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Title: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: kummitus on 11-04-2017, 20:04:18
(https://cmpcdn.ovh/uploads/monthly_04_2017/header1.png.d83eeae2b15b8e358ee3d64ea400bf97.png)

What Is CMP-Gaming?

CMP-Gaming means Collaborative Multiplayer Gaming.  The community was founded to provide common home for the FH2 Community Map Pack, as well as brand new tournaments run by people who have decade long experience of hosting them including members from the FH2 Branch from Forgotten Honor, The Community Mappack Modding Team , World at War, several representatives of the 762 Community and a close collaboration with the FH2 Developers.

One of the new features to reach Community Map Pack is a open issue tracker, where we hope anyone who comes across issues in the public version, would post them.

Our goals?


Features

In the CMP-Gaming you can take advantage of a new Tournament Interface system, alongside custom medals and ranks for our campaigns.

We've hand picked custom software to run the community on the forums, issue tracker and will carry on to improve Community Updater as well as all the content we produce for Forgotten Hope 2.

A Teamspeak server aswell as Discord are available for the community to use.

Our forums contain a "wiki" that will eventually include all the content found on Community Map Pack.

Help us evolve

No matter if you like to play FH2 on the public servers or in the tournaments, we aim to provide you a place you can call home. Join the discussion on the forums, Discord and Teamspeak. Share your opinions and bug reports. The tournament and the Map Pack is always on the look for fresh ideas and people to help to develop them further.

If you have any question dont hesitate to ask.

You can find us at
cmp-gaming.com (https://cmp-gaming.com)


Truly yours
The CMP Gaming staff

( kummitus, I<ODIUM>I, Wualy, Erwin, Papillon, Hawk, Sir_Kowskoskey, Stubbfan, Pr0z4c, Harmonikater, Quicksilver, RAnDOOm )

Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Airshark79 on 11-04-2017, 20:04:24
Great news.  :)
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: FHMax3 on 11-04-2017, 20:04:34
I thought CMP meant "Custom Map Pack" Kinda confusing.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: kummitus on 11-04-2017, 21:04:15
Intentional, we tried to fill in the gap between the two :)
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 11-04-2017, 23:04:19
How the f... did my name get onto that list...oh right. That parchment and signing-with-blood thingie...riiiight. Forgot about that. :D Good to see that things are underway. [762] will support you guys with forum announcements and ingame text messages on our servers. Good luck in building this FH2 tournament!
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: 0utlaw on 12-04-2017, 02:04:06
nice guys!  ;D
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: kummitus on 12-04-2017, 08:04:48
 ;)
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: RayderPSG on 12-04-2017, 12:04:49
Nice! Already joined!  ;)
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 12-04-2017, 19:04:19
All the while avoiding legal issues? You're either doing really well or someone really doesn't care.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 12-04-2017, 21:04:07
Which legal issues? Every map that was created with the BF2 editor is property of Electronic Arts.
That goes for CMP maps, FHT maps, WaW maps, FH2 maps...just saying.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Dancho on 12-04-2017, 21:04:52
Quote from: x4fun ODIUM on 12-04-2017, 21:04:07
Which legal issues? Every map that was created with the BF2 editor is property of Electronic Arts.
That goes for CMP maps, FHT maps, WaW maps, FH2 maps...just saying.

Really? It's a little like: every slice of bread is property of the knife producer, or is it?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: PapillonFH on 12-04-2017, 21:04:45
Korsakov talking about "legal issues"...
There is a certain hilarity about that.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Erwin on 12-04-2017, 22:04:40
Quote from: Korsakov829 on 12-04-2017, 19:04:19
All the while avoiding legal issues? You're either doing really well or someone really doesn't care.

Haven't you checked in a mental asylum yet?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 13-04-2017, 01:04:08
I don't get the legal issues thing. Isn't this just FHT in a new format? Where's the money changing hands?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-04-2017, 06:04:50
Believe it or not documents with signatures were occasionally faxed between multiple parties, that was
 sufficient enough to hold up in courts of law, and that was the whole point. It is a very limited example. What else don't you know about, I wonder.

Well it's not my business or care anymore, but the Forgotten Honor I was apart of wouldn't let this slide so easily. I assume they currently lack the capacity and resources these days or simply allowed this.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: PapillonFH on 13-04-2017, 07:04:01
Faxed? Signatures? Courts of Law?
There are no legal parties involved in any of this, not businesses, no contracts, no money exchanged. Just hobbies and websites.
Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 13-04-2017, 08:04:42
Dear Mr. "Korsakov". Since you try to claim intellectual property rights here in some FHT maps and are
threatening to sue people. Which of the maps, which of the models of the FH2 mod have you actually invested any work in, yourself? Please be precise.

