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Forgotten Hope 2 => Suggestions => Topic started by: [WaW] torex on 09-09-2010, 13:09:30
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Hi lads,
recently I saw A Bridge Too Far and I can remember so much hours of playing the bf42 market garden map and - of course - the fantastic fh1 arnhem map.
Well, I am happy with the 3 new maps in 2.3, but can a normandy theme have no market garden map? I dont think so. may be this operation is generally overrated in the flow of the allied war machine, but I was one of the greatest known operation in WW II.
Therefore my question and ask for the FH II Dev Team: Are you (still?) working for an Arnhem map?
(I know that this question was asked many times before, but I feel that the Normandy theme is slowly "covered" by two major updates and I think the next great update will focus some other theaters like eastfront or pacific, so it would be nice to have an actual feedback ;) )
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If I'd be straightforward, I'd say nope.
But Im gonna be puzzling this time and say who knows, maybe, maybe not.
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Speaking about Arnhem, what happened to donutz his project?
I for one liked the map in FH1, and would not mind seeing a similar map soon again.
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Also, Operation Market Garden wasnt about Normandy invasion.
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Also, Operation Market Garden wasnt about Normandy invasion.
You are right, but market garden was the aftermath of the Normandy invasion and I dont think that the FH Team will give us an extra patch just for 3 bridges ;) So I think it would be topically best fit in addition to the Normandy theme due the great connection.
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Battle of Brest was already pulling the limit since Brest is located in Brittany, not in Normandy. But it was excused due to reason that the battle was part of an operation that was initiated in Normandy. Operation Market Garden however was nothing about normandy or france entire.
But I agree that Arnhem from 0.7 was a fun map and I'd love to see it again in FH2, but only historically accurate like Donutz originally dreamed about. Seriously tho, I doubt OMG will get a dedicated version for it like Africa and Normandy did. If anything, it'll be like Olympus, Crete and Sfakia, they are fillers that are included just because someone wanted to make one and was capable with the tools and materials that are currently present.
Who knows.
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But I agree that Arnhem from 0.7 was a fun map and I'd love to see it again in FH2, but only historically accurate like Donutz originally dreamed about.
What do you mean with "historical accurate"?
No more 10 panzers VS a flock of infantery?or?
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He means having the correct layout for the city.
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Correctomundo Ts4.
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Si senors gracias
I do wonder how it will playout. I mean, how are a bunch of PIAT equipped force with maybe one or 2 6PDR's defend against such an armoured force.
In FH1 it was still somewhat possible because HE firepower wassent very big
But in FH2 this is way diffrent
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Personaly, this is how I would go about it: Mae it ahuge project, like fall of Tobruk back in the day. However, instead of using the map for one scenario, make different scenarios (like the "day 1 day2" maps of old). Every version would have different lighting and would be based on a different stage of battle (like Gräbners Charge, Kampfgruppe Tessau, the final mop up etc)
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Hm yes that would work. IIRC the first day the germans tried to cross the bridge with only APCS and light vehicles
Dint the panzers arrived the second day?
I just have been searching around, and i found that the germans need 2 vehicle's=Mobelwagen and StuH42. But then again, i can imagine the rapefest that will follow with it
Arnhem seems to be a challenge, but i would love to see the result ONE day.
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Clever placements of statics, such as wrecks which tunnel approaches, creates cover for infantry and makes every wreck a potential trap. But of course by using artistic liberties that allows you to maneuver more in cover, have places to shoot from and so on. And naturally, bleed is one of the main effects that will get people moving instead of sitting about. So if there is a tank sitting on the bridge, lopping HE at your teammates, all you have to do is sit and wait for the rat bastard to start moving in order to achieve even slight victory.
And naturally, one cant go overboard with vehicles. Need to loosen up a bit and only add necessary vehicles, or vehicles that spawn only under certain conditions. There are many ways to make it work. One is to give brits more PIATs. :P
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Maybe the map could play out as sidi rezegh of holland?
Brit inf vs Ger inf, when brits reach the bridge german armored reinforcements spawn in, and they counterattack.
My 0.02$
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Pickupkits around flags or other areas with engineer-mines equipment will also work.
Mines do not 1s1k german tanks IIRC, so when they hit one mine, they have to send out men or get out themself to get the road cleared.
In this progress making them huge lovely targets for PIATs ;)
AND i just now remebered THESE 2 babies!
