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Title: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 14-11-2015, 02:11:34
If I'm not mistaken we're talking about 3 bombs, 6 shootouts with more than 100 dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/world/europe/paris-shooting-attacks.html?_r=0

What are your views on this.

 Trending hashtags on twitter are #pray_for_paris and #terrorism_has_no_religion.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Wilhelm on 14-11-2015, 02:11:14
It is truly horrible what has happened.  My thoughts to all those affected.  :'(
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Zoologic on 14-11-2015, 05:11:46
I woke up terribly shocked. My sympathies for the victims.

Update as of 04.39 GMT, 8 attackers found, 7 detonated themselves upon confrontation with police, one shot dead. Death toll varies between 120 (BBC, France24, Monde, Euronews) to 150 (DW, CNN, FoxNews, CCTV4). 200 mores are injured, 80 of them are critical (needing constant care and monitoring). Place bombed are: 2 bombs detonated at the entrance of Stade De France, St. Dennis during Germany vs. France game, followed by shootings in 5 different places near cafe streets including a concert hall staging a rock concert full of audience (most of the victim).

#terrorism_has_no_religion is unnecessary and obvious. Even if this act is associated with one religious extremists, they have already attacked so many of their "so-called brothers in faith" that you don't need to dissociate yourself from those lunatics for healthy minded people to judge.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Torenico on 14-11-2015, 14:11:42
It's a shame, I knew it was going to be a massacre once someone from inside the theatre tweeted "They're killing everybody". These people have no mercy for anyone, they did their job, killing everyone they could.

And of course, here comes the Far-Right groups that will surely do their thing too, we cannot let these idiots take the power either.


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Anyways, I understand the pain of having 100+ dead in Paris, it is indeed terrible, however I don't see many "Hashtags" when similar things happen in Lybia, in Beirut, in Gaza, Syria, Irak.... and so on, massacres there happen almost daily.


Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 14-11-2015, 15:11:20
It happens daily cause its a civil fucking war. Can't confuse a war with a country which is at peace.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Torenico on 14-11-2015, 16:11:49
I'm sorry but France is part of the US-led Coalition, technically, they're in war with the Daesh, and they should be in war with the rest of the "Moderates" like Al-Nusra, but hey. You simply need to expect these things, cancerous Daesh fights like this, we know it, we all know it, it's how they fight, cowardly or not it's their way.


How quickly the Beirut victims are forgotten, despite having 100% civilian casualties. But who gives a damn about Lebanon, no?, they're in that shithole place we call "Middle East" after all. Civil War or not, they're doing the same thing as they did in Paris, exclusively targetting Civilian Populations.


This is a tragedy yes, but we can't just ignore what's going on elsewhere.

Have we forgotten about Boko Haram?.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Sgt.KAR98 on 14-11-2015, 16:11:59
Strange that I've heard shortly before that a bomb was found/suspected to be on the german's team hotel at Paris. I expected the security forces to be ready and aware. Really bad,yesterday Europe looked to be in a good mood,with all those matches happening,now everybody either is mourning their dead or afraid.

But like Torenico said,now everyone can expect a large french reprisal,not on ISIL unfortunately,but rather on argelians,moroccans,tunisians,syrians,maybe senegalese and mosques on Paris.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Zoologic on 14-11-2015, 17:11:44
Yes, there is a bomb in Beirut, killing about 40+ people. It is sad to see "The Paris of Middle East" turned into a battleground by hardliners.

And now this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34822666

Derailed train killed 5 in France.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Kelmola on 14-11-2015, 20:11:43
Syrian airstrikes have been almost exclusively carried out by the US and the UK, with marginal help from the "coalition" (Australia since two months ago, Canada a while longer). France only joined the airstrikes against ISIS little over a month ago, AFTER that ISIS hangaround managed to jam his AK-47 (literally what) in the train and failed in his unprovoked massacre. Which just proves that things like ISIS won't go away by simply ignoring them and you can be a target even if you did not be a part of any "coalition".

Also, leaving ISIS alone if we have the means to stop them is not morally sound, as their regime is guilty beyond reasonable doubt of genocide and torture.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Kalkalash on 14-11-2015, 21:11:21
I don't exactly follow ISIS' motive behind these attacks. The only thing it's going to lead to is tighter border control and more anger towards them. I guess the overall tensions between muslims and the rest might lead to ISIS' popularity and increase in recruitment, but I kind of doubt it.

