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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: Gunnerz on 01-06-2012, 19:06:20
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Any chance we get to see this beast in a new update?
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It looks ugly but might be deadly ;D like it
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Any chance we get to see this beast in a new update?
Unlikely, but if so, it will be months if not years away...
So don't get your hopes up too much
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the question is=DO we need it?
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While I would definately like to see it ingame I doubt it will ever be included. The thing saw limited use in 44/45 (rather 45) with fewer than 90 units produced - and then just on the Western Front. It would be more appropriate for a defense of Germany map. During the Ardennes offensive they were in Saarbrücken/Germany in reserve. Shortly after the Ardennes Offensive most Jagdtigers were stationed further south in the Elsass (Unternehmen Nordwind). Then shit hit the fan and everything collapsed, some were used in the Ruhr-Poket if I´m not mistaken, where Carius commanded a small group of Jagdtigers.
So, no... I doubt we will see them. Definately not on any of the current maps.
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the question is=DO we need it?
probably not, we've got enough already to kill off every allied tank the devs throw at us, however, the russian tanks might prove to be a challenge
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While I would definately like to see it ingame I doubt it will ever be included. The thing saw limited use in 44/45 (rather 45) with fewer than 90 units produced - and then just on the Western Front. It would be more appropriate for a defense of Germany map. During the Ardennes offensive they were in Saarbrücken/Germany in reserve. Shortly after the Ardennes Offensive most Jagdtigers were stationed further south in the Elsass (Unternehmen Nordwind). Then shit hit the fan and everything collapsed, some were used in the Ruhr-Poket if I´m not mistaken, where Carius commanded a small group of Jagdtigers.
So, no... I doubt we will see them. Definately not on any of the current maps.
Jagdtigers were used on the late Eastern Front too, for example in the battle of Budapest and elsewhere in Hungary.
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Jagdtigers were used on the late Eastern Front too, for example in the battle of Budapest and elsewhere in Hungary.
No they were not, internet is a dangerous place to gain knownledge on these subjects :P
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While I would definately like to see it ingame I doubt it will ever be included. The thing saw limited use in 44/45 (rather 45) with fewer than 90 units produced - and then just on the Western Front. It would be more appropriate for a defense of Germany map. During the Ardennes offensive they were in Saarbrücken/Germany in reserve. Shortly after the Ardennes Offensive most Jagdtigers were stationed further south in the Elsass (Unternehmen Nordwind). Then shit hit the fan and everything collapsed, some were used in the Ruhr-Poket if I´m not mistaken, where Carius commanded a small group of Jagdtigers.
So, no... I doubt we will see them. Definately not on any of the current maps.
Jagdtigers were used on the late Eastern Front too, for example in the battle of Budapest and elsewhere in Hungary.
Panzerjäger-Abteilung 512 and 653 fought in the west.
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Jagdtigers were used on the late Eastern Front too, for example in the battle of Budapest and elsewhere in Hungary.
No they were not, internet is a dangerous place to gain knownledge on these subjects :P
Then tell me your source. ::) Parts of the sPzJägAbt 512 could have fought in Hungary aswell. I cant find a source to prove this as is cant find a source to disqualify it. I guess the Reich`s administration in late 1944/45 wasn`t the best anymore.
Edit: (From German panzer webside)
Ein gewisser Oberfeldwebel Heinz Grein wurde von Scherf im Januar 1945 abkommandiert zum Niebelungenwerk. Er sollte halt die Produktion der JT beobachten.
Er übernahm am 29.04.1945 mindestens 9 JT und zog gegen die Russen bei Prinzersdorf.
Er war der 6.SS-PzA unterstellt.
In english:
In January 1945, Staff Sergeant Heinz Grein was assigned by Scherf to the Nibelungenwerk. On April 29th 1945 he took at least 9 Jagdtigers and fought against the soviets near Prinzersdorf. He was subordinated to the 6th SS-Panzerabteilung.
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It looks like a motor home with an 88 sticking out of it O_O its a monster...
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It looks like a motor home with an 88 sticking out of it O_O its a monster...
Its no 88 its a 128 mm Pak 44 ;D
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only 65 of the 88 jagdtigers saw the front line. 15 where equipped with the 88mm L71 but had no sights and where not used.
