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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #105 on: 11-08-2012, 21:08:23 »
Seems like shooting, sailing and javelin are the only events that Finland has any hope of getting medals.
Aaaand there we go. Silver from sailboarding.
Bronze from sailing and javelin.

0 golds, 1 silver, 2 bronzes. Pretty much what I expected. :P
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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #106 on: 11-08-2012, 22:08:12 »
Congrats Germany, the final match was exciting enough, with chances on both sides. Germany had the upper hand in the match a little more often, it wasn't a stolen victory or anything. There were phases in which Holland was better, but the phases in which Germany was better were more dangerous.

Glad that we got gold with the women and silver with the men, it shows that we have great hockeyteams. Also I have high hopes for the future, as this team was a new team with two old guys in it (De Nooijer and Weusthof). This new generation will show us more beautiful stuff I think, like in the match vs GB.

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #107 on: 11-08-2012, 23:08:50 »
Oh my god, such an awesome victory.

I really like some NL players like your goalkeeper, who did an awesome job btw. That Captain is slimy though. I don't like that penalty corner whore v.d. Weerden too ;D Ok enough hate against Holland.

You played very well. I heard an interview earlier today, where one of the German players (forgot who) said that the team wins that wants the victory more and I felt that Germany played with a bit more passion than Holland. It seemed like Holland just tried to get more penalty corners, but lacked the creativity a bit, while Rabante just saw the gap and did the first goal because he wanted to make it.

That a penalty corner goal for Holland is going to happen after 3 corner was obvious, well shot once again.

Second German goal was just stupid msitake by Hollands defender. Even I learned that you never just shoot the ball away, even under heavy pressue, safe it with your body or play it to the side as the opponent has less room to bring the ball back to the goal again.

Anyway, well played ball, to the post, especially the redirection half way was great, bringing the ball exactly to Rabantes stick.

I'm so happy for these guys, awesome final. Everyone in peakform right in time. Our coach won his 3th Olympic gold medal. 2004 with the women, 2008 & 2012 with the men. He's a great guy.

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #108 on: 12-08-2012, 05:08:17 »
Oh man the 5k really got my heartrate up, I was worried Mo Farrah wasn't going to win it but he came through for a gold in the 5k and the 10k! Now this is the most priceless picture of victory that I have ever seen.


And the Jamaicans smash another world record in the 4x100... I love Usain Bolt so much.

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #109 on: 12-08-2012, 06:08:31 »
This Olympic Hockey seems to screw your back for real good.I guess a retired athlete (if there is any) haves a very doomed column.

Football.Brazil lost to Mexico.Didn't watch the match.I regreted it.But most people did the same watching it.

Women Volleyball.Brazil smashed US.Girls caused a large havoc and they deserved it.

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #110 on: 12-08-2012, 10:08:40 »
Oh my god, such an awesome victory.

I really like some NL players like your goalkeeper, who did an awesome job btw. That Captain is slimy though. I don't like that penalty corner whore v.d. Weerden too ;D Ok enough hate against Holland.

You played very well. I heard an interview earlier today, where one of the German players (forgot who) said that the team wins that wants the victory more and I felt that Germany played with a bit more passion than Holland. It seemed like Holland just tried to get more penalty corners, but lacked the creativity a bit, while Rabante just saw the gap and did the first goal because he wanted to make it.

That a penalty corner goal for Holland is going to happen after 3 corner was obvious, well shot once again.

Second German goal was just stupid msitake by Hollands defender. Even I learned that you never just shoot the ball away, even under heavy pressue, safe it with your body or play it to the side as the opponent has less room to bring the ball back to the goal again.

Anyway, well played ball, to the post, especially the redirection half way was great, bringing the ball exactly to Rabantes stick.

I'm so happy for these guys, awesome final. Everyone in peakform right in time. Our coach won his 3th Olympic gold medal. 2004 with the women, 2008 & 2012 with the men. He's a great guy.
Second German goal should have been disallowed though, goal scorer went around the back of the goal which is not allowed.
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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #111 on: 12-08-2012, 11:08:42 »
Now that you say it, it's right, but I looked for the exact wording of the rule and it says that the player is not allowed to enter the enemy goal or go behind it on purpose. Thing is that he did not intentionally ran behind the goal out of a tactical decision, he was sprinting, he shot and it was more of a run-off area. On the other hand he left the area on the other side of the goal which makes it more of a foul. But he was out of the game by the action he did before and got back in the game. I'd probably have said that it's a foul, or well, I really don't know. I'd say it's the rule itself which is not precise enough to make the referees decide easily if it was a foul or not.

But what also has to be said is that the Netherlands could have used the video proof (I think they still had it or am I wrong ?). Fail decisions happen and the players should be attentive. Why not use it anyway when there is a goal so short before the ending of the game? In Hockey there are little fouls that are unseen very often, referees just have a really hard job there, especially when the wording of the rule offers room for interpretations so the referees may make the wrong decision because they have to decide in seconds. If video proof is requested, they have time to discuss it. Maybe they didn't even see he ws behind the goal and realize it's a foul by video proof then.
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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #112 on: 12-08-2012, 14:08:10 »
I really like some NL players like your goalkeeper, who did an awesome job btw.
Your goalkeeper is a good one too!