The sick part of me kind of wants ISIS to do this thing in Russia. Then they would get the absolute shit kicked out of them after that.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: NTH on 14-11-2015, 23:11:40
I don't exactly follow ISIS' motive behind these attacks. The only thing it's going to lead to is tighter border control and more anger towards them. I guess the overall tensions between muslims and the rest might lead to ISIS' popularity and increase in recruitment, but I kind of doubt it.

The sick part of me kind of wants ISIS to do this thing in Russia. Then they would get the absolute shit kicked out of them after that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/world/europe/sinai-peninsula-russian-plane-crash.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/world/europe/sinai-peninsula-russian-plane-crash.html?_r=0)

My guess all of the attackers, just like with Charlie Hebdo are born and raised in France. The Banlieue are a good breeding ground for angry and frustrated young men who turn to extreme idiocy to vent their frustration. Bleh frigging nutcases.

Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 14-11-2015, 23:11:24
Syrian airstrikes have been almost exclusively carried out by the US and the UK, with marginal help from the "coalition" (Australia since two months ago, Canada a while longer).
Watched some TV programs on it just now, turns out France has been bombing ISIS in Iraq for a while. Also, like NTH says, French banlieues are a big cause for breeding trouble among muslims in France.

What I fear, is that most western governments will start to fight the symptoms again, instead of rooting out the causes.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Kalkalash on 15-11-2015, 08:11:11
Well, according to the French ministry of interior the attackers had Syrian and Egyptian passports and according to a Greek source, one of the attackers passed through Greece in October as a migrant. So the attackers seem to have (partial) origins outside France.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: THeTA0123 on 15-11-2015, 13:11:40


And of course, here comes the Far-Right groups that will surely do their thing too, we cannot let these idiots take the power either.

The problem at the moment is caused by politically correct radical left winged parties wich have grasped their grip on europe for the past years. They caused all of this mess, because they wanna do everything opposite of right winged. In fear of return of facism. But look at what got us that

So pretty much, people need to understand that both far right and radical left winged parties are both equally responsible for killings, for pain, suffering... That both are bad.


What we had to do was take a middle way. Both left and right have very good arguments, choises, ideas, you name it. But we have been forced to think either black or white.


Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
Its time to throw out all old political parties and start a-new

I fear for the lives of my friends, but we are all pretty much helpless. All i can do, is teach them a few basic rules, like stay calm, evacuate, look for emergency exits, if a shooting starts and you are caught in the middle, drop dead on the floor..


Unless they finnaly approve that we can carry weapons in public. In that case, i will take my military entrenchement tool with me everywhere! Show ISIS a thing or 2 when i bitch slap them in the face with my trusty bundeswehr spaten!
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 15-11-2015, 13:11:15
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Its time to throw out all old political parties and start a-new
Not gonna solve anything.

Unless they finnaly approve that we can carry weapons in public.
Yeah, that's a great idea! Let's enhance the chance of a public shooting even more!
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 15-11-2015, 14:11:48
Left isn't necessarily commie. Greece has a left party in charge. Other than that most governments are either left or left leaning.

Where are public shootings in the US? Schools and "Gun Free zones". Take it like this: You know a country rich in oil is going to abolish its army, and that a country right next to it just acquired improved weapons. Which country are you going to invade to feed your oil hungry citizens? If there is opposition the death toll decreases. Sure a fucknut will try to shoot people, but when people start shooting back the victims will be in the dozens, not hundreds.


Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 15-11-2015, 14:11:53
Left isn't necessarily commie.
I know, but if you talk about right being fascist (like TheTA did when referencing the destruction of Europe)), then left is commie. Otherwise the comparison is void.

When at the Bataclan on Friday people in the audience would have had guns, there would have been more victims. It's an illusion to think that they would have been able to immediately take out the attackers without killing bystanders. More guns = more bullets being fired = more victims. But before we turn this into another gun control vs gun rights discussion, maybe we should focus more on the subject of the first post.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Ts4EVER on 15-11-2015, 15:11:08
The problem at the moment is caused by politically correct radical left winged parties wich have grasped their grip on europe for the past years.

Ha! The idiocy...

Let me break it down for you: For years in Europe countries used to have basically two major parties, with a bunch of fringe parties for forming coalitions. One was slighty right of center, the other slightly left of center and they basically took turns ruling. In the recent past a new paradigm is forming (most obviously in the USA).

You still have two main parties, but one is culturally liberal (on immigration, sexual stuff, abortion etc), the other is increasingly anti-immigrant and socially conservative in general (Republicans in the US, Le Pen in France etc).