1. Name the intellectual property that you may be claiming (if you claim anything instead of making any vague accusations).

2. Prove the intellectual property rights (yes, actual rights) that were defined and secured (!) in an applicable frame of law. That means definitive names of people who built maps. Names of people who can prove that they built the maps. Same goes for objects, models, vehicles, weapons, etc. Names of people who can prove that they did forbid altering of maps (on what base of law, please also add that).

Name the tools that they used to create their ma...oh dear. BF2 editor. Again. I guess EA will have to sue us at CMP. Then you guys at FHT. Then FH2. Then all other BF2 mods.

3. Prove in a court of law that you've made a business out of selling content at FHT.
No, "donation drives" and raffles for games that you buy from the money raised on these donation drives -raffles designed to hand these games out to your own staff - that is not a business.

Spending several hundreds up to 1000€ out of your "budget" (you called it that) and more per year on non-defined "other costs" - that is not a business. That is just intransparency.

4. Prove a definitive and actual commercial damage.

5. TRY ( mark the wording here) enforcing this in any court in the EU. Just try it.

I will watch you with interest, Mr. Korsakov. Where are you living at, actually - Russia, USA, Holland, Great Britain? That seems to change from time to time. So you may want to clear this up first before considering going to court.

While you sort this out to back up your bombastic claims of "Faxes being exchanged" (sic), I will get my popcorn. Lots of it.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Airshark79 on 13-04-2017, 09:04:05
Don't feed the troll xD
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Erwin on 13-04-2017, 10:04:59
Nice try last night Korsakov, aka Mr.Hacker.  :-*
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Pr0z4c on 13-04-2017, 14:04:07
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Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-04-2017, 16:04:57
Anything artistic is deemed intellectual property and can be protected as such. Under copyright, depending on definition, this would expand to distribution, derivation, reproduction, etc.

Now you may say that you're protected because anything created by the tools of EA is theirs, but we're not talking about maps here.

I have no idea of what you're taking from your time at FHT, or what you've done, and this here will be used purely as an example to demonstrate a point:

Let's say you recreated the BF1942 FHT map Bukit Timah. Again you can't really go after someone for using an EA tool, right, let's just assume that is correct. But what about that heightmap? It can easily exist outside of either a BF1942 or BF2 map. Say that FHT were to pull a copy of that heightmap, invariably a simple image file with a common format yet digitally unique enough to be protected. How likely would it be for that file to match with what can be pulled from your version of the map? Just a slight derivation? And of course, that is but one example.

Now for another example, say an actual case were to be made. Here is what such a presentation would look like:
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/armyrage/
And more! While the old website is lost, I am certain that Forgotten Honor retains a copy of the database and old files, complete with the dates they were created or last modified. That may not be enough if copyright has not been established, however, it may be sufficient for a moral judgement.

And in what courts would this all transpire? That would be the decision of FHT, not my business. Again this is just an exploration of possibility.

Quote from: x4fun ODIUM on 13-04-2017, 08:04:42
Spending several hundreds up to 1000€ out of your "budget" (you called it that) and more per year on non-defined "other costs" - that is not a business. That is just intransparency.
The hypocrisy here is you appear to have the same people on your team responsible for that in the first place. How long until you exaggerate your expenses by as much as 1.5x or 2x to protect against the possibility that you may fall short on funding?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-04-2017, 17:04:27
I'm sure if any developer doesn't want their content used in the new tournament, they will speak up. Did you contribute any content? No? Then stop posting pointless nonsense in this thread.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-04-2017, 17:04:08
Is it so easily the say of any developers who made it? I would argue that because it was "gifted" and found its way to Forgotten Honor servers first, it is then their digital property. Point being I'm surprised the CMP group seems unaware of these possibilities, making it something of an unattractive investment given long term uncertainty.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Ts4EVER on 13-04-2017, 17:04:09
To become an FH2 dev you have to agree that the content you make is the property of FH2 and can't be withdrawn. Is there such a thing in Forgotten Honor? If not, it is up to the discretion of the mapper / modeller what happens with his stuff.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Airshark79 on 13-04-2017, 18:04:55
I don't know what Korsakov is crying about. It's not a split you dummy, the whole team moved altogether.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: GeoPat on 13-04-2017, 19:04:20
I would advise FHT to go after the culprit that destroyed it's old website and compromised the info of it's members.  I believe a criminal case could be made there, not just a "moral judgement".
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 13-04-2017, 20:04:29
I'd fully support that, but they are unwilling the same as today just as they were a year ago. In the follow-up of the event and the later "investigation", anything that may have been used as evidence was clumsily destroyed, as far as I am aware.

