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Washington (CNN) -- At least one -- and possibly all five -- of the detainees with alleged ties to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, will plead not guilty in a "justification defense," arguing the attacks were responses to American foreign policy, according to a lawyer who met with one of the defendants.
Attorney Scott Fenstermaker said he met with defendant Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility last week, and that when Ali and four other men face trial in New York, they likely will plead not guilty and then argue that the attacks were justified.
Fenstermaker, who is representing Ali in a procedural matter at Guantanamo, said he expects Ali will acknowledge a role in the 9/11 attacks, and believes Ali's goal in pleading not guilty would not necessarily be acquittal. The attorney said Monday that during his meeting with Ali at Guantanamo, "he said, 'Here's my goal,' and he wrote down the word 'death' on a piece of paper."
Ali, also known as Ammar al-Baluchi, is described in the 9/11 Commission Report as having helped the hijackers with money transfers, plane tickets, hotel reservations and guidance.
Fenstermaker said that although he is Ali's attorney in the Guantanamo proceeding, so far he has not been asked to represent Ali at trial in New York. He said he cannot speak on behalf of the other four suspects, but he understands they have agreed to coordinate their strategies.
No charges have been filed yet, but Attorney General Eric Holder said this month he intends to try the five suspects in New York. They include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ali's uncle, who has boasted to investigators that he masterminded the attacks of 9/11.
A decision by the suspects to plead not guilty opens the possibility of acquittal, although CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said of Mohammed, "I think the chances of him being acquitted are approximately .001 percent."
Holder has pledged that, even if acquitted, none of the five defendants would be released in the United States.
But many Republican lawmakers say holding the trials in normal public courts is an unnecessary risk, because it gives the suspects rights they would not have had if they were tried in military tribunals. And although cameras are not allowed in federal courts, the trials could also give the defendants a soapbox to incite others.
Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, last week told Holder he was concerned that holding the trial in open court "will provide Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the position to be a martyr and a hero among al Qaeda sympathizers around the world."
And after Holder finished testifying before the committee, Alice Hoagland, the mother of a passenger killed on one of the planes hijacked on 9/11, told him, "I am afraid that the theatrics are going to take over."
Toobin said that during the trial, "a judge would have to restrict the defendants to using, and speaking about, relevant evidence as to guilt or innocence."
"Their views of geopolitics," he said, "are not related."
But during the penalty phase, the defendants could be given more leeway.
"There's always a time during the penalty phase where the defendant is basically allowed to say whatever he or she wants to," said Patrick Rowan, a former top prosecutor in the National Security Division. "I suspect the judge here will be quick to cut them off if they go too far afield, but some of that will definitely happen."
Still, even if a defendant like Mohammed has a chance to speak in court, Holder said, the world "will see him for the coward that he is."
"I'm not scared of what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has to say at trial, and no one else needs to be afraid, either," Holder said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/23/terror.suspect/index.html

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #1 on: 24-02-2010, 07:02:30 »
It would be much harder to get a conviction AND the death penalty for these terrorists in a civilian court (due to the requirement of UNANIMOUS decision by the jury). They could claim they could not get a FAIR trial in NYC because of the 9/11's publicity and if there was no MUSLIM juror on the jury. It takes only a sympathetic juror for these men to be acquitted and a mockery of U.S. judicial system. Don't believe me? Just think about the O.J.'s trial. Only in America, a man killed 2 people AND still walked away a free man! That says a lot about our civilian judicial system. Personally, I believe the military court is the right place for these terrorists

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #2 on: 24-02-2010, 07:02:58 »
 Military intervention hasn't exactly worked so far...

8 years + and still no convictions from the Military courts, therefore on a personal level I think the guys deserve a release for inhumane treatment by the Americans.


 Civilian trial is the way to go, all though the men are truly bastards there is no reason for us to change the rules just so that some families can feel a little better during courtroom testimony. The terrorist's want to be treated badly just to prove how abusive the 'evil empire' truly is, so why re-invent the wheel and put them on special trial?

 besides, what makes them any worse than any past president ordering extra-judicial assasinations or an NATO strike killing civilians in Afghanistan?
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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #3 on: 24-02-2010, 07:02:49 »
Why give him the death penalty, thats just what he wants. Make him rot away in solitary confinment somewhere miserable.

