I can´t wait for the fat guy from the German council of Muslims to appear on television a third time within a year telling me Islam is peace.
And he is right. The majority of Muslims don't do crap like this and you know that. These salafists from Daesh and related groups are idiots and have nothing to do with what most Muslims believe in.
Let´s say me and my family had a lot of bad experiences with Muslims. The most recent including a bunch of third generation immigrants walking up to my sister in the middle of the night asking "can we fuck you?" There is something about Islam, especially the role of the woman and much more. Not every Muslim is bad. But this religion has disproportionately immense problems to integrate into western society. But if you mention it, you will hit a wall. Islam isn´t peace. The people are good, but Islam itself seems to have huge problems with the modern world. Imo more so than other religions.
I restored this post.
@ Butcher: I understand you have had some bad experiences with some Muslims, but I don't see how that is related to these attacks at all. Not that I'm saying that harassing like you describe is OK, far from it, but it's by far not in the same league as terrorist attacks like happened today in Belgium.
Now you, or someone else might think like this: it is related, because it shows that Muslims are bad, one example is more extreme than the other, yes, but it shows the same aspect of Islam: disrespect for our culture.
Well, here is why imo that is wrong in different kinds of ways. First: generalisation. I replied to your first post because you suggested a generalisation, and in your second one (the restored one) you wrote it clearly. Second: Immigrants and terrorists =/= the same. If immigrants really would disrespect our culture, would you really believe that they are ready to live in teh middle of it for a prolonged period of time? Terrorists have stated time and again they disrespect western culture and that's why they want to blow us up. But that has nothing to do with
3rd generation immigrants, whose families must have been here for some 40 years already.
@ Ts and Butcher: like Christianity, Islam has undergoine several changes in the past, making it way more orthodox (especially in some of their subcurrents like salafism) than it was intended in the 7th century AD. Back then, Islam was more tolerant than christianity, which continued onto the 11th century, when the christians showed again and again in their crusades that they didn't keep their word and had no respect at all for their Islamic opponents, or for Islamic civilians for that matter (or Jews, who really had nothing to do with the whole thing to begin with). By that time, Islam had started to grow more orthodox already in Arabia, but not in Palestine or further to the west yet. However, like Islam itself, the more orthodox views spread all over the Arab world in teh centuries that followed, and became one of the more common ways to experience Islam. Now, this has not only to do with the
religion Islam, but also with the
Arab culture, which underwent similar changes. So some of the stuff which is usually described as "a part of Islam", like the treatment of women, is either 1) a part of Arab culture, or 2) a part of an orthodox subcurrent in Islam.
Islam will get over it eventually, but it will take more time. Compared to christianity, they are 6 centuries behind, so that is kind of logical. The emancipation of women worldwide, is what makes a lot of orthodox men really afraid. That's why they start to oppress the opposite sex more and more lately, because thy are trying to hold on to their traditional positions, which they see crumbling under their feet. This will die out eventually, as the emanicapation nof women is not stoppable in that aspect, and the older generation of orthodox people will be dead. The younger guys who are pro-orthodox will become a minority, as emancipation wil spread to Middle Eastern countries too, and while on one hand they blow themselves up and therefore diminish their numbers (like 0utlaw mentioned), on the other hand they will grow to see that this is not the future.
@ Zoo: nice and comprehensive, well written piece. Thanks.