Here is the thing however: economically, both are radically capitalist. Both are more than willing to sell their electorate out in the interest of "free markets". Pussy politically correct liberals and bone head nationalists and conservatives beat each other up, while the system fucks them both in the asses.

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And of course, here comes the Far-Right groups that will surely do their thing too, we cannot let these idiots take the power either.

True, but the liberals shouldn't remain in power either. What we need is something more in the direction of Syriza, a properly left party that doesn't go along with all the free market ideological bullshit. Believe me Theta, the immigrants are not your enemy. If anything, you should ally with them and hang some bankers.

This whole bullshit about "culture" is false. It's something for liberal leftists to play with while leaving the system intact. Struggles that used to be political are now framed in terms of culture or, even worse, "identity". Right wingers say: We need to protect our national identity! Liberals say: I need to be able to live my identity as a pansexual whateverkin! Well you are both in luck, cause capitalism doesn't care what identity you have, as long as you turn a profit and consume. What I would say: Fuck identities, do politics!
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 15-11-2015, 16:11:15
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Hollande?


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 15-11-2015, 16:11:43
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Hollande?


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)
Check your facts, Hollande is not a communist.

Being against immigrants is an opinon, I respect that, but realise that many of your fellow countrymen are immigrants in western Europe too.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 15-11-2015, 17:11:51
Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
In which European countries the communist parties are the biggest and actually ruling? I don't know any of them.

Hollande?


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)
Check your facts, Hollande is not a communist.

Being against immigrants is an opinon, I respect that, but realise that many of your fellow countrymen are immigrants in western Europe too.

But we assimilate to other society and don't blow up anybody, can't see the difference? Or socialist policy  already spoiled your brain?
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: LuckyOne on 15-11-2015, 17:11:33
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... Ts4EVER's post ...

Finally someone who understands it should never be us and them as in us Christians and them Muslims. This is not how the world should work. Every culture and religion (and even no religion) in its core promotes the same moral tenets: be kind to your neighbors (or at least live and let live) and fight against those who oppress you (either through peaceful or non-peaceful means).

It's just that we are subtly (or in some countries not so subtly) brainwashed by them (the world's richest and most corrupt people who basically follow no true religion or morals) to believe in the system as an unshakable truth and keep the current state: them getting richer and more powerful by the day, and us, the common folk believing we are  "preserving our freedoms" by fighting the fabricated "common enemy" and getting distracted by all the glitter they are constantly throwing in our face.

It doesn't even have to be capitalism. You have the same thing in communist countries. And any other socio-economical system that has been tried to date.

So history constantly repeats the cycle. The people finally realize there is a problem, "unite and revolt" and put new guys in charge, change the system. But the new guys get corrupted by the power and money and start stirring up trouble so their not so nice deeds can pass unnoticed. Until the sheep wake up again. Only this time with the rise of technology and mass consumerism the sheep are in a state of induced coma with little hope of realizing what's really happening around them.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Captain Pyjama Shark on 15-11-2015, 18:11:17
Are you telling me that we live in the Matrix?
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Butcher on 15-11-2015, 18:11:40
Horrible things.

I don´t like how some Muslims claim that those terrorists "weren´t Muslims". Imagine I would claim that Germans wouldn´t have any responsibility for the Holocaust because those "were the Nazis and not Germans".

I would like to see some more action against extremists from the 95% moderate Muslims. Currently it seems to me they are more busy cleaning their image in the media rather than doing anything.

Meanwhile we have Salafists preaching the Sharia in Germany and nobody does anything against it. The freedom of religion has to be protected but only until it attacks the rights of others. If someone claims that beating your wife is okay or that assaulting someone who insults Muhammad is your duty, then you should be forbidden to preach. If you continue to do so, you should be put into jail.

I feel the state does very little against those radicals who are currently recruiting frustrated immigrants. And here is where moderate Muslims should help. The moment they notice someone preaching hate, they should report him. They should do something and start acting against radicalism. All I see however is people crying how unfair it is that those extremists call themselves Muslims too.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 15-11-2015, 19:11:54
But we assimilate to other society and don't blow up anybody, can't see the difference? Or socialist policy  already spoiled your brain?
I haven't seen Poles blowing up stuff, you are correct about that. But you act like most people who scream on the internet without giving it any thought: you blame all muslims/immigrants for a problem caused by a group.

But hey, I already know that you can't see the difference, seeing the fact that you think my "brain is spoiled". You also don't have your facts straight, as we could see with you calling Hollande a communist.