Quote from: Airshark79 on 13-04-2017, 18:04:55
I don't know what Korsakov is crying about. It's not a split you dummy, the whole team moved altogether.
Forgotten Honor still exists along with their rights to content that they have. I would argue they are better positioned for the ownership of content even if the team behind all of it has moved away.

As I recall, a piece of the software developed came with what more or less resembles an agreement on part of the end user, that stated that by using it you could not redistribute, rip, copy, or use said content outside of Forgotten Honor without permission? I could be mistaken, but in addition to that the tournament rules usually posted in the forum also stated that the content could not be used outside of Forgotten Honor again without permission? In none of that do I remember it being worded as said permission can only come from the named developers.

Rather, it was more likely to have been worded in context of the staff of Forgotten Honor. I'm not too sure of what has happened, but if you were to no longer be considered part of the staff, would that not potentially void any such agreement in regards to having said permissions?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Matthew_Baker on 13-04-2017, 20:04:05
Anyway, so this is basically the new 'tournament center?' As in, the CMP will run it's own tournaments from here?

What about the map-pack being integrated into the public server? Should we direct all feedback in that website or is that still through 762?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Hawk2k9 on 13-04-2017, 20:04:16
Quote from: Matthew_Baker on 13-04-2017, 20:04:05
Anyway, so this is basically the new 'tournament center?' As in, the CMP will run it's own tournaments from here?

What about the map-pack being integrated into the public server? Should we direct all feedback in that website or is that still through 762?

Yep, CMP will host it's own campaigns and will be the home for the developers of the Community Mappack. But you can still give your feedback at 762 as they will also run the CMP maps and are working close together with CMP. Either way works.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Pr0z4c on 13-04-2017, 21:04:18
BACK ON TOPIC  ;D

Quote from: kummitus on 11-04-2017, 20:04:18
(https://cmpcdn.ovh/uploads/monthly_04_2017/header1.png.d83eeae2b15b8e358ee3d64ea400bf97.png)

What Is CMP-Gaming?

CMP-Gaming means Collaborative Multiplayer Gaming.  The community was founded to provide common home for the FH2 Community Map Pack, as well as brand new tournaments run by people who have decade long experience of hosting them including members from the FH2 Branch from Forgotten Honor, The Community Mappack Modding Team , World at War, several representatives of the 762 Community and a close collaboration with the FH2 Developers.

One of the new features to reach Community Map Pack is a open issue tracker, where we hope anyone who comes across issues in the public version, would post them.

Our goals?

  • To host tournaments and campaigns for many games, mainly and starting with Forgotten Hope 2.
  • Provide a platform for good gameplay and a good atmosphere. A place where everyone can get together and enjoy playing games.
  • We want to be transparent in what we do, why we do things or not and what our monthly costs are. We are open to hear any suggestion that any member would like to make.
  • Foster respect in how we communicate and treat each other.
  • We want to have a lean and clean structure without multiple management levels.

Features

In the CMP-Gaming you can take advantage of a new Tournament Interface system, alongside custom medals and ranks for our campaigns.

We've hand picked custom software to run the community on the forums, issue tracker and will carry on to improve Community Updater as well as all the content we produce for Forgotten Hope 2.

A Teamspeak server aswell as Discord are available for the community to use.

Our forums contain a "wiki" that will eventually include all the content found on Community Map Pack.

Help us evolve

No matter if you like to play FH2 on the public servers or in the tournaments, we aim to provide you a place you can call home. Join the discussion on the forums, Discord and Teamspeak. Share your opinions and bug reports. The tournament and the Map Pack is always on the look for fresh ideas and people to help to develop them further.

If you have any question dont hesitate to ask.

You can find us at
cmp-gaming.com (https://cmp-gaming.com)


Truly yours
The CMP Gaming staff

( kummitus, I<ODIUM>I, Wualy, Erwin, Papillon, Hawk, Sir_Kowskoskey, Stubbfan, Pr0z4c, Harmonikater, Quicksilver, RAnDOOm )
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: kummitus on 13-04-2017, 21:04:34
Yeah and as said in the post, we have launched issue tracker that is free for anyone to use and submit bugs/errors and see what is being worked on.

