The crappy editor probably didn't make you an Info folder. Copy and paste one from another map and then edit the files to match your map's name. If you get stuck, I'll post an image.

So one team having a bunch of spawn points on a greyed flag and the other not isnt an advantage?  please.  Whenever one side had a bunch of squads that are working together they win big.  Doesnt matter the side.

Playing by yourself sucks.  Trying to play as a team when nobody else cares, sucks.  Give server admins the option to have mandatory squads.  Then let the players choose what server they want to play on.  I am betting the 100% Squad servers will be full more than the non ones.  I think squadplay makes for a better more fun game than running around by yourself.  Maybe with that option a few more people play the mod a bit more.


When one side is using squads and the other isnt, it is a big advantage.  It gives the squad side a better defense because they can spawn defenders into a gray flag.  It gives the squad side a better offense because they can roll their spawn point toward the enemy.  It really isnt that complicated.


RE: PR. WHo cares.  It isnt about the size of the map or mod or whatever.  Just playing in squads gives a different atmosphere.  I Hate this game w/o teamwork.  It sucks.  And teamwork w/o squads is minimal at best on a pubbie.  Bunch of headless chickens.

Give the server admins the option to do it easily, then see what wins.  If servers dont get filled with mandatory squads, then the option will go away, if the only servers that are filled are the mandatory ones, then you know what the players prefer.

Indeed, QFT!! I mean at this point, it's common knowledge why tournament are successful with full servers on Friday and Saturday.

it was a bit over the top, you would get 12 point for repairing a tank from 10% to 100%.

i m sure this will be back in the next version.

Yeah, and give points for removing enemy mines and s-mines. Reward the unselfish player that lays out to get killed to help his team. Perhaps 6 points for removing mines/s-mines and repairing tanks from 10% to 100% would be a fair reward.

Yes, and give points at a higher rate. Make it worth someones effort to risk getting killed to remove enemy tank mines, s-mines etc...Define to role of each solider class and you'll get better organization and teamwork alla PR.

Another good feature would be to divide a CP into different 'spawn areas' and let them choose themselves where to spawn. For example, if a CP has one spawn point in a bunker and two more throughout a house, you can choose if you want to spawn in the bunker or house.

Oh well, something to suggest to DICE come the next BF installment, I guess.

It can be done. All you have to do is assign a group # to spawn points at a given flag.

Before I express my opinions about the current state of the SL spawn system, just know that I desperately want to see FH2 reap the deserved rewards of the teams tremendous efforts with it's Normandy release. I want see dozens of full servers that exceed the teamwork and gameplay enjoyed by the PR community.

@ Slayer
The "average" casual pub player's comments or criticisms about FH2 is a moot point. They don't determine the direction or goals of the mod. However, the people that should have the most influence are the loyal fan base that consists mostly of the two communities (WaW & F|H), beta testers, a half dozen clans and a few dedicated pub players. These are the people that have been playing/pubbing the mod from the beginning and whose opinions matter the most in changing the SL spawn system.

For example, the PR team knows it's community real well and they have coded/altered gameplay to fit/accommodate the needs and wants of its core players. The FH2 team on the other hand remains divided as to what gameplay should resemble. But in the two communities, mappers  (WaW & F|H) have already implemented changes to encourage more tactical attacking and defending rather than the typical cheap "spawn bombing" tactics. Some maps have even removed the SL spawn completely! These changes in large part keep our community happy and keep them coming back every Saturday.

As a mapper I can find a ways to work around the FUBAR SL spawn system. I can increase flag zone radius's, "time to grey", "time to capture", kit limitations etc..., but the SL system is one universal issue, imo, that needs to change.


Again, the rally point system is the best alternative because it allows the SL to get involved in the fight, keep his squad together, as well as, lead his team. The rally point also places a greater value and responsibility for all sniper/recon soldiers.

  

Let me preface my comments by saying that I love FH2 and play for the WaW tournament that conducts organized and structured 11 hour battles with the use of Teamspeak. The tournament is the main reason I play FH2 because frankly pubbing is so disorganized that I become more frustrated than excited after a few rounds.

Okay, back on topic. Yes the BF2 SL spawn system sucks and this FUBAR system is further glorified by maps that encourage a free-for-all style at the expense of "real" teamwork and overall gameplay enjoyment. I use the word "real" teamwork because some peoples idea of teamwork is flooding a flag zone with 15+ soldiers running around like headless chickens shooting and grenading everything in sight.

So how can we improve our current situation....

Well, changing the BF2 SL spawn system isn't the singular solution to the problem and can't be made better without several other variables getting changed as well.

1. Control point radius's are too small with the "time to grey" and "time to capture" being too short. The result is disorganized squads and fractured gameplay that becomes a perpetual rat race to get into flag zones. It's been my experience that larger flag zones with longer capture times slows this non-stop sprint fest into a more tactical and teamwork orientated experience. This type of gameplay is more realistic and intense than the current one.

2. Remove spawn points at adjacent flags and implement the use APC as spawns.

3. At the moment the best solution to the SL dilemma is a variation of the PR team has developed. FH2 should use a variation of the PR model because it's the only system that I'm aware of that allows the SL to truly get into the action. All competitive players enjoy the thrill of battle and hate being faced with having to stay alive by disengaging and hiding from the action/enemy in order to be a consistent SL spawn for his squadmates.


My suggestions aren't brand new ideas. However, despite all suggestions from serious players involved with  beta testing and the loyal community members, all in an effort to make the reasons clear, the powers that be ultimately have the final word. Time will tell because once the thrill of the Normandy theater is over the server numbers will tell the truth.