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Forgotten Hope 0.7 => General Discussion => Topic started by: McCloskey on 05-11-2012, 18:11:26
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As a part of the 10 years of Battlefield anniversary, DICE/EA are giving away the original Battlefield game for free.
Origin link: http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/en_IE/html/pbPage.demos-en_IE
Personally, I hope mods will be compatible so I can try the original FH and FHSW.
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yup. pretty nice by EA
correct link: http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/sv_SE/html/pbPage.demos-sv_SE
Mods were tested last week and most work :)
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At least they do something right. I hope this will boost the player numbers...
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why is it in the demo section ???
Wouldn't the free games section make more sense ?
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Oh fuck, need to install origin.
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So, Battlefield 1942 is now free... what about the expansions?
All rather unexpected...
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Read the fine print...
THIS OFFER IS BEING ISSUED TO YOU FOR PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES ONLY AND DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A CREDIT, CHARGE, DEBIT OR GIFT CARD. FREE DOWNLOAD EXPIRES MARCH 1, 2013. REQUIRES ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS AND INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT). IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON THE EA ONLINE SERVICE, INCLUDING AVAILABILITY CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. ONLINE SERVICE FOR THIS TITLE MAY BE DISCONTINUED AND IS NOT GUARANTEED.
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tsss ::)
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There is always a catch...
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Does that mean the game stops working March 1st, or does it mean you can't download it for free anymore after March 1st?
I'm assuming the latter, and that doesn't really bother me. Nobody forced them to hand it out for free.
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it means you have until then to grab it 8)
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Great, let's hope this will boost the player count of the long forgotten (but not quite dead yet) mods...
But I doubt it will without advertising... Most newer BF players don't even know what a mod is...
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Q: Can I play online against players who have the original disc-based version?
A: Unfortunately, no. This Origin digital download version can only be played against other players who are using the same version. But since it’s free for everyone, everyone can download their own copy of the game. This version of the game will only show applicable (new) servers in the server browser.
;D
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^ Well so much about boosting player count... I doubt mod regulars will redownload it for the sake of playing with new players on a new server that probably won't even exist...
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Smart move from EA, using an old game to advertise their shitty little Origin thing.
1942 is great, but I'll pass.
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Somewhere deep in EA's marketing lair:
(*imagine some evil music playing in the background*)
"Heya folks, I got an idea, let's:
1. Lure in people who are to lazy to read the full offer and understand all the catches that come with it.
2. Laugh at them when they realize they cannot play with their buddies who still have the original.
3. Spam them with advertisement and have fun analyzing/selling their customer data."
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Q: Can I play online against players who have the original disc-based version?
A: Unfortunately, no. This Origin digital download version can only be played against other players who are using the same version. But since it’s free for everyone, everyone can download their own copy of the game. This version of the game will only show applicable (new) servers in the server browser.
;D
and why on earth would anyone still use their CD version when it's free on Origin?
LOL!
2. Laugh at them when they realize they cannot play with their buddies who still have the original.
They can ;) their buddies should just throw the CDs away and install Origin version 8)
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Because of the same reason some people think before they give away personal data (= install Origin), Natty. :)
And thank you, I decide for myself when to throw away things that I bought for money. :)
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haha... really? they never use Google? Steam? iTunes?....basically any online service whatso-ever..
If they are too paranoid and tin-foil-hatty to use Origin then.... ::)... their loss. Origin is 100% safe to use, only trolls that dwell in dark forums belive otherwise.
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Are you being paid by the guys to promote that so intensively? Thanks for the "troll".
FYI (in case):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_%28content_delivery%29#Situation_in_Germany
You know Natty, there are some people around who have other opinions than you do.
And you cannot convince everyone.
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and why on earth would anyone still use their CD version when it's free on Origin?
popular servers that use the original version maybe?
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Q: Can I play online against players who have the original disc-based version?
A: Unfortunately, no. This Origin digital download version can only be played against other players who are using the same version. But since it’s free for everyone, everyone can download their own copy of the game. This version of the game will only show applicable (new) servers in the server browser.
;D
and why on earth would anyone still use their CD version when it's free on Origin?
LOL!
2. Laugh at them when they realize they cannot play with their buddies who still have the original.
They can ;) their buddies should just throw the CDs away and install Origin version 8)
you're so full of fail natty. why would they ? they already have it installed, and likely they won't even know of this event.
why the hell can't EA just merge servers ? I also assume that this is only stock bf1942 with no add on. So whoever wants to play the add on will have to pay I guess ^^.
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Just played a few rounds, flying felt great. Using the B17 to transport ten guys (on the wings) to an outpost. Good times. I never liked flying in any other BF games after BF1942. Simply felt too floaty.
Oh yeah, I'm sick and tired of always seeing the same guys shitting up threads on these boards. You know who you are and you're not contributing anything so please just go away.
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yep Eglaerinionm I know.. they're trollz what can you expect? they are just predictable.
EA gives away bf1942 for free on the 10th anniversary and they QQ and whine that they need Origin, LOL!
Or that people cant play with the cd version, double-Lulz...or that they dont get the X-packs.. as if anyone cares about those.,
check the server browser TrollaRio, 90% of all players are on Origin servers ;D
you're so full of fail natty. why would they ? they already have it installed, and likely they won't even know of this event.
are you?
and wow, so hard it is to uninstall the cd version then install with Origin. Takes all but 2 mouse clicks! ::)
naah, keep trying, but there isnt anything you can complain on here, sorry.
only 3 servers are for cd version and none of them full ;D
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possible to host own server? any DC final servers up?
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possible to host own server? any DC final servers up?
https://twitter.com/gustavhalling/status/265513632249573377
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awesome , anyone got fast download links for DC final and the last FH release ?
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yep Eglaerinionm I know.. they're trollz what can you expect? they are just predictable.
EA gives away bf1942 for free on the 10th anniversary and they QQ and whine that they need Origin, LOL!
Or that people cant play with the cd version, double-Lulz...or that they dont get the X-packs.. as if anyone cares about those.,
check the server browser TrollaRio, 90% of all players are on Origin servers ;D
you're so full of fail natty. why would they ? they already have it installed, and likely they won't even know of this event.
are you?
and wow, so hard it is to uninstall the cd version then install with Origin. Takes all but 2 mouse clicks! ::)
naah, keep trying, but there isnt anything you can complain on here, sorry.
only 3 servers are for cd version and none of them full ;D
I don't really know why you think that is so funny? Obviously by any common sense it should work with cd version, if they don't have any difference other than method the game was installed. Also, not all people have 100M internet like you. Actually, quite many people don't and can't have.
