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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #855 on: 13-09-2013, 23:09:56 »
Tried HB, found it fucking boring to chase after one plane for five minutes only to run out of ammo after finally killing him.

You're doing it wrong then, man. Most armament (.50s - on pretty much any US ac or cannons - any other nation) can deal with an enemy plane in a short burst or two, the trick is to hit properly and not to spray like a mad man (AB habit I guess). Ofc in order to have the highest chance of hitting where you want to is to get as close as possible and then open fire (think E. Hartmann) - I actually had my convergence set at 400-500 m in my HB beginnings and my performance was mediocre at best, but then I read something about that nasty fella and started setting my convergence closer and closer.. while my kills per sortie were gradually increasing. I stopped at 200 m, but went to 150 m last night when trying to get the G-6 to work and it sure helped, dealing with its low velocity cannon (there's obviously no need for convergence for a nose cannon, but if you enable vertical targeting...). Oh and the farther you're shooting the damage output is also dropping accordingly (afaik).

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #856 on: 14-09-2013, 00:09:44 »
Question: What's a worthy replacement for my Me410 A1/B something, the first 4x20 MG 151 version.

Anyway, I could even buy the B3 or whatever its name is, the 2x30mm one, but that thing is slow, slow, and only good for hunting big bombers, if it can catch them. B25s running away like crabs from an octopus.

So, should I buy the He111 - H16 or just wait and replace it with the FW190 in a few days? Or put back the Stuka G2 in action? I really don't like the fact it can't turn or even position itself for attack, unlike the Ju87 which turns faster but is generally weak and slow.

Maybe some bombing runs, but the He111s get knocked out as if they are of paper, I know, I shoot them down like nothing. B25s on the other hand are hard nuts.

Or should I get something italian, a fighter preferably, the bombers suck, I shot them down too.

I want to fill that slot with something remotely useful and I don't want to use the old He112 B, I hardly tolerate Bf109 E3s ammo output as it is.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #857 on: 14-09-2013, 00:09:04 »
112B is awesome knackie, I don't know what you are on  :P

I can't get into the 410s personally. I've got one and they are like retarded ducks in the sky.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #858 on: 14-09-2013, 01:09:19 »
Ya, it's small and kind of fast, but has little ammo and doesn't really pack a punch.

I take that back, I just shot down a B25 with it.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #859 on: 14-09-2013, 02:09:12 »
Tried HB, found it fucking boring to chase after one plane for five minutes only to run out of ammo after finally killing him. Didn't even make it halfway back to the airfield before the match ended. Match after that it took me 5 effing minutes to get my Beaufighter from the airfield to a proper altitude and anywhere near the actual battlefield.


Nope, I enjoy the chaos and speed of AB much more.

Means you just suck at it, no offense. I know it's not for everyone.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #860 on: 14-09-2013, 09:09:39 »
I kinda hate the HB "elite" with there elitism. Reminds of the PR assholes constantly dissing us FH2's.

I did a good set of HB battles and i find them fun but i will never do HB alone. I have had good time doing a typhoon squad with Kuroisuki and Ciupita. But doing that alone? nah
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #861 on: 14-09-2013, 11:09:06 »
I kinda hate the HB "elite" with there elitism. Reminds of the PR assholes constantly dissing us FH2's.

I did a good set of HB battles and i find them fun but i will never do HB alone. I have had good time doing a typhoon squad with Kuroisuki and Ciupita. But doing that alone? nah
Hah! You should see WT forums "HB battlers are realism you arcade noob casual". It's kinda silly really.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #862 on: 14-09-2013, 11:09:01 »
Hah! You should see WT forums "HB battlers are realism you arcade noob casual". It's kinda silly really.

Yeah they aren't exactly "realism" but it's a fact that it takes more "skill" (not necessary skill, just knowledge of how stuff works) to win in HB. In arcade, on the contrary, if you have a plane with decent guns and half a brain, you can still shoot down stuff, even with your eyes closed...