Then devide them up to 2 fronts.......
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Jagdtigers were used on the late Eastern Front too, for example in the battle of Budapest and elsewhere in Hungary.
No they were not, internet is a dangerous place to gain knownledge on these subjects :P
Then tell me your source. ::) Parts of the sPzJägAbt 512 could have fought in Hungary aswell. I cant find a source to prove this as is cant find a source to disqualify it. I guess the Reich`s administration in late 1944/45 wasn`t the best anymore.
Edit: (From German panzer webside)
Ein gewisser Oberfeldwebel Heinz Grein wurde von Scherf im Januar 1945 abkommandiert zum Niebelungenwerk. Er sollte halt die Produktion der JT beobachten.
Er übernahm am 29.04.1945 mindestens 9 JT und zog gegen die Russen bei Prinzersdorf.
Er war der 6.SS-PzA unterstellt.
In english:
In January 1945, Staff Sergeant Heinz Grein was assigned by Scherf to the Nibelungenwerk. On April 29th 1945 he took at least 9 Jagdtigers and fought against the soviets near Prinzersdorf. He was subordinated to the 6th SS-Panzerabteilung.
When 512 and 653 got their Jagdtiger, they were sent to the western front. The other abteilung ended up in the Ruhr pocket, the other was n Austria when the war ended. [Lexikon der Wehrmacht]
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WANT.
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The Jagdtiger is so damn sexy, but there is unfortunately no reason to put this into FH2. Got enough powerful German tanks and lack maps where it fits into historically. Furthermore the latest maps are quite small compared to the Africa maps. That beast does not feel right on small maps with short to midrange tank combat.
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Brilliant tank, Slower than KT, doesn't have turret, slower reloading cannon, and its a lot easier to hit.
Until it gets to fight sloped armor IS-2s, its useless.
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I'd recommend suggesting a fictitious map to see such a thing.
Hell, perhaps we might even get a Maus - or Ratte.
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I'd recommend suggesting a fictitious map to see such a thing.
Hell, perhaps we might even get a Maus - or Ratte.
I can't believe that you really posted this, djinn
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Why?
Looking at the use of the Jagdtiger, you might as well request the map for it as fictitious because it had such limited use.
Where did I err?
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The JagdTiger is the most beautiful thing the Germans produced!
It was love on first sight!
Definetly would like to see one in FH, those monsters were inpenetrable from the front and the 128mm PaK could devastate any allied tank with one shot.
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How about a trade with FHSW? You get their JT + 4(?) textures and let them incorporate FHSW into FH1 as a stand-alone mod for reduced map loading time? Ha win win! ;D :P
It's a very high poly model and defintely more detailed than the current, from FH1 imported, KT for example.
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I'd recommend suggesting a fictitious map to see such a thing.
Hell, perhaps we might even get a Maus - or Ratte.
A map where the ingame pershing could be used? ;D
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Why?
Where did I err?
C'mon Djinn, you said the M-word!
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Brilliant tank, Slower than KT, doesn't have turret, slower reloading cannon, and its a lot easier to hit.
Until it gets to fight sloped armor IS-2s, its useless.
Actually, the 128mm had lower penetration than the long 88mm of the Pak43 and KT.
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Brilliant tank, Slower than KT, doesn't have turret, slower reloading cannon, and its a lot easier to hit.
Until it gets to fight sloped armor IS-2s, its useless.
Actually, the 128mm had lower penetration than the long 88mm of the Pak43 and KT.
Haven't we been over this 128mm penetration discussion before? I seem to remember something similar a long while ago.
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We probably have. :P
As for Jagdtiger, I wouldn't count it out entirely, but it would need to be on a map of a battle it was at, and currently, there are none.
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And it will probably take a looooooooong time before we get one, first US in NA, Foy and the Russian Front
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Im just saying, Lump this baby in with the sweets.
Jagdtiger, Calliope, Comet, V1, destructible V2 objective, Mau... you get the point.
SECRET NAZI BASE!
I actually see that as more likely than waiting for a map for the Jagdtiger.
Otherwise, every vehicle ever used deserves right to have a map specifically made to showcase iit.
