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Off-Topic => Gaming => Topic started by: THeTA0123 on 30-12-2011, 14:12:11
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My PC died after 6 years of loyal service. It being a budget machine, i only upgraded it once to 4 gigs of ram(wich ended up costing me 20 euro) and a new GFX (thank you Dnarag for this) 40 euro
I went back to the same store, because they give 2 years of warranty on everything and have great service
This is what i got=
MSI 870A-G54 Mainboard
AMD Athlon II x4 955
(Quad 3,2 Ghz - 8Mb Am3socket)
8 gigabyte of RAM
1 Terrabyte SATA HD 32MB buffer
NVidia GF GT 440 1GB
Windows 7
2 DVD drivers and one for burning DVDS
mouse, keyboard, sound card, so a complete PC in the end
This costed me 600 euro's.
So, is this decent? Because if i pay 80 euros more i can equip a Nvidia GF GTS 550 1GB but i dont really want high end performance.
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A bit expensive for the HW, but it could be worse. Are you getting the OS as an OEM for free from the store? ... Oh and kick the second Dvd Drive, DVD-Rs nowadays are stable and durable enough to ne used as a single Drive. Use the saved Money and buy a decend ATI6970.
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its included in the price. I know that it is a more expensiver store then others, but there warranty and service quality is excellent.
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aren't two years warrenty the legal minimum here in Europe?
Edited my Post above.
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Otherwise it's pretty much high end pc (well, at least it's better than mine and this is high end), but your graphics card sucks donkey balls.
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aren't two years warrenty the legal minimum here in Europe?
Edited my Post above.
Its depends, some say the warranty is only for manufacturer error and such
My power supply burned out. It wassent really manufacturer error, just bad luck. And i recieved a new one, free of charge
And should it break, it often fixed on the spot or in a few days. If i buy my PC in Aldi(very good PCS though) or mediamarkt, if something breaks i loose it for 2 weeks
@Ciu
If i pay 80 euro more, i can get a GTS 550 Nvidea. Not sure if it is a good one
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aren't two years warrenty the legal minimum here in Europe?
Edited my Post above.
Its depends, some say the warranty is only for manufacturer error and such
My power supply burned out. It wassent really manufacturer error, just bad luck. And i recieved a new one, free of charge
And should it break, it often fixed on the spot or in a few days. If i buy my PC in Aldi(very good PCS though) or mediamarkt, if something breaks i loose it for 2 weeks
@Ciu
If i pay 80 euro more, i can get a GTS 550 Nvidea. Not sure if it is a good one
dunno... i know that 560 is super and it's price is around 150-200 euros.
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Oh well, i will see how it performs. If it performs beyond expectations i can swap it back in and get a decent GFX
Graphics arent my concern. I always play with things like AA, Vsync and such switched off.
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You prefer to to play without AA? Maybe you should just stick to what you have now?
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You prefer to to play without AA? Maybe you should just stick to what you have now?
Cant because my PC died.
My previous PC could barely handle games like BF3. And that was on lowest
Currently playing on my mates reserve PC (At a staggering rent rate of 1 beer per week)
I never played games much for there graphics. As long as there is no lag, i am satisfied. My previous PC started to lag and lag more on many games. (wich might explain why one of the cores of my PC died)
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2 DVD drivers and one for burning DVDS
Are you sure one of them is not a Blu-Ray drive and the other DVD+/-RW drive? Because having an extra read-only DVD drive makes no sense at all. (That said, most BR drives have the ability to burn DVD's even if you can't burn BD-ROM with them, so it still does no make any frakking sense.) You can't even copy disc-to-disc other than audio CD's or unprotected data DVD's and you would have to do this quite a lot for two drives to be even remotely worth having.
Oh and kick the second Dvd Drive, DVD-Rs nowadays are stable and durable enough to ne used as a single Drive.
Case example: my old DVD burner (2005) burned well over 1000 discs without problems over five years while also working as the install/media watching drive. Finally, the ejection mechanism failed partially (you could only eject the tray if there was a disc in drive), though using a bent paper clip the tray could still be opened and the drive itself still worked just fine. But since new drives are less than 20€, I ended up replacing it.
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mistyped there, one is for Reading and one is for writing
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My current PC runs on Core2Duo and still uses 8600GT. Handles current FH2 with all sliders to the right easily.
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mistyped there, one is for Reading and one is for writing
That is how I understood it and it does not make sense.
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Buy an ATI Card of the 69xx gen and save bigtime on power and you even gain performance.
As has been said above kick the second DVD Drive.
Be sure they give you a 64bit Win7!
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why? they are adding it for free ;D
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because if you don't buy 64bit, your 8 gig of ram is useless because a 32 bit system can only use 4 gig of ram
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32bit will just use 3.3gb RAM.
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32bit will just use 3.3gb RAM.
And that includes (iirc) the memory on your GPU. Hence my most important job is to 'obtain' a copy of 64-bit Win 7. Then I can go about buying more RAM and a better GPU.
