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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: azreal on 13-11-2011, 19:11:12
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Little late with the announcement thread, but it's here nonetheless. Update coming in 45 minutes.
Arch Bishop Fjodor
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/
Enjoy!
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no......it couldnt be.......Finnaly?
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british SPG?
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We already have a tread for this.
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=16402.0
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We already have a tread for this.
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=16402.0
Ha-ha.
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Sun Nov 13 20:00:09 2011
AGH
WAS IS LOS?
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As usual, website crashed *_*
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YES! SVT-40!
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Nice svt-40, but didn't wartime model have a shiny bolt?
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YES! SVT-40!
who CARES?
YEESS BISHOP
A FH1 classic RETURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys
MAJOR fault with SVT model
Wartime models had a SHINY bolt, post war did the SVT40's got reblued. And recieved the plum color
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How is that a major fault since only history nazis know about such little details?
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Bravo gents, bravo....
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It isn't, if this is a Korea war mod.
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How is that a major fault since only history nazis know about such little details?
this is a major fault flippy. This was done post-war, not during WW2. The same mistake was made with RO2, and people instant knew this.
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Stop the development and fix this! Patch delayed for 6 more months because we have to fix a bloody texture.
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So other people can see what people are raging about ;D
Correct.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/1940_Tula_SVT40.jpg)
Hopefully soon to be corrected.
(http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/screenshotsfh2/news/111113/svt40.jpg)
Delay for 6 months? Better make that 7 to be sure!
Nice update btw :)
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aah fuck it
We got the most beautifull british army vehicle ingame ;D
i mean Look at the bishop! How beautifull, how amazing, how intense! 32 rounds of 25PDR awesomeness at close range! Or maybe it should get 67 AP shells and 67 HE shells like the wespe aswel..or will we have german bias on this one? ;D ;D ;D
*ducks
7 months? not enough siben, i want the next update after 21 december 2012
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Might as well just shut down the mod and burn all evidence if the bolts aren't even shiny!
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Might as well just shut down the mod and burn all evidence if the bolts aren't even shiny!
If it was a german weapon, people would have complained ;D
Then again....sometimes you dont see the diffrence. I mean..i dint knew there was something with the luger model untill the previous update. I think most of us dint :/
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Might as well just shut down the mod and burn all evidence if the bolts aren't even shiny!
If it was a german weapon, people would have complained ;D
Then again....sometimes you dont see the diffrence. I mean..i dint knew there was something with the luger model untill the previous update. I think most of us dint :/
Indeed, only those who have it or have inspected it in real life can tell.
For god's sake, make the enfield No4 look more correct when aiming down the sights, i don't play it anymore since it is just to frustrating for me to see.
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Might as well just shut down the mod and burn all evidence if the bolts aren't even shiny!
If it was a german weapon, people would have complained ;D
Then again....sometimes you dont see the diffrence. I mean..i dint knew there was something with the luger model untill the previous update. I think most of us dint :/
Indeed, only those who have it or have inspected it in real life can tell.
For god's sake, make the enfield No4 look more correct when aiming down the sights, i don't play it anymore since it is just to frustrating for me to see.
Whats wrong with the enfield?
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I agree with THeTA; it's a relatively small error, but an error nontheless ;) . BTW I waited for the bishop since 2.2, I'm really happy that it's finally here. Now all we need is an M7 Priest, and we'll have the most important allied self-propelled artillery vehicles.
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The Bishop is going to be so much ALLIED BIAS. It's a frakking Val. With a 25 pdr gun instead of the puny 2 pdr. Yes, historically it had its share of problems and it was not used in direct-fire role, but we all know that historical role matters little when players get their hands on it, and since breakdowns aren't included... well, let's just hope it has a ludicrously slow reload time and has as limited traverse as it had IRL.
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they had to build ramps for it to support artillery fire, because the gun couldnt be elevated high enough. and it was a big ass target. xD
Now all we need is an M7 Priest, and we'll have the most important allied self-propelled artillery vehicles.
sexton? similar to the priest, yet a different gun.
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It looks like the Bishop is quite top-heavy, I'm afraid that it will capsize fairly easy, which should balance the powerful 25pdr. Just imagine some noob willing to go rambo on the Miteiriya Ridge and rolling down the hill with this precious asset :-X .