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only 3 servers are for cd version and none of them full ;D
*cough*
http://www.gametracker.com/search/bf1942/?sort=c_numplayers&order=DESC#search
I wonder if increased player count works with new servers... probably not... I don't see why some mods would switch to new ones then, except maybe for gaining publicity...
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only 3 servers are for cd version and none of them full ;D
now that you have been corrected, let me correct you more. Nobody is complaining about Origin, it would be silly. As long as I dont give them any money, im ok with instaling origin and playing for free the best bf game ever made :)
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so.. I have to un-install my bought version of BF1942, to download, create account for and install Origin, to download and install the game I just un-installed..
and wow, so hard it is to uninstall the cd version then install with Origin. Takes all but 2 mouse clicks! ::)
.. no.. Not really hard, but boring..
and Obviously takes more than just 2 mouse clicks ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) (fucking hate this smiley, please don't ever use it, ever.. please!)
Would have been lovely if I could have just used my already installed version, but cool!
Love to get some FH1 action going..
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hmm, Invalid Cd-key??? anyone else having the same problem?
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well had lots of fun tonight :)
But I don't see why EA didn't throw in the exp packs aswell. I mean they where pretty decent and why would they include it ? (please don't say "will come as DLC") i really wanted to play RTR and SW :/
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I don't know, almost every mod ever created is better than these two lousy addons.
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So does fh1 work on this version? is FH1 still played? Been years since I fired it up.
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So does fh1 work on this version? is FH1 still played? Been years since I fired it up.
I guess it is a different version. Someone just tried and FH1 gave them a load of shit about it being the wrong version. Trying it myself. Seeing if I can find a way to fake out the installer. I would say this thing is a big waste of time though if it does not work. I have 3 fucking copies of the damn thing anyway.
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I played four hours straight, and I enjoyed every single second!
"Enemy ship spotted!"
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they should have made this promotion work with the original disc holders...
I play FHSW and DC and there is no chance that the playerbase will go through the hassle that this offer provides. This offer could maybe revive the lacklustre fortunes of Fh1 though as PFC is hardly populated anymore.
there is still a chance that it could be fixed in house by EA or hopefully some modder breaks the offer so that we can all play together, customers and free-loaders alike.
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Q: Can I play online against players who have the original disc-based version?
A: Unfortunately, no. This Origin digital download version can only be played against other players who are using the same version. But since it’s free for everyone, everyone can download their own copy of the game. This version of the game will only show applicable (new) servers in the server browser.
;D
and why on earth would anyone still use their CD version when it's free on Origin?
LOL!
2. Laugh at them when they realize they cannot play with their buddies who still have the original.
They can ;) their buddies should just throw the CDs away and install Origin version 8)
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out, does it?
Go ask Ridley Scott why there were no dragons in Prometheus... Ridley would look at you and explain with slow words
- "well little guy.... you see, I didn't want to make a movie about dragons...
is that answer enough for you?"
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So FH1 works on this contraption?
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Still trying to figure it out, still no dice. Anyone have any luck installing FH1?
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now that someone failed at correcting you,
fixed
He posted a link to some site that doesnt even list the origin servers.. trolol0?
also, i dont count all the idlerz servers with a few people in. No one cares about those servers, people want to play on full servers, and my image is correct. only 3 servers in the actual ingame browsers were for CD version, the rest: all happy freeBf42 Origin server players. 8)
@FatJoe: it took you longer to write that post than to uninstall your old CD version
Wait, let me ponder this for a while.. the CD version?...
LOL! Who even has that installed anymore? you didnt reformat or buy a new CD the last 5 years? Most people did you know, so that is why it doesnt matter if the cd version doesnt work...
cd version... jeeeez ::) just put them on a dusty shelf next to Metal Gear Solid and join the future of digital pl0x Do your PC even have CD/DVD driver? mine donät, no need for it. All games are available digitally now.
hmm, Invalid Cd-key??? anyone else having the same problem?
Get the Origin version, it's free ;D
they should have made this promotion work with the original disc holders...
I guess they didn't come to the ceremony where they crowned you King of what they should and shouldn't do with their games 8)
Im forced to throw up the Louis CK clip where he rants about how people of today whine about everything.
They're giving away the game for free. It's amazing. People are able to enjoy a game they havent played in years. Maybe never played, only heard about. And you're whining that they "force" you to install this (free) game digitally, instead of hasseling with CDs?
LOL!
Here's Louis; replace "guy with wi-fi on the plane" with "forum dude with free bf42 version"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mfmmNif5WCw#t=118s
Also, not all people have 100M internet like you. Actually, quite many people don't and can't have.
press install, go to sleep, play next day
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^ Yes they are giving a game for free. But not the full game, with all that was available with the CD/Deluxe version. We don't even get mod support, and that's one of the things that made BF 42 special! Plus they are effectively splitting the (albeit small) playerbase into "free players" and "customers"... surprisingly with customers getting the short end of the stick this time... Was it so hard to make the CD version work on Origin servers, to not screw up your loyal customers, many of whom probably still don't have a decent computer/internet connection if they still play their 10 year old game?
Why would I care about Origin servers? You claimed that there were only 3 populated CD version servers and I proved you wrong... There were in fact a lot more than 3 of the regular servers out there... No need to behave like a child by posting "trolol0" or similar words the 12 year old kids on the Internet use in their arguments.
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@FatJoe: it took you longer to write that post than to uninstall your old CD version
It doesn't matter how long it takes me to uninstall the cd version, registering and installing Origin and downloading and installing BF1942 is what is going to take up most of the time..
LOL! Who even has that installed anymore? you didnt reformat or buy a new CD the last 5 years? Most people did you know, so that is why it doesnt matter if the cd version doesnt work...
"LOL!" me..
I've formatted my computer and bought new CD's in the past 5 years. most people have as well. I also own BF1942 on CD, and not as a digital download (it's for example not available on Steam) and decided to install it to play Forgotten Hope 1 again. What exactly is funny about it? Why does it make you laugh that I had to use CD's to install a games from 2002? Because you're too young to remember CD's (the way you get your point across indicates low maturity) or because now it's suddenly available on Origin?
lololol blah blah durr rolling my eyes smiley blah blah
That's it, I'm removing this smiley from the forums..
..aaand it's gone!
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hmm, Invalid Cd-key??? anyone else having the same problem?
