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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: azreal on 04-12-2011, 19:12:14
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We are back after a week of absence with another update, coming at 19:00 GMT.
Sun-Dried Generals
Enjoy!
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/
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Ooh I see what you did there!
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Niceeely done.
I know what it is too :3
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Sherman and Lee in desert camo?
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Aw come on, you guys are making it too easy :P
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Perfect timing waking up and showering and picking up the computer a minute ago. Who says sleeping in makes you miss important things?
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...and we have a site crash ;D
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Waaaaa what did I do wrong? Why am I forbidden? :,(
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Sherman and Lee in desert camo?
D'oh, Sherman and Stuart.
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Oh here it is. Good job on the skins, I like them. :) Also, cast hull Shermans are the sexiest.
What Sherman model had the single piece transmission cover?
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For 2 weeks, skin was pulled on tanks. lol :P
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Totally forgot to mention in today's post that chad509 has joined the development team as our newest addition to the animation department.
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Nice vehicles,
but could you update the homepage with all the new vehicles and weapons to represent the latest build...
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Totally forgot to mention in today's post that chad509 has joined the development team as our newest addition to the animation department.
Ni-ice.
A big Welcome to Chad509! Looking forward to seeing your work ingame :)
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Oh good, another tommy cooker to fry, and a fly called Stuart :P Easy meals.
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That green-yellow scheme is so bad ass. Pity they didn't keep it. :-(
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Great looking skins! A big welcome to Chad509! :)
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Nice looking tanks ... but they looks little to clean 8) . A bit of dust and dirt here or there ? ;)
Cant wait for M3 Lee . Maybe in that skin ?
http://bountyjumper.blogspot.com/2009/03/lulubelle-m3-medium-tank-study.html ;D
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LOOK MOM I'M ON THE NEWS!!
For a second i though i entered the wrong site, they looked like CoH tanks to me due to those markings!
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Nice looking tanks ... but they looks little to clean 8) . A bit of dust and dirt here or there ? ;)
Cant wait for M3 Lee . Maybe in that skin ?
http://bountyjumper.blogspot.com/2009/03/lulubelle-m3-medium-tank-study.html ;D
You mean black & white skin?
(http://multiply.com/mu/andypertamax/image/1/photos/upload/300x300/ThiwvQooCsoAAEQJvwE1/trollface-small-normal2pl7-1.png?et=GrcHeAkywwBzgE0edBv%2BsQ&nmid=0)
On a serious note: adding some dust on them would be nice, also I would love the Lulubelle caption :D
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Getting the Lee would be sweet, but then we would need the original turret.
But then again, we would only need a new skin. A wrong turret is no problem, as can be seen from the KT in Goodwood.
(http://multiply.com/mu/andypertamax/image/1/photos/upload/300x300/ThiwvQooCsoAAEQJvwE1/trollface-small-normal2pl7-1.png?et=GrcHeAkywwBzgE0edBv%2BsQ&nmid=0)
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INB4 "no Lees in Africa", 2nd Battallion, 13th Armoured Regiment, 1st Armoured Division fought with Lees from start of the Torch campaign (other tank battallions in 1st AD converted to Sherman before deploying to front line). Even the 2/13th had halfway converted to Shermans when Kasserine hit the fan. Afterwards, there were not enough Shermans on theatre or on the way to cover the losses, so they were replenished with Lees instead - 2/13th and 3/13th in practice "downgrading" to Lees, plus other battallions also getting some. Plus then there was the 751st Tank Battallion, attached to the 34th ID (which only saw limited action from April 43 onwards).
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INB4 "no Lees in Africa", 2nd Battallion, 13th Armoured Regiment, 1st Armoured Division fought with Lees from start of the Torch campaign (other tank battallions in 1st AD converted to Sherman before deploying to front line). Even the 2/13th had halfway converted to Shermans when Kasserine hit the fan. Afterwards, there were not enough Shermans on theatre or on the way to cover the losses, so they were replenished with Lees instead - 2/13th and 3/13th in practice "downgrading" to Lees, plus other battallions also getting some. Plus then there was the 751st Tank Battallion, attached to the 34th ID (which only saw limited action from April 43 onwards).
It would be quite interesting if Americans start the map with Shermans but spawn mostly Lees after a certain number of flags have been capped. Effectively the opposite of the Tiger spawning on Tunis when things get dire...
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Guys there is no EXCUSE=WE MUST HAVE THE LEE
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Guys there is no EXCUSE=WE MUST HAVE THE LEE
Don't you think you have enough allied tanks now?
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Guys there is no EXCUSE=WE MUST HAVE THE LEE
Don't you think you have enough allied tanks now?
nice trolling ;D
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Guys there is no EXCUSE=WE MUST HAVE THE LEE
With cupola view for the turret! and seat for cupola machinegun! and M5 37mm cannon!
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It would be quite interesting if Americans start the map with Shermans but spawn mostly Lees after a certain number of flags have been capped.
Where is the "Like" button when you need one?
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i mean common guys, how awesome is this?
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7209/m3a4lee.jpg)
A TURRET
ON A TURRET
ON A HULL!
