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Forgotten Hope 2 => Tactics & Tutorials => Topic started by: Forlorn_Hope on 15-04-2010, 00:04:09
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How do we all use the bren gun? Shoot it in semi-auto or full-auto? Use it as a close range weapon or long range weapon?
To me, the bren gun is an excellent weapon. On semi-auto it fires just as accurate and deadly as a regular bolt action rifle, while shooting in a much faster speed. At close range it can shoot like a SMG on full auto without ironsighting, although it's much more difficult to hit your targets.
The only downside about the gun is that you have no pistol or grenades as backup, with the machinegun being your only weapon.
What does everybody else think about it? It also seems like the weapon is not used that often. Most people prefer the rifle and thompson over the bren gun.
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Bren sucks. In 2.2 Bren and BAR were godlike weapons and I used to use them a lot. In 2.25 BAR is probably somewhere where it should be with its accuracy, but Bren just sucks because those sights made it too hard to hit someone. Thompson is a sniper rifle in comparison with it to be honest. :P
But things should get better with 2.26 :)
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Fairly sure the standard Bren kit has a Webley...
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
Apparently he doesn't count revolvers as pistols, but revolvers. But IIRC the lumberjack canadian bren kit has the Hi-power.
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Fairly sure the standard Bren kit has a Webley...
Yeah sorry my mistake. I got it mixed up with the smoke grenade that comes with the pick-up kits from the Bren ;D
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
Funny, I can use the 2.25 Bren with great success. And the new Bren... well, that would beleaking.
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Will the BAR be useful in 2.26 again, along with the MG34 and MG42?
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
Funny, I can use the 2.25 Bren with great success. And the new Bren... well, that would beleaking.
2.25 is fine, just dont snipe with it and its perfect for me o_O
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
Funny, I can use the 2.25 Bren with great success. And the new Bren... well, that would beleaking.
2.25 is fine, just dont snipe with it and its perfect for me o_O
It became useless to me after 2.2 :-\
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Honestly I think the only downside after 2.25 is that it's much less accurate in automatic mode when suppressing a squad. But the semi-automatic mode seems to be the same.
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Also, part of the reason its not used much is because it has a very limited kit allotment :P
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I was a constant brengunner from the beginning of FH2 up to 2.2
After that, it became useless. The only way you could use it, was with Semi auto firing.
I really hope it is back the way it was, or at least improved alot
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In 2.25 bren can be used as automatic rifle, just take your time between shots and frags will follow. In 2.26 though, the bren will be what was always meant to be - ugly, mean, jerry killin' machine.
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It's the sights that I hate on bren. On longer ranges it's fine, but on medium range, it starts to block too much view and when shooting full auto, I loose my target almost always. And did devs do something to its accurasy on hip firing? It just feels, it doesn't work as well anymore for rambo bren firing.
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sights been improved a lot and so did the overall handling
making it very useful again
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sights been improved a lot and so did the overall handling
making it very useful again
I'll never doubt you guys again
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Just after 2.25 was released, my opinion was that MGs were a bit broken and nearly impossible to use efficiently in automatic mode (especially bren and BAR).
However I got used to it and I now manage to shoot several guys with bursts. Rambo brengunning is still possible too.
The only thing that is really, really not usable is the low rate of fire mode on the BAR. The heavy recoil associated to the narrow ironsight makes shooting much more difficult than with the full auto mode, whereas in this mode the gun should be much easier to control.
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The only thing that is really, really not usable is the low rate of fire mode on the BAR. The heavy recoil associated to the narrow ironsight makes shooting much more difficult than with the full auto mode, whereas in this mode the gun should be much easier to control.
I use slow fire rate always. For me it's somehow easier. Fast fire rate is good only for very close ranges.
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Yeah!
When I take the BAR, I always use it slow firing mode except when I enter enemy houses or similar environment.
