I experience very intimately the waning popularity of this mod and only have the best of intentions for the fanbase. I do however, take exception with individuals misinterpreting my words to effect an argument against me that I choose not to participate in and never intended to start in the first place.

 So again and for evermore, "I have great respect for the efforts of the Development team, however large or small that their contribution may be."

 
 I have no respect however, for individuals who seek to imterpret more from my words than was ever intended (that means you, Fuch)



  

 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 08-06-2009, 22:06:45
Interesting, how much time did takes to build those beautiful models?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lobo on 08-06-2009, 22:06:33
Two posts about our today little drama have been erased.
I've said on topic, thanks
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kebert Xela on 08-06-2009, 22:06:42
wow, those models look great!
the work you guys do is really impressive, cant wait to see them ingame ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 08-06-2009, 22:06:45
Two posts about our today little drama have been erased.
I've said on topic, thanks
Fair enough Lobo, fair enough. This shall continue no longer.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 09-06-2009, 00:06:41
Two posts about our today little drama have been erased.
I've said on topic, thanks

You SOB!  You mean there was even worse shit in this thread then what I just read through?  At least give me a heads up via PM before you delete these things.  I have never laughed so hard reading a news update before.   ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 09-06-2009, 00:06:19
the medic even looks pissed,cause he knows that his kit sucks  ;D

Even with all the flame crap in this thread this had me laughing the hardest.  I mean he has to stand in the same pic with Mr.STG and Mr.Faust holding his gay ass little P38.  I would be pissed as well!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Wilhelm on 09-06-2009, 00:06:07
the medic even looks pissed,cause he knows that his kit sucks  ;D

Even with all the flame crap in this thread this had me laughing the hardest.  I mean he has to stand in the same pic with Mr.STG and Mr.Faust holding his gay ass little P38.  I would be pissed as well!

Yea, that was a good one! It had me laughing. ;D

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: flyboy_fx on 09-06-2009, 04:06:45
Hello and welcome back to another update of Forgotten Hope. Today we have more amazing things, as we are showing the renders of the new German player models. In our next release, we will have as many as 14 new German player models; one model for each class, both regular and camouflaged.

Read the rest of this update on our website (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/main.php?lang=english&id_news=288).



(Two hours late, sorry for that.)





Q: Are the camouflaged Germans the Waffen-SS?
A: Yes and no. The Waffen-SS is a criminal organisation in Germany and to portray them in a way that might seem like glorifying them (such as playing them in a video game without proper historical context) is not allowed. For this reason you will never see any mention of the SS in game and the collar tabs have two lines on them, instead of the infamous (and forbidden) sig runes. The models themselves are, of course, based on SS uniforms.






welll at least the two lines so it will look close ;) 



CANT WAIT TWO  PLAY  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 09-06-2009, 09:06:40
So I guess I'm not allowed a rebuttal?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: RedSand on 09-06-2009, 09:06:20
Dont take this as an official inquiry, but are you guys taking on any more mappers?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: DLFReporter on 09-06-2009, 10:06:59
Dont take this as an official inquiry, but are you guys taking on any more mappers?

Just PM the devs with a portfolio or an example of your map and they will have a look at it.
FH2 can never have enough mappers. Most new mappers make additional maps for the NA/Mediterranean theater to prove themselves.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-06-2009, 17:06:24
BTw, in the news update the Panzer Lehr division is listed as an example of a Wehrmacht division. Didn't they use a different uniform?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 09-06-2009, 18:06:02
Not really different. Just better equipment and more Splittertarn camo smocks/trousers and helmet covers then regular divisions. The Ostbatallions barely got Splittertarn smocks except for their ponchos/tents. But no SS camouflage or anything, just Heer. And ofcourse that swamp coloured stuff with red/terra colours instead of Splittertarn.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: LtJimmy on 09-06-2009, 18:06:02
I thought i'd take this opportunity to apologize for any hurt feelings or ungratefulness felt by any member of these forums or the FH dev team because of my posts earlier in this thread. For what it's worth i was genuinely concerned/confused by the apparent sig runes on the German player model.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 09-06-2009, 18:06:05
Not really different. Just better equipment and more Splittertarn camo smocks/trousers and helmet covers then regular divisions. The Ostbatallions barely got Splittertarn smocks except for their ponchos/tents. But no SS camouflage or anything, just Heer. And ofcourse that swamp coloured stuff with red/terra colours instead of Splittertarn.

Are you sure? I think I've read somewhere that they had their own uniform that was based on the ones used by tank drivers or something.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 09-06-2009, 18:06:05
A book I´ve got says the Lehr Divison used the field grey Panzer-crew-style jacket for it´s grenadiers, so what TS said might be correct.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 09-06-2009, 18:06:28
Possible but it's quite obvious they used alot of Splittertarn in combo with it.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: beemer32 on 09-06-2009, 22:06:24
A piece of art, you guys did a good job, realy like the camo.

1 question.... will the StGw 44  be available within the Normandy campagn,
cos, my gues it wasnt on hand at the time  :-\?

anyway great update
cheers
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Thorondor123 on 09-06-2009, 22:06:17
AFAIK small numbers of StG44's were used during the Normandy campaing.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 10-06-2009, 00:06:55
A book I´ve got says the Lehr Divison used the field grey Panzer-crew-style jacket for it´s grenadiers, so what TS said might be correct.

They commonly wore the grey assualt gun wrap, which was just the black panzer wrap, only grey.  Instead of skulls, they wore normal collar litzen.  Also, they had a chain stiched L on their shoulder boards.  Camo wise, came splinter and tan/water camo smocks as the Heer.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: SJonni on 10-06-2009, 02:06:30
Looking great :D Now bring on ze americans!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 10-06-2009, 03:06:12
A piece of art, you guys did a good job, realy like the camo.