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The Bishop is going to be so much ALLIED BIAS. It's a frakking Val. With a 25 pdr gun instead of the puny 2 pdr. Yes, historically it had its share of problems and it was not used in direct-fire role, but we all know that historical role matters little when players get their hands on it, and since breakdowns aren't included... well, let's just hope it has a ludicrously slow reload time and has as limited traverse as it had IRL.
Dude you cant be serious of this, right? You do know the bishop's super structure even has less armor then the sherman, right?
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Yay, a working Bishop instead of the useless FH 1 version! :D
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LoL. Next I demand Hummel :P
Nice update Devs, make Soviet Army in the "Weapons" section on the website ;D
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I'm aware about the shiny bolt of the svt 40.Thx.
Unfortunately i didn't found the time to do this minor correction for the news. Models was done a long time ago if you follow the logs.
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I'm aware about the shiny bolt of the svt 40.Thx.
Unfortunately i didn't found the time to do this minor correction for the news. Models was done a long time ago if you follow the logs.
very good
I have revoked order to send you to gulag 234
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I'm aware about the shiny bolt of the svt 40.Thx.
Unfortunately i didn't found the time to do this minor correction for the news. Models was done a long time ago if you follow the logs.
This I find the scary part. Sure, there are some WWII history nazi's that can spot a mistake, but then it gets topped by the fact that it already is known and fixed. Meaning somewhere this is always an UBER WWII history freak.
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LoL. Next I demand Hummel :P
nah next should be M7 HMC for teh Amis :)
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LoL. Next I demand Hummel :P
nah next should be M7 HMC for teh Amis :)
Yeah, no need to make too many redundant artillery pieces, after all most of what people will see of it ingame are explosions and those all look the same ;)
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The Bishop is going to be so much ALLIED BIAS. It's a frakking Val. With a 25 pdr gun instead of the puny 2 pdr. Yes, historically it had its share of problems and it was not used in direct-fire role, but we all know that historical role matters little when players get their hands on it, and since breakdowns aren't included... well, let's just hope it has a ludicrously slow reload time and has as limited traverse as it had IRL.
Dude you cant be serious of this, right? You do know the bishop's super structure even has less armor then the sherman, right?
Bishop - Hull front: 60 mm, Superstructure front: 51 mm; Sherman - Hull front 51 mm, Turret front 64mm (gun mantlet 76 mm)
Yeah, it's as weak as Sherman's hull, but even that is no easy task for the PIII's and Pak38's (75L43 on PIVF2, Pak 40, the 76.2 PaK36(r) on the Marder and of course the 88 are a different matter), and the Sherman does not carry a 25 pounder. Also, compared to the German SPG's it is rather heavily armoured.
That aside, yes, it was a partial joke, because with the wonky BF2 physics system driving that thing on any sort of incline is suicidal (ref. Marder I and III), plus it's probably even sloooooower than the Val.
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I never managed to flip Marder III...25pdr on Valentine chassis shouldn't flip as much as Pak 40 on Lorraine 8)
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you are all talking about it like it will be a nr.1 tank killer. so what optics does it get and how fast will the projectile drop? - because if its like the wespe this thing will be hard to use vs tanks. i can hit tanks only 50 metres away with direct-fire wespe AP ammo.
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No, I don't think of it as an anti-tank platform. Also, it's unhealthy for it to drive directly onto a flag and fire around itself because the 25pdr packs enough punch to damage itself, unlike most other HE shells. I think of it (in addition to mobile artillery) as an area denial/suppression weapon. Park it outside a flagzone and start raining death. If friendlies arrive to actually take the flag, it's a bonus. Also, you don't have to worry about ammo selection, unlike with Sherman or Grant - you can fire HE all the time.
As for rolling, I have managed to roll a Churchill over, so even the Marder III feels a wee bit top-heavy for me...
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I'm aware about the shiny bolt of the svt 40.Thx.
Unfortunately i didn't found the time to do this minor correction for the news. Models was done a long time ago if you follow the logs.
This I find the scary part. Sure, there are some WWII history nazi's that can spot a mistake, but then it gets topped by the fact that it already is known and fixed. Meaning somewhere this is always an UBER WWII history freak.
They're called Finns.
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an artillery that doesn't need spotters is always nice.