Then I use the badass full auto mode 8)
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MG34 is still god on North African maps :)
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Best automatic firing weapon is the Italian LMG. Awesome reload animation, and the only weapon that was untouched by 2.25's super MG recoil syndrome.
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Best automatic firing weapon is the Italian LMG. Awesome reload animation, and the only weapon that was untouched by 2.25's super MG recoil syndrome.
and it still sucks donkey balls :D
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I actually thought it was the _only_ smg that was very nice to use...
I never used it prior to 2.25, and just compared it blindly to all the others. It's brilliant.
Besides it looks sexy _and_ can be found for no apparent reason in Purple Heart Lane on the Axis side... ;D
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Besides it looks sexy _and_ can be found for no apparent reason in Purple Heart Lane on the Axis side... ;D
There is, as in all FH2 maps, always an apparent reason. ;)
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can be found for no apparent reason in Purple Heart Lane on the Axis side... ;D
Except that the fallschirmjäger did use the Beretta SMG ;)
I bet someone will post a picture soon. :p
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I actually thought it was the _only_ smg that was very nice to use...
I never used it prior to 2.25, and just compared it blindly to all the others. It's brilliant.
Besides it looks sexy _and_ can be found for no apparent reason in Purple Heart Lane on the Axis side... ;D
you are talking about the BERETTA SMG, which is awesome.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Beretta_38.jpg/800px-Beretta_38.jpg)
and it is on PHL because there are several pictures of germans with that weapon that fought exactly there, at purple heart lane.
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/335167-2/Bundesarchiv+Bild+101I-680-8257-16%23)
however WE are talking about the BREDA 30 LMG one of the arguably worst MGs of the whole war.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Breda_30.jpg/800px-Breda_30.jpg)
20 shot combersome magazine, dirt problems due to massive use of oil while firing, round cook-off, weak 6.5 mm round etc etc etc
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ach sheit...I read smg not LMG :(
Crap. Sorry for that.
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The breda 30 was indeed a bad machine gun
Same weight as Bren and MG34
20 rounds instead of 30 and 75
Weak round
Unreliable even in clean ideal conditions
Massive manually oiling of every round
Fragile wich ment parts where easily broken
The only advantage in this weapon, was that it was fairly accurate. But that barely outruns the disadvantages.
While the berreta 1938 SMG was one of the best SMG's of the entire war. Lethal, accurate to 200M(Unlike MP40 and Thompson with only 100M) and fairly light.
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
Funny, I can use the 2.25 Bren with great success. And the new Bren... well, that would beleaking.
Maybe but No.4 still does the work 10 times better, hell its actually even better for suppressing.
MGs definitely ain't fine in 2.25, lol. Bren should be able to do the same what an infantry section with no.4 can. Now Bren is just bad full auto no.4. Machine guns should be overpowered and devastating, well positioned Bren should pwn German squad running on the field. Right now you probably miss or kill one guy (if the German rifleman isn't really good) and then get shot by rifle.
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2.26 bren is now useful again. Also, yes the kit does have a webley.
Funny, I can use the 2.25 Bren with great success. And the new Bren... well, that would beleaking.
Maybe but No.4 still does the work 10 times better, hell its actually even better for suppressing.
this^
you cant even use the Brengun anymore for supressive fire. The gun kicks up in the air after only 2 rounds fired
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the problem mostly came due to the new deviation system in 2.25.
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the problem mostly came due to the new deviation system in 2.25.
new deviation? I thought deviation was totally removed?
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I love the Bren for it's rifle like ability to shoot on semi-auto and still gives you survivability in close quarters, but I hate the sights. Like on of the previous posters, I lose track of targets completely. But I have the same thing with the cirkel-sight of the No.4 rifles, and the Lewis sight is just a round hole as well.
Is there some British design aspect to it, to have such a thick and round ironsight? I mean, IRL, does it make aiming easier or something? Or is it a design flaw?