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #4 on: 24-02-2010, 07:02:11 »
I don't think that anybody on the Jury will find any of them not-guilty, and if they do and reasonable doubt has been established (I don't know what the evidence is exactly) then the death penalty might be inappropriate.

Still, both Civilian and Military courts do their jobs just fine. We should restrain the power of the military judicial system to things relating to the military, however.
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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #5 on: 24-02-2010, 07:02:33 »
I don't think that anybody on the Jury will find any of them not-guilty, and if they do and reasonable doubt has been established (I don't know what the evidence is exactly) then the death penalty might be inappropriate.

Still, both Civilian and Military courts do their jobs just fine. We should restrain the power of the military judicial system to things relating to the military, however.

 No civilized Military has a right to intervene in Civil affairs and that definitely includes the prosecution of 'Terrorists'.


 I think they should definitely use the defence that America deserved it. There's still about 200, 000 dead Iraqi's that need to be given justice and when will ever be able to prosecute Bill Clinton for starving children?.
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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #6 on: 24-02-2010, 08:02:48 »
Why give him the death penalty, thats just what he wants. Make him rot away in solitary confinment somewhere miserable.

Agreed.  Killing would just make them martyr's in the eyes of these fanatics.  Let them rot away.

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #7 on: 24-02-2010, 08:02:23 »
 if you let them rot to death, then they are still being martyred.

damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 i suggest making them US senators or Congressmen (kind of joking here), so they could at least try and effect changes to US policy or whatever. As the late, great Bob Marley said "a hungry man is an angry man" so let's fill their heads with hope for change.

 Until we remove their reasons to hate the West, there will always be another Khalid Mohammed or Osama to take their place.
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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #8 on: 24-02-2010, 08:02:24 »
Not really, since then they wouldn't die until what, maybe 50, 60 years from now?  Out of sight, out of mind, long forgotten.

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #9 on: 24-02-2010, 08:02:39 »
Not really, since then they wouldn't die until what, maybe 50, 60 years from now?  Out of sight, out of mind, long forgotten.

 Then why are you worried about them now? if they were so inconsequential in the first place,
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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #10 on: 24-02-2010, 08:02:45 »
Not really, since then they wouldn't die until what, maybe 50, 60 years from now?  Out of sight, out of mind, long forgotten.

 Then why are you worried about them now? if they were so inconsequential in the first place,

Huh?  Oh sure they're consequential now, as 1) they need to face the music for their crimes, and 2) the court case is gonna be broadcast around the world, and everyone is gonna know about it.  However, going how such things go, everyone will have forgotten about it in 20, 30 years time.  If you sentence them to death, they'll be executed rather quickly, considering the fame of their case, and automatically become martyrs of the terrorists.  If they die natural deaths in 50 years, no one will raise much of a note, if any.

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #11 on: 24-02-2010, 14:02:23 »
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But many Republican lawmakers say holding the trials in normal public courts is an unnecessary risk, because it gives the suspects rights they would not have had if they were tried in military tribunals. And although cameras are not allowed in federal courts, the trials could also give the defendants a soapbox to incite others.

Havnt seen any of you discuss this part. I'm talking about what we call in Holland Hoor en Wederhoor, wich means hear both sides. Is that what its about? Military or Federal? Do you guys agree?
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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #12 on: 24-02-2010, 16:02:21 »
The real question to ask is this: what classifies them as unlawful enemy combatants? Their status is what has this process all screwed up. This is also a subject I'm intimately familiar with and would make great fodder for live debate.  ;)

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #13 on: 24-02-2010, 16:02:59 »
Why give him the death penalty, thats just what he wants. Make him rot away in solitary confinment somewhere miserable.

Agreed.  Killing would just make them martyr's in the eyes of these fanatics.  Let them rot away.

Oh yeah, that is so true.

Last time Indonesia executed Amrozi, Imam Samudra and the gang... their bodies were welcomed by those fanatics as hero.

The military detained them for 8 years... but no still no significant intel?

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Re: 9/11 suspect to plead not guilty, argue attacks justified
« Reply #14 on: 24-02-2010, 17:02:26 »
put him in a room with the american national anthem playing 24/7, tattoo the stars and stripes on the back of his hands and on his face, through the cell window put a poster of the statue of liberty,... or the two towers (sick?) - let him only eat twinkies and cheeseburgers. And deny all media coverage of his existence whereabouts.
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