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Be sure to check out the extra screenshots that were uploaded to our Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150398609816684.377716.267587761683&type=1
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you are all talking about it like it will be a nr.1 tank killer. so what optics does it get and how fast will the projectile drop? - because if its like the wespe this thing will be hard to use vs tanks. i can hit tanks only 50 metres away with direct-fire wespe AP ammo.
Well, afaik it is SPG so it will something like Wespe. No good for direct fire, but still better than a german SPG - Wespe don't have a chance even vs light armor which Bishop should fuck up ugly ;D
EDIT:
This I find the scary part. Sure, there are some WWII history nazi's that can spot a mistake, but then it gets topped by the fact that it already is known and fixed. Meaning somewhere this is always an UBER WWII history freak.
They're called Finns
(http://img.judsonmaria.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lol-face.jpg)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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So sweet to finally have a working Bishop. Been waiting for that since forever! When I saw it on desert maps I had one thought, and that was confirmed when I saw the Facebook pics.
It is a highly recognizable and attractive target from the air.
Not that I am complaining or think the devs should do something about this. That's just the way it goes. But you are either going to have to find a good place to hide it, park it near AA, or have some kick-ass fighter pilots on your team if you want to live more than 2 minutes in that thing. Not that this would discourage an arty whore like me. Can't wait to drive it!
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Nice looking rifle! Never mind the texture issue and bring forward the next update release! HEAAVEE!
Love the Bishop! It's a blocky mean piece of steel! ;D
I would suggest that you put the Facebook screenshots on the FH home page as well!
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OMG, Matilda with bigger gun - I expect ultra allied bias!!!! ;D
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*Valentine
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bishop at close range...ooh the fun it will be
by the way...The doors of the turret could be opened. this was done for easier and faster reloading but this was only done when they where sure the vehicle was in a safe area.
So? possible to do? yes or no?
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...but this was only done when they where sure the vehicle was in a safe area.
So? possible to do? yes or no?
I guess no then.
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*Valentine
Doesn't matter... In game they're the same allied bias... It's really hard to see the differences in view - the same like difference between Gallardo and Murcielago... Details...
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kwiot
in FH2 there is no allied bias
only italian
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This is a Valentine that looks like the one in game :
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/IWM-KID-652-valentine-mkII.jpg)
and a Matilda II like in game :
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/MatildaII.jpg)
and our new Bishop :
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/IWM-E-17430-Bishop-SP-gun-19420925.jpg)
I think the most evident ressemblance between the Valentine and The Matilda II is the gun mantlet(wich is the last you see when in a PanzerIII on Sidi :P)
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Add historical correct performance of Tiger=Call it correct and historical accurate
Add historical correct performance of matilda/Valentine=Whine cry and complain about allied bias ;D
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Add historical correct performance of Tiger=Call it correct and historical accurate
Add historical correct performance of matilda/Valentine=Whine cry and complain about allied bias ;D
Yeah, especially when Brits had plenty of them and lost plenty of them somehow in NA....
And nothing with a bit worse cannon can penetrate its rear armor... MAGIC!
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Add historical correct performance of Tiger=Call it correct and historical accurate
Add historical correct performance of matilda/Valentine=Whine cry and complain about allied bias ;D
Yeah, especially when Brits had plenty of them and lost plenty of them somehow in NA....
And nothing with a bit worse cannon can penetrate its rear armor... MAGIC!
Matildas and valentines performed extremely well against Axis tanks in NA. One matilda tank crew destroyed 16 Axis tanks at operation crusader for example.
problem lied in engaging dug in anti-tank guns and Flak 88's. wich is actually represented in FH2. Alam halfa, aberdeen(not well..) and Sidi rizegh
problem?
Oh wait, its an allied tank, it is not allowed to be effective!
Btw.. Matilda Tank its hull and turret where pretty much invurnable towards the germans 5cm short and 7.5cm short of PZIII and IV from all sides. The long barreld PZIII could penetrate the REAR of the matilda at short ranges.......
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^ That's right!
MOAR MATILDAS! BECAUSE MOAR!
I want this in FH 2!
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/608186-2/MatildasTobruk42)
(Of course Axis should get mobile 88s to balance it out...)