1 question.... will the StGw 44  be available within the Normandy campagn,
cos, my gues it wasnt on hand at the time  :-\?

anyway great update
cheers


They were. On some maps you'll find it as a pickup kit. The more advanced units, the higher chance of finding the StG44. So probably not on any beach maps. With that said, its my favorite ingame weapon :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Priestdk on 10-06-2009, 07:06:35
Question pls:-) iff posible

I seem to recall that i read somwere a long time ago that the Bazooka and the panzerfaust whas kits you cut select to spawn with and the panzserschreak whas a pick up weapon aswell like the StG44?
ohh and Kev4000 sins the StG44 is your favorite weapon perhabs you can answer me this does the gun kick like hell? i mean hard to control on full automatic fire?

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 10-06-2009, 09:06:05
Question pls:-) iff posible

I seem to recall that i read somwere a long time ago that the Bazooka and the panzerfaust whas kits you cut select to spawn with and the panzserschreak whas a pick up weapon aswell like the StG44?
ohh and Kev4000 sins the StG44 is your favorite weapon perhabs you can answer me this does the gun kick like hell? i mean hard to control on full automatic fire?



Kicks a bit but still controlable in full auto at close-medium range. Its possible to enter a room of 5 riflemen with it and kill them all with it. Of course that's also possible with the thompson but the StG44 has longer range. When you absolutely, positively gotta kill every motherfu**er in the room ;) Its still not an uber weapon exactly though, and the style of play it requires (CQC) will still cause you to get killed a lot. In CQC its not necesarily better than an SMG, and at long range no better then a bolt action (worse at very long).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tiny on 10-06-2009, 11:06:48
Sounds wonderful and all, but how is the FW190?   :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 10-06-2009, 11:06:57
On a related note, how is the FG42 distributed? Is it limited spawnable for FJG (if so in which class slot) or pickup only? Also, since the SS use Italian camo anyway, why not giving them the Beretta M38 on some maps (pickup)? if only to piss of Schneider...

Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 10-06-2009, 11:06:29
why not giving them the Beretta M38 on some maps (pickup)?

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2126/desp.gif)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 10-06-2009, 12:06:05
Somehow it stinks here, I have no idea why.

However, I'm already wondering which winning music the U.S. will have. I hope for the Washing Post March as it's the best american march I know of, but I doubt it.  :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 10-06-2009, 13:06:45
Haha, the Liberty Bell March as winning theme for the US would be epic. That song is also known as the Monty Python theme  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 10-06-2009, 13:06:02
I want that one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8vZsmXUFAg) as German winning march :D
Oh, and what I asked myself: We´ll see Fallschirmjäger models, too, because one map/battle in Normandy involved them?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 10-06-2009, 13:06:42
I'm guessing Stars and Stripes Forever
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: fh_spitfire on 10-06-2009, 14:06:43
It's funny to read your guesses about US win music when all of you have it on your HHDs ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 10-06-2009, 14:06:48
Haha, I listened them once, also the Canadian win theme etc.
But we can hope, hope it's the Liberty Bell March! IT'S ... Forgotten Hope 2 Normandy tuututuututuut!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 10-06-2009, 15:06:21
when all of you have it on your HHDs ;D

Our Holographic Huso Disks?  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kelmola on 10-06-2009, 19:06:42
when all of you have it on your HHDs ;D

Our Holographic Huso Disks?  :P
us_lose.ogg
us_win.ogg
;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 10-06-2009, 20:06:12
Canada is unstoppable!  They only have ca_win.ogg!

Like the music for the USA and Canada though.  Nice job!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: KomradePedrovsk on 11-06-2009, 00:06:39
Awesome new models! And nice to see Panzerfaust held the correct way too :D

For those complaining about the historical accuracy of the textures etc... Why not try doing your own?
Remember this for FH1? -  Historical Sound and Texture Pack by Mr. Cheese and Bratwurst (http://forums.filefront.com/forgotten-hope-general-discussion/305077-historical-sound-texture-pack-mr-cheese-bratwurst-summary-edition.html)

I did a few edits on Photoshop for myself on FH2 textures, but the quality and quantity of the textures and sounds I edited aren't enough to deem a release here on the forums unfortunately...

It seems the only talented people that could do a full historical accurate texture pack would be the devs, but it has to be someone outside the dev team to be considered as an unofficial separate release.

So far we only have a sound pack for FH2, but maybe a Dev could also release a texture pack in the future, but posing as a different person? *hint* *hint*  :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Darren01 on 11-06-2009, 18:06:03
Nice work ZERO.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 11-06-2009, 20:06:12
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 11-06-2009, 20:06:27
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.

 :'(
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ionizer on 11-06-2009, 20:06:27
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.

Teddy, stop using Lightning's avatar!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 11-06-2009, 20:06:46
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
That was quite convincing and I was shocked for a second ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 11-06-2009, 20:06:53
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
IMPOSTER!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 11-06-2009, 20:06:53
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
Totally did not realize that was you.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Aggroman on 11-06-2009, 20:06:20
LoL, he owned us.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: flyboy_fx on 11-06-2009, 20:06:39
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
IMPOSTER!




LETS SHOOT HIM :-X :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 11-06-2009, 20:06:36
Hell no!

We're not savages for god's sake.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tiny on 11-06-2009, 20:06:26
This week or next week? as the update was last weekend...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 11-06-2009, 20:06:34
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
IMPOSTER!
LETS SHOOT HIM :-X :P

Big change that if you do that you won't have FH 2.2 untill Xmas
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 11-06-2009, 20:06:10
Haha this worked better than I first imagined!

There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
IMPOSTER!
LETS SHOOT HIM :-X :P

Big change that if you do that you won't have FH 2.2 untill Xmas
And seems that someone still hasn't realized who I am!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 11-06-2009, 20:06:52
I did a few edits on Photoshop for myself on FH2 textures, but the quality and quantity of the textures and sounds I edited aren't enough to deem a release here on the forums unfortunately...

  A guy I know gave me a sweet sound pack with some new sounds as well as some ripped from other games for FH2.  When the German panzers are flipping out with MG34 fire it almost brings a tear to my eye. 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Lainer on 11-06-2009, 20:06:30
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
IMPOSTER!
LETS SHOOT HIM :-X :P

Big change that if you do that you won't have FH 2.2 untill Xmas
And seems that someone still hasn't realized who I am!