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MAXIMUM POWER!!! BOoMMM!!!
(http://cs9615.userapi.com/u16732840/115218128/y_96b2f928.jpg)
I have long wanted to offer it to developers. :-*
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wow, great model :D
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:o Wow ! Ok, changing my opinion. I want it now =D
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The great mass fought in the West, a small part fought on the Eastern Front, at least in Sternburg/Austria around 5th May 45. This included the Red Army to capture at least 2 intact, which where taken to trials.
We have pics of these Trials, the JT was left in its finnish, markings.
There are a (Henschel) of an unidentified unit and one (Henschel) of 501. sSSPzAbt. The last was used in Gun Trials 1946 in Russia and is now on display in the Kubinka Tank museum.
Information according Kubinka Museum Archives, as I visited once myself.
Hungary and Poland are myths, needs to be proven if they were in combat there. Records and archives also lack information in this point, only indicating personnel movement.
This myth started by people thinking about unit re-groupings from or to schwere Pz. Heeresabteilungen.
If people think a JT can pop-up in everywhere.
Well back to topic, not call the Jagdtiger one the most prominent actors in FH 1, at least for me it was the
reason to play Sector 318 and the other Maps, having a lot of fun. Would be really awesome to see this Tank in FH2 too, sometime. Oh the good ol days.
Useful or limited in use in R/L?, well it's about a game and fun, Jagdtiger means definitely fun in the late war scenario. Give the Shermans a nut to crack (food) and a good Map, where we can have fun with this useless Toy ahem. Tank.
How a good looking tank can catch attraction
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I have long wanted to offer it to developers. :-*
Dude, you should contact with fhsw guys not fh2 dev team. :-*
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no fhsw devs should join fh2 already :P
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...with ready pacific front for FH2 :D
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As a die-hard FHSW guy I need to ask why the big mod should join the tiny mod.
try getting onto an FHSW server, it's full 7 days a week at the scheduled time and Umeboshi place.
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I used to play FHSW a lot and to this day I am up to date with all their patches so I'm really now what I'm talking about. There is only one full server in japan and almost dead FHSW community in Europe, what means that FH2 has bigger player base. Also, don't forget that FHSW is based on original FH and its mappacks, a lot of maps (making those is the most time consuming part) is taken from FH with slight and often easy changes. Most (but not all) of their own maps and models are worse in quality than original FH1 and FHSW doesn't give many new gameplay solutions. Btw FHSW is longer in developement and Battlefield1942 gives more possibilities (like naval warfare) as it is less limited than BF2.
With speed of FHSW's developement, calling FH2 tiny is simply stupid.
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MAXIMUM POWER!!! BOoMMM!!!
(http://cs9615.userapi.com/u16732840/115218128/y_96b2f928.jpg)
I have long wanted to offer it to developers. :-*
Hey, that's the model from FHSW. Did you import it? :)
(http://i.imgur.com/5GN2H.jpg)
I used to play FHSW a lot and to this day I am up to date with all their patches so I'm really now what I'm talking about. There is only one full server in japan and almost dead FHSW community in Europe, what means that FH2 has bigger player base. Also, don't forget that FHSW is based on original FH and its mappacks, a lot of maps (making those is the most time consuming part) is taken from FH with slight and often easy changes. Most (but not all) of their own maps and models are worse in quality than original FH1 and FHSW doesn't give many new gameplay solutions. Btw FHSW is longer in developement and Battlefield1942 gives more possibilities (like naval warfare) as it is less limited than BF2.
With speed of FHSW's developement, calling FH2 tiny is simply stupid.
Yeah, the quality of maps is really varying, some look nice others horrible. But a lot of them are really unique gameplay wise (Kure, Kikusui maps, Warsaw, Iwo, Operation Downfall maps...) which, along with the vehicle variety, is the main reason I play this mod. As for the models I don't think that the majority looks worse or less detailed than FH1 vehicles, it's at the same level imo.
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FHSW is a nice mod on a mod. They have indeed some nice game play elements that were however already all in bf1942 and in FH1. I like however the pacific objective maps.
Comparing it is however rather ridiculous.