Get the Origin version, it's free
get your head out of your ass, you may understand things better ;). it is. Aparantly, origin doesnt like you to change the default instalation folder , i would take the piss on ea, but at least it lets you change it, unlike steam.
solved it by reinstaling it on the default folder. total instalation time: 40 min. expansion packs installed: 0. good origin!
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Natty, how fucking hard can it be to merge servers ? What about the people who pay for these servers. They just have to move up because suddenly the game is provided on a new platform ?
So in the future if BF3 would be provided free by steam, you think it's logical that everyone should de-install origin and move up to steam ?
again I still have to see the first mod working on this "version". It doesn't have XP packs as well. It does kind of feel hammered down.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice that EA is providing a free game, but they could have just handled it differently .
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[ they should have made this promotion work with the original disc holders...
I guess they didn't come to the ceremony where they crowned you King of what they should and shouldn't do with their games 8)
Im forced to throw up the Louis CK clip where he rants about how people of today whine about everything.
They're giving away the game for free. It's amazing. People are able to enjoy a game they havent played in years. Maybe never played, only heard about. And you're whining that they "force" you to install this (free) game digitally, instead of hasseling with CDs?
YOU ARE A FUCKING DOUCHEBAG MOST OF THE TIME NATTY !!!!
GO INSTALL AND TRY AND PLAY FHSW. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
I have bought 5 separate copies of BF42 over the years and the bloody Origin won't even work for me. So where's your fucking solution now???
I didn't whine about anything, all I did was voice the opinion that the game should have been merged with all the people who bloody well paid for and have played the crap out of this game since day 1.
What is wrong with EA respecting their customers?
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*sits next to Rand00m* "Yo Rand00m, anything good while I was gone?"
*steals some of his popcorn and enjoys the show*
*sees Rand00m's angry face and hands over a beer as reparation*
Good thing I got out of this discussion when I still could (@ post #19). :P
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^ Yes they are giving a game for free. But not the full game
Yes, the full game :) the expansion packs dont count as part of the full game. The Origin version is the full game of Battlefield 1942 TM
We don't even get mod support
did you try any mod? they work if they were done correct.
and that's one of the things that made BF 42 special
not really. Most shooters back then had mod tools. What made bf42 special came from the awesome design + execution of a vision the DICE guys had, accept it.
Plus they are effectively splitting the (albeit small) playerbase into "free players" and "customers"...
LOL! no, they arent! because the people with the CD version CAN install the Origin version as well, is this so hard to get?
Was it so hard to make the CD version work on Origin servers, to not screw up your loyal customers, many of whom probably still don't have a decent computer/internet connection if they still play their 10 year old game?
DOUBLE-LOL! yes apparently it was, or they'd done it, right? Secondly "loyal customers" you mean the guys sitting playing a 10 year old game refusing to get a new one? Loyal customers are Origin users with 3 or more battlefield title in their Origin account who are now getting the chance to play a classic game.
If they dont have internet, they cant play anyway, so it doesnt matter.
What PC they have doesnt matter either.
Point stands: if you have internet you can play this free version.
Now, why go on the internet and whine about this? It's a non-issue. You just saw something that wasnt 100% perfect as you want it, then you must go online and complain.
Origin version works fine, or you would see an influx of 1000% players already trying it out.
Why would I care about Origin servers?
If you want to play the game with the rest of the people, install Origin version and discard your old version, very easy and actually it's faster to install the origin version than the CD version :) if you have decent internet connection. If you dont, then I suggest take a walk in the nice, crips autumn weather while it downloads, instead of raging about non-existent problems on our forum. thx.
@FatJoe: I didnt quite get your point... you mean you dont want to play on the Origin servers? Do as you like, I dont know what I have to do with that. You can choose to play Bf1942 on Origin servers where most people currently are, or on the old servers. Why make a thing about it? You spent more time in this thread now than it would have taken you to get the Origin version. It can download in the background while you watch youtube or facebook, I really do not see any point in continue complaining about a free game which requires you to use the digital platform to use it. Just accept it and move on and it'll feel so much better inside.
get your head out of your ass, you may understand things better ;)
subject of ban, push it more and we'll see you in 30 days.
Aparantly, origin doesnt like you to change the default instalation folder , i would take the piss on ea, but at least it lets you change it, unlike steam.
solved it by reinstaling it on the default folder. total instalation time: 40 min. expansion packs installed: 0. good origin!
aha! so it was just you not knowing how to change the default installation. Well, you could've asked.
exp packs was never planned to be in, most players just want the classic maps anyway. 40min, pretty smooth and fast I'd say. It took me 10min but then im on 100/100 line as well.
See? wasnt so hard now, was it?
Natty, how fucking hard can it be to merge servers ?
Well that sentence is made in a way so you answer your own question :) since you havent a clue how all this works, you also arent in position to question it.
What if the fact is that the origin version is another version of bf1942 with 1.61 all bundled in to one, while the cd version is patched versions? what if there are technical reasons which you and I dont understand? Why question it? "how hard can it be" is terminology usually used by someone who hasnt a freaking idea about the subject he talks about, so let's leave it at that now shall we? let's continue to live in the wonderful land of ignorance where guys like you and me simply are blessed with not knowing everything :D
So in the future if BF3 would be provided free by steam, you think it's logical that everyone should de-install origin and move up to steam
What does that have to do with anything? completely different games, tech and platform. lol, where did you even come up with that comparison? No, perhaps then they would feel it worth investing in creating a technological solution that made it possible? but now they didnt? or where did you think that comparison would lead you? except in to a cul-de-sac of points-not-made.
again I still have to see the first mod working on this "version"
hm... "version"? why the quotation marks, makes it seem as you didnt understand quite how this all works... The Origin version should AFAIK work with mods, but I havent tried it myself yet. The FH devs will try to make version that fits it, we'll see how it turns out. Most likely the mods made their installers so they check if BF1942 was of correct version back in the days of patches, like 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 etc, but since Origin isnt really that kind of version, mods might have to change the installers to ignore what version of bf1942 the user has
Everything can be made differently luftwaffe, that's a lesson life teaches you. Things are never perfect, just learn to accept things for what they are when you can't change them :)
https://www.google.se/search?q=mindfulness+acceptance+model&hl=sv&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZwSZUPrYDqTR4QSPz4BI&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=612
I have bought 5 separate copies of BF42 over the years and the bloody Origin won't even work for me. So where's your fucking solution now???
https://help.ea.com/se/origin :-*
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Q: Can I play online against players who have the original disc-based version?