I still can't recall who you are.....
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 11-06-2009, 20:06:02
Hes that guy that supposedly is in our clan but never shows up.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 11-06-2009, 21:06:20
I still can't recall who you are.....
And seems that someone still hasn't realized who I am!
I guess I should say:

And seems that someone still hasn't realized who I'm not!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Aggroman on 11-06-2009, 21:06:06
There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.

Teddy, stop using Lightning's avatar!

There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
That was quite convincing and I was shocked for a second ;)

There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
IMPOSTER!

There will be no newsupdate next week, as we have nothing to show.
Totally did not realize that was you.

LoL, he owned us.

Yeah, nobody recognized it...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 11-06-2009, 21:06:25
And seems that someone still hasn't realized who I'm not!
Wait, I'm confused ???

This week or next week? as the update was last weekend...
Answered with:
The next update will be around Wednesday next week.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 11-06-2009, 23:06:05
Haha. Very funny. Next person to steal my avatar dies...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 11-06-2009, 23:06:41
Haha. Very funny. Next person to steal my avatar dies...
Well to be honest I've always liked your avatar, and you changed a few days back. Knowing that I thought; "perhaps I can use it now, and maybe get a laugh while I'm at it".
But now you use it again!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 11-06-2009, 23:06:53
I only set the other one temporarily, as a hint for the newsupdate.

I didn't use it for more than 6 hours...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 12-06-2009, 00:06:29
Haha. Very funny. Next person to steal my avatar dies...
I think I prefered you when all you did was crush dreams.

You've changed man, you've changed...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: GooGeL on 12-06-2009, 01:06:37
Haha. Very funny. Next person to steal my avatar dies...
I think I prefered you when all you did was crush dreams.

You've changed man, you've changed...
They expect this year to be a good tulip season probably. :p
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: azreal on 12-06-2009, 01:06:15
If they counter is on the FH2 main page, does that mean an update is today? I've never quite figured this out.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 12-06-2009, 01:06:33
If they counter is on the FH2 main page, does that mean an update is today? I've never quite figured this out.
The counter is allways there.  It just shows the time (GMT).  Sometimes it takes ageas to load though, so you might not see it then.  I've never seen the mystical countdown timer that appears shortly before updates.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 12-06-2009, 01:06:09
If they counter is on the FH2 main page, does that mean an update is today? I've never quite figured this out.
The counter is allways there.  It just shows the time (GMT).  Sometimes it takes ageas to load though, so you might not see it then.  I've never seen the mystical countdown timer that appears shortly before updates.
No there is a counter there besides the GMT time. It seems to be counting up though..............
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: azreal on 12-06-2009, 01:06:28
perhaps its counting up towards a time?!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 12-06-2009, 01:06:40
Good Gob it must be doomsday!!!.........*runs for backyard fallout shelter*
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Wilhelm on 12-06-2009, 03:06:41
Good Gob it must be doomsday!!!.........*runs for backyard fallout shelter*

Good Gob?  Is that a reference toward Fallout 3 I see there?! :p
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: [130.Pz]S.Tiemann on 12-06-2009, 04:06:13
Me and the keyboard have a love hate relationship lol.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: elander on 12-06-2009, 14:06:58
perhaps its counting up towards a time?!

haha :P counting up :P that was new to me ;)

If it would have been counting down then , wow , but it dosn't so...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Admiral Donutz on 12-06-2009, 17:06:38
Wonderful updates, lovely models. Excellent work, overall a great texture. Sure one may argue the green could be a little more obvious but I like the work overall.  :)

*drool*
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 12-06-2009, 18:06:02
perhaps its counting up towards a time?!
Yes, it counts up to 24:00:00, then it is reset.




It is called: 'a clock'.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 12-06-2009, 18:06:06
perhaps its counting up towards a time?!
Yes, it counts up to 24:00:00, then it is reset.




It is called: 'a clock'.
The FH team keeps suprising me with their genius ideas. Do you guys got a patent on this? You should get one,  I think this got potential!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 12-06-2009, 21:06:45
I honestly don't see the use, this "clock" will never be popular outside our little community.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 12-06-2009, 21:06:04
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Mspfc Doc DuFresne on 12-06-2009, 21:06:45
Jesus Fucking Christ, Schneider, where do you get such a twisted mind to think up stuff like that?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 13-06-2009, 03:06:52
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
This reminds me of when I idly watched a game of minesweeper for a few hours to see what happened when the clock reached 999.  Turns out nothing, you just suck.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Tedacious on 13-06-2009, 03:06:34
a few hours =  approximately 16 minutes
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Krätzer on 13-06-2009, 04:06:10
Mhm Waffen SS Criminal?

Since 2004 or 2005  is the parole " Ruhm und Ehre der Waffen SS" legal in Germany....
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 13-06-2009, 10:06:19
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
No, it can't get that worse you freak, now you can get on time if you have a date with your girlfriend! Like see me at the number 21:39 at the Italian restaurant, I'm sure that works!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: RedSand on 13-06-2009, 10:06:33
perhaps its counting up towards a time?!
Yes, it counts up to 24:00:00, then it is reset.




It is called: 'a clock'.


***adds to the dreams crushed by lighting list***

- Crushed dreams and speculations about mystery timer...

Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
No, it can't get that worse you freak, now you can get on time if you have a date with your girlfriend! Like see me at the number 21:39 at the Italian restaurant, I'm sure that works!

***adds to examples of list***

- This is an example of a lie...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 13-06-2009, 12:06:17
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
No, it can't get that worse you freak, now you can get on time if you have a date with your girlfriend! Like see me at the number 21:39 at the Italian restaurant, I'm sure that works!
I'm german. I'm always on time.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-06-2009, 12:06:35
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
No, it can't get that worse you freak, now you can get on time if you have a date with your girlfriend! Like see me at the number 21:39 at the Italian restaurant, I'm sure that works!

