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« Reply #750 on: 06-06-2016, 21:06:19 »
Game of thrones season 6 episode 7 was decent






The last scene however...made me think of one thing........"heeeeeerrresss Sandor!"
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« Reply #751 on: 06-06-2016, 21:06:54 »
I thought this one was actually a good episode.

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« Reply #752 on: 07-06-2016, 03:06:57 »
I liked it quite a bit too.  Looking forward to Sandor kicking some ass, the Blackfish being baller, and Arya hopefully killing the Waif.

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« Reply #753 on: 07-06-2016, 14:06:49 »
After killing too many characters for the sake of presenting realism and grim political game scene, D&D finally settled for a season of fan services?

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« Reply #754 on: 21-06-2016, 00:06:36 »
A fleshy episode ...


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« Reply #755 on: 21-06-2016, 01:06:20 »
Sansa's stupidity and the need to be remotely relevant in the snow - snow conflict is infuriating.

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Seriously, could she not have told Jon about the fucking relief cavalry incoming and therefore save hundreds of lives? Since that is the main goal of this expedition, right? As Davos put it, "Unifying the North for the only war that matters, between the living and the dead".
Now, the only army standing is the Vale army, under Littlefinger who is free to blackmail the both of them. So all in all, Stannis and his army perished, Bolton's Bastard's army perished, Snow's army (or whatever that was) also perished, and now who's gonna take on the Others? Wasn't THAT the endgame?

But yeah she just thought it would be cool for her to do a little "deus ex machina".
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« Reply #756 on: 21-06-2016, 02:06:52 »
Couldn't agree more.


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« Reply #757 on: 21-06-2016, 22:06:52 »
Well, she did said "i dont know anything about battles"
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« Reply #758 on: 21-06-2016, 23:06:50 »
I suppose the logic is that she had no idea that Littlefinger was coming with a massive army, only for Littlefinger to find her during the battle and was all like "Yo Sansa, check dis out"

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« Reply #759 on: 22-06-2016, 00:06:10 »
Well if she told her half-brother about it maybe they could've gotten a more definitive answer, eh?

And MAYBE they'd not lose almost everyone.

Also, remember when the wildlings attacked the wall? Remember that giant who shot a Night's Watch brother with an arrow and sent him flying down to castle black?

He had a bow and arrow you see.

Now why was it so hard to give Mr. Wun Wun a log, a spear, a club, or just a bunch of rocks for him to hurl at the Bolton's Bastard's army? Or that giant bow, for that matter? Could've nailed Ramsay from the get-go.

Or give him some armor at least? Yes, I know, he's a big motherfucker, but they did have the time and the steel to make it. Some northern house might have helped.

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« Reply #760 on: 22-06-2016, 00:06:17 »
Well, whatever plan there was would have gone out of the window anyway when Jon Snow went LEEEEEEEEROY JENKINNNNNNS which Sansa specifically warned him about. Ygritte was right, he's brave but stupid. His stupidity nearly got him killed, and cost him apparently 100% of his cavalry and nearly all the infantry - made all the worse because Ser Onion suddenly decides that all their archers should also charge in the melee instead of, say, staying in the reserve and waiting until the bulk of Bolton infantry is committed and arrowing/charging them in the rear.

Also illustrated is how discipline and formations mean that a force consisting of even mediocre soldiers is infinitely superior to a horde of undisciplined warriors, no matter how "fierce". (There's also a terrible disparity in equipment to overcome, but come on, even wooden shields for the Free Folk would have evened the odds immensely.) The director in the making of videos is so focused on recreating Cannae - where two roughly similar armies met - that he forgets that for example in Alesia, Caesar's legions became surrounded by numerically superior Gauls and still came out on top due to their discipline. Ummm, now I will have to actually backpedal: Jon's army would probably not have fared very well even if everything had gone according to the original plan, if the Boltons had simply turtled down behind a shieldwall if they ever became surrounded.

Though, without Jon & co. tying up the Bolton infantry, a cavalry charge even by numerically superior Vale knights would have had a hard time trying to crack a square of pikes. Outside of The Lord of the Rings, horses usually don't want to charge and impale themselves on a forest of sharp things pointed their way, so a cavalry charge should preferably be made to the flanks or rear. Though it takes iron discipine to have infantry hold the line when a wave of massive beast carrying heavily armoured knights thunders towards them, and preferably long and strong enough spears/pikes to take the impact (and outrange any lances the cavalry has) if some horses are foolhardy enough to press the charge home.

Also, who piled up all the bodies into a neat wall? We are shown that the dead are falling all over the battlefield, so they should have formed a roughly circular, quite flat disc on the ground, if even that.

Why didn't anyone have the brain to fell even a single tree so Wun Wun could have had an useful weapon with MASSIVE advantage in reach? (Because then there would not have been a Bolton shieldwall which the director apparently wanted.) EDIT: Ninja'd by PanzerKnacker

When cornered, why didn't Wun Wun simply grab a spear of a Boltonman by the shaft, he does have the reach for that easily? It's not like the other guy had had the strength to resist. (Was Wun Wun so afraid of sharp things too? Ah well, the answer is already above.)

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Was still epic though. :P

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To be fair, RamRam did have a few flaws in his master plan too: like Stannis, he apparently does not bother with scouts (who could have warned him about the approaching Vale host), and he callously orders the archers to volley an area where most of the combatants are his own (causing nearly 100% casualties to his own cavalry too) which should not exactly gain favours in the North. Somehow, I doubt that the Umbers' war cry "Who rules the North? WE DO!" refers to the Boltons in any way, so had Ramsay won, the victory would have been pretty short-lived.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #761 on: 22-06-2016, 00:06:39 »
The biggest thing I wanted to see was the Bolton soldiers turn on him.  After everything that happened, I thought it was building up to Smalljon or Carstark turning on Bolton, at least after it was clear he had lost.  Sadly, that was not the case.

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« Reply #762 on: 22-06-2016, 08:06:11 »
Or give him some armor at least? Yes, I know, he's a big motherfucker, but they did have the time and the steel to make it. Some northern house might have helped.

If you pay attention to details they have clearly illustrated in all episodes featuring the guy that he is not as strong as he seems to be. I don't know the exact details, but the bigger something is the weaker they are (on relative terms). His organs are probably struggling to keep him alive as it is, his muscles can probably  barely support his own weight. He always looks tired and has pretty poor motor skill. IMO he was clearly not fit to wear armor. I agree they could have given him a log or something though.

And about Sansa, who says she actually knew Littlefinger was coming? As far as we know the only thing she did was sending a note. I doubt she would've received an answer. The Vale Knights probably arrived just at the moment we actually see them arriving.

Although the battle itself had a few silly details (the tactics, the giant, the pile of bodies) the filmography was absolutely amazing. The first scene where the cavalry charged as brutal.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #763 on: 22-06-2016, 08:06:16 »
the cavalry charge was almost as glorious as the Charge of the rohirrim for sure
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #764 on: 22-06-2016, 13:06:10 »
Nice reference to the Battle of Cannae.