Have fun being narrowminded.

Btw: http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/terrorism-the-other-religions.html
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 15-11-2015, 23:11:29
Btw: http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/terrorism-the-other-religions.html

Buhahahahah!  ;D German nazists and Soviet Russia are also counted as "Christians"?  ;D
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 16-11-2015, 00:11:39
Buhahahahah!  ;D German nazists and Soviet Russia are also counted as "Christians"?  ;D
You are doing great in continuing to show your ignorance. If you really think there is no link whatsoever between Nazi Germany and the church, I suggest to go and read some books on it. If you don't have the time for that, watch this (not the best example maybe, but an example at least): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj27wm0Wfxg

About Soviets you have a point, although just partially: the author writes a nuance in his text about the Russians, but I'm not surprised that got lost on you.

Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 16-11-2015, 01:11:17
Cool... You have more movies based on "historical facts"? Anyway Nazists didn't kill in the name of God. And this comparision for XX century is quite false taking the fact that we had two World Wars in that period in Europe... Anyway, I don't care - Western Europe countries are already lost...
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Dukat on 16-11-2015, 01:11:56

The problem at the moment is caused by politically correct radical left winged parties wich have grasped their grip on europe for the past years. They caused all of this mess, because they wanna do everything opposite of right winged. In fear of return of facism. But look at what got us that

So pretty much, people need to understand that both far right and radical left winged parties are both equally responsible for killings, for pain, suffering... That both are bad.


What we had to do was take a middle way. Both left and right have very good arguments, choises, ideas, you name it. But we have been forced to think either black or white.


Right winged destroyed europe in 1945, now the left winged are doing it.
Its time to throw out all old political parties and start a-new


Theta, we're visiting this forum for longer, I like and respect you, and here comes the but:

There are 385 million people in europe and after 140 died you fear for your life. You're obviously much to spoiled by the compfortable life you got, having stuck your but to the central heating. You are the perfect victim for radical islamic suicidebombers who only wait to set you in fear, selling your constitutional rights for the safety of your butt glued to the heating.

On top of that, it was mostly conservative parties who created the current constitutions in european countries after the last devastating war.
It is the same conservative parties constantly trying to demount the given constitutional rights each day. And now you blame the socialist parties for not letting the conservatives demount the constitutions and consider the socialists destroying europe by a fictional grip you see them to have over europe.

You got a strange viewpoint there.


Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)

This is the very next problem. You're someone from an eastern european country. We'd like to see a united europe so much, but in the current hour the differences turn out.
Eastern Europe was ruled for 50 years by the communist party. The communist party had a different ideology than the fascists, but the means in implementing the ideology to the people are the same. Both factions rely on phasing unions and cultural organisations while banning non government organisations. Both rely on youth organisations, flag ceremonies, nationalism, and hampering mobility in all means, both citizen mobility and foreigner/immigration mobility. This is the system that ruled eastern europe for generations.

If you're thinking of the good old days your grandparents lived in, it was totalism. You're not really free, the cage is still in your head and you do not dare to look beyond.

You would have probably been better off staying with Putin and Russia.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 16-11-2015, 01:11:13
Fortunately we have just choosen conservative party, which is against immigrants!  8)

This is the very next problem. You're someone from an eastern european country. We'd like to see a united europe so much, but in the current hour the differences turn out.
Eastern Europe was ruled for 50 years by the communist party. The communist party had a different ideology than the fascists, but the means in implementing the ideology to the people are the same. Both factions rely on phasing unions and cultural organisations while banning non government organisations. Both rely on youth organisations, flag ceremonies, nationalism, and hampering mobility in all means, both citizen mobility and foreigner/immigration mobility. This is the system that ruled eastern europe for generations.

If you're thinking of the good old days your grandparents lived in, it was totalism. You're not really free, the cage is still in your head and you do not dare to look beyond.

You would have probably been better off staying with Putin and Russia.

United Europe? You mean such Europe where Angela says how many "poor' refugees which country must take? Yeah, thanks so much for such union...

The period between Word Wars was the best time of Polish modern history. I wonder how this could be possible to build all the economy, army, education system so quickly from scratch after over 100 years of occupation. Comparing our todays 25 years of freedom to those 21 years... It's simply abyss... Especially if we take under consideration that we fought against Soviet Russia and had deep political crisis in the meantime of those 21 years... Reason? In that time we had authoritarian regime... We Poles need a dictator to rule our country! Otherwise we will have government full of thieves - we have more deputies than USA! This is madness!