The airborne used both the hawkins mine AS the gammon bomb!
Especialy the gammon bomb will be a MUST for the british airborne. Both wont be SUPER effective VS tanks though. But still a great addition to the rather small arsenal of weapons
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Remake of FH1 Arnheim for FH2: http://www.bfewaw.com/showthread.php?t=31307 (http://www.bfewaw.com/showthread.php?t=31307)
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Are you (still?) working for an Arnhem map?
no, and we never were. To be honest we haven't even discussed it. That map alone needs so many statics we could make a whole other theatre instead. :-\
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I once thought op. Market garden was the next theater, but yer, if Belgium it is, I wonder if Holland looks anything like that... Hmmm
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I once thought op. Market garden was the next theater, but yer, if Belgium it is, I wonder if Holland looks anything like that... Hmmm
Not really Belgium and Holland have distinct different house styles, hell there are even differences between east and west Belgium, Flanders and Walloon. Althought the modern houses after world war began looking more like each other.
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I mean more that we would need to create the bridge and many three/four storey houses that we dont need anywhere else except Arnhem.
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Some of the best maps already have that sort of thing, don't they?
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Yeah, fall of tobruk and Ramelle mostly.
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Different thing... for Arnhem we would need every single house to be made for that map alone... Ramelle is made out of 90% generic france statics. Tobruk has many statics we can re-use in other maps, only a few is for FoT alone.
So...we do the theatres we have decided to develop :)
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Dont bullshit us.
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Oh snap!
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Dont bullshit us.
Do my eyes/ears deceive me! Is Flippy on OUR side?
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Dont bullshit us.
ok, I speak honest instead: we dont feel like making arnhem because we have other things we'll rather do, happy?
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I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.......Please stop.
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Its ok sweetie, here, have some candy <holds up a ruffee>
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How can you deny a map who's acronym is OMG.
Plix max dix mip.
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Well, I think theaters like this can slip in between the cracks eventually...
Work on the major theaters and we naturally get reusable stuff we can use later on... like other built up areas in Holland, during OMG, and the paras which would work well in a Pegasus Bridge map...Or make it a personal project... like Omaha.,.. Just don't SIT ON IT forever, eventually that ship will sail and no matter how obvious it may seem, we wont ever be able to get that period back
But my final word on this? Arnheim, like Omaha, I feel, is a MUST DO eventually... Obscure battles are nice and all, but I think the big famous battles like El Alamein tie the whole mod together, and it worth caring about
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in my dreams i see the bridge and market garden.
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Is there gonna be a 2.4 version?
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Is there gonna be a 2.4 version?
Why not?
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i played the map now, and i must say: good work. but its not hard and a lot of work to makes this trees different, rotate, lower, and change the treesuncolor. imho the map need a new sky and a brighter atmo. for a fanmap nothing to add about statics, weapons and defending positions. nice map
(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/qygu38f9/screen040.jpg)
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But my final word on this? Arnheim, like Omaha, I feel, is a MUST DO eventually... Obscure battles are nice and all, but I think the big famous battles like El Alamein tie the whole mod together, and it worth caring about
Please, don't say Arnheim. It already sounds german enough as it is. ;-)
But I agree with you and not because I'm dutch and we don't have that much WWII history besides Market Garden. It's simply one of the key operations on the western front (sorry, I don't do "theatres") and it just belongs in FH. :)
And of course there's more to OMG than just Arnhem. There's Best, Eindhoven, Nijmegen, etc. so it might be worth making the new houses and stuff.
DISCLAIMER:
I would of course think nothing less of FH if it didn't happen, just saying... ;)
Fingers crossed!
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I think all of our mappers (including me) are tired of Normandy and the whole West Front at this point. We have bigger and better ambitions for now.
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We have bigger and better ambitions for now.
And we, the people, can only applaud this!
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It smell eastern front. :-\
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It smell eastern front. :-\
Hmmm, I smell the rotting odor of the Kokoda Trail. :D
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It smell eastern front. :-\
Hmmm, I smell the rotting odor of the Kokoda Trail. :D
I would love to, but, Everything I expect don't happen.
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It smell eastern front. :-\
That would be awesome!
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I, for one, even though Arnhem was in my top five favorite maps of FH1, would be much more excited to see naval battles in the mediterranean, the atlantic and the northern see, + battle of britain for FH2... After all, OMG is pretty much like normandy if we look at the gameplay...