Back to topic: The Jagdtiger is currently not needed and as you can see in the description of the FHSW model it's anyway based on our model. If we do a Jagdtiger we take our FH2 Kingtiger as base... which is on that model obviously the harder part (which however is how the above Jagdtiger was done :P ) :)
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Making the Jagdtiger is not that hard. You just remove the turret from the King Tiger and make a castmate with the Pak 44.
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Good to know. Maybe a modeller can do this on his coffee break then.
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Yep, if the Jagdtiger ever makes it ingame, I will have fun wrecking Shermans, unless some sneaky American sabotages it or one of my teamates takes it ;D
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Making the Jagdtiger is not that hard. You just remove the turret from the King Tiger and make a castmate with the Pak 44.
I guess you based your opinion on your long 3D modeling experience, right? ::)
Putting your absolute lack of realism on a side, because you obviously have no clue what are you talking about, please tell me, which FH2 map can feature this tank in your opinion? Or maybe somebody should create both, a map and a model, since it's so easy? Darn, such a shame nobody ever thought about it before :-\
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Well, the Rhur where Otto Carius served. Also the Eastern front in Hungary, but there remains debate if the Jagdtiger was used there. But a piece of good evidence shows the truth. Jagdtiger, serial number 305083 was acquired by Soviet forces when a Kampfgruppe of the s.Pz.Jg.Abt 653 equipped with four Jagdtigers surrendered in Amstetten, Austria on 5 May 1945. This Jagdtiger was acquired in mint condition with complete side skirts and later nine-tooth sprocket ring. Twelve hooks on each side of the superstructure were used to carry six pairs of track links. This vehicle was not coated with Zimmerit. The vehicle lost all its tools but retains the MG-42 anti-aircraft mount on the rear engine deck. The Jagdtiger was made on the Tiger chassis, so if we remove the turret from the model, and make a castmate, as that was the production methods, but only the hulls were made.
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He's talking about an existing FH2 map. We don't currently have one that we could but a Jagdtiger on and making a map is a huge undertaking that usually takes months/ years.
So realistically, we'd need that map to be made before thinking about modeling something so unique.
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Jagdtigers were used on the late Eastern Front too, for example in the battle of Budapest and elsewhere in Hungary.
No they were not, internet is a dangerous place to gain knownledge on these subjects :P
Check the Kubinka Tank Musem in Russia. Why do they have an intact Jagdtiger?
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Check the Kubinka Tank Musem in Russia. Why do they have an intact Jagdtiger?
For the exact same reason why the Bovington Tank museum has a Finnish Sturmgeschutz III even thought they never fought against the british?
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Check the Kubinka Tank Musem in Russia. Why do they have an intact Jagdtiger?
For the exact same reason why the Bovington Tank museum has a Finnish Sturmgeschutz III even thought they never fought against the british?
Well maybe it was acquired from German storage facilities, as the Kv-1B was probably a captured one from Germans. It is quite confusing.
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Absolutely off topic here, but for the sake of Axis projectile delivery overkill, how about some Gustav action on a late EF map? Just to get a few "f*ck this spot in particular" shots in before its barrel blows.
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Absolutely off topic here, but for the sake of Axis projectile delivery overkill, how about some Gustav action on a late EF map? Just to get a few "f*ck this spot in particular" shots in before its barrel blows.
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg)
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Now, now, FHMax, isn't that a bit ironic that of all people, you post this image as a reply?
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Now, now, FHMax, isn't that a bit ironic that of all people, you post this image as a reply?
Exactly ;D
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Ah, OK. Then you need to practice sarcasm more.
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Slayer is the master of sarcasm. He was born and bred by it. The fields of sarcasm jokes was a battle he came out unscathed.
Fhmax, you need alot of practice before you make that sarcasm work, boychik
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Slayer is the master of sarcasm. He was born and bred by it. The fields of sarcasm jokes was a battle he came out unscathed.
Fhmax, you need alot of practice before you make that sarcasm work, boychik
Who is Fhmax? I only know a person by the name of FHMax3. ??? ??? ???
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Seems like a lock is in order if you guys start irrelevant jibbajabba. This thread has served its purpose and doesnt have to become a cesspool.