Here is the video from our Independence March from this week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7xqwm_c1_k

We have our identity. And you?
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Zoologic on 16-11-2015, 16:11:47
And who cares, Mudzin? Really. If it is meant to be shown off, who is going to look at it in awe at your entire instruments of death that you possess by using all those tax money from your puny economy?

All third-world nations are busy doing that, teaching it to the kids, telling the backward-minded people that it is "positive" and "morally sound".

Nobody remembers Casimir III the Great who protected the Jews. Everybody remembers Napoleon who kill thousands to realise his ambition. In today's world, nobody can be coerced into admiring a nation by having an extravagant display of force, how much death they could cause, how we should be fearful (and helplessly hateful) towards them. We were taught to remember our "great people" who murdered people of other nations. It was all blood, peril, and murder we celebrate. Everybody complained about violence in media, yet this was okay. And you criticise some religious fanatics for glorifying violence?

I began to question, what separates the people of Europe & North America from the rest of the world? Surely it isn't money. Because China, Korea, and Japan has money. But they don't get it, probably yet.

A proper first or second world nation displays positive modern nationalism by showing how much its people love their country. With all of its pomps and circumstances, the Brits wins my heart. Hands down. No guns, no uniforms, no need for massive rehearsal taxing the people, no need for posing for the camera. Just regular several grand quid-paying audience who probably put all of their savings so they can rhyme with the others "...Make Thee Mightier Yet!"

I admire death-defying positive courage, like those football fans singing "La Marseillaise" together in the exit hallway in the wake of terror. You can see immigrants, black people, all singing their anthems defiantly. It worth much more than goose-stepping parade, nuclear ICBM-touting 10,000 men parade People's Republic of China, Korea, or other backward nations are proudly pulling. The obviously fake-rehearsed-smile of the audiences made for TV doesn't cut it, only for the regimes and people who pay for it. And denying, erasing your record book won't make me admire your nation even more. Nobody expect someone to be 100% perfect, blemish-free. To see people genuinely holding hand with his fellows, immigrants or native born, for common bond they share, makes me want to join them, celebrating their national identity they proudly uphold even in difficult moments.

This is why some people want to emigrate to your country.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Roughbeak on 16-11-2015, 18:11:16
Let's keep this on topic, folks, or I would have to move your posts!
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 16-11-2015, 20:11:22
Cool... You have more movies based on "historical facts"? Anyway Nazists didn't kill in the name of God. And this comparision for XX century is quite false taking the fact that we had two World Wars in that period in Europe... Anyway, I don't care - Western Europe countries are already lost...
I said "if you don't have time to read books", but of course you leave that out again. It's quite typical of your replies: you pick one thing out of ten (probably because you can't argue on the other nine) and then start nitpicking on it. So, I'll happily leave you in your not so lost conservative Poland which apparently needs a dictatorship and can survive on it's own without any contact with the outside world. I hope you enjoy life in fantasyland!
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Alubat on 16-11-2015, 21:11:49
I understand the revenge feeling. But I do not agree with the "We are at war" George Bush attitude solution against IS will make anything better
Putting troops on the ground in Syria is now closer, but maybe the nest will just spread out

What EU need! is more jobs, too make the "not getting pussy guys" a little more happy and make them stay away from Negative preaching, Hooliganism, Adrenaline war rush etc.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 16-11-2015, 21:11:46
I understand the revenge feeling. But I do not agree with the "We are at war" George Bush attitude solution against IS will make anything better
Putting troops on the ground in Syria is now closer, but maybe the nest will just spread out

What EU need! is more jobs, too make the "not getting pussy guys" a little more happy and make them stay away from Negative preaching, Hooliganism, Adrenaline war rush etc.
Agreed. I'm almost sure that the nest will spread out. And I wonder who will try to put troops on the ground. Obama won't, he doesn't want to go to war in his last year. Putin? I think he has his hands full with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics. EU doesn't have the power. So I think boots on the ground is still pretty far away. Especially since there are several attacks being prevented each year, which gives the security services a reason to have some self confidence.

More jobs in EU would be nice, though :)
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 16-11-2015, 22:11:06
More jobs for who? I hope you don't mean for muslims...
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Khaine on 16-11-2015, 23:11:19
Agreed. I'm almost sure that the nest will spread out. And I wonder who will try to put troops on the ground. Obama won't, he doesn't want to go to war in his last year. Putin? I think he has his hands full with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics. EU doesn't have the power. So I think boots on the ground is still pretty far away. Especially since there are several attacks being prevented each year, which gives the security services a reason to have some self confidence.