Pfft, what do you know about girlfriends?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 13-06-2009, 12:06:22
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
No, it can't get that worse you freak, now you can get on time if you have a date with your girlfriend! Like see me at the number 21:39 at the Italian restaurant, I'm sure that works!
I'm german. I'm always on time.
On time? Time? What is time, you don't use a clock in secret without telling us, do you?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-06-2009, 12:06:50
Yeah what would be the use of something that counts up to 23:59:59 and then resets?
Probably noone would care.
In the worst case, people would start to orientate on these numbers, and press all of their life's in those fixed numbers, setting up all their things after them. That would be horrible, a life in a cage.
No, it can't get that worse you freak, now you can get on time if you have a date with your girlfriend! Like see me at the number 21:39 at the Italian restaurant, I'm sure that works!
I'm german. I'm always on time.
On time? Time? What is time, you don't use a clock in secret without telling us, do you?

No we have it in our blood. We also anticipate visitors and open the door seconds before they knock, saying "You vere awaited. Ze master is upstairs"
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: K.Cower on 13-06-2009, 12:06:02
Use PM system to flood each other... really boring read that shit.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: corsair89 on 13-06-2009, 16:06:55
Awesome playermodels , congratulations Zero  ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lobo on 14-06-2009, 08:06:31
Haha. Very funny. Next person to steal my avatar dies...

I liked more the crushing dreams version, fatjoe, post it and you earn a virtual cookie
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Zero on 14-06-2009, 11:06:38
Haha. Very funny. Next person to steal my avatar dies...
[treachery] i never gave you permission to use my pic. [/treachery]  ;D
[seppuku]Lightning[/seppuku] :P


Which model of helmet is this?
m42 (http://www.german-helmets.com/HEER%20M1942%20Helmets.htm), has an unrolled edge (oppose to the DAK m40 ingame)

the Rad's German models for the DAK
i made them as well

No one paid any attention how there are no hoops on the k98's frontsights at all?  :P
traitor! (just imported the wrong one accidentally for the render)

2) Are we seeing 2 variants of face; heavier set for superiors it appears, and slimmer for lower ranks?
3) Could the leaves be for say, sniper kits and perhaps yet another model (Some bocage maps or something)?
2)3 faces. 2 regular faces and an NCO(older, with scarf)
3)bf2 problem. chicken wire with no leaves is better than no chicken wire

Interesting, how much time did takes to build those beautiful models?
long enough. lq model->uv->zbrush->update/fix lq model/uv->bake->make variations->make textures->so on. apart from the main model there are also the unseen things. optimizing the final in-game UV and texture, LODs, weighting the model to bones, exporting, setting up code(thank remdul and our coders[kev, ctz] as well). repeat for each model.

the medic even looks pissed,cause he knows that his kit sucks  ;D
Even with all the flame crap in this thread this had me laughing the hardest.  I mean he has to stand in the same pic with Mr.STG and Mr.Faust holding his gay ass little P38.  I would be pissed as well!
perhaps it was made too obvious. btw, p08
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Meadow on 14-06-2009, 12:06:53
the Rad's German models for the DAK
i made them as well

My mistake! I got confused because Rad made the British ones. Still, the point still stands - I haven't been this impressed with detail in modeling since those first playermodels were shown off. Keep it up, you're a very talented graphical artist.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lobo on 15-06-2009, 07:06:48
long enough. lq model->uv->zbrush->update/fix lq model/uv->bake->make variations->make textures->so on. apart from the main model there are also the unseen things. optimizing the final in-game UV and texture, LODs, weighting the model to bones, exporting, setting up code(thank remdul and our coders[kev, ctz] as well). repeat for each model.

+ your twisted punk-rocker life, Las Vegas, the booze, the hooKers, Mary-Lou the unknow blonde awakening with ya in a nameless motel in the Highway 69, with an Elvis wig and a wedding license in the table
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 15-06-2009, 16:06:08
On a related note, how is the FG42 distributed? Is it limited spawnable for FJG (if so in which class slot) or pickup only?



Could a dev or tester please answer this question? (Or is it one of those super secret black heli classified things?  ;))
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 15-06-2009, 16:06:08
On maps with fallschirmjäger it replaces the MG34.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 15-06-2009, 16:06:02
No spawnable heavy MGs for them? I would have placed it in the assault slot, but then again you probably tested it.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: bosco on 15-06-2009, 16:06:53
On maps with fallschirmjäger it replaces the MG34.

Will there be a deployed mode (bipod) for the FG42?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 15-06-2009, 16:06:03
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/090303FG42.jpg)

might be
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Frediosz_pl on 15-06-2009, 17:06:24
Oh God! My Precious... :) But i would be better if instead assault troops with Kar98k make troops with FG42...
FG's designers plan was FG42 to be the substitute for Kar98k.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Thorondor123 on 15-06-2009, 17:06:46
It was supposed to replace service rifles, SMG's and LMG/universal MG's in FJ units. But it was far too rare to be given for riflemen in FH2.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 15-06-2009, 17:06:11
Oh God! My Precious... :) But i would be better if instead assault troops with Kar98k make troops with FG42...
FG's designers plan was to be the FG substitute for Kar98k.

It was usually used like the american BAR, on a one per squad basis.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Die Happy on 15-06-2009, 17:06:35
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/090303FG42.jpg)

might be

my favorite automatic weapon ingame (i dont count scoped G43 as automatic ;) )
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 15-06-2009, 18:06:20
Hw´s the recoil of the FG42? Similiar to that of the K98k since they use the same ammunition?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-06-2009, 18:06:49
Probaly a little more then the BAR


But who needs recoil or accuracy, when someone is standing 10 feet away from you, and you have a BAR/FG42  ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 15-06-2009, 18:06:31
On maps with fallschirmjäger it replaces the MG34.

So the MG42 will be pick-up then I take it?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 15-06-2009, 18:06:41
Yes indeed.