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a panzer III could take out matildas from about a kilometer away in the sides with regular AP shells. the matildas front and even the back were relatively save, so was the turret. however the side hull wasnt. also the 2 pounder wasnt that great of an anti tank weapon either.
http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/
Oh wait, its an allied tank, it is not allowed to be effective!
allied tanks in north afrika atm > german tanks.
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bishop at close range...ooh the fun it will be
by the way...The doors of the turret could be opened. this was done for easier and faster reloading but this was only done when they where sure the vehicle was in a safe area.
So? possible to do? yes or no?
Not that I really care if the doors open or not, but I would like to point out two things:
1. It was a large metal box in the North African desert.
2. It was a large metal box with a 25pdr inside.
I am willing to bet the doors were open a lot, and that most British soldiers very quickly took on a liberal definition of what was 'safe area' in which said doors could be left open.
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bishop at close range...ooh the fun it will be
by the way...The doors of the turret could be opened. this was done for easier and faster reloading but this was only done when they where sure the vehicle was in a safe area.
So? possible to do? yes or no?
Not that I really care if the doors open or not, but I would like to point out two things:
1. It was a large metal box in the North African desert.
2. It was a large metal box with a 25pdr inside.
I am willing to bet the doors were open a lot, and that most British soldiers very quickly took on a liberal definition of what was 'safe area' in which said doors could be left open.
Zhat is my point
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There is no chance of opening doors - there were no open doors in FH1 so there is no modelled interior.
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Thanks Eat for clearing it up
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All that was needed here was a little common sense.
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So if these tanks were so almighty, why Brits where pushed back by Germans in NA?
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So if these tanks were so almighty, why Brits where pushed back by Germans in NA?
Hello, may I inform you that it was actually the Commonwealth forces who pushed the Germans out of Africa.
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So if these tanks were so almighty, why Brits where pushed back by Germans in NA?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-443-1574-26%2C_Nordafrika%2C_Flakgesch%C3%BCtz.jpg)
and
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-786-0327-19%2C_Nordafrika%2C_Erwin_Rommel_mit_Offizieren.jpg)
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To finish up Drew's nice pics with a famous scene:
After the battle at Halfaya Pass a member of Rommel’s staff overheard a captured British tank driver under interrogation expressing his indignation: "In my opinion," said the Englishman with an unfriendly glance at a near-by 88,"it is unfair to use ‘flak’ against our tanks."
A German artilleryman who was sitting on his haunches near by, listening to the interpretation, interjected excitedly, "Ja, and I think it most unfair of you to attack with tanks whose armour nothing but an 88 will penetrate."
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Great update!
I find amusing how many people is worried that the Bishop will be some kind of OP tank ingame. As a SPG, and fulfilling the role of Artillery ingame, it will probably have 2 seats: 1 for the driver and another for the gunner. Anyone that has ever tried to drive around a Wespe as a tank killer would agree with me that:
1- Requiring switching positions and reloading every time you make an aiming adjustment is a pain.
2- Not having a proper sight while trying to manage huge bulletdrops is even more of a pain.
So, worry not. It would suck as a tank, moreso at the typical range of engagement in NA. You just cannot estimate bulletdrop on distances that high. And, if there's any of these around Europe, whenever you drive to the front you'll will get drilled before even aiming it, because of the prevalesence of 75mm guns there.
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So if these tanks were so almighty, why Brits where pushed back by Germans in NA?
Hello, may I inform you that it was actually the Commonwealth forces who pushed the Germans out of Africa.
this^
As i said again, Matilda's and Valentines pretty much raped panzers..Even when the Ausf F2 appeared, they still had to get in close range to deal with these tanks. And let us not forget the Churchill tanks wich then appeared in the tunisian campaign. The first tank to take down a tiger(No not the Tiger 131 in bovington, that one was disabled, Also by a churchill)
What few people also know, that it was infact the 10.5CM LEFH guns that stopped the matildas during the counterattack in france. And the only real time the Flak 88's stopped matildas was during operation battleaxe.
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What few people also know, that it was infact the 10.5CM LEFH guns that stopped the matildas during the counterattack in france. And the only real time the Flak 88's stopped matildas was during operation battleaxe.
Source would be nice, unless this is once more a case of "some argue"...