A: Unfortunately, no. This Origin digital download version can only be played against other players who are using the same version. But since it’s free for everyone, everyone can download their own copy of the game. This version of the game will only show applicable (new) servers in the server browser.
;D
I was almost temped.
FAIL
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..I really do not see any point in continue complaining about a free game which requires you to use the digital platform to use it. Just accept it and move on and it'll feel so much better inside.
I'm just saying I don't like to uninstall my current version just to download it and reinstall it again on Origin.
But It doesn't mean I can do anything about it, so of course I'll have to accept it and move on.. It's just me sharing my opinion, and you can call it QQing (what ever that is) or crying or what ever, I still won't like it, and I'm still allowed to share my opinion, whether you like my opinion or not.
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This "free" battlefield 1942 reminded me of the free console port "Call of Duty Classic".
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Natty, I’m an engineer. The engineering philosophy tells me that it is not possible to offer a solution for a problem on this level. Not having a solution for the issue, for me, indicates a lack of good will on EA’s side to actually provide it. Even a simple patch for the 10 year old game to synchronize the new with the old might do it.
Well that sentence is made in a way so you answer your own question since you havent a clue how all this works, you also arent in position to question it.
Are you insinuation I lack the intelligence to comprehend such an issue ? I explained the engineering philosophy, so how hard can it be ? Fine , I do not have a master degree in computer science and only seen basic programming, but what are you natty, the guru of the almighty knowledge ? Sometimes your arrogance astonishes me. If his lordship wants to enlighten me why no force on earth could merge the two servers, please feel free to do so. And don’t spare the technical details.
hm... "version"? why the quotation marks, makes it seem as you didnt understand quite how this all works
I think I understand how it works. They must have made a new version to be compatible with their new platform. What they must have done is change the underlying code and not look at the game itself since it still possess the same bugs the original had. Hence "version" in quotation marks, since the final product does not show any change on the surface.
Everything can be made differently luftwaffe, that's a lesson life teaches you. Things are never perfect, just learn to accept things for what they are when you can't change them
Bullshit. You would make a very very bad engineer. You don’t have to take things for granted. Where there is a will, there is a way. At least so for most products offered for consumers. If verybody would follow your philosophy, we would still be living in the ’80.
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aha! so it was just you not knowing how to change the default installation. Well, you could've asked.
exp packs was never planned to be in, most players just want the classic maps anyway. 40min, pretty smooth and fast I'd say. It took me 10min but then im on 100/100 line as well.
refrain to my original phrase. let me talk louder: i know how to change the default instalation, i did. origin doesnt like that, allows it nonetheless, unistalled. redownloaded, put it in the original instalation folder (even trough its my windows partition and i want all my games to be in my games partition) problem solved.
but doesnt matter, i played abd i enjoyed topscoring even trou i havent play the game in 5 years :9. altrough it says a lot about the current fps player base when you see allies spaming granedes in allied positions thinking ff is by default off ;D
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Natty this morning:
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@luftwaffe.be: if it was possible, or worth it, they obviously would have done it. Or, if it actually mattered. Now it doesn't, since everyone can download the new Origin version instead of playing their CD versions :)
An engineer might have spent hundreds of hours merging code, assigning QA to spend hours testing, and do any of all the many tasks that goes in to releasing games on the internet. Now, engineers don't decide things, so that is not what happened. That is why a new Origin version of the game was released, because: it's easier for CD users to download the Origin version than what it is for DICE to make the two versions compatible. 8)
Bugs? No one ever stated this version would have changed any content, this is not a new patch.
No of course I dont insult your intelligence, only your effort to attempt to view things from another point than 'angry gamer' or as you state, technical engineer.
True, I would become a bad engineer :) that is why I became a designer instead.
i know how to change the default instalation, i did. origin doesnt like that
"like"?` ;D since when do software "like" things? Just change it in the options, it is very easy and poses zero problems. ok, good.
Bottom line is; free bf1942 version is a chance for the huge battlefield fanbase to be able to play an old game. It's either for the fans that never played it, or for the old fans that havent played it in a long time. Fact is, 90% of the Battlefield fans never played bf1942 or even BF2 for that matter. Most joined with BC2 and BF3, and this is a chance for them to see where it all started.
we done here? 8)
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I'm sure they haven't bothered with it, since EA wants you to try Origin - and hopefully buy shit ;).
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Not even 24 hrs since the thread's creation and it's already half full of shit.
This forum never disappoints. 8)
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so anyone been playing forgotten hope or desert combat on this before i download the whole thing?
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desert combat is possible(0.8) but fh seems to give a "wrong version" message
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whats being played , desert combat 0.7 or DC final?
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desert combat is possible(0.8) but fh seems to give a "wrong version" message
Any installer should work as long as they don't have a specific version check, I already have Desert Combat and Battlefield 1918 installed, I'll check out EOD, Galactic Conquest and maybe Silent Heroes later on. Shame about the FH installer tho, but i'm sure it'll be fixed quick.
Also, to anyone complaining about the expansion packs not being available: If you already own BF1942, you can just cut/copy and paste the expansion pack folders (Xpack1 and Xpack2) into the free version and they'll work with no issues.
whats being played , desert combat 0.7 or DC final?
Last I heard there're no servers being hosted yet, but it couldn't hurt to try and search, I'd be betting on final.
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ok, i got fh running. its not that hard.
first, you have to download a prog for extracting exe files. im using universal extractor (http://www.chip.de/downloads/Universal-Extractor_31656682.html).
with this little tool, you can unzip the three fh 0.7 install files and just copy them together as one fh folder into the bf42 mod folder.
since im using win7, you need to run bf42.exe as administrator and install this little win7 patch (ftp://85.214.86.156/Mappacks/BFPatch/BF1942-vista-win7-fix.rar), restart and go!
unfortunatly, as already mentioned, its incompatible with cd version and there are just two servers running fh atm. hope that will change, cause its fun to play some nostalgia :)
edit: ftp link fixed
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Good to know Topgun, would've known something like that would work, albeit it'll be a bit of a hassle for the less experienced users. :P
Your win7 patch link is broken, btw.
EDIT: Snip
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we can forget about a fh nostalgia trip then. ther is no way someone will go trough all that work and find no servers or not enought players
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Our coders are working with trying to make a download for an installer which works with Origin version, give them some time and hopefully we can see a full FH1 server up soon 8)
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GO INSTALL AND TRY AND PLAY FHSW. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
take a chill-pill and read above^ FH isnt working because the installer is checking for bf42 versions. We're working on it. Take a walk outside, dude.