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IRL, the peep sights are tiny holes. But the way you focus on them means they are very blurry and you can see quite a lot through them. Their advantage is that it is very instinctive to find the centre of a circle, and that is where you put the front sight.
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those peepsights work great in RL but they just dont work in games
thats why in most games (also fh2) those sights get heavily modified.
those holes get alot bigger so players can see through them and have better vision.
in real live those sight make your eye much more focused on the target making it easier to take good aim.
in games those kind of sight block your view making it harder to aim.
here an example with the M1 garand
Real live sight
(http://www.cheesepatrol.com/images/garand/garand3.jpg)
ingame sight in BF1943
(http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/battlefield_m1garand.jpg)
ingame brothers in arms
(http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Brothers-in-Arms-2-Main.jpg)
cod2
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/ff/Gar_2.png)
fh2 also has this
i think from before 2.25 to 2.25 the hole in the rearsight of the m1 thompson got alot bigger making the sight usefull compared to before where you couldnt see anything through it.
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@ Die Happy:
Which Brothers In Arms game is that picture from? I played 3 of 'm but can't recall the crashed bomber (B-24?) from any one of 'm.
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i dont know
i just googled for brothers in arms m1 garand and this poped up
i guess it is from some console or even wii , nintendo DS or something considering the low resolution and bad graphics
could be something else though
but ALL games make these compromises between realism and playability
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I love the Bren for it's rifle like ability to shoot on semi-auto and still gives you survivability in close quarters, but I hate the sights. Like on of the previous posters, I lose track of targets completely. But I have the same thing with the cirkel-sight of the No.4 rifles, and the Lewis sight is just a round hole as well.
Is there some British design aspect to it, to have such a thick and round ironsight? I mean, IRL, does it make aiming easier or something? Or is it a design flaw?
In real life the peephole is a lot more user friendly i find. I can shoot a lot more accurate with my Enfield then with my Mauser, and with my dad it is the other way around so it must also depend from person to person. All i can say is that with the peephole i see a lot more of what is around me then with the Mauser sight. That is the 100 yards peephole on the Mk1 sight, the variable distance peephole is just tiny and you only see long distance. On the Mk2 sight the 100 yards and 300 yards setting are equally simple. Have to buy a Mk3 sight one day, but i think it will be like the Mk1. (The lee enfield No4 Mk1 (wich i own) had 3 different rear sights during the war, the Mk1, Mk2 and Mk3
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Admitted the brengun issent as good on long range suppresive fire as the MG's, but the bren is simply far more handy in one shot-sniping and Close range combat.
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@ Die Happy:
Which Brothers In Arms game is that picture from? I played 3 of 'm but can't recall the crashed bomber (B-24?) from any one of 'm.
This particular game is made for the iPhone/ iPod Touch
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To be honest, having lugged and used a bren gun at the last reenactment in May, I can officially say that the sights in FH2 are a LOT less blocking then in real life. IRL, you can see basically nothing BUT the sights.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUTV6F6IyM
Great song of this lovely weapon ;D
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This one's cool as well. Came up in the youtube sidebar when watching that awesome song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-CfuvCHq4I
Full Metal Jacket's R. Lee Ermey comparing the Bren to the BAR. Gotta love that guy :-)
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This one's cool as well. Came up in the youtube sidebar when watching that awesome song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-CfuvCHq4I
Full Metal Jacket's R. Lee Ermey comparing the Bren to the BAR. Gotta love that guy :-)
I use the bren also like that in FH1 ;D
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Going back 2 the Bren. Ig u switch 2 the semi-auto and use it like the Garand-hip firing u can pretty much hit accurately even if not sure 100% about your target. I use it so that i roughly aim with iron-sights and the target alone comes in the bullets way.
But as 2 using it often - NOT. BUT I had several rounds with 20-30 kills only using Bren. None the less u should be using it as support weapon for pinning squads/suppression. Tried aiming/firing practice with a colleague and he said the bullets were mainly flying in a circle of 1m2. But on full auto we all know how it performed.