Desperate to prevent a British breakthrough, Rommel ordered the division's 88 mm (3.46 in) FlaK 18 anti-aircraft guns and 105 mm (4.1 in) field guns be formed into a defensive line and fire anti-tank and HE rounds in a last ditch effort to stop the Matildas.
Notably, Erwin Rommel's timely use of the gun to blunt the British counterattack at Arras ended any hope of a breakout from the blitzkrieg encirclement of May 1940.
(http://i.imgur.com/OLEvT.gif)
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;D
Still, you have to love the bishop...its like the KV2...like the sturmtiger
it just look BAD-ass.
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actually the KV2 and bishop have to be the worst looking tanks of ww2. thats just personal taste but who can love those boxy turret/ superstructure? its not tiger or p4 boxy. its boxy boxy. a (turret-)box on top of a (hull-)box.
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Another reason the British were pushed back in North Africa:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Winston_Churchill_1941_photo_by_Yousuf_Karsh.jpg/205px-Winston_Churchill_1941_photo_by_Yousuf_Karsh.jpg)
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Another reason the British were pushed back in North Africa:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Winston_Churchill_1941_photo_by_Yousuf_Karsh.jpg/205px-Winston_Churchill_1941_photo_by_Yousuf_Karsh.jpg)
Obesity and receding hairline?
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No, pocket watches and bow ties.
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Nope, ordering Wavell to intervene in Greece with the best British divisions in Africa, leaving the front guarded by only a couple indian infantry divisions and causing the collapse of the lines. :P
<cough> And then blaming Wavell for it, to cover up his mistake, and packing him off to India <cough>
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Just typical of Greece and Italy to be causing problems.
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actually the KV2 and bishop have to be the worst looking tanks of ww2. thats just personal taste but who can love those boxy turret/ superstructure? its not tiger or p4 boxy. its boxy boxy. a (turret-)box on top of a (hull-)box.
Add BT-42 to the mix! :)
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Just typical of Greece and Italy to be causing problems.
All would have gone just fine for Greece if Germany have not intervened. We were doing just fine fighting our own war.
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actually the KV2 and bishop have to be the worst looking tanks of ww2. thats just personal taste but who can love those boxy turret/ superstructure? its not tiger or p4 boxy. its boxy boxy. a (turret-)box on top of a (hull-)box.
Thats your german biased opinion. ;D
i mean
;D
trolololoooo
Sorry but its these kinds of vehicles wich look awesome. it looks WEIRD as hell, and thats why it is so awesome
And let us not forget the devestation the KV2 brought upon the wehrmacht during operation barbarossa. Many great stories of it
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Just typical of Greece and Italy to be causing problems.
All would have gone just fine for Greece if Germany have not intervened. We were doing just fine fighting our own war.
But the Italians needed a bailout. Again. And then the Germans came and then Greece needed a bailout. Again.
Then there was fighting in Libya. Again.
And then people stopped caring.
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But I thought that Sidi Rezegh and Op. Aberdeen were lost by Brits somehow... In game 95% of rounds on these maps are won by Brits because of these overpowered tanks... ::)
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But I thought that Sidi Rezegh and Op. Aberdeen were lost by Brits somehow... In game 95% of rounds on these maps are won by Brits because of these overpowered tanks... ::)
And so are many normandy and bulge maps wich are won mostly by the germans because of to numorous german tanks now, despite that they where won by the allies
Aberdeen btw, doesnt have infantry tanks anymore. And sidi has much improved.
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But I thought that Sidi Rezegh and Op. Aberdeen were lost by Brits somehow... In game 95% of rounds on these maps are won by Brits because of these overpowered tanks... ::)
THe map for ABerdeen is well recognized by the devs as not being a map of the actual battle of Aberdeen, it was purely a test map thrown in to the 2.0 release. The true battle of Aberdeen was won by a literal wall of Pak and Flak guns that slaughtered the British advance that had busted through the German defences.
Sidi Rezegh meanwhile was a see-saw battle that was extremely closely run.
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The true battle of Aberdeen was won by a literal wall of Pak and Flak guns that slaughtered the British advance that had busted through the German defences.
sounds interesting to me...*opens the editor*
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Next operation aberdeen map=Half of the flag is cut in half by Flak 88's and pak guns ;D
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<cough>
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=16180.0
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Good update. But those Bishops are going to be extremely easy to kill.