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I don't own either BF 1942 or Origin. Should I own them both? Or should I just buy the game?
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just donwload origin and install bf1942, you dont have (and should not) pay any money to EA
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I don't own either BF 1942 or Origin. Should I own them both? Or should I just buy the game?
Origin is a great, free platform for games, grab it here: https://origin.com/
It's like Steam but without all the "chat" stuff. It's a digital game shelf more or less, you can keep all your games there without having to bother with DVDs etc. Even if you do buy games in physical format, you dont need to use the DVDs, just enter the serial keys and you get a digital Origin version for free :) (I did so with both Crysis2 and MoH:Warfighter
For Battlefield 1942 you don't need to pay anything, just install :)
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I was tempted to install this since I never played bf1942 but trying to log into Origin gives me :
"An unknown error has occurred. Please restart Origin and try again"...unknown error yup, great "EA technology" as they states in the logo :P
This whole "all digital" mentality is just retarded. Indeed a CD can be scratched or broken or lost but usually it's your fault. Now if you want to rely on digital copies, you can just hope that the download platform actually works, that you don't have any usage restrictions, or worse that the service will not be suddenly shut down for no reason. All in all, if you want to get ride of all the problem that arises, it's ten times more painful. So no, I'll stick with my CD/DVDs...
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Origin is a great, free platform for games, grab it here: https://origin.com/
Trolololololololololo.
I got NFS: The Run LE for Christmas present as a disc version. Having installed it and trying to play, Origin tells me that the game needs to be updated first. Oh well, why not, it should be quickly done. No wait, Origin wants to DOWNLOAD THE ENTIRE FRAKKING GAME instead of just the updated files. Good thing I got a 100/10 conn (was actually bottlenecked by EA's servers), but it still took over an hour to d/l the ~20 gigs.
Great? Sure. Just like WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. ALL HAIL THE BIG BROTHER.
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I don't own either BF 1942 or Origin. Should I own them both? Or should I just buy the game?
Origin is a great, free platform for games, grab it here: https://origin.com/
It's like Steam but without all the "chat" stuff.
It does have chat, friends system and you can see other players profiles and so on. What do you mean?
It does lack group system and couple of other nice things steam does have though.
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It does lack group system and couple of other nice things steam does have though.
*cough* Workshop *cough*
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Falls under other nice things ;)
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GO INSTALL AND TRY AND PLAY FHSW. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
take a chill-pill and read above^ FH isnt working because the installer is checking for bf42 versions. We're working on it. Take a walk outside, dude.
Good news. Be sure to start a thread on battlelog and link it here once you get this sorted.
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God, EA reallt needs to step up their service and star isuing admins on their servers, you woudnt belive the amount of griefers.
Any good european server to play in?
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EA did not even admin their servers when bf1942 was released, so why would they do it now ? :P
That said there are horribly many tk'ers online that's for sure. i guess they come from Bf3 and don't know what FF is :P
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at first I trough that, but when you see a guy shot park his tank in the middle of the airfield and star killing ALL the team.... yea no.
And yes I know, they rather save their money of an admin in more pulicity for more resent tittles. Still, you would *think* Official servers are a place to play the game and not worrie about griefers
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how does one setup a server that will be used for origin players instead of retail?
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I got NFS: The Run LE for Christmas present a
Cool story bro, just uninstall the disc version then get the digital one only. Of course you need to download the whole thing, no biggie.
And yes I know, they rather save their money of an admin in more pulicity for more resent tittles. Still, you would *think* Official servers are a place to play the game and not worrie about griefers
admins?................uh.. lol? wut? why would EA have "admins" on the servers? What do you think this is, some mod? Of course they don't have "admins", they never had that on any servers. Do you know what "dedicated" server even mean? 8)
You think EA would pay "admins" to run around on servers making sure people don't TK each other? wake up
btw; I lol'd 8)
how does one setup a server that will be used for origin players instead of retail?
run dedicated servers.exe
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admins?................uh.. lol? wut? why would EA have "admins" on the servers? What do you think this is, some mod? Of course they don't have "admins", they never had that on any servers.
I know, but just because it always been shit doesnt mean you have to settle for shit ;D
You think EA would pay "admins" to run around on servers making sure people don't TK each other? wake up
btw; I lol'd 8)
run around? you know what a console is? its ok, nobody is born knowing :-*
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Great, let's hope this will boost the player count of the long forgotten (but not quite dead yet) mods...
But I doubt it will without advertising... Most newer BF players don't even know what a mod is...
Original Forgotten Hope pun?
Speaking of original FH- I expect many battles with Finnish soldiers online in that mod now. Better be a population explosion, the game's free and the best of all time!
Although, it has you wonder. If they made the best BF free, what do they consider valuable?
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The quicker the better on that installer... keep us posted. People are really clamoring for it.
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ok, this is mildly embarrassing but
How do I download BF1942.
I already have origin installed.
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run around? you know what a console is? its ok, nobody is born knowing :-*
true, but most people learn, except you it seems. Didnt you understand? "run around" is a figurative way of speaking, it doesnt mean literary "running", maybe we need to speak literary to you...
EA dont have time or people to be "admins" on servers, lol.. just.. accept that you thought they sit and log in on servers and monitor peoples "behaviour" as if this was a Project reality server :D
you got it all wrong. :-*
How do I download BF1942.
I already have origin installed.
http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/sv_SE/html/pbPage.demos-sv_SE
click the yellow download button :)
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Our coders are working with trying to make a download for an installer which works with Origin version, give them some time and hopefully we can see a full FH1 server up soon 8)
Welp this pushed me over the edge to download, if we could get some FH1 servers going again that would be great.
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"like"?` ;D since when do software "like" things?
Didnt you understand? is a figurative way of speaking,
you got it all wrong. :-*
;)
botton line, EA has shit servers with no control whatsoever and they cant even be bothered to install basic scripts like kicking for minus score or when a number of tks hapen. not surpising really.
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How do I download BF1942.
I already have origin installed.
http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/sv_SE/html/pbPage.demos-sv_SE
click the yellow download button :)
Does not work. each time you post a link, it only takes you to the home page.
he needs to go to demo's and find bf1942 in the list and click it.
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"like"?` ;D since when do software "like" things?
Didnt you understand? is a figurative way of speaking,
you got it all wrong. :-*
;)
botton line, EA has shit servers with no control whatsoever and they cant even be bothered to install basic scripts like kicking for minus score or when a number of tks hapen. not surpising really.