The recoil on the FG42 is sideways, which is horrible to control.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kurb King on 15-06-2009, 18:06:12
Yes indeed.

The recoil on the FG42 is sideways, which is horrible to control.
The recoil is sideways on the FG42?  What causes this?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kubador on 15-06-2009, 18:06:21
Side magazine perhaps?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 15-06-2009, 18:06:00
The recoil is sideways on the FG42?  What causes this?
The side mounted magazine and in line stock are the main cause of this.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Die Happy on 15-06-2009, 18:06:35
i like the sideways recoil nice to mow down  groups
but mostly i use it in single shot mode or just fire 1 shot. as it uses same ammo as the k98 it is also as deadly.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Frediosz_pl on 15-06-2009, 18:06:25
It was supposed to replace service rifles, SMG's and LMG/universal MG's in FJ units. But it was far too rare to be given for riflemen in FH2.


I meant FJ schutze and FJ stormtroops... by bad again :D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 15-06-2009, 19:06:40
i like the sideways recoil nice to mow down  groups
but mostly i use it in single shot mode or just fire 1 shot. as it uses same ammo as the k98 it is also as deadly.
good god!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Die Happy on 15-06-2009, 20:06:48
NO INFANTRY WEAPON ismore deadly than a MG42  (well maybe the flamethrower  ;))
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-06-2009, 20:06:03
Like i said

Who needs recoil when your enemy is 10 feet away in a room  :P ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 15-06-2009, 20:06:57
Me, because without recoil I would fire the whole magazine to the same point (that is, somewhere on the wall, not on the enemy).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: hOMEr_jAy on 15-06-2009, 21:06:34
NO INFANTRY WEAPON ismore deadly than a MG42  (well maybe the flamethrower  ;))
I´d love to see the flamer in action. Is there any way I can find out your adress and break into your house to play the beta just to see it?  ::)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 15-06-2009, 22:06:29
It was supposed to replace service rifles, SMG's and LMG/universal MG's in FJ units. But it was far too rare to be given for riflemen in FH2.

Yes and no.  It was really just issued in the sense of the BAR to FJ units.  As for how common it was, put things in perspective.  Around 7000-8000 were made.  Only around 50,000-75,000 FJ were ever in service at any one moment.  So, while its a rare weapon over all, that's actually a LOT of FG42s in service with the FJ.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-06-2009, 22:06:01
Wich makes it around 1 FG42 every 10 FJ
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Thorondor123 on 15-06-2009, 22:06:08
And that's why riflemen should not have it.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fearbefore. on 15-06-2009, 22:06:19
Got a question not worth making a thread about, but in FH1 I vaguely remember using a scoped FG42 - is it in 0.7? An earlier version of FH? Am I completely-fuck insane?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 15-06-2009, 22:06:25
And that's why riflemen should not have it.

Not riflemen, but it should be a spawnable, restricted class.  So look at the 50,000-75,000 FJ.  Probably only 30,000-50,000 of those are actually front line combatants, that would get their hands on those rifles (the rest are divisional support, supply, aide, etc....).  Now, even if only 3000 FG42 were in issuance at any one time, that makes it probably as common as the Bren gun in British formations.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Thorondor123 on 15-06-2009, 22:06:04
So... what's the issue then?

On maps with fallschirmjäger it replaces the MG34.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-06-2009, 22:06:02
Its strong yes, but only 20 Rounds,   be a madman and deplete those rounds instance, and you'll be shot pretty quickly   :(


Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 15-06-2009, 22:06:19
So... what's the issue then?

On maps with fallschirmjäger it replaces the MG34.

Oh.  I missed that. xD

Ok, good :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 16-06-2009, 04:06:54
(well maybe the flamethrower  ;))

 ;D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 16-06-2009, 04:06:50
Yes indeed.

The recoil on the FG42 is sideways, which is horrible to control.
The recoil is sideways on the FG42?  What causes this?

I caused it :D
Anyway, if you look at the FG42's stock, you can see that its straight, not curved like other weapons. This causes the recoil to be directly pushed into the shoulder. Now I'm no real expert on weapon recoil, but if someone hits you directly in your right shoulder, which way will your body pivot? Likely most to the side + a little upwards. Which is the direction the FG42 recoil goes in, mostly to the side and a little upward.

Also another thing affecting weapon recoil is stance and weapon weight. If you're prone, the recoil will be directed throughout your entire body. With a straight stock weapon, such as the MG34, 42, and FG42, this will kill a lot of the upwards recoil. Weapon weight also contributes a lot. The FG42, being as light as it is, will have much more recoil than the bar1918 or bren (these weighing twice that of the FG42).
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Frediosz_pl on 16-06-2009, 17:06:50
(well maybe the flamethrower  ;))

 ;D



I hope that there will be a flamenwerfer in normandy...  8)
 ???
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Meadow on 16-06-2009, 18:06:10
They've modeled one and have said that the code works for it, so I don't see why not :)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Niam on 16-06-2009, 18:06:17
I think somebody said something about a flame-thrower on point du hoc, could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-06-2009, 18:06:11
I hope the flame effect works better than in PR, where it counts as suicide when you're killed by Molotov cocktails.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 16-06-2009, 19:06:08
I think somebody said something about a flame-thrower on point du hoc, could be wrong though.
Well, sounds logical, an assault map with bunkers and loads of places to clear, plus theres a US flamethrower in the weapons section on the website, so 2 + 2 = **** yeh
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Frediosz_pl on 16-06-2009, 19:06:38
But Germans will be allowed to have one?
God! I hope they will cause i love FT and the smell of napalm in the morning ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-06-2009, 19:06:48
Not in 2.2, because they don't need one on the maps that were shown so far.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 19:06:08
Keep in mind that there are at least 5 more maps than they're telling us.

Update:
It's not coming out until/after August.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 16-06-2009, 19:06:33
Keep in mind that there are at least 5 more maps than they're telling us.

Update:
It's not coming out until/after August.