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Well, they're basically a Wespe.... :P
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Well, they're basically a Wespe.... :P
When I kill them, Im going to get out of my tank and Im going to tbag them.
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But I thought that Sidi Rezegh and Op. Aberdeen were lost by Brits somehow... In game 95% of rounds on these maps are won by Brits because of these overpowered tanks... ::)
maybe so, but we never attempted to recreate exactly what happened in any "real" battle. The reason for that is that players have no interest in any actual "war", they arent defending any real areas, and are happily trading their own lives to get on top of high-score lists... with this behaviour in mind - which indeed is just normal gaming behaviour - it would be silly for us to pretend that it's WW2 we're trying to create here.
Good example is Pdh - sure the climbing & the general layout of the map is true to history, but I can tell you that there wasn't a huge firefight involving hundreds and hundreds of causalities on this little plateau, in reality there was a bunch of rangers just sneaking in and blowing up guns. Extremely unrealistic to have an all-out infantry battle WW1 style on Pdh, but it's simply more fun that way.
History is just the scenery on which we apply the fighting, the 'backdrop' if you want, or 'platform'. whatever happens on that platform is up to players, and they care mostly about getting lots of kills, or lots of game points, achieved by using the points-giving mechanics suchs as capturing flags, or using tools provided.
if 95/5 is won by a team, then ofcourse that is huge design flaw, which we are aware of. Probably a reason why most servers ditched this particula map years ago.
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Good example is Pdh - sure the climbing & the general layout of the map is true to history, but I can tell you that there wasn't a huge firefight involving hundreds and hundreds of causalities on this little plateau, in reality there was a bunch of rangers just sneaking in and blowing up guns. Extremely unrealistic to have an all-out infantry battle WW1 style on Pdh, but it's simply more fun that way.
I'd disagree, the rangers at Pointe du Hoc suffered appalling casualties, 135 men out of a total of just 225. Germans losses are likely higher. Saying the rangers "snuck in" does not do justice to one of the most daring attacks in World War 2. In fact, I think you'd struggle to find a worse example than Pointe Du Hoc when it comes to comparing size and scope of the battle in Forgotten Hope to that of actual history.
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Good example is Pdh - sure the climbing & the general layout of the map is true to history, but I can tell you that there wasn't a huge firefight involving hundreds and hundreds of causalities on this little plateau, in reality there was a bunch of rangers just sneaking in and blowing up guns. Extremely unrealistic to have an all-out infantry battle WW1 style on Pdh, but it's simply more fun that way.
I'd disagree, the rangers at Pointe du Hoc suffered appalling casualties, 135 men out of a total of just 225. Germans losses are likely higher. Saying the rangers "snuck in" does not do justice to one of the most daring attacks in World War 2. In fact, I think you'd struggle to find a worse example than Pointe Du Hoc when it comes to comparing size and scope of the battle in Forgotten Hope to that of actual history.
That is true, however they only lost 15 guys during the initial assualt. Most of these casualties were lost during the counter attack.
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Good example is Pdh - sure the climbing & the general layout of the map is true to history, but I can tell you that there wasn't a huge firefight involving hundreds and hundreds of causalities on this little plateau, in reality there was a bunch of rangers just sneaking in and blowing up guns. Extremely unrealistic to have an all-out infantry battle WW1 style on Pdh, but it's simply more fun that way.
I'd disagree, the rangers at Pointe du Hoc suffered appalling casualties, 135 men out of a total of just 225. Germans losses are likely higher. Saying the rangers "snuck in" does not do justice to one of the most daring attacks in World War 2. In fact, I think you'd struggle to find a worse example than Pointe Du Hoc when it comes to comparing size and scope of the battle in Forgotten Hope to that of actual history.
That is true, however they only lost 15 guys during the initial assualt. Most of these casualties were lost during the counter attack.
Yep. So if you want to be fair, the actual pitched battle was on the 32 player map version of PDH.
WHICH NEEDS TO BE PLAYED MORE DAMNIT |:
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Awesome update as always. 8) Many thanks.
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In fact, I think you'd struggle to find a worse example than Pointe Du Hoc when it comes to comparing size and scope of the battle in Forgotten Hope to that of actual history.
I just picked a map. My point was: FH2 isnt WW2. Not in this sense anyway