People are autokicked after a number of TKs or for minus score. You can also initiate a vote kick. I did so a few times yesterday and they always worked. Free game will always have ass-holes, just like free forums.
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it didnt work in all the servers I joined, there were guys with -56 and still spanwkilling their teammates, and the server didnt kick them. Vote kick sometimes works , sometimes doesnt. Since there are 2 ways to kick a player (team kick and "general" kick), one needing 20 people and the other 33, players get confused and often use the "general" kick, wich needs half the server, not half the team, to kick somebody.
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How do I download BF1942.
I already have origin installed.
http://store.origin.com/store/eaemea/sv_SE/html/pbPage.demos-sv_SE
click the yellow download button :)
Does not work. each time you post a link, it only takes you to the home page.
he needs to go to demo's and find bf1942 in the list and click it.
:-*
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having a blast with desert combat, servers are up
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guys from pixelfighters are also hosting a server for the origin version now!
so get it and fill the server!
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just donwload origin and install bf1942, you dont have (and should not) pay any money to EA
Can I play Forgotten Hope with Origin version of BF 1942?
And no. I'm not gonna give EA any money after what they did with Red Alert 3 and CNC 4...
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Nice... but it doesn't work. Fail. -.-
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Why doesn't any server run coral sea or the battle of the Philippines ? :/
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I just want to say that installing Forgoten hope 0.7 using Oberst topgun's metod at page 5 works just do what he says. I saw one server but it was empty so i played in single player :). Hope to see you in battle asap :)
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Working Origin Install Instructions:
1. Download the FULL version of Forgotten Hope v7 from
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/downloads.php? [forgottenhope.warumdarum.de]
2. Once all the files are finish downloading, you will notice that you are not able to run the exes. Until this is fixed, you will have to use Universal Extractor (I hear 7-zip works as well) to extract the files into individual folders.
3. Once you extract the files, you should have 3 folders, part 1, part 2, and part 3. Copy the contents of part 2 and 3 into part 1. Overwrite if necessary.
4. Move the mods folder from part 1 into your Battlefield 1942 folder.
5. Download this
http://www.moddb.com/mods/fhrmod/downloads/widescreen-and-no-compatibility-fixes-for-fh [moddb.com]
Ignore the widescreen fix, copy the objects.rfa file into your FH/Archives folder and overwrite the other one.
6. Launch the game through your selected method, be it origin or a shortcut.
7. Use the tab in your server browser to select the mod that you have installed. All servers running that mod should show up.
Only a few servers are up at the moment, if you wish to join mine,
Forgotten Hope .7 ORIGIN
216.176.190.74
14567
I'm running on a dedicated box with a Galactic Conquest server as well.
Your game should be working now, make sure you tweak your graphics setting and fix your resolution and FOV for a better experience
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/gaming/bf1942/ [rage3d.com]
Forgotten Hope is a bit wonky, it will crash on map loads occasionally, I have my server on a 45 second load timer for this reason.
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can some1 reupload the torrent?
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botton line, EA has shit servers with no control whatsoever and they cant even be bothered to install basic scripts like kicking for minus score or when a number of tks hapen. not surpising really.
not needed, no one cares about the scores since bf42 dont have any progression system
People could just re-connect to the server and TK again.
They could have turned FF off of course, the game would be more fun.
Don't make a hen out of a feather (again) 8)
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not needed, no one cares about the scores since bf42 dont have any progression system
who is talking about scores? griefing is not about scores, is to piss off players, and if you ban the Ht or cd-key, they cant reconnect again ;). I know its a requirement to leave common sense behind when working for DICE, but please, you HAVE to see it.
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"have" to see what? that it is annoying with griefers? well... did you just discover shooters or?
did you just make a post actually just saying "bad people are mean. I dont want to be TKed"?
and what does dice have to do with it?
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so, EA can stop griefers on their servers, but they dont because, acording to you, we have to get use to them?
nvm, I cant talk to a wall ;D
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read what people say
People are autokicked after a number of TKs or for minus score. You can also initiate a vote kick. I did so a few times yesterday and they always worked. Free game will always have ass-holes, just like free forums.
just pick another server or play another game, really, people enjoy the game, it's only you who's desperatly try to find things to nitpick at when it comes to what EA does... bit exhausting 8)
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ehm....yes, thats what im doing, thanks for the advice, I guess. And no, i dont look for things to nitpick, they are right there, and its simple once you grasp the concept of good services. EA servers are the official servers, new players go there to get their first impresions, and they find griefers, and the server doesnt kick for negative score. Simple as that ;)
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no, they dont all find griefers, only you do. Also, they are experienced shooter players who know how to deal with griefers ;) taking care of griefers in bf1942 is easy, that is why no one complains about this.
play it more and you'll figure it out
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My server has autokick for Teamkillers. If FF gets to be a problem I'll disable it.
Get in here and play fellas, I'm already getting nostalgic in here on Iwo Jima.
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Does your server have any custom maps that we should know of?
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if you bring up servers, please do so for desert combat 0.7, lacking servers for that while there are too many for vanilla.
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My server has autokick for Teamkillers. If FF gets to be a problem I'll disable it.
Get in here and play fellas, I'm already getting nostalgic in here on Iwo Jima.
Sounds great :) What's the name/IP?
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Ready to rumble!
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no, they dont all find griefers, only you do. Also, they are experienced shooter players who know how to deal with griefers ;) taking care of griefers in bf1942 is easy, that is why no one complains about this.
play it more and you'll figure it out
nop, if you bother to read, you will know there are a lot of people who complain about it, maybe spread a bit the chicks so you can hear better? :P. And yes, now I recently joined another EA server, and it now kicks tk's, so at least they do something good, nice!.
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so all your whine was for nothing then 8)
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what, you espected my posts to be heard by EA? :P
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Running two servers, one is a Forgotten Hope server, the other is a Galactic Conquest server. Both have FF autokick.
Forgotten Hope .7 ORIGIN
216.176.190.74
14567
Galactic Conquest v53 Origin
216.176.190.74
14568
Until player count gets a bit higher, I'm gonna keep COOP maps in the rotation along with Conquest.
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Where is the server located, ping appears to be too high for me. :(
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Where is the server located, ping appears to be too high for me. :(
Seattle, you should be alright, had a Swedish guy on earlier with 90ish ping.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/2295176206.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
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Why doesn't any server run coral sea or the battle of the Philippines ? :/
Are the maps even included in this download. They were added later as free maps.
