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« Reply #2445 on: 22-05-2013, 20:05:28 »
Hmmm not made out of woodenboards and 2by4, something fishy is going on here.

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« Reply #2446 on: 23-05-2013, 00:05:32 »
I see K98 prices on the market are rising, now it's somewhere along 500$ a rifle, a while back I could get one for 200€  :-\
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« Reply #2447 on: 23-05-2013, 00:05:10 »
Seriously? I should have jumped on that, I usually don't trade those kind of rifles.
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« Reply #2448 on: 17-06-2013, 22:06:33 »
Some posts got moved to the new Metal Detecting Thread to keep it all easy.
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« Reply #2449 on: 18-06-2013, 20:06:32 »
Alright i have a question but i was not sure where to ask it but here seems a bit appropriate:

What's the deal with Russians designing weapons using 7.62 from pistols to rifles?

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« Reply #2450 on: 18-06-2013, 20:06:40 »
you mean, why the russians use the 7.62mm calibre?

why not 7.85?

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« Reply #2451 on: 18-06-2013, 20:06:55 »
Yeah why using the 7,62 always rather than smaller calibre on pistols, SMG's...

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« Reply #2452 on: 18-06-2013, 20:06:07 »
It was first done to ease logistics in terms of tooling. Certain parts could be used in the production of Rifles smgs and pistols

for example, tap drills wich were becoming worn out for mosin nagant production, were re-sharpend and then used for PPSH/PPS/Tokarov production as accuracy was not affected at short ranges by these tools.

Also mosin nagants who were battle damaged, had there barrels canibalized, cut in half, and used for PPS/PPSH production. If lets say, the russians used the 9mm round, they could not have done this.

Other then that, i guess nobody knows. I know that 76.2mm= 3 Inch. In metalurgy, there are many standard sizes.
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« Reply #2453 on: 19-06-2013, 13:06:33 »

tap drills wich were becoming worn out for mosin nagant production,

You sure you don't mean something else? Like a bore reamer, or a gun drill? A tap is a rather innacurate tool that is used to make a thread, and I can't see the correlation between a thread and the bore?

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« Reply #2454 on: 19-06-2013, 17:06:27 »
the thing to use to make rifling  ;D
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« Reply #2455 on: 19-06-2013, 21:06:52 »
Rifling Cutter  ;)

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« Reply #2456 on: 19-06-2013, 21:06:08 »
hahaha thank you  ;D

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« Reply #2457 on: 20-06-2013, 10:06:17 »
 The Russians standardized their ammunition types in order to ease logistic pressures. it has nothing to do with worn out tools.

 An added bonus is that a 7.62 is generally sufficient to shred anything apart and if they were to ever duke it out with NATO, it comes in handy when they can use their opponents ammunition.
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« Reply #2458 on: 20-06-2013, 10:06:06 »
if they were to ever duke it out with NATO, it comes in handy when they can use their opponents ammunition.
What NATO ammo can be used in Soviet/Russian weapons?
7.62 NATO isn´t compatible with any Russian weapon, since the heavy 7.62 (x54mm) is a rimmed cartridge, whereas 7.62x51mm NATO is a center fire cartridge.
The other Russian 7.62(x39mm) cartridge used in light machine guns and the AK47 family is shorter than the 7.62 NATO ammo, so it´s not compatible, either.
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« Reply #2459 on: 20-06-2013, 17:06:14 »
if they were to ever duke it out with NATO, it comes in handy when they can use their opponents ammunition.
What NATO ammo can be used in Soviet/Russian weapons?
7.62 NATO isn´t compatible with any Russian weapon, since the heavy 7.62 (x54mm) is a rimmed cartridge, whereas 7.62x51mm NATO is a center fire cartridge.

Now you are wrong here aswel. Both 7.62x54mmR and 7.62x51mm NATO are centerfire cartridges.  The case type for the russian one, is rimmed, and the NATO one is rimless. In the beginning of metalic cartridges, it was tought that a rimmed one would provide the best gas seal and extraction for both bolt action rifles as machine guns.

A rimless cartidge uses a groove to extract.

But neither are compatible. Nor are these bullets alike. The powder is diffrent, most 7.62x54mmR is berdan primed. The russian bullet diameter is actually 7.92mm while the 7.62x51mm NATO/.308 winchester is actually 7.82mm. you cant just pull the bullets and fire it in the other weapon.



7.62x39mm is also, not compatible.

Infact, never try to chamber a firearm for a diffrent cartidge, unless you are absolutely sure that nothing will go wrong.
The 7.5x55mm Swiss GP11 and 7.55x54.5mm MAS are almost identical in performance and size, but the chamber width is much diffrent and fire one in another...and disaster is close to happen


However with proper care, some things are compatible. .30-06 springfield and 7.62x51 NATO are not compatible. But both use eachothers bullets, powder and primers. So just get the proper cases and off you go!


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