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I got 64 bit btw
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A GTS 550 is high end lol, you can turn AA on now... ;D
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i dont have 550, i have 440. I am gonna see if it sufficies, if not, swap it back in and get a 550
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The Nvidia GT440 is a bit outdated. Price is about 65€. It will be the first item you'll have to replace. With the 440 you are below minimum requirements for BF3. You might be able to play on lowest settings, but you will have no reserves for the future. My current video card is about 3 years now, but still faster than the 440. Considering that this will be a new PC and an investment in the future, the video card needs an upgrade.
The shop is also calculating the wattage. The 440 is only using about 56W. The required PSU for the complete system is about 430W. Your problem will be to find a videocard with such low consumption once you plan to replace it.
If you upgrade to a 550, you would also need at least a 480W PSU. That would be +90€ for the videocard and +10€ for a different PSU. Considering that the shop wants to sell what he got in stock, the shop owner won't like this. (You can test his reaction and proposed price)
The Radeon 6670 is as fast as the Nvidia GTX 550 but doesn't need a better PSU. 430W would be enough. It is also as cheap as the Nvidia 440. So, I'd buy a Radeon 6670. Considering that you buy an ATI processor anyway, I don't see the need for expensive but outdated Nvidia hardware.
Edit:// The suggested Radeon 6970 is about 300€. I guess that is not really an option.
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I can add things what i want to my PC
The current upgrades i can get
-Geforce GTS 550 (+ 80 euro)
-Geforce GTX 560 (130+ euro)
-Geforce GTX 570 (+ 295 euro)
Power supply is 500 watt. A 750 watt power supply is 50 euros extra. Keep in mind guys, PC and PC part prices in belgium are Higher then in other countries
Edit=Just called with PC store. for 40 euros more i installed a GTX 550 instead of GT 440. Ye i was already starting to doubt aswel
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When you have the money, just do it right the first time, will save a lot of fustration later on.
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I can add things what i want to my PC
The current upgrades i can get
-Geforce GTS 550 (+ 80 euro)
-Geforce GTX 560 (130+ euro)
-Geforce GTX 570 (+ 295 euro)
They don't like Radeon cards in that shop, do they? Or do they just wanna get rid of their huge Nvidia stock?
Besides, if you take the 550 and got a 500W Power supply, it is all fine then.
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Its a very good PC shop, but yeah..The boss is.....
Nvidia biased ;D
Btw does the ATI brand no longer exists?
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yeah it doesn't, now it's AMD Radeon
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Another PC store here in the neighbourhood always only sold ATI/radeon. Guess it is store preferences i guess
I always preferred AMD over intel. They say intel is better in performance in a few percent, i am not paying 100 euro for that. AMD has always satisfied me and always had PC's wich lasted for years!
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true, AMD was a perfect choice for my budget - didn't cost much and I can still manage to play BF3 on ultra (albeit on a lower res) with just one 6950 (1GB) and X6 Phenom II.
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What's a budget got to do with it?
AMD is simply better value for the money.
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AMD is simply better value for the money.
Signed.
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PC is ready
exept for the graphics card wich was out of stock and should be deliverd this week :( crikey
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What's a budget got to do with it?
AMD is simply better value for the money.
what I meant was that if I could afford spending hundreds of $$$ on my PC components then I could go for intel as it's supposedly better processors (I dunno I stick to AMD for the reason you stated but I supposed that top intel > top AMD processor, if I'm wrong then never mind)
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if i compared Intel to AMD in the store, i would have payed 50% more for like.......4% increase in performance on one type of graphic?
My AMD lasted 6 years with no problems. My mate's AMD lasted 8 years untill his PC was stolen(SO IT STILL RUNS I BET)
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new PC arrived, my god what a diffrence ;D
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well
despite the great performance increase i was starting to see some lagging on very large bf3 maps
i asked for 8 Gig of RAM
but when i checked it with dxdiag and task manager, it clearly says= 4096MB physical memory
Looking trough the ventilation duct, i can also clearly see only one part of RAM
And when i check the site's parts catalog, there is no 8GB of ram
I cant read it from this distance how much exact RAM it is
But i think they forgot to add "8 gig"
Origenally these PC's where built with 4 gig of ram but i requested 8 gig of ram
better make a phonecall tommorows
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If you want to know exactly what RAM you have, download CPU-Z: http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z/versions-history.html
Under the 'SPD' tab, it'll tell you what RAM is in each slot (if any).
If you only have one stick of RAM in there, part of the problem is it's not running in Dual channel mode.
Dual channel effectively doubles the speed of your RAM, e.g: 1333MHz RAM actually only runs at 667MHz.
If for some reason you can't get another 4GB stick, see if they'll swap the single 4GB for two 2GB.
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there ya go
just called PC store. They said it could be a mistake they indeed normally insert 2 x 4 Gigabyte.
Free of charge ofcourse they are gonna swap in a new one
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Sneaky guys, I wonder how many people they ripped off with that method.
The usual customer who gets his PC built at a shop, almost never looks at his system stats, nor opens up his case... >:(
I'd change shops if I were you. This is something that you just don't 'forget', when building a system for a customer.
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Nah they arent like that. I know the guys who work there.