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A TURRET
ON A TURRET
ON A HULL!
We must go deeper.
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That reminds me to...
(http://armor.kiev.ua/humor/txt/lee.jpg)
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well, if it requires only some easy reworking of grant it would be already added but it isn't so easy as it looks and I think we need completely new model for Lee. I'm afraid that there won't be any as there were shermans already in use in NA and we have them already in game. Also devs are mostly concerned on the eastern front now (what we could see in previous news) :-[
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But... but... Lee can also be used on the Eastern Front! And the Britons also got some of them!
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A TURRET
ON A TURRET
ON A HULL!
this reminds me something....
(http://imagecache.blastro.com/images/feat/Lastfm_Xzibit.jpg)
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It would be quite interesting if Americans start the map with Shermans but spawn mostly Lees after a certain number of flags have been capped. Effectively the opposite of the Tiger spawning on Tunis when things get dire...
Wait, what? There's a Tiger on Tunis now?
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We must go deeper.
That's what she said....
Sorry just had to
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For a second i though i entered the wrong site, they looked like CoH tanks to me due to those markings!
My first thoughts too...
Now I know, where Relic got this idea...
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We must go deeper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w&t=2m5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w&t=2m5s)
DEEEEPAAH!!!
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It would be quite interesting if Americans start the map with Shermans but spawn mostly Lees after a certain number of flags have been capped. Effectively the opposite of the Tiger spawning on Tunis when things get dire...
Wait, what? There's a Tiger on Tunis now?
>_< Mareth Line. Sorry.
A TURRET
ON A TURRET
ON A HULL!
We must go deeper.
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/Ghanrage/m3a4leeextend.jpg)
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Awesome pic, Kraetzer ;D
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Was there any difference in the hull from the Grant? I mean, besides the Turret.
Which begs the question,
besides the turret on the Early Tiger II was there any difference in Hulls?
Cuz that seems like it should be an easy mod...
Sure will love to see those tanks in Fh2. But frankly, it would pretty much be a Grant with all the flaws....
I think its the propaganda of movies like Sahara that is making me ache for that tank so much.
Couldn't care too much about the Tiger II_early. That thing had a fugly turret anyhow.
oh and how cool is the name of the thread?!
"Sun-Dried Generals"
Good one, Azreal!
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The diffrence in the lees was only the turret, same goes for Early production tigers and late production tigers
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Was there any difference in the hull from the Grant? I mean, besides the Turret.
Good one, Azreal!
Grant had thicker armour IIRC.
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But why would the Americans do that? Give the Brits the better tank?
That cant be smart...
but OT, sorry. I wonder if the yellow star and bars make those tanks easier or harder to see.
I imagine a map like Kasserine for them, meaning it wont matter that they are so... I dunno...
green?
Again, America? Is that smart?
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But why would the Americans do that? Give the Brits the better tank?
That cant be smart...
but OT, sorry. I wonder if the yellow star and bars make those tanks easier or harder to see.
I imagine a map like Kasserine for them, meaning it wont matter that they are so... I dunno...
green?
Again, America? Is that smart?
The British were the ones who ordered the modifications, and designed the new turret. Also the Sherman was coming into the field to replace the Lee by 1943, so it didn't matter too much to the Americans.
And Tunisia is greener than you think. For instance, here's a photo of the mountains of Tunisia:
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs8/i/2005/309/d/8/Tunisia_Mountains_by_yarazz.jpg)
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also keep in mind that those tanks dont stay green with all the dirt. the green colour and the sand fit good into the bush/sand mix the landscape has. actually its rather good camo:
(http://www.americainwwii.com/images/facingthefoxshermans.jpg)
*edit: which brings us back to dirty tanks! :P
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hmm that is something the texturerer didnt think of obviosuly :( no offense ofcourse.
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Grant had thicker armour IIRC.
Ummm... IIRC the Lee hull was also uparmoured (to the British requirements) compared to the prototype, meaning that the turret was the only visible difference?
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Grant had thicker armour IIRC.
Ummm... IIRC the Lee hull was also uparmoured (to the British requirements) compared to the prototype, meaning that the turret was the only visible difference?
yep The Lee prototype was first made. The british inspected it, gave some redisgn details and=
-Thicker armour
-Redesigned radio location, eliminating a special trained radio operator(thus one man less required to man the tank)
-The british in turn designed a new turret and bustle to house the no 19 wireless radio. This is where the americans did not followed, they sticked to the origenal Lee turret. However the turret of the grant was better armoured then the turret of the lee.
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Nice! We are having moar Americans.
Let's not forget air maps.
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First thing they reminded me of when I saw these tanks was well painted airfix models.
Managed to get 2.4 going after an absence. Coop is actually better without commander artillery with the 1.5 patch. I can fart around as much as I want without getting totally plastered ... well apart from mortars. Now back to my AI smoke screen. Just have to work out a way to test it.
Thanks for still being here FH team and players !
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haha! Only been around since 2003... Some of us 2005 actually. Glad we didn't disappoint
Waiting anxiously for your work, DJ. Take COOP to a whole new level for us SPers ;)
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And now the US get to be slaughtered in North Africa, now cooked by the sun instead of their tanks.
