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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #375 on: 17-06-2010, 19:06:46 »
S.Lainer i think its funny that you even talking about the "whole logic behind my beliefs" . I dont even have a wild idea what youre talking about.
 
   1st: you completely misunderstand something i say and think i mean all nations should be based on races,
         just because i said basicly that i disagreed that jews should be thrown out of Israel

   2nd: Then you ask me some questions about racism

   3rd: I try to explain and ask some questions to clear up things, which you dont answer

   4th: After that you have a foolish idea that you know "the whole logic behind my beliefs" while in fact you
         dont have any wild idea what im talking about.

   5th: Then your final conclusion is that nazism " is my cup of tea "

So basically what youre saying is that since i do not want the jews to be wiped out of Israel, then im a nazi? I always thought it was the other way around. Hopefully youre just trolling me, orelse i would say you have a big comunication/understanding - problem. Or maybe ive misunderstood you. Though anyhow im not a nazi, unless youre a nazi if you support palestinians versus israel.

  Never really seen you as a major douchebag on here.  So no I am not trolling you.  As to if I want to see the jews push into the sea the answer is no.  As I have said before I really could give two shits what those groups do with one another I am just sick of my nation having to dump money into a region that gives us fuck all in return.  In truth I think if all the jews disappeared tomorrow the place would be become a hell hole in no time.  The Palestinians have already proven time and again that they can't manage shit.  What I am really pondering is how cool is it have a Jewish nation at all?  The concept of a nation founded on race, ethnic background or religion just seems wrong to me.  I really can't put it any more simple than that.  If you don't get it then I give up.

Well, i pretty much agree with you actually. I guess this was just a misunderstanding. I was seeing things from a point of view based on Israel and Palestine as it is now, not if it was right to make Israel in the first place. I dont know enough about the subject to have an opinion about that matter, only about how things are today. I guess i agree that a concept of a nation founded on race, ethnic background or religion is wrong. But on the other hand i cant really see what other concepts a nation should be based on. I guess ethnic background is a good idea, but for sure not religion. Similar culture i would guess is a good foundation.
     Though i guess this isnt really a problem since very few nations are built like Israel was. Usually its a bunch of people with the same ethnic background who want to be together in a nation been there for 100s of years, and fight to be together in one nation and if theyre strong enough kill the guys on the other side of the border with different ethnic background. Unfortunately thats how it seems humans tend to act, witnessed throughout history.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #376 on: 17-06-2010, 19:06:58 »

Comon  why do you generalize about europeans just because youve heard one persons opinion ? I would rather say this indicates (not confirm, to hear one opinion doesnt confirm anything). Maybe youre just as mis-informed about europe, as you claim we are about USA. 

No, this is not based on just one European.

Heck, visit the humor thread on these very forums and you'll find racial humor posted there by europeans that would be completely condemned in the US.

And earlier you ask what "international law" im referring to. Well, the words "international law" was wrong, what i mean is that the parts of Palestine that Israel have occupied step by step after 1948 and up to modern times, is not recognized by any other nations. The reason no one recognize it is cause its no way to justify the occupation, its simply an illegal occupation quite like Hitlers occupation in the 40's.

http://www.aijac.org.au/resources/reports/international_law.html#territories

I heard the latino's (read mexicans) aren't to popular in the south for example. Infact some of them are being hunted like animals by your border patrols that aren't afraid to shoot a kid. (read article about incident, not to long ago)

LOL, our Border Patrol doesn't "hunt" anyone...instead of protecting the border the government puts up signs like this:



A lot of people wish that Border Patrol would do some more hunting, not to kill hispanics like you seem to think they enjoy doing but because there is a virtual war going on on the Mexican side of the border which is starting to spill over into the United States.


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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #377 on: 17-06-2010, 19:06:26 »
Little over a week ago a border patrol officer shot a unarmed 14 year old imigrant dead. Hunting isn't the correct term, but what would you call killing unarmed 14 year olds trowing stones? Self defence? I am sure something less drastic was possible.

souce (dutch):
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1116399/2010/06/09/Amerikaanse-grenswachter-doodt-14-jarige-Mexicaan.dhtml

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #378 on: 17-06-2010, 19:06:59 »
Little over a week ago a border patrol officer shot a unarmed 14 year old imigrant dead. Hunting isn't the correct term, but what would you call killing unarmed 14 year olds trowing stones? Self defence? I am sure something less drastic was possible.

souce (dutch):
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1116399/2010/06/09/Amerikaanse-grenswachter-doodt-14-jarige-Mexicaan.dhtml

I can't read your source, but the 14 year old in question was a drug smuggler and part of a gang which started throwing stones at the border patrol agent who was trying to make an arrest. Not exactly an innocent bystander.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #379 on: 17-06-2010, 20:06:13 »
Little over a week ago a border patrol officer shot a unarmed 14 year old imigrant dead. Hunting isn't the correct term, but what would you call killing unarmed 14 year olds trowing stones? Self defence? I am sure something less drastic was possible.

souce (dutch):
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1116399/2010/06/09/Amerikaanse-grenswachter-doodt-14-jarige-Mexicaan.dhtml
Not only that, but depending ont he distance, size of the stone (not necessarly very big) and the strength of the kid, a stone can be a very deadly weapon, as effective as a 9mm, so yeah, self defense isn't overstating the situation, especiall when there is multiple threats. Not to mention, the whole thing about fighting a minor is BS, some kids 13-17 can well look over 18, so what are they going to do, stop and ask.. hey are you a minor? I need to get offensive....plus most don't even speak english.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #380 on: 17-06-2010, 20:06:01 »
Little over a week ago a border patrol officer shot a unarmed 14 year old imigrant dead. Hunting isn't the correct term, but what would you call killing unarmed 14 year olds trowing stones? Self defence? I am sure something less drastic was possible.

souce (dutch):
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1116399/2010/06/09/Amerikaanse-grenswachter-doodt-14-jarige-Mexicaan.dhtml

I can't read your source, but the 14 year old in question was a drug smuggler and part of a gang which started throwing stones at the border patrol agent who was trying to make an arrest. Not exactly an innocent bystander.