I mean, when my Graphics card died out, they gave me one on warrenty......a better model then i had before
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Well they are legally required to do that and with the speed at which HW prices decay it's only logical that you'd get a better one. Nothing special there I'm afraid.
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^ Yup, when my friend's PC died he got a ton of new parts (a new Phenom II proc and ATI 5750 instead of his old 3850) because the guys in the repair shop fried his old parts when they tried to replace the motherboard... Lucky bastard...
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well
despite the great performance increase i was starting to see some lagging on very large bf3 maps
i asked for 8 Gig of RAM
but when i checked it with dxdiag and task manager, it clearly says= 4096MB physical memory
Looking trough the ventilation duct, i can also clearly see only one part of RAM
And when i check the site's parts catalog, there is no 8GB of ram
I cant read it from this distance how much exact RAM it is
But i think they forgot to add "8 gig"
Origenally these PC's where built with 4 gig of ram but i requested 8 gig of ram
better make a phonecall tommorows
4 GB ram is sufficient for BF3 if you are not running al kinds of crap stuff in the background while playing.
Which video card do you use.
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GF 550 GTX
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so ill abuse taos topic as I dont think we need a pc topic for every user here.
The day before yesterday my pc died- It went into standby and I couldnt start it anymore. nothing worked, and mouse light was off.
Also when starting it was just black - not even the mainboard screen nor bios ect showed up - I call it dead dead ^^
So I went to the shop and bought those:
CPU Amd FX 6100 Prozessor AMD FX-6100, 3,30GHz, 6-Core, S-AM3+, Boxed 139€
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http://www.ditech.at/artikel/MASM321/Mainboard_Socket-AM3Plus_ASUS_M5A99X_Evo_ATX.html 108€
and a new powersupply with 500W.
From the old pc I took my Readeon HD 6790 and my 3x2GB Ram.
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As the crashdown damaged my HDD too, it was pretty annyoing, and the new pc would not start - even with a working Hdd it didnt. Only solution was a clean new install of win7 on it. Now its rrunning good, but it took pretty long to get it all done - - - If you want to save some nervs dont do it ^^
What you think of the system?
here a pic of cpu-z
(http://www.abload.de/img/1orbaq.png)
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Fail on the proc, new technology but the older (and now probably cheaper) 6 core Thubans are actually superior to this FX of yours... Will probably take some time until new apps can take advantage of it...
Older programs will probably run worse than with your old processor... (BF 2 too, since it can only take advantage of 1 core)
Mobo seems nice though...
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my old one was a 2008 intel 2 core quad with 2,20hz each, so this one with 6, better 3 + 3 each with 3,30 should be better ^^ or?
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my old one was a 2008 intel 2 core quad with 2,20hz each, so this one with 6, better 3 + 3 each with 3,30 should be better ^^ or?
Probably so. 3,3 > 2,2 and there's a couple of processor generations inbetween. You would have to go all the way back to Athlon era when AMD processors were momentarily much faster than Intels when running on same clock frequency (the "3000+" my old PC had was really running at 2 GHz), but even so, newer processors usually offer more power even from a single core at same frequency (which means that "modern" 2 GHz processors would eat my old processor alive, it would be more like "1000+" nowadays).
Also, while BF2 won't support multiple threads, it means your device drivers, OS processes, firewall, antivirus, and whatever other programs you might have running can use the other cores/threads.
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my old one was a 2008 intel 2 core quad with 2,20hz each, so this one with 6, better 3 + 3 each with 3,30 should be better ^^ or?
Sorry thought you had a Phenom II or something before... Yeah it will eat the old intel... However it's still not that good of an investment... If I needed a new processor today I would go for an intel... Or the older AMD 6 core/quad core... Except if you run a lot of threaded apps. (which I presume you don't as most of them barely utilize 2 cores let alone 6.
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well, as I dont have any knowledge, and I asked the whats better the 140€ intel oder 140€ amd he said amd bla bla- I think for me it will do the job, most important for me is that it lives the next 3-4 years ^^
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Last week I bought an FX 4100.
Why? I needed a quad-core and none of the local PC shops had any decent Phenom II's in stock.
My Phenom II x2 555 BE couldn't keep up with BF3, even when OC'ed to almost 3.9GHz.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/f45c8fc22d5225954c6c731bac654ec8a844688bdfa9ac25793566140ba536714g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?thumb=5&quickkey=jy06mesydhabkh0)
From what I've read, you can easily squeeze 800-1000MHz more out of the 4100.
I set it to 4.4, but my mobo has shocking Vdroop (1.376 idle, 1.296 under load >:( ), so I had to bump up the voltage to make it stable.
Overall I'm happy with my baby Bulldozer, it does the job I bought it for, it's more power efficient, and it cost over 70 bucks less than the Phenom II 1090T I was looking at... :)
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Even with my new system FH2 loads as slow/fast as with my old system-
Is the HDD the one that is limiting the loading speed of FH??
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Oh yes, in BF2 terms it's all about RAM and HD speed, as that's where all the traffic is generated during map loading. The textures are shuffled from your HD to your RAM. Only HDs with 32MB Cache and 7200RPM or a SSD can help here.
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ok as I have enough ram that is not the problem - just the HDD seems to be it- well could be worse