We really need the PE-2 in FH2...Ommitting this plane is unacceptable.
The PE-2 was originally designed as an escort figther(in a prison!) Petlyakov's team got 45 days of evil commies to convert it into a divebomber.
Quote from: THeTA0123 on 20-08-2012, 19:08:09We really need the PE-2 in FH2...Ommitting this plane is unacceptable.Hey, modeling and texturing tools are easy enough to find--if you want something in the mod, learn to model and make a well-rounded application!
Legend has it that scores of Panthers and Tigers were smashed by endless waves of T-34's, which is kinda interesting since no Panthers and four (sorry, memory failed about three) Tigers (out of initial 35 in the entire II SS PzKorps) were operational (15 total, but operational on paper is not the same as being able to fire and manoeuver). So there would be ~200 German tanks, mostly III and IV, with the odd StuG, II, and 38(t)) versus ~800 Soviet tanks (not all committed to action), ~450 T-34's, ~250 T-70's and the odd Churchill, SU-76, and SU-122 (no 85's or 152's). So the largest tank battle in history is actually either the Battle of Hannut or the Battle of Gembloux, in both of which almost 700 Panzers faced ~600 French tanks. (Would really be in the spirit of FH to have either or both in the mod!)The weather was not dusty, but rainy and muddy, hampering tank movement. Rain was in intermittent showers, however, allowing massive air operations on both sides, fighter strength being too low on both sides to prevent these much (or in some cases, at all). Too bad most of the Soviet air raids were against 48th Panzer Korps, not against II SS Pz Korps. Visibility was often obscured by smoke, not dust; "dust" might or might not have originally been a translation error (so even reading a correct primary source one can arrive at the wrong conclusion).The II SS PzKorps lost from 5 July to 23 July 36 tanks fully destroyed, 19 of which were between 5 July and 11 July, so at most 17 were completely lost at Prokhorovka.By their own account, the Soviets lost 400 tanks to repairable damage (to all causes; losses to aircraft were particularly heavy). This in addition to those lost to irrepairable. Total losses would be around ~600, because on July 13 the 5th Guards Tank army had 150 to 200 tanks (out of initial ~800) still operational.Tactically, it was a German victory, on a strategic scale, it was another Charge of the Light Brigade or Operations Market/Garden, because dear old Gefreiter then finally proved he only had one ball and instead of throwing the panzer reserves into the gap made by II SS - remember that Prokhorovka was a Soviet counterattack because the Germans had already made it through the defensive line there and would have been able to break through in their rear if not checked - made another of his strategically sound decisions to cancel the entire Zitadelle offensive and withdraw the entire II SS PzKorps which made no frakking sense, considering that it was the unit that was furthest into the gap and the Leibstandarte could and would never make it to Sicily in time. The Leibstandarte did leave their (still functional) heavy equipment behind (however, Das Reich and Totenkopf would put it into good use), however, which would further help to fuel the "SS were pwn3d" legend.http://www.uni.edu/~licari/citadel.htmhttp://stonebooks.com/archives/001002.shtmlhttp://www.historynet.com/battle-of-kursk-germanys-lost-victory-in-world-war-ii.htm
So, we are talking about "the largest" tank battle in a day in history? Or what?Is Kursk salient still the host to the biggest tank battle? Or is it simply popular myth debunked? I'm still unsure with Kelmola's post.
I'd rather play Kimble with my ass!