Thats unofficial. As I've said countless times, we're not working towards any deadlines, and we have no concrete list of what must be finished before we release. Thus, all predictions are extremely unprecise.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2009, 19:06:46
When it is done, it is done
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 19:06:31
...and thus the "Until/After" part. 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Alakazou on 16-06-2009, 19:06:19
...and thus the "Until/After" part. 

Hey Einstein, here two prediction for you. You will die today and you will not die today.

Stop flooding please. ::)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-06-2009, 19:06:37
God! I hope they will cause i love FT and the smell of napalm in the morning ;)

smells like... FH2.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 16-06-2009, 19:06:31
God! I hope they will cause i love FT and the smell of napalm in the morning ;)

I can tell you right now, the smell of burning human flesh is certainly not pleasant.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 19:06:07
not after what he's seen in 'Nam.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fearbefore. on 16-06-2009, 19:06:02
Shame.. that's one of the few dimensions still unexplored in gaming.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Biiviz on 16-06-2009, 19:06:48
not after what he's seen in 'Nam.

Sauna accident, actually.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 20:06:18
oh. sounds like a bad burn and smells like sandalwood.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 16-06-2009, 20:06:36
Bah, all the flamethrower is in reality is a massive sign above your head saying "Shoot Me!"

Real men clear bunkers with cold steel.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 16-06-2009, 20:06:25
I thought real men clear a room with a fart, but there you go....
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ionizer on 16-06-2009, 20:06:22
ATTENTION:  THE WARRIOR

Don't link to questionable websites in your signature.  Also, aren't you like 13?  You really shouldn't be visiting that website...

I'm not trying to be a moderator or anything, but there are rules to follow.  Also, if anyone happens to be curious and finds that website by accident, I feel bad for them.  And if a child finds it by accident, it's a catastrophe.  For the sanctity of the youth of the internet and the sanity of the adults, please remove that from your signature. 

Also, you fail at putting images onto forums.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 20:06:12
no, It's just a picture of Stalin. Bobbing his head to techno music. Thorondor showed it to me, and I thought iw as funny. The link's dead now. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ionizer on 16-06-2009, 20:06:09
The point was that is still pointed back towards the scumhole of the internet.

If you find something on there (which, with you being underage, you probably shouldn't be there to begin with, but that's between you and your parents), upload it to photobucket or imageshack and then use it, just so long as nothing points back to...that place.

Again, it's none of my business, but I'm sure there are people who would rather not have that place's stench mucking up our FH forums.  And I'm one of them.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 20:06:53
yeah. I agree. Just check this out:
#3 in the list.
http://www.cracked.com/article_17341_5-terrifying-bastardizations-wikipedia-model.html

man, are they crazy.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: azreal on 16-06-2009, 20:06:56
Pfft, I hate the flamethrower. It draws more German people towards it than Oktoberfest. Personally, I tend to keep attention away from me with my M1903.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 21:06:00
Holy crap, Kelmola!  :o
Quote
Kelmola--Winter War Thread, P.3
I am already regretting for not saving the pictures and/or the thread, but once upon a time on 4chan there was a thread full of win, where an American weapons collector presented his newly acquired L-39 in glorious detail. (People were naturally shocked just by seeing the sheer size of that thing...)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Thorondor123 on 16-06-2009, 21:06:01
no, It's just a picture of Stalin. Bobbing his head to techno music. Thorondor showed it to me, and I thought iw as funny. The link's dead now. Oh, well.
Yeah, blame me :I
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2009, 21:06:59
This reminds me, will we see Springfields M1903 withouth the scope in Normandy?(as a regular bolt action rifle?)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 16-06-2009, 21:06:09
unlikely
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 21:06:46
No (Asked Kev already. :()
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fearbefore. on 16-06-2009, 21:06:47
It wasn't use that often in Normandy though, was it? In comparison to other American weapons?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 16-06-2009, 21:06:29
Don't worry you will see a bolt-action (non scoped) one in the early Pacific maps
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Eat Uranium on 16-06-2009, 22:06:02
And anyway, who needs a springfield when you have a P17?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 16-06-2009, 22:06:05
And anyway, who needs a springfield when you have a P17?

Absolutely no one. P17 is just awesome and I take it anytime over any other rifle.*

* = except maybe some finnish rifles...
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 16-06-2009, 22:06:30
You wont get any Finnish rifles Flippy. They will never be ingame. Never I say! NEVER!

Hey Lightning is right, this is fun.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Cory the Otter on 16-06-2009, 22:06:53
FINLAND NEVER EXISTED!!!!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: THeTA0123 on 16-06-2009, 22:06:13
Oh well, the scoped version is also good
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Wasntmenl on 17-06-2009, 09:06:37
I have one qeustion still about the update wich one is the officer?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Kev4000 on 17-06-2009, 09:06:11
I have one qeustion still about the update wich one is the officer?

The guys with the mp40.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 17-06-2009, 11:06:06
I have one qeustion still about the update wich one is the officer?

HA!  It's a trick question!  There is no officer, there IS an NCO, with the rank of Unterfeldwebel! :P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Fuchs on 17-06-2009, 11:06:37
Ha! You tricked in it my dear friend Mudra, he is a Unteroffizier! Oh wait I forgot about the vertical stripe.