Also the "wiki" that shall contain information what is included in the mappack. It's still a WIP though but has vast majority of the minimaps of maps in the project.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 14-04-2017, 01:04:23
Good luck.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 14-04-2017, 19:04:33
Can I join? I'm serious.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Sandre on 14-04-2017, 21:04:31
 ::)
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Alubat on 14-04-2017, 23:04:15
If FHT and CMP wants to fight in a future tournement. We might have a full server :-)

http://forgottenhonor.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1922
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 15-04-2017, 04:04:32
As server and later community admin, I've learned not to take sides. Even if all that it does,
is to disappoint people who want something from me. As long as it is necessary to get
something good built and realized, it is sensible to stay impartial. No matter how much dirt people
throw at me because of that.

That is how we built [762], that is how we built the CMP group. We.
But if [FHT] vs CMP-Gaming is a fight that should ever be happening,
I know with what people my allegiance will be and where I will play.

I have all respect for buddydog and his efforts to keep the sinking ship afloat.
I salute that. If he wants to keep advertising [FHT] on the [762] forums, I will not
obstruct him. The "tournament" section in our forums is open to all communities
who play FH2 and FH1.

But I will not take part in nor personally support any campaign that bears the name
Forgotten Honor ever again. My reasons for that have been stated in a certain
"What's new in February" - thread on the [FHT] forums. The reasons are named
"Dutch", "Lister" and "Korsakov".

In German, there is a saying that however you call into the woods, the echo
will come back out the same way.

To Mr. Korsakov and his request to join - why would I take the same woodboring beetle
that made my old ship sink back onto the new one? I'm not in charge to decide that,
but if I were, you would not be allowed in for the next hundred years.

On financing matters: we manage to host [762] and all the servers with a few hundred Euros
per year - because we don't bloat our expenses. Because we have people who host us for free.
People whom we pay back with free of charge work, help and support. A big thanks to the =DGC=
clan (Die German Crew) on this point.

We do not pay ourselves money. What money did buy the games licenses that you guys
used to hand out on your big raffles? Where did the money come from? Where did the thousands
of Euros from the donation drives each year go? Into stable gaming servers for FH2? Really?

Some food for thought...

We work and put in our time for free to make [762] run. And whatever you were insinuating
by your comments further up - by simply avoiding taking back you, Lister and Dutch, I am
confident that the CMP-gaming community will not ever handle the player's donations
in the way Forgotten Honor did.

But what do I know about money, right?
Have a nice whatever...
 
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 15-04-2017, 06:04:36
Appreciate an honest response, always.

You have a right to be angry at how those donations were handled because so am I. Where is the money? Stockpiled in an account. Even though they made us pay 500-700 Euros a year for a horrible and overpriced website host, and with both servers costing at total of ~1400 Euros yearly, plus the one time expenses (server licenses, tools for making websites, software licenses) by 2015 we didn't need to ask for as much, they decided otherwise. It was a huge part of the reason why I stepped back from having anything to do with management - too many people not putting in quality work to justify that large budget, failure in getting a new website, lack of volunteers.

Actually... I just realized you're bringing RAnDOOm along? Maybe ask him about all of this, he practically lead the last few donation drives.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: MajorMajor on 15-04-2017, 10:04:03
Quote from: Pr0z4c on 09-04-2017, 17:04:23
We will also provide a platform for people intrested in modding/mapping/designing/coding

-Tutorials on modding/mapping/designing/coding
-A Place to ask questions and share ideas

I'm really looking forward to that, more tutorials are always appreciated. I sometimes get that mapping itch, but I'm put off by either lack of time or lack of faith in my abilities. A short, step by step tutorial on the optimal working procedure for BF2 mapping would be really nice.

Also, while I have zero interest in the FHT drama, I just wanted to thank the 762 guys for keeping a free, well-policed and mostly stable server. Good job!
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Pr0z4c on 16-04-2017, 10:04:33
Thats why we made the CMP website MajorMajor. www.cmp-gaming.com

Also, i have zero intrest in the FHT drama ;) you are welcome on our website!
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Erwin on 16-04-2017, 13:04:54
Quote from: Korsakov829 on 14-04-2017, 19:04:33
Can I join? I'm serious.

Sure why not.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: kummitus on 16-04-2017, 19:04:21
We just broke 100th member on the forum!
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Flippy Warbear on 16-04-2017, 19:04:10
Quote from: kummitus on 16-04-2017, 19:04:21
We just broke 100th member on the forum!

