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WTF France????
« on: 15-09-2010, 07:09:37 »
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #1 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:16 »
I fully agree with france. They did the right step. It actually should be banned in the whole EU. Every country has a law against wearing face covering and yet these things have to be tolerated because some religious crap. Get over it, same rules for everyone. We are not in Iran, over here the law stands higher than religion.

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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #2 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:05 »
Actually no. This is just the social decline and tilting to the right along with islamophobic tendencies that has unluckily gripped so many countries this past decade. Frances treatment of it's Roma just a few days ago was abysmal was well.

You could get rid of the veil problem in much better and subtle ways. For example finally start teaching young immigrants their rights and not just misusing them as cheap labour!

Instead of reacting to the real problems people are searching for scapegoats. Plundering other people's resources and the rampant capital globalization can't go on like this...
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #3 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:54 »
True freedom is allowing things you do not like.

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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #4 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:33 »
stupid law. You should be allowed to wear wtf you want. What if you are not muslim, you just have a really bad rash in your face and dont want everybody to see it? Or you just got abused by your drunk husband and have a beat-up face, or you was in an accident and broke your jaw, or it is cold outside and you want to cover your face with a piece of cloth, or you are born in a muslim country and are following its clothing traditions because it makes you feel like you belong to a culture?

Very stupid law, then again the french usually take too radical actions to solve their problems  ::)

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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #5 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:11 »
But men who force the veil on their women and women how WANT to wear it wont stop it even if you put them in a fancy class teaching them western values and stuff about freedom and rights. For them, religion stands over everything, which cannot under any circumstances be in a law state.

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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #6 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:31 »
I'm still waiting for the first person to rob a bank in one of those things  ;D Hiding akimbo pistols under the robes..

On the serious side..
True freedom doesn't exist Mudra, not on any place in the world. If covering the entire face is forbidden, why can they do it? Though if they want to wear that stuff, they should, though it's not really social to wear one of those in my opinion. The ideal world would have no religion  :P
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #7 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:04 »
On the serious side..
True freedom doesn't exist Mudra, not on any place in the world. If covering the entire face is forbidden, why can they do it?

Wait...What?  Hiding your entire face is forbidden?  Why?  With the nutty countries with CCTV cameras everywhere I can understand why people would hide there faces.  this just seems so odd to me.
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #8 on: 15-09-2010, 08:09:50 »
I believe thats the actual law, do not cover thy facial area. It's a silly excuse to ban those things..

Though bank robbers are hopeless now.
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #9 on: 15-09-2010, 10:09:42 »
I believe thats the actual law, do not cover thy facial area. It's a silly excuse to ban those things..

Though bank robbers are hopeless now.

Why I agree with the fuck your beliefs stance (the law applies to everyone).  The law to begin with seems wrong. 
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #10 on: 15-09-2010, 10:09:16 »
Hey what about the freedom to own anything that grows in nature???

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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #11 on: 15-09-2010, 10:09:29 »
I 100% support this rule, and like corvax, I hope this makes it through all of Europe.

- First of all I found it offending that some foreign fantasy religion can use full-face-covering clothing while this is forbidden for me as a regular atheist. As a kid I used to wear these balaclavas, and when I got older it was not allowed anymore....understandable, since people with bad intentions can misuse the hiding of identity.

- Second, if only 5% of the women who wear these things does so because they are forced, this law has a use. It's well known and researched that the usage of the Niqaab is often because of pressure from peers and family, not by own initiative or willingness.

- Third, I fully support any law that will prevent any form of extreme islamism (and the Niqaab is right up there) in my country. It's influence is spreading like a cancer all over the European continent because we allowed too much, way too much freedom in the past. Religion should be chained, and confined to the purely personal space. As the saying goes : 'Use religion like your dick - don't show it in public and don't shuv it in under age children'.

- Fourth, it's not like this rule is so harsh. In Turkey it is completely forbidden to wear any kind of head coverage (not only niqaab or the simpler hijad hair cover) in public institutions and among many jobs. Turkey is a modern islam state - compared to the others anyways - so why should we not implement similar rules? (this one is more strict, I know).

- Fifth, even when you look at their own fable holy book, it makes NO MENTION of a niqaab or even hijad coverage of women. What it does mention, is that the wives of the prophet started to wear a niqaab-like garment five years before mohammeds death. In all other texts there is clear statement that women should 'cover their female curves in a dignifieng way'. WITHOUT the mention of a head scarf/dress/coverage. The followign hadith shows that :

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"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)"


How far do you want to go with tolerating some cultural or religious excessiveness ? Do we have to allow the (forcefull without exception) circumcision of girls ? It is forbidden in many Islam countries, but in Holland you can send your daughter to a clinic and it is done for free - payed by the insurance! Sick practice.
Or do we have to allow - when not talking about muslims - other people from other cultures to still eat human flesh, just because it is an integral part of their 'amazonian tribe  culture'.

Please, once something so obviously comes in the reign of the misused, misusable or contradictionary with our _own_ system, or _own_ culture, our _own_ laws and our _own_ people I think it is time to put a halt to it. Simple.

For the people that respond and dont see the harm in a niqaab - it is not only the thing itself (the fact it is forbidden to cover your face should go for everyone, without exception) but what it stands for that people dispise - extreme islam. If you don't live in a neighborhood with a lot of islam youth you have ZERO idea what it is, what it does. It is a very nasty, scary religion that lags some 800 years behind christianity in its current tamed form. It still has to undergo many of the revolutionary changes that make it compatible with the modern society and make it more self-regulating, tolerant and harmless.

The Islam is a religion that is still in the expansionist, 'we against the world', 'everyone must be converted' kind of mentality the christians had during the Crusades in 1000-1300. If we do not impose strict rules on it's  extremes right now, it will overtake us in a hundred year by sheer islamic population - the one with the heighest birthrate in Europe, twice or more that of native europeans. Democracy will allow them to change back by majority vote all of the rules we impose on them now, so why the worry? It's only temporary  ;D

My $0.01 from someone who grew up in Turkey, and should know a thing or two about the 'mild' side of this religion...
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #12 on: 15-09-2010, 10:09:59 »
Hey what about the freedom to own anything that grows in nature???



  I don't get it....So if France made it cool to do drugs then they could act like Commies/Nazis?  I know you are touched and hate to have any real debate outside trolling but what the fuck are talking about?
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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #13 on: 15-09-2010, 10:09:34 »
Hey what about the freedom to own anything that grows in nature???



    I know you are touched and hate to have any real debate outside trolling but what the fuck are talking about?

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Re: WTF France????
« Reply #14 on: 15-09-2010, 11:09:25 »
I think Lainer - probably an american - is still confused about 'freedom' and such things. Assets he takes for granted in the USA, somehow.

Lainer, I think the only way to compare the schizophrenic nature of 'freedom' in the USA to ours is by comparing it to our freedom to smoke whatever we want as long as we don't bother/hurt others or ourselves. Or your 'freedom' to be the biggest pornproducing country in the world, yet if a nipple shows on national TV people get fired, sued and fined.

Or the 'freedom' to express yourself as a fully fledged atheist - in America these people got (and still get) frowned upon by large parts of society if they do so.

Or that other great american 'freedom' - to be a homosexual. Oh wait, you can be a homosexual but you cannot talk about it! If you do, you get fired (army, for example).

So, I think it is best you change your own country's disproporional lack of freedom in certain places before you start complaining about that in other's  8)