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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #225 on: 07-04-2011, 20:04:34 »
And they got a wall too.

Which means that Flanders got...
Flan!




So what is the whole procedure to reform the entire government system? Let that funny king use his divine powers!
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #226 on: 07-04-2011, 20:04:59 »
What powers? ;D
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #227 on: 07-04-2011, 21:04:37 »
About no difference between Flemish and Walloon, why do you think we speak a completely different language? there must be a big historical difference, probably tribe related like they are Roman decent, we are Germanic decent.

Also, i guess 8 out of 10 times correctly if someone is French or Dutch speaking at work. you really can see it often.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #228 on: 07-04-2011, 21:04:16 »
What powers? ;D
Exactly.

Funny stuff with prince Laurent though, I giggled  ;D
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #229 on: 08-04-2011, 04:04:22 »
We speak like 30 different languages with 150+ local dialect variety.

We are racially different either, unlike Flanders and Waloons who basically are Caucasians, Western Indonesia is Austronesian brown people, whereas the easts are Polynesian black people.

Anyway, difference shouldn't put you into governance disarray. No wonder Belgians have little international ventures. Some that I know, includes Guylian Chocolate Sea Shells and Hoegaarden, which has just started selling here last January and people become crazy about them.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #230 on: 08-04-2011, 12:04:41 »
The Flanders-Wallonia division is economic if anything. Historically, Wallonia relied on its coal and iron industries, but after the war the coal production pretty much stopped. Now, Wallonia is suffering from very high levels of unemployment and it has a significantly lower GDP than Flanders. Of course, Belgium puts a lot of money into development projects for the worst regions, but the Flemish see this as all of 'their' tax money going to the Walloons. The language divide makes it worse, as it's a lot easier to get an "us-vs-them" thing going.

Still, Indonesia has its own problems too, with the south Moluccas and Papua.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #231 on: 08-04-2011, 16:04:03 »
The Flanders-Wallonia division is economic if anything. Historically, Wallonia relied on its coal and iron industries, but after the war the coal production pretty much stopped. Now, Wallonia is suffering from very high levels of unemployment and it has a significantly lower GDP than Flanders. Of course, Belgium puts a lot of money into development projects for the worst regions, but the Flemish see this as all of 'their' tax money going to the Walloons. The language divide makes it worse, as it's a lot easier to get an "us-vs-them" thing going.

Still, Indonesia has its own problems too, with the south Moluccas and Papua.

the devision has been there since day one, even when wallonia was rich and flanders a bunch of farmers ( we thank the car and IT industry in flanders thanks to the metal industry in wallonia btw ) the money thing is just an excuse to seed the hatred.

whenever a flemish starts about wallonia and money i tell them we should ditch province of antwerp cause it costs more than Limburg, a discussion that no seperatist can win unless it comes down to language.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #232 on: 08-04-2011, 17:04:13 »
The Flanders-Wallonia division is economic if anything. Historically, Wallonia relied on its coal and iron industries, but after the war the coal production pretty much stopped. Now, Wallonia is suffering from very high levels of unemployment and it has a significantly lower GDP than Flanders. Of course, Belgium puts a lot of money into development projects for the worst regions, but the Flemish see this as all of 'their' tax money going to the Walloons. The language divide makes it worse, as it's a lot easier to get an "us-vs-them" thing going.

Still, Indonesia has its own problems too, with the south Moluccas and Papua.

That division of Eastern people, namely Maluku (Moluccas) and Papua is mainly religious conflicts, a thing so old and abandoned in their homeland of Europe.

Aceh (western most Indonesia), is an autonomic province, granting them full control about their own governance and law. They chose shari'a and strict Islamic code. They proudly call their land "The gate to Mecca."

East Papua (eastern most Indonesia), which is split from Papua (into East and West), rejects all Islamic spread and influence. They seek to deny their activity there, which is granted by the central government. They are strict Roman Catholics and proudly call their land "The gate to Jerusalem." (instead of Vatican city)

Same reason with Southern and Northern Maluku. Unlike Belgium, people here have been involved in bloody violence until the government divided them into two separate province. The Northern one is now free to apply their own Shari'a law, where the Southern Christians aren't subjected to no longer.

Separatists often argued about Islam dominance in our government, thus it can never be fair to them. So they keep seeking independence, which can be quite a mess, really. Probably, after they are done with their very own Republic, they'll start ousting Muslim minorities or worst, started purging them in Srpska Republic style. Which would call more violence within the border. Most people lost sympathy for them after witnessing the degree of violence involved there (e.g. gutting pregnant women).

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #233 on: 18-05-2011, 21:05:17 »
Day 331 and counting. We are still nowhere. King says he will not allow new elections.

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #234 on: 18-05-2011, 21:05:18 »
But a funny guy with a red bow tie will fix it all!!

Fail election system + monarchy. Try and hit a 1,000 days, that would be cool.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #235 on: 18-05-2011, 21:05:08 »
We will just skip a government and have the new elections as planned in a year or 3 :p

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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #236 on: 19-05-2011, 09:05:53 »
Im ashamed and embarrassed of the dutch goverment. especially because of one party. PVV.... oh man they have some ''brilliant'' people there.  >:(

the things they say and the plans they got.. Oh man just brilliant. and the best of all they all do exelent research before comming with a statement.  sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm


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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #237 on: 19-05-2011, 12:05:08 »
Why ashamed off the government? PVV is not in the government.

I would never vote for the PVV, bunch of populists combining left and right winged views, but I am happy that they support this government.
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #238 on: 19-05-2011, 14:05:31 »
Why ashamed off the government? PVV is not in the government.

I would never vote for the PVV, bunch of populists combining left and right winged views, but I am happy that they support this government.

yeah they are not in the goverment, i know, but without them this current goverment would not be there.
I'm a bit ashamed of the fact that many people voted on that party without looking into the facts.

I have some friends who live in Germany, France and Italy, and the first thing they asked after the elections was ''why are there so many nazi's in Hollland''?

now this may be a somewhat over reacted, but the fact it was asked to me shows how other countries see the developments happening in Holland.

to be able to vote on different parties, to have democracy is a wonderfull thing, and the pvv has is right to be there. and its great to have a discussion with someone who vieuws certain things in a different way, this way you can be open minded and learn from each other ect.

but it bothers me sometimes that this party gets away with some radical statements
and the pvv refuses to go into discusion most of the time

to me it is not very democratic and its hypocrite, to throw around with all kinds of statements and not be able to back them up or have a discusion about it
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Re: Dutch (and Belgian) parliamentary elections
« Reply #239 on: 19-05-2011, 14:05:22 »
You can discuss and debate with them, aslong as you dont want to actually win or convince ;D
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