And Theta, say what you want but PR is a lot more teamwork-oriented than FH2, that's a fact. Going alone in PR is a sure way to get yourself killed, especially if you have no clue where the enemy is (and because the maps are so ridiculously massive, you almost never have any clue where the enemy is, until you actually spot him)
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #863 on: 14-09-2013, 12:09:18 »
And what? that makes one "better" then another? I play how i damn well want to. I do not hiss HB people, but HB people damn well do the opposite towards AB players.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #864 on: 14-09-2013, 12:09:56 »
Hah! You should see WT forums "HB battlers are realism you arcade noob casual". It's kinda silly really.
Yeah they aren't exactly "realism" but it's a fact that it takes more "skill" (not necessary skill, just knowledge of how stuff works) to win in HB. In arcade, on the contrary, if you have a plane with decent guns and half a brain, you can still shoot down stuff, even with your eyes closed...
I know it does, but its the "Oh I'm so much better than you" attitude that you can see from HB players that I find really silly.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #865 on: 14-09-2013, 14:09:07 »
Means you just suck at it, no offense. I know it's not for everyone.

I meant it as a general consensus, I don't have that every round (duh). Comparing HB to AB is like comparing PR to FH2. It has NOTHING to do with skill at all, everyone can pull the trigger. The only difference is that they require different kinds of approach and not everyone likes those. While I love playing PR as realistically as possible, I don't like WT's historical battles because I simply find it boring pretending I'm a real pilot.

I have 60-80% win ratio on my Spitfires/Beaufighters (K/D ratio of 3 or higher) in AB, because of the way I play it. If I could be bothered to play HB like it's meant to I could have the same, but I just don't give a shit about taking off at an airfield and having to climb for the next five minutes. I play WT because I want some action, so for me HB is fucking boring and AB is fun. Skill isn't part of the equation.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #866 on: 14-09-2013, 15:09:18 »
I think that many people exagerate the elitism thing too much, good point on that. But as McCoskey said - it takes some skill and yes, HB takes more skill than AB. Now people might bring a shitstorm on me, but I played both gamemodes alot and have a comparison.
In HB you have much more tactical possibilities that you have to take into account. In AB I see where the enemy is spawning, endless ammunition, no physical limits. And this alone takes alot of the game. It doesn't have anything to do with skill to fly over the enemy bomber spawn and rape them with a ufo where you can point your nose into any direction you like. The distances are just too short aswell.

I play AB from time to time too and I played it alot when I started playing WT, but it is a far bigger step to get used to HB. It is easy to say, that you would have the same K/D or whatever in HB as in AB. Then I will tell you that it takes alot more than just saying it. A lone Beaufighter is easy food for the BF 109 and you will require aleast one squadmate to get the maximum out of it. But yeah, you seem to know it better.

Have fun with whatever you like, but it is mabye not that bad to listen to people who saw both sides of the medal. And Sanders story proves even more what I am talking about. Have a nice day ;)

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #867 on: 14-09-2013, 19:09:28 »
My story proves nothing, I'm saying that skill is not really a factor in either game mode but that the true difference is what tactics you use and how much you bother with them. I play WT mostly just for some quick rounds in between stuff, so I want action instead of realism. Anyone can learn approach and evasion tactics (sure, some to more effect than others), it's just a matter of how much time and effort someone is willing to spend learning and perfecting those. I for one don't have the patience in this game.

You pretend AB is just like clicking a mouse button but it too requires special tactics and manouvring, just ones of a different manner. You can still abuse physics to some extend (slowing down while being chased) and the only way to survive the clusterfuck is to fly around constantly watching your surroundings and avoiding tunnel vision while attacking.

Personally I could easily get good at HB if I wanted to, but I just find the realism too boring. I willingly choose action, and it doesn't make me a lesser player than HB people pretending to be elitsts.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #868 on: 14-09-2013, 19:09:40 »
Impressions of the FW190A5? Getting it soon, want to know if worthy.

Also, how do those 4 extra doom cannons affect its perfomance? I can't imagine them being necessary all the time...perhaps for the bomber-killing Bulge mission.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #869 on: 14-09-2013, 20:09:46 »
I can't get into the 410s personally. I've got one and they are like retarded ducks in the sky.
Say that to the 6 kg a second of lead and explosives ripping your plane apart  ;D
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