The article said Immigrant, not struggler, but if your right then it's still excessive force since they had no firearm and where throwing rocks. The US police is known for that so nothing special there tough. I had friends visiting the us and they all say the same, impolite and they almost all think they are the law in person and you have to do exactly as they order you. Completely different then here where the police is really there to help you, not harras you (cept for the speeding and parking tickets, grrrr)

Oddball, for 16 year olds i would say yes to you, but 14 is a tad young.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #381 on: 17-06-2010, 20:06:54 »
Megaraptor, your link is too much too read. Maybe it contains some reasons for Israel to occupy parts of Palestine. I just know few countries recognize Israels claims, and one claim is not recognized by any nation. Thats enough for me. Anyhow, the site looks too pro-Israel. I dont bother trying to find it, but im pretty sure theres a similar one with the Palestinian flag saying something different.

Talking about racism, i think youre wrong. Ive heard many racist jokes from americans aswell, but thats not the point. To tell a joke mean very little. If you say americans condemn racist jokes i find that quite hypocrit, and similar with the general american way of thinking (imo). Like youre not allowed to show a boob on television, but still its the country in the world who produce most porn. Its just a false fascade. Like you say its less racism there, while just around 250 years ago they were ethnically cleaning out the natives in their entire continent, and killed them and put the rest in reservation. Then they kidnap negroes and send them over sea in huge numbers, and use them as slaves. And its not long ago, only 150 years or something since it stopped. Then you have KKK and all that.
      I have hard to believe americans have so suddenly changed, so now theyre even less racistic than europeans. Most of you americans are "europeans" anyways. We are so similar so its most likely just as much racism in europe as in america.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #382 on: 17-06-2010, 20:06:17 »
I agree Siben, ive never met an american police, but ive seen Cops on tv at least. They act quite different than the polices in Norway i have met. But on the other hand, the norwegian police never meat any problems at work, while the american police have alot more dangerous job.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #383 on: 17-06-2010, 21:06:48 »
Megaraptor, your link is too much too read.

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Like you say its less racism there, while just around 250 years ago they were ethnically cleaning out the natives in their entire continent, and killed them and put the rest in reservation.

Well, need I remind you that Europeans were ethnically cleansing and killing certain groups both 15 and 65 years ago  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #384 on: 17-06-2010, 22:06:46 »
I think this thread is way past it's expiration date.  ::)
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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #385 on: 18-06-2010, 02:06:42 »
hey nazis , how dare you to call slavic people subhumans?????

15/20 years later in the land of the free

HEY NIGGER YOU ARENT ALLOWED ON THE WHITE PEOPLE BUS

Well, at least we didn't round them all up and kill them in death camps. Europe's racism may be mostly be in the past, but I don't want Euros saying anything about the US being racist.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #386 on: 18-06-2010, 02:06:16 »
Little over a week ago a border patrol officer shot a unarmed 14 year old imigrant dead. Hunting isn't the correct term, but what would you call killing unarmed 14 year olds trowing stones? Self defence? I am sure something less drastic was possible.

souce (dutch):
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1116399/2010/06/09/Amerikaanse-grenswachter-doodt-14-jarige-Mexicaan.dhtml

I can't read your source, but the 14 year old in question was a drug smuggler and part of a gang which started throwing stones at the border patrol agent who was trying to make an arrest. Not exactly an innocent bystander.

The article said Immigrant, not struggler, but if your right then it's still excessive force since they had no firearm and where throwing rocks. The US police is known for that so nothing special there tough. I had friends visiting the us and they all say the same, impolite and they almost all think they are the law in person and you have to do exactly as they order you. Completely different then here where the police is really there to help you, not harras you (cept for the speeding and parking tickets, grrrr)

Oddball, for 16 year olds i would say yes to you, but 14 is a tad young.



14 is not to young. On top of that the little fucker attacked Border Patrolmen, what do you expect.

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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #387 on: 18-06-2010, 02:06:10 »
hey nazis , how dare you to call slavic people subhumans?????

15/20 years later in the land of the free

HEY NIGGER YOU ARENT ALLOWED ON THE WHITE PEOPLE BUS

Well, at least we didn't round them all up and kill them in death camps. Europe's racism may be mostly be in the past, but I don't want Euros saying anything about the US being racist.


cause racism is ok as long as you dont kill ppl :) !
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Re: Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
« Reply #388 on: 18-06-2010, 02:06:30 »


cause racism is ok as long as you dont kill ppl :) !

No, it's just much worse when you kill people.

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« Reply #389 on: 18-06-2010, 03:06:35 »


cause racism is ok as long as you dont kill ppl :) !

No, it's just much worse when you kill people.

OH HEY ITS MISTER LETS KILL 3.4-5 MILLION VIETNAMESE AND ITS A SHAME IT STOPPED ROFL

GOOD TO KNOW YOU THINK KILLING PEOPLE  OF ANOTHER RACE IS REALLY BAD
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