Brutal violence.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 16-04-2017, 19:04:00
That was me! Do I get a free iPod?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Erwin on 16-04-2017, 21:04:55
Quote from: Korsakov829 on 16-04-2017, 19:04:00
That was me! Do I get a free iPod?

Send me your adress I'll mail it to you.  ;)
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Korsakov829 on 16-04-2017, 22:04:20
Will I get a second for being first to be banned as well?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Striktarn on 17-04-2017, 16:04:01
Fantastic news. I signed up.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: buddydog123 on 18-04-2017, 20:04:26
Quote from: x4fun ODIUM on 15-04-2017, 04:04:32
As server and later community admin, I've learned not to take sides. Even if all that it does,
is to disappoint people who want something from me. As long as it is necessary to get
something good built and realized, it is sensible to stay impartial. No matter how much dirt people
throw at me because of that.

That is how we built [762], that is how we built the CMP group. We.
But if [FHT] vs CMP-Gaming is a fight that should ever be happening,
I know with what people my allegiance will be and where I will play.

I have all respect for buddydog and his efforts to keep the sinking ship afloat.
I salute that. If he wants to keep advertising [FHT] on the [762] forums, I will not
obstruct him. The "tournament" section in our forums is open to all communities
who play FH2 and FH1.

But I will not take part in nor personally support any campaign that bears the name
Forgotten Honor ever again. My reasons for that have been stated in a certain
"What's new in February" - thread on the [FHT] forums. The reasons are named
"Dutch", "Lister" and "Korsakov".

In German, there is a saying that however you call into the woods, the echo
will come back out the same way.

To Mr. Korsakov and his request to join - why would I take the same woodboring beetle
that made my old ship sink back onto the new one? I'm not in charge to decide that,
but if I were, you would not be allowed in for the next hundred years.

On financing matters: we manage to host [762] and all the servers with a few hundred Euros
per year - because we don't bloat our expenses. Because we have people who host us for free.
People whom we pay back with free of charge work, help and support. A big thanks to the =DGC=
clan (Die German Crew) on this point.

We do not pay ourselves money. What money did buy the games licenses that you guys
used to hand out on your big raffles? Where did the money come from? Where did the thousands
of Euros from the donation drives each year go? Into stable gaming servers for FH2? Really?

Some food for thought...

We work and put in our time for free to make [762] run. And whatever you were insinuating
by your comments further up - by simply avoiding taking back you, Lister and Dutch, I am
confident that the CMP-gaming community will not ever handle the player's donations
in the way Forgotten Honor did.

But what do I know about money, right?
Have a nice whatever...


This is Buddydog from Forgotten Honor. My old account was compromised...

First of, I would like to wish CMP the best as they parts ways from Forgotten Honor. Forgotten Honor will still be having FH2 campaigns, but we wish that the increase in the numbers of tournaments improves the quality of gameplay in the community overall.

I would like to note that Korsakov does not represent Forgotten Honor in any way during this matter. He has long since been banned for the same reasons he is banned from many other FH1 and FH2 communities. So I would like to advice caution when examining his representation of Forgotten Honor.  As for my stance of his allegations, Forgotten Honor has no qualms about maps that have already been donated to the Community Map Pack for general use for the community being used by other communities oermitted credit in the map is given to its original source. We do trust that no attempt will be made to use maps ported from our FH1 FHT minimod, which was made my Forgotten Honor mappers nor any maps made by official Forgotten Honor mappers not already donated to the CMP. 

Furthermore, regarding our donation drive, zero funds used in Forgotten Honor's general donation drives were used go to anything other than operational costs.  Game giveaways and raffles were given in separate donated games by community members.   As many current CMP admins had access and managed FHT donation information when they served as admins in Forgotten Honor, they know this to be true. 

That being said, I wish for the best of all FH2 players in the future.  Forgotten Honor's future battles will most likely be on Saturdays, to prevent interference with other FH2 tournaments.

Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: PapillonFH on 18-04-2017, 22:04:43
I am all for sharing all the FH2 stuff that is there, the FH2 community is too tight-knit to haggle about maps.  Competition is good for business  :)
So buddydog, from my pov both parties are free to use all the maps and assets that were created and/or edited by the FH2 branch in the last camps 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19.
And as we did with the WaW maps that were used at FHT or in the CMP, we will ofc credit the participating parties.
We have no plans to port further FH1 FHT maps. Actually, by porting those maps you essentially only inherit a terrain plus a draft for colormaps, nothing more. The amount of necessary work is equal to a new map, and I actually refrain from the porting of old maps, as you often inherit design flaws from a game with different gameplay and all.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: PapillonFH on 18-04-2017, 22:04:46
Ah btw, there are actually some really old-school FHT maps from before camp 13 that could be polished up to current standards, e.g. Anzio, Corinth Canal....
I re-did Monte La Difensa, worked a lot on Anzio and also San Pietro, never played but still they are there.
So if you want to use those or continue, bump me.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Stronkie on 19-04-2017, 12:04:39
Ok,

I made a special account on here , just to rectify some issues here pointed out by Odium.

Dude , you have no idea what you are talking about. All the raffle-games I gave away , were from people who donated their Humble Bundle keys . (Me and Quicksilver donated the most keys ). Not a single penny was used from the donation money. The last Streams I did , in which I gave away keys , were from my own Humble Bundle keys. The way you insult FH is really painful to see. But this part of the full insult I can not stand by.

And about the rest of the donation money , 3000€ may look like a lot. But as the admins that you guys have now (Randoom , Kummi and Papillon) can tell you.. Those costs are really used to pay for all the things we use at FH.

But enough said about it all. As Buddydog , I wish all the FH2 members a good time. Hope they will have fun. Cause that is all that we want with online community's

PS Odium , show respect and edit your insultposts please.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: PapillonFH on 19-04-2017, 13:04:22
Money was Not wisely spent all the time but afaik that particular thing did not occur.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Stronkie on 19-04-2017, 14:04:11
Quote from: PapillonFH on 19-04-2017, 13:04:22
Money was Not wisely spent all the time but afaik that particular thing did not occur.

I hope you are referring to the raffle claim by Odium
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Quicksilver on 19-04-2017, 16:04:50
Quote from: Stronkie on 19-04-2017, 12:04:39
All the raffle-games I gave away , were from people who donated their Humble Bundle keys . (Me and Quicksilver donated the most keys ). Not a single penny was used from the donation money. The last Streams I did , in which I gave away keys , were from my own Humble Bundle keys.

Sorry for not seeing this sort of thing earlier, but yes I can confirm that all of the game giveaways for those raffles etc. were from private collections (mainly Humble Bundle sales) and I know that Stronkie, Mathew90 and a number of others including myself all donated spare keys for games. In fact, we actually purchased Humble Bundle packs just to them give away in raffles for F|H members (I know I purchased a number of packs just to give away).

So please Odium, retract that comment from your post at the very least and perhaps even apologise for any accusations related to it?
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: PapillonFH on 19-04-2017, 16:04:49
Yes Stronkie I meant that. I was not involved personally in these raffles but Quicksilver was and clearly states that it was not as odium suspects.
So I would urge to stop the mudflinging and retracting these wrong accusations.

Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Stubbfan on 19-04-2017, 17:04:12
Please keep those kind of discussions either on respective community forum or in PM's. Goes for all parts.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: x4fun ODIUM on 20-04-2017, 00:04:18
It is simply like this: I did not accuse, I asked questions. Read and prove me wrong.
So I will not edit anything that I have said in the above posts.

May I quote my post:
Quote from: x4fun ODIUM on 15-04-2017, 04:04:32
We do not pay ourselves money. What money did buy the games licenses that you guys
used to hand out on your big raffles? Where did the money come from? Where did the thousands
of Euros from the donation drives each year go? Into stable gaming servers for FH2? Really?

Some food for thought...


If you do not want these questions to be asked, you could have simply
been more transparent in your finances. If you ask for big amounts
of money, people will get interested in what you spend it on.

If Quicksilver says that the money was not spent on raffles, then I do* believe him.
The problem is the intransparency in the FHT financing that lead to all these questions
being asked - not just by me.

No, Stronkie, telling people to edit their posts just because you do not like what you
read about your own community - that is not transparency.

Thanks to buddydog for his reply. That was a constructive one.
Now let's get on with it and build some FH2 tournaments.
Whatever the names are. As said, [762] will allow each party,
FHT and CMP gaming to advertise in our forums.
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: dutch on 27-05-2017, 19:05:54
Text removed. Like said above, keep it to PM's or on respective community site. -Stubbfan
Title: Re: Announcing New FH2 Community, CMP-Gaming
Post by: Stubbfan on 28-05-2017, 20:05:42
Quote from: Stubbfan on 19-04-2017, 17:04:12
Please keep those kind of discussions either on respective community forum or in PM's. Goes for all parts.

I thought i was clear on this.