I heard an interview earlier today, where one of the German players (forgot who) said that the team wins that wants the victory more and I felt that Germany played with a bit more passion than Holland. It seemed like Holland just tried to get more penalty corners, but lacked the creativity a bit, while Rabante just saw the gap and did the first goal because he wanted to make it.
I disagree on this, I think it is a bit too easy that Germany won because "they wanted it more". Implicitly you say that the Dutch didn't want to win gold, and I really don't buy that. The thing is that we won 3-1 in the group match and I think your team did an awesome job on analysing that game. The German defense in the final was next to impregnable, that's why our commentator said the Germans feared our penalty corner specialist vd Weerden ;)

But what also has to be said is that the Netherlands could have used the video proof (I think they still had it or am I wrong ?).
No, our team had used the video referee already to prevent an unjustly given penalty corner. But besides that, I understood that it was talked about at the press conference afterwards and that the conclusion was that it wasn't foul enough to punish. Hockey should really make clearer rules, though, because thi is a nice example of a bad rule, just like the one where the suicide stoppers at penalty corners are supposed to "show they go for the ball" while each and everyone of them simply wants to block the shot with their body of course. But OK, that's something for the FIH to decide.

I'm still glad that this team won silver, because our top penalty corner specialist from the last Olympics was not in the team, the new one did a great job and became topscorer of the tournament. And a lot of other players got switched inbetween two Olympics too, sometimes with a lot bullshit going on around it: the press blaming the new coach of disrespectful behaviour etc. Before the Olympics started, everyone thought that the women might get gold again, but the men's team nobody was expecting anything from them. So good result after all.

Women: gold.
Men: silver.

And what about Germany? ;) :P

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #113 on: 12-08-2012, 15:08:35 »
Well, it's definitely not the skill that made the difference as both teams are on an equal level of skill. Some players said it was good that they lost vs Netherland in the preliminaries because they rarely lose twice to the same team in a short period of time and they know what they made wrong and how to handle the enemy. Of course both teams really wanted to win gold, but maybe Germany had the psychological advantage because they turned the game vs Australia and lost against Netherlands before. In the end Netherlands could have won as well, it was a duel on eye level, but I just felt that Germany had more balls at what they did, along with a good working defensive concept. Totally subjective feeling, well possible that you experienced it differently.

Yea, they used the video proof, but to you keep the video proof when you are right. Once you are wrong it's gone, but as long as you are right you keep it. So I assume they still had it.

I agree on the rule thing. Other than that penalty corners should be slightly reworked anyway in my opinion since they are too effective and as you said: Preventing the goal means usually block the ball with your body. If you don't it's a goal too often. In my opinion penalty corners have a bit too much influence on the game these days. It's done so professionally nowadays that the players rather play the ball to the defenders feet instead of playing the attack properly and pass the ball to another attacker, which is sad because you get to see less of a technically demanding sport and less of beautiful goals but more of penalty corner whoring. It's part of hockey to do so, but to me it has too much influence on the game, people tend to have very different opinions about this though.

Women did not deserve to play in the finals, they played really horrible.

Anyway, I can bring this to a bigger level ;D:

Germanies medals: 44

And what about the Netherlands ? ;) :P

No, really great success for your country there. If the men had won NL would have been the first country where women and men both win gold at an olympic teamsport. Furthermore I like that the women won because they are really likeable, like the opposite of the NL mens team ;D

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #114 on: 12-08-2012, 16:08:00 »
Totally subjective feeling, well possible that you experienced it differently.
The feeling is subjective, but I agree with your analysis of the match :)

Yea, they used the video proof, but to you keep the video proof when you are right. Once you are wrong it's gone, but as long as you are right you keep it. So I assume they still had it.
Oh, OK. I thought you could only use it once per half. I don't play hockey myself, so I don't know all the rules precisely ;)

Anyway, I can bring this to a bigger level ;D:

Germanies medals: 44

And what about the Netherlands ? ;) :P
German population: over 80.000.000
Dutch population: under 20.000.000

German medals: 44
Dutch medals: 20

Do the math ;) :P

No, really great success for your country there. If the men had won NL would have been the first country where women and men both win gold at an olympic teamsport.
Yes, that would have been great. Well, we'll keep that for Rio 2016 then ;)

edit: US already did it with basketball btw, so it wouldn't have been a first.
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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #115 on: 12-08-2012, 18:08:41 »
Ah I see, so Commentators tell a lot of shit these days

Would not have lasted long anyway as the US boys just won gold and the USA got both basketball gold medals today again apparently. Congrats to them, exciting game vs Spain for quite a long time.

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #116 on: 12-08-2012, 18:08:02 »
Ah I see, so Commentators tell a lot of shit these days

Would not have lasted long anyway as the US boys just won gold and the USA got both basketball gold medals today again apparently. Congrats to them, exciting game vs Spain for quite a long time.
I was for Spain... but oh well, gratz americans. ;)
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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #117 on: 12-08-2012, 20:08:03 »
Ah I see, so Commentators tell a lot of shit these days
Eehm, you lost me on this one. Is it about videoref?

And now for something completely different:

Coming back on my previous topic (I was asking if anyone knew anything about bias towards the hosting countries during Olympics), I bumped into this:
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Russia's sports minister, Vitaly Mutko, has accused Britain of using political clout to win medals at the London Olympics.

"The Brits are just as [bad] as [the Chinese] in Beijing," Mutko told Russian media on Saturday. "Here in London everyone wants the British to win. They have a very strong political support."

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/aug/11/russia-accuse-gb-unfair-play

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #118 on: 12-08-2012, 20:08:47 »
That was about that no country managed to win gold medals with men and women in team sports and that NL would have done that by winning yesterday, according to the German TV commentator. But you revealed it being not true, so the commentator talked nonsense again :)

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Re: The Olympics Thread
« Reply #119 on: 12-08-2012, 20:08:21 »
That was about that no country managed to win gold medals with men and women in team sports and that NL would have done that by winning yesterday, according to the German TV commentator. But you revealed it being not true, so the commentator talked nonsense again :)
Ah, OK. That's German commentators for you ;) :P