Can't wait to fly the mighty B-17 again. And some lost village on DC. And all the frigging FH1 maps for old time sake.
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all the maps in 1.61 are included, incl coral, LoC, BoB, Aberdeen, phillipines etc.. all patch-maps
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R-tards who start driving your stalin organ after you have set it up and is shelling the enemy... god damn you >:(
But generally I'm loling around on sweclockers. 64 player FF off.
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Must ... have ... a .. 24 Coral sea server. NOaw!
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just came from a coral sea server, you couldnt even take off with the bombs, guns and mines from your own team ;D. El alemain is still a blast trough, those long range tank battles are legendary :P
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Tomorrow once I get everything sorted out, I'll join you guys if I can.
But I haven't played an online game in a long time so I will probably be really horrible.
Anyways see you guys on the battlefield! ;D Just friggin' love FH1
When are you guys usually online? (US East Coast time)
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Well, havn't seen the mod communities pop up again. But have enjoyed playing the old game a lot :D
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
My hard drive died on me today when I was going to play BF142 again, well it died after I installed Origin.
>:( I wanted to play this awesome game!
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now I remember why I preferred FF off servers in bf1942 -_-. The amount of Tking and vehicle damaging douchebags is just incredible
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Killing teammates / getting killed by teammates never added anything to the experience in any game.
It's also highly annoying to be in a firefight with someone, then he gets killed by one of his teammates... total lose-lose scenario for everyone involved.
'tis a ting of the past.
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No it isn't.
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I heavily dislike friendly fire too... It's not needed in public gameplay.. Clan matches, esports etc, hell yes! Public... It just causes a lot of hate and trolls like it.
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Killing teammates / getting killed by teammates never added anything to the experience in any game.
It's also highly annoying to be in a firefight with someone, then he gets killed by one of his teammates... total lose-lose scenario for everyone involved.
'tis a ting of the past.
You are not planning to get rid of friendly fire in FH2, are you? Friendly fire is the best thing that can be done in shooters/ first person games. Otherwise you get rambo games, where nobody aims and shoots and then asks questions. No tactics, no skill. Teamkills are part of every good game, because you actually need to think what you are doing. I shudder if I think about Call of duty multiplayer without teamdamage. Charging in full auto and spamming explosives.
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now I remember why I preferred FF off servers in bf1942 -_-. The amount of Tking and vehicle damaging douchebags is just incredible
Tried three different servers last night, all was with people killing own team player and destroying own tanks and planes.
Is there a administered server? Cause this is getting ridiculous.
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Friendly fire is the best thing that can be done in shooters/ first person games. Otherwise you get rambo games, where nobody aims and shoots and then asks questions. No tactics, no skill. Teamkills are part of every good game, because you actually need to think what you are doing. I shudder if I think about Call of duty multiplayer without teamdamage. Charging in full auto and spamming explosives.
Completely disagree. Of course there is 'tactics' and 'skill' needed without friendly fire. The enemy isn't easier to kill just because you can't frag your teammates, is he? You need to think just as much about what you are doing if you want to win over your enemy. Only difference is you can focus all your attention on him, resulting in a deeper combat experience with the enemy
It's not easier to kill your enemy with FF off.
For FH2, I would have prefered to have it the old bf1942 way that serious server had; FF was on but by a percentage. Some servers had it to 50% meaning a FF shot gives 50% damage to a teammate. Ideal setting in FH2 would be 25%, so he gets injured, but not dead. I don't think anyone really believes that actual ingame experience benefits from FF. It's easy to talk big in forums and claim that "reALIZm Shall pr3vail!!1" but on the servers there's a different thing. FH2 more than BF3 and bf1942 could benefit from FF off, since our weapons are ultra-over powered all of them.
Would be very cool if 762 could run an FF off server a few weeks and evaluate actual ingame experience from players.
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Completely disagree. Of course there is 'tactics' and 'skill' needed without friendly fire. The enemy isn't easier to kill just because you can't frag your teammates, is he? You need to think just as much about what you are doing if you want to win over your enemy. Only difference is you can focus all your attention on him, resulting in a deeper combat experience with the enemy
It's not easier to kill your enemy with FF off.
it is, for instance if you see an enemy and a teammate close, the teammate has not seen the enemy, but you have, and you have a rocket launcher and a rifle, what do you do? in FF off servers, you just blast the rocket, kill the emy without aiming (easy), teammate continius looking in another direction without a clue of what just hapened. In FF on servers, if you are an idiot, you still blast the rocket, kill both guys, recieve penalty for not thinking. OR, draw your rifle, aim quickly ans steady (hard), fire, save your team mate. The last example, also raise inmersion, because now you are into a task (a small one), save your teammate, kill the enemy before he kills him.
There are mutiple cases where having FF off makes playing a lot easier, enemys and frienlys in a building? smap granades, farm points. enemy tanks near buildings with friendlys? Arty the hel out of him, watch firendlys come out of the dust, unharm.
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Friendly fire is also the only thing that prevents StuHs, Sherman 105s and propably ISUs in the future from spamming HE senselessly into fighting areas. ;D
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Friendly fire is also the only thing that prevents StuHs, Sherman 105s and propably ISUs in the future from spamming HE senselessly into fighting areas. ;D
^This
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random specifics
My point was that the encounter between you and the enemy doesnt change. You need to aim just as much to hit enemies with FF on as with FF off. Specific occasions don't justify reducing game play flow for the majority of the round. For every specific occasion you state, I can make 10 for why it would be more fun with it off 8)
Friendly fire is also the only thing that prevents StuHs, Sherman 105s and propably ISUs in the future from spamming HE senselessly into fighting areas. ;D
No it doesn't. They can spam just as well with FF on, the only difference is that their teammates die and get pissed off.
Naah, no point in discussing. It's better with it off. Anyone can see that
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Naah, no point in discussing. It's better with it off. Anyone can see that
No point in discussing. it's better with on, anyone can see that.
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Friendly fire is also the only thing that prevents StuHs, Sherman 105s and propably ISUs in the future from spamming HE senselessly into fighting areas. ;D
No it doesn't. They can spam just as well with FF on, the only difference is that their teammates die and get pissed off.
Naah, no point in discussing. It's better with it off. Anyone can see that
No one spams it now, when FF is on.
Also, FF is better on. More realistic. Anyone can see that. On FH2 that is.
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No point in discussing. it's better with on, anyone can see that.