He is a Unterfeldwebel indeed which does not match the ingame Unteroffizier as squadleader. Hm.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 17-06-2009, 11:06:59
He is a Unterfeldwebel indeed which does not match the ingame Unteroffizier as squadleader. Hm.
Unteroffizier simply means NCO in this case. It doesn't refer to the specific rank.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 17-06-2009, 14:06:03
He is a Unterfeldwebel indeed which does not match the ingame Unteroffizier as squadleader. Hm.
Unteroffizier simply means NCO in this case. It doesn't refer to the specific rank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commissioned_officer (http://Non-commissioned officer)

 Are the US playermodels allready in progress?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 17-06-2009, 15:06:49
I guess they're already done.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 17-06-2009, 15:06:26
Not sure about that.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Big Lebowski on 17-06-2009, 15:06:37
Rad showed off some american player models a long time ago. Dont know if they will be used or some others are in the making.. they looked good to me.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 17-06-2009, 16:06:47
IIRC those were lost in a HDD crash?
However, one of the devs said they had all the playermodels & other stuff they'd need ready.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Wasntmenl on 17-06-2009, 16:06:03
Thanks for the answers and I ment NCO anyway I was sure about the FJ one but not about the heer one since there was no clear assault kit shown like the stg44 for the FJ. (at leas I think thats the assault kit for the FJ correct me if I am wrong)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 17-06-2009, 16:06:04
the camouflaged player models shown are not FJ but Waffen SS. Also the StG44 will probably not be the assault kit on account of it being rarely used in normandy.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 17-06-2009, 16:06:28
The classes are:

Heer:
1st render:
- Scout (guy with the binoculars)
- Support (guy with the MG42)
- Engineer (guy loading the panzerschreck)
- Anti-tank (guy holding the panzerschreck)
2nd render:
- Rifleman (guy with the K98)
- NCO (guy with the MP40)
- Assault (guy with the grenade)

Waffen:
1st render:
- Scout (guy with the K98)
- Engineer (guy with the geballte ladung)
- Rifleman (guy with the G43)
- NCO (guy with the Mp40)
2nd render:
- Support (guy with the luger)
- Assault (guy with the StG44)
- Anti-tank (guy with the panzerfaust)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Ts4EVER on 17-06-2009, 16:06:14
since you're here: Is there an update tonight?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 17-06-2009, 17:06:32
since you're here: Is there an update tonight?
Yes.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: G.Drew on 17-06-2009, 17:06:13
since you're here: Is there an update tonight?
Yes.
(http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jizz_in_pants_andy_samberg.jpg)

just kidding, great news!
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: bosco on 17-06-2009, 18:06:15
"tonight" in Hong Kong time  ; D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 17-06-2009, 23:06:57
He is a Unterfeldwebel indeed which does not match the ingame Unteroffizier as squadleader. Hm.
Unteroffizier simply means NCO in this case. It doesn't refer to the specific rank.

Um, no, Unteroffizer is a rank in the German army to this day.  In WW2, it was essentially the rank of Sergeant (though British historians have yet to figure that out, usually labeling it as Corporal, which is a gross error in judgement, considering the fact that the Unteroffizer was the squad CO, while Obergefreiter was the XO, and duly the corporal)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 18-06-2009, 00:06:09
Ok, I thought I was clear enough to avoid confusion. Let me rephrase:

In Forgotten Hope 2, where it says "unteroffizier" in the German class menu, we mean it as a general term for NCOs, not as the German rank of unteroffizier. While we acknowledge that such a rank does exist in the modern German army and existed in the German army of the third reich, that is not what it means in this specific case of the class menu.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: 508th PIR Hawkeye on 18-06-2009, 00:06:51
IIRC those were lost in a HDD crash?
However, one of the devs said they had all the playermodels & other stuff they'd need ready.

Sweet, so this is a newbie question but I'll still ask it anyway; what needs to be done untill they release 2.2? (or what keeps them from releasing it...)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 18-06-2009, 00:06:36
My guess would be polishing and balancing, mainly. And that sure is a helllotof work.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Lightning on 18-06-2009, 00:06:54
What needs to be done untill they release 2.2?
That depends on what you want in it.

My guess would be polishing and balancing, mainly. And that sure is a helllotof work.
Actually that's not right. Stuff is being added all the time. For example, the items from today's news; the churchill has only been ingame for a few days and has not been properly tested. The 155mm GPF isn't in game yet at all. Also, as you may have noticed by spying on our test server, we added another brand new map that hadn't been tested yet at all.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 18-06-2009, 05:06:03
Ok, I thought I was clear enough to avoid confusion. Let me rephrase:

In Forgotten Hope 2, where it says "unteroffizier" in the German class menu, we mean it as a general term for NCOs, not as the German rank of unteroffizier. While we acknowledge that such a rank does exist in the modern German army and existed in the German army of the third reich, that is not what it means in this specific case of the class menu.

Ok, good ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Schneider on 18-06-2009, 21:06:17
My guess would be polishing and balancing, mainly. And that sure is a helllotof work.
Actually that's not right. Stuff is being added all the time. For example, the items from today's news; the churchill has only been ingame for a few days and has not been properly tested. The 155mm GPF isn't in game yet at all. Also, as you may have noticed by spying on our test server, we added another brand new map that hadn't been tested yet at all.

Okay okay. I said mainly.  ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: HusMuseN on 21-06-2009, 15:06:46
Great update guys  ;D cant wait to see the FJs. Also one thing im wondering which rank will the SS nco have? Scharfuhrer?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: flyboy_fx on 22-06-2009, 00:06:52
SO  THERE WILL BE FALLSCHRIMJEGERS? ;D :o :o :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Meadow on 22-06-2009, 01:06:09
SO  THERE WILL BE FALLSCHRIMJEGERS? ;D :o :o :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

A post by a fan hoping for FJ models does not confirm that FJ models are in development.

I for one would also appreciate it if you would not type messages all in caps, it looks like you are shouting.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 22-06-2009, 03:06:22
For FJ models, I think the best answer is this.

They will probably, eventually, after awhile, get made.  Maybe for 2.2, maybe for 2.25, maybe not until 2.5, but they will eventually get made.  For now, just sit down and be patient about it.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Taranov on 22-06-2009, 06:06:17
SO  THERE WILL BE FALLSCHRIMJEGERS? ;D :o :o :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

FJ later ;)
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: flyboy_fx on 22-06-2009, 06:06:41
SO  THERE WILL BE FALLSCHRIMJEGERS? ;D :o :o :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

A post by a fan hoping for FJ models does not confirm that FJ models are in development.

I for one would also appreciate it if you would not type messages all in caps, it looks like you are shouting.



man i was SHOUTING :P


i just thought i was missing something great ::) 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Torenico on 23-06-2009, 06:06:36
SO  THERE WILL BE FALLSCHRIMJEGERS? ;D :o :o :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

A post by a fan hoping for FJ models does not confirm that FJ models are in development.