More jobs in EU would be nice, though :)

You forgot about the two regional powers which are Saudi Arabia and Iran, ISIS is their common ennemy and it would be in their best interest to take them out. They are not best friends at all, but you can say the same about US and Russia, and yet the cooperation could increase between the latters.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Slayer on 17-11-2015, 00:11:00
You forgot about the two regional powers which are Saudi Arabia and Iran, ISIS is their common ennemy and it would be in their best interest to take them out. They are not best friends at all, but you can say the same about US and Russia, and yet the cooperation could increase between the latters.
That's a possibility indeed, but since they both don't have a past with foreign interventions, I still doubt that they will do it. Syria and Iraq will loathe Arab intervention and the Arab League will have to do much work to restore a working order.

More jobs for who? I hope you don't mean for muslims...
For the best qualified people, muslim or not. You have no trouble being utterly racist, I see.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 17-11-2015, 13:11:54
More jobs for who? I hope you don't mean for muslims...
For the best qualified people, muslim or not. You have no trouble being utterly racist, I see.

Yeah, so If some guy (muslim) from dirty shithole somewhere in the 3rd world will take your job, it will be ok for you?
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Sander93 on 17-11-2015, 13:11:13
Yeah, so If some guy (muslim) from dirty shithole somewhere in the 3rd world will take your job, it will be ok for you?

If someone like that takes your job, you're doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Mudzin on 17-11-2015, 17:11:23
Yeah, so If some guy (muslim) from dirty shithole somewhere in the 3rd world will take your job, it will be ok for you?

If someone like that takes your job, you're doing something wrong.

No, he simply can demand less money...
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Ts4EVER on 17-11-2015, 18:11:39
Yeah, so If some guy (muslim) from dirty shithole somewhere in the 3rd world will take your job, it will be ok for you?

If someone like that takes your job, you're doing something wrong.

No, he simply can demand less money...

In that case your beef is not with him, but with capitalism. Also, you're banned.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: MaJ.P.Bouras on 17-11-2015, 21:11:30
Saw a nice video from an Aussie news thingy.

found it:
https://youtu.be/dmKpm_9BtHc

If you are a believer do as Jesus said. Turn the other cheek and help the immigrants rather than help ISIS by chasing them away.

Still i would personally love to see each and every single one of those monkeys from ISIS killed.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Erwin on 18-11-2015, 16:11:50
Still i would personally love to see each and every single one of those monkeys from ISIS killed.

Hard to do in European justice system. Remember the guy who killed 77 kids?
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Zoologic on 18-11-2015, 19:11:36
It is hard to define who is truly ISIS. Since these group barely exist beyond its inner organisation. They inspire wannabes, and stuff like this makes it easier for them:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34785357?SThisFB

Yes, converts are the easiest target, but not necessarily "radicalised". You may observe your friend now withdraw from specifically sensible secular lifestyle over religious-enforced dogma (not necessarily the better aspect of it). Some people in the West regarded this as "early sign" of radicalisation. But actually it is more than that. As long as they don't show tendency to believe in violence and extreme conviction in his belief (as shown by some members here), they are not dangerous.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Torenico on 18-11-2015, 23:11:27
Who buys Oil from Daesh?.


Heh.
Title: Re: Attacks on Paris 14/11/2015
Post by: Kelmola on 20-11-2015, 21:11:11
Who buys Oil from Daesh?
Turkey. Who conveniently also bombs almost exclusively Kurds. And where ISIS is apparently able to hunt down their opponents instead of resorting to random terror attacks. And which has done practically nothing to stop ISIS from crossing the border at will and using Turkey as a safe haven and resupply area.

Erdogan is clearly playing with fire, but hey, as long as in a time of crisis people tend to flock to their current leader and vote for him, it suits him just fine that there is a perpetual war along his southern border so people won't question too much why he's slowly but surely inching the country back towards Islamic theocracy (ummm... what was Daesh's objective again, please remind me?). Maybe he will be able to elect himself "President for Life" or rather declare himself the Caliph before Daesh gathers too much momentum. Maybe.

Of course, it's old news that buying oil from practically any Gulf state with a Sunni majority counts as indirect funding of ISIS because of the oil billionaires' tendency to aid them with millions upon untold millions of dollars (not to mention their older hobby project al-Qaeda). I hope that the Arctic and the Antarctic ice caps start to really melt down so that we can start drilling oil there instead.