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I, for one, even though Arnhem was in my top five favorite maps of FH1, would be much more excited to see naval battles in the mediterranean, the atlantic and the northern see, + battle of britain for FH2... After all, OMG is pretty much like normandy if we look at the gameplay...
Problem is, getting the ships to work ALONE will take 1-2 years
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So long ? Isn't there already two or three working naval vehicles ?
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there's more to it when it comes to naval warfare in bf2 than just models and maps.. it all sound so simple, but its not..
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Mkay ... Still, it would be worth it. :P
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Market Garden would rock period 8) I don't care much for the Bulge, wich we are led to believe is the next one. And you're going to have to make new Belgian, Oceanic or Russian buildings too, so that's the same for Market Garden.
I still believe it's a wonderful theatre to make and play, with lots of different gameplay options. Why do we have this juicy glider model still staring at us in the vehicles sections hmmm? ;) A good Arnhem map could become the Karkand of FH2. The custom map is nice and all, but the chance of getting worked into the mod are practicly zero.
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I don't understand the "need" for naval battles in Pacific. After all, it IS the infantry that counts on every single battle ever. So, IF Pacific is made, some jungle maps featuring, say, Guadalcanal with the capture of Henderson airfield and defence of it with easter egg rambo m1917 water-cooled .30 cals or British vs Japanese at Singapore and India.
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Well, then thank your boxershorts this thread is about Arnhem and not the freaking Pacific then, huh?
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I don't understand the "need" for naval battles in Pacific. After all, it IS the infantry that counts on every single battle ever.
What role did the infantry play during the Battle of Britain, or since we are talking about the Pacific, Coral Sea.
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I don't understand the "need" for naval battles in Pacific. After all, it IS the infantry that counts on every single battle ever.
What role did the infantry play during the Battle of Britain, or since we are talking about the Pacific, Coral Sea.
Point.
Only way to do it is with static carriers/airfields and lots of planes, and transports between carriers, and static AA guns on the carriers.
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at Singapore
now THAT would be an awesome map!!!
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I don't understand the "need" for naval battles in Pacific. After all, it IS the infantry that counts on every single battle ever.
What role did the infantry play during the Battle of Britain, or since we are talking about the Pacific, Coral Sea.
Point.
Only way to do it is with static carriers/airfields and lots of planes, and transports between carriers, and static AA guns on the carriers.
I'd think static carriers aren't really bad and it even allows different parts of the carrier to be damaged. Just make some insane series of explosion on the carrier when it was supposed to be destroyed.
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Gr-reat! Now can we get back to Arnhem?
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Gr-reat! Now can we get back to Arnhem?
Someone allready started from scratch, now we have to do it all over again :o
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=11471.0
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It would be very cool!
We need more maps , AND Factions , like in FH1!
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It would be very cool!
We need more maps , AND Factions , like in FH1!
Ok, lets go. Do it :)
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I think its less about 'ok, you do it' (tsk. we're just fans, duh! *jk*) than maybe, the devs might want to develop the game in layers.
I know fan-maps and beta testing them is a pain, but its a tragedy that the finest mod this side of Battlefield-anything will likely never see the glory of its predecessor
I too hate the over-simplicity of interpretation of famous battles by fan-mappers, and loath their inclusion @ the expense of the devs' real-to-life version.
That said, I think its possible to harness that amateur energy somehow to increase production while maintaining standard. We just need the right system.
As much as I know the odds are stacked against actually seeing Arnhem, Pegasus, omaha (yer, Lobo, y'heard me!), shit, Berlin!, I sure would hope a better system would be put in place.
Currently, we suffer from German over-engineering and never having enough of a good thing.
Sure, I don't want freaking Russian! But the foundation is firm, I could settle with American
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Exactly
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We need more maps
YES
AND Factions
NO!
;D ;D
the factions are in now, are enough for 60 maps
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Why not factions? The Russians can't be missed!
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Russian wasn't important, we need micronesia camel troop.
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It would be very cool!
We need more maps , AND Factions , like in FH1!
Dude, seriously, get a grip and calm the hell down. Everyone knows about the other armies and that there were other areas in WW2 than Normandy and Afrika. No one has forgotten them. Yelling and randomly crying about 'faction' isn't gonna create them magically. They will take years.
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YOU need to calm down... please... what a tone...
Well glad to know -.-
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Good. Glad that's settled.