I for one would also appreciate it if you would not type messages all in caps, it looks like you are shouting.
Yeah but, please, dont it again ok?

You're like a little kid trying to get attention... sorry but i had to say it  ::)


Peace


man i was SHOUTING :P


i just thought i was missing something great ::) 
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 25-06-2009, 02:06:17
He is a Unterfeldwebel indeed which does not match the ingame Unteroffizier as squadleader. Hm.
Unteroffizier simply means NCO in this case. It doesn't refer to the specific rank.

Um, no, Unteroffizer is a rank in the German army to this day.  In WW2, it was essentially the rank of Sergeant (though British historians have yet to figure that out, usually labeling it as Corporal, which is a gross error in judgement, considering the fact that the Unteroffizer was the squad CO, while Obergefreiter was the XO, and duly the corporal)
Wait, so what was gefrieter? Lance-corporal?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 25-06-2009, 02:06:17
Sorta.  The germans had an interesting rank system in the war that is sorta unlike any other.

The german ranks are typically given as this:

Schuetze- Private
Oberschuetze- Private First Class
Gefreiter- Lance Corporal
Obergefreiter- Corporal
Stabsgefreiter- Staff Corporal
Unteroffizer- Sergeant
Unterfeldwebel- Staff Sergeant
Feldwebel- Sergeant First Class
Oberfeldwebel- Master Sergeant
Stabsfeldwebel- First Sergeant
(into the officer ranks, it follows normal western protocol).

That's in comparison to the USA military ranks.  HOWEVER, that is NOT completely correct.  The enlisted ranks of the german army were actually organized to reward good soldiers, and punish poor quality ones.  It starts in the rank of Schuetze.  From Schuetze, after training on a specialty weapon (machine gun, anti-tank rocket, arty gunner, mortar gunner, etc...), you were automatically promoted to Gefreiter.  All others who were not specialists were promoted to Gefreiter within 6 months to a year after leaving basic training.  This skipped the rank of Oberschuetze.  The way you got promoted to Oberschuetze was either flunking your specialist training, or being unable to gain the automatic promotion to Gefreiter (disciplinary problems or such).  It was possible however to rise to Gefreiter after being Oberschuetze, think of it was a wake-me-up rank.

After that, 6 months to a year after Gefreiter, you got Obergefreiter (this is on average of course, exemplary work could get you expressed through the ranks.)  Beyond Obergefreiter, the next step was NCO training to become an Unteroffizer.  Obergefreiters were normally section commanders (MG, mortar, heavy MG, or such), and in an infantry unit, acted as the XO of the squad.  Those specially selected for NCO training wore a strip of tress over their shoulder board, width wise.  If you passed NCO training, you were promoted to Unteroffizer, skipping the rank of Stabsgefreiter.  If you flunked, or were otherwise deemed unfit to become an NCO, you were made Stabsgefreiter.  Stabsgefreiter was the dead end rank.  It was next to impossible to move up from that rank, and you were typically given disciplinary or staff roles, the only jobs that didn't require you to actually command men.

Beyond that, you have the normal NCO ranks.  Stabsfeldwebel, unlike Stabsgefreiter, was an honorific rank, normally reserved for 20 year vets, who did not wish to become officers, which normally was given after the rank of Oberfeldwebel.  However, if they chose too, they could still later become a Leutnant.

Mixed into the ranks of the German NCOs is a rank taht really is hard to place right, Hauptfeldwebel.  The Hauptfeldwebel (or Spiess) was typically the senior NCO of the company, but could be anywhere from Unteroffizer to Stabsfeldwebel.  The symbol of their rank was 2 strips of tress around each tunic cuff, and their booklet, which was placed into the tunic flap, and held lists of all the men in the unit, punishments, awards, promotions, equipment and food issues, etc....

(http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.nom.br/hauptfeldwebel.jpg)

Here you see a Hauptfeldwebel in the Luftwaffe on the left, the cuff tress and his booklet clearly visible.  He holds the normal rank of Oberfeldwebel.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Krätzer on 25-06-2009, 06:06:23

(http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.nom.br/hauptfeldwebel.jpg)

Here you see a Hauptfeldwebel in the Luftwaffe on the left, the cuff tress and his booklet clearly visible.  He holds the normal rank of Oberfeldwebel.

Its only Feldwebel, Hauptfeldwebel is only in the Bundeswehr.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 25-06-2009, 09:06:22
Um, excuse me?  Hauptfeldwebel WAS in the Wehrmacht.  Plus that man's nominal rank is an Oberfeldwebel, note the 2 pips.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-219-0597-10,_Josef_Niemitz.jpg)

Another Hauptfeldwebel, the cuff tress clearly visible, nominal rank Oberfeldwebel.

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1927/spiess.jpg)

And yet another, cuff tree clearly visible, and of the nominal rank of Feldwebel.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-L03926,_Drontheim,_britische_Kriegsgefangene.jpg)

Here we see yet another Hauptfeldwebel, his reporting pouch in hand, recording British prisoners.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Krätzer on 25-06-2009, 09:06:19
A okey you mean the Position and not the Rank.
The Position of Kompaniefeldwebel, Mum for all.. they are like Psychodocs for the Soldiers.

I thought you write about the Rank.
I know the Ranks of the Wehrmacht my greatuncle was Oberfeldwebel in the Wehrmacht.
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 25-06-2009, 09:06:03
Ok, good, I thought you were saying that the position didn't exist in WW2...xD

And yes, they were "Der Spiess", and mother of the unit.:P
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 25-06-2009, 16:06:31
So essentially he was a company sergeant major, yeah?
Title: Re: Forgotten Hope News Update: 7th June 2009: Infanterie Greift An!
Post by: VonMudra on 25-06-2009, 19:06:36
Yep :P  Just, it wasn't a promotable part of the rank structure, it was an appointed position.