On the bright side, this'll be awesome. Kasserine Pass! *man squee*
And balanced tank combat. I always found Panzer IVs and Shermans pretty balanced in the Normandy front so..
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And now the US get to be slaughtered in North Africa, now cooked by the sun instead of their tanks.
On the bright side, this'll be awesome. Kasserine Pass! *man squee*
Man i hope they send YOU to the front someday. And brush up that attitude
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I have no doubt M3 Lee will be in the next patch (i'm pretty optimistic). Some M3 Halftrack variants is what USA needs in NA imo. I dont know if that would require too much work...
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Half track with 57mm or 75mm could be a cool thing to add or the Willys with the 37mm gun :O
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Waiting anxiously for your work, DJ. Take COOP to a whole new level for us SPers ;)
I hope so. 2.4 is much improved as it is for coop/sp. Thanks to all those FH coder devs working till early in the morning in smokey rooms ;)
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Splendid update as always. 8) Many thanks.
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The ULTIMATE NECRO-BUMP
Sorry but I didn't know where else to post this and not really sure in what context I wanted to post it in :P If nobody really wants to necro bump this thread I can post it in another thread like general questions or something but this one seemed appropriate. (and I didn't want to start a new thread for something that just turned out to be a random thought that needed some clarity)
So after watching Zero Dark Thirty (I make a point to watch all Academy Award Winning Movies and don't want to start an argument about how awesome/shitty it is here) I wondered why in most scenes the American Flag on the uniforms was facing the wrong way (because I'm an uneducated military geek wanna-be :P).
e.g. (http://blog.flagladygifts.com/Portals/22017/images/3245576-flag-patch-on-the-sleeve-of-an-army-soldier-that-has-just-returned-from-the-iraq-war.jpg)
After a quick google search I came across this.
Army Regulation 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia, is the governing authority for the wear of Army uniforms. Paragraph 28-18 governs the wear of the United States Flag on Army Uniforms.
The flag may only be worn on the utility and organizational uniforms (such as the camouflage BDU). The flag may only be worn during joint-duty and multinational deployments. When the servicemember returns to home station, the flag must be removed. (Guide Note: A message went out in February 2004 changing this restriction, and making the U.S. Flag a mandatory uniform componant for all soldiers, effective October 1, 2005).
Chapter 1, Title 4, United States Code, provides for the design of the U.S. flag and specifies the colors as red, white, and blue. Colors other than red, white, and blue violate the U.S. Code; therefore, subdued-colored flags are not authorized for wear. Joint commanders have to make the decision as to whether or not the wear of a full-color flag, for morale purposes, is more important than having all aspects of the uniform camouflaged.
When approved for wear, the full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is sewn 1/2 inch below the right shoulder seam of the temperate, hot-weather, enhanced hot-weather, and desert BDU; the BDU field jacket; and the cold-weather uniform. The flag is worn on the right shoulder, because, in the military, the "place of honor" is to a military member's right.
The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward.
The rule dates back to the Army's early history, when both mounted cavalry and infantry units would designate a standard bearer, who carried the Colors into battle. As he charged, his forward momentum caused the flag to stream back. Since the Stars and Stripes are mounted with the canton closest to the pole, that section stayed to the right, while the stripes flew to the left.
http://www.marlowwhite.com/faq/f-why-is-the-flag-patch-reversed.html (http://www.marlowwhite.com/faq/f-why-is-the-flag-patch-reversed.html)
Seems legit, and it's pretty interesting to a skinner who's into military uniforms, markings etc like me. Essentially the rule states that the stars should always be in a place of honor, and that place on a moving object, be it person or vehicle, is the upper right side of the flag when its being worn on the right side.
I then obviously went to my first historical military uniform (and church) simulator, FH2 ;D to see if American Flags were displayed this way in their game.
The only vehicle currently plastered with an American Flag ingame is the M3A1 on Sidi Bou Zid
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/imagesfh2/vehicles/M3A1%20Stuart/big.jpg)
And as you can see it looks as if this post is the troll of troll suggestions ;D to have PointBlank go back and change his skin for one minor inaccuracy. But that's not what I'm trying to do :P
Instead I wanted to post this here because ik that this forum is teaming with WW2 historians who could tell me for real if this rule was practiced in WW2 or not (although it seems to have been around since 1776, or earlier)
Now alot of things can factor into how these things actually looked IRL, proper decals not being available, (although for Operation Torch I'm assuming they were all new) inability of units to put them on properly, etc..
Also I want to drive home the point that I'm in no way suggesting that this be changed immediately because it destroys my immersion and FH2 is a lie because of it [/rage]
I just found it to be a very interesting fact and a small possible oversight that could be discussed and clarified here. (and possibly resolved later if PointBlank still has the .psd and time to make such a small change)
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Doesn't seem like that flag should even be there on the right side of the tank. The majority of all photos I've seen of the Stuart only have it on the left side, but most painted models of the Stuart do have it on the right side. Having it on the right side of the tank seems completely optional, considering that there are roundels of the front back and side, with US flag already on the left.