Nope.avi
Ever wondered why most games move away from it? ;)
I think it's more realistic to fight the enemies, not my own teammates
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For FH, FF has never been a problem because the audience is generally more mature and servers are well monitored. FF prevents nade spam and shooting on sight, an annoyance most shooters have. For vanilla FF is an issue. Poor monitoring + online trolls ruin the experience of all.
ofcourse FF off also has it's issue's : troll gets into tank and camps airfield, shooting down spawning aircraft and nothing you can do. but that's a bargain I'm willing to take
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It is very realistic when a friendly fighter drops a bomb on you and all enemies around you die while you run around.
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The issue here seems to be fun vs immersion. While turning off FF can potentially decrease the amount of frustration for everyone, it can also hurt immersion when you don't have to care where you point your pointy stick... For games that are set in a fictive world this is ok, but for games that try to emulate real world events and situations it can be a detterent for the potential audience.
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Or when someone fires his nadelauncer at his feet, killing enemies near him. But fuck realism, noone needs that, at least its fun. Oh, wait....
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Nope.avi
Ever wondered why most games move away from it? ;)
I think it's more realistic to fight the enemies, not my own teammates
Yep.mpeg
What most games are moving away from it? ;)
I think it's unrealistic to not have to consider if you're teammates are in your way, when you're fighting the enemy.
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FF prevents nade spam and shooting on sight
We limit nades on maps we don't want many deaths from nades to happen
It is very realistic when a friendly fighter drops a bomb on you and all enemies around you die while you run around.
No it's not, but then again I can make a top#100 list of other things which aren't realistic either :) difference is, my things happen all the time all over the server, constantly, while bombs being dropped on friendly is a rare occasion, which don't affect the overall flow of combat much (less than 1% of total game play)
Then again - as in all cases of design - it's not a black-and-white decision. It could totally be that smallarms, roadkills etc don't hurt teammates, while bombs and heavy explosion does.
When developers recognise these gradients and tune the games is when best experiences happen. blindly setting things "on" or "off" based on arbitrary laws is where stale and uninteresting experiences happen. 8)
The issue here seems to be fun vs immersion. While turning off FF can potentially decrease the amount of frustration for everyone, it can also hurt immersion when you don't have to care where you point your pointy stick... For games that are set in a fictive world this is ok, but for games that try to emulate real world events and situations it can be a detterent for the potential audience.
But you do need to care, because you need to point it at enemy and kill him. And when you don't need to worry about the teammates, the interaction between you vs enemy has a good chance of becoming deeper and more exciting.
Or when someone fires his nadelauncer at his feet, killing enemies near him. But fuck realism, noone needs that, at least its fun. Oh, wait....
Again, explosives can hurt you a bit, but not teammates... there's the gradient again. Try BFP4F, pretty much nailed it. You get hurt from your own grenades/explosives, but don't kill teammates.. trust me, I fail alot of time with C4 and nades, often killing or hurting myself with them.
For FH2 and how the maps are designed etc, a decent design for explosives could be;
Enemies = 100% damage
You = 50% damage
Teammates = 25% damage
That would mean by tossing a nade in to an area where both teammates and enemies are, you'd hurt your teammates a bit, not killing them. Then again, already wounded teammates would die, and you yourself would die if you are within say 2meters of the nade and you already had some reduced hitpoints.
It wouldn't be completely unimmersive at all. I mean how often do players from opposing team occupy the same space without killing eachother anyway? A grenade flying in and killing the axis and slightly wounding the allies wouldn't make it less fun to play for the allies. They don't have that awareness, wouldn't be able to say exactly where the nade landed and the "realistic" damages they should take. No one would question what just happened, but game play would triumph.
Open your eyes for these things and take actual test cases as example, and you'll see that all these fears of making FH2 "unrealistic" are just delusions. The mod has potential to be so awesome, but good game play is handcuffed by a bunch of wild speculations and fears. This is sad, and is one of the reasons I will stop developing for the mod. It's like seeing the most brilliant kid in school piss away his talents because he wants to be in some cool group of kids or something. Talent, experiences, game play, all is sacrificed because of some very loose and unwritten and highly subjective ideals that pretty much no one believes in anymore, and which differ from person to person.
That, is heart-aching to see. A real shame and waste of enormous potential.
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Nothing against you in person, but someone already fucked up the tank system. Don´t fix what isn´t broken ffs! >:( I didn´t see anyone complaining about the concept of ff in FH2 before.
FH2 serves a certain niche of players that value something special and authentic, not action hungry 14 year olds. We will never ever reach the numbers of BF3 or Call of Duty. The initial concept was to create a (not hardcore) realistic version of the vanilla Battlefield 1942. Stepping away from that is no delusion that´s just something that doesn´t fit into the cocept of FH2.
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But you do need to care, because you need to point it at enemy and kill him. And when you don't need to worry about the teammates, the interaction between you vs enemy has a good chance of becoming deeper and more exciting.
Please, explain me, oh great god of game design, how does the interaction between you and the enemy suddenly become "deeper and more exciting" if you remove friendly fire? You basically changed nothing, your gun still deals the same damage, your enemy still has the same health, you still have the same options as before, the only thing that changes is that you can now mindlessly hurl whatever explosive you have at hand at any moment, instead of using it as a situational weapon, when the space ahead of you is empty of teammates. You basically remove one thing that the player needs to be aware of and add... nothing?
Or when someone fires his nadelauncer at his feet, killing enemies near him. But fuck realism, noone needs that, at least its fun. Oh, wait....
Again, explosives can hurt you a bit, but not teammates... there's the gradient again. Try BFP4F, pretty much nailed it. You get hurt from your own grenades/explosives, but don't kill teammates.. trust me, I fail alot of time with C4 and nades, often killing or hurting myself with them.
For FH2 and how the maps are designed etc, a decent design for explosives could be;
Enemies = 100% damage
You = 50% damage
Teammates = 25% damage
That would mean by tossing a nade in to an area where both teammates and enemies are, you'd hurt your teammates a bit, not killing them. Then again, already wounded teammates would die, and you yourself would die if you are within say 2meters of the nade and you already had some reduced hitpoints.
It wouldn't be completely unimmersive at all. I mean how often do players from opposing team occupy the same space without killing eachother anyway? A grenade flying in and killing the axis and slightly wounding the allies wouldn't make it less fun to play for the allies. They don't have that awareness, wouldn't be able to say exactly where the nade landed and the "realistic" damages they should take. No one would question what just happened, but game play would triumph.
Open your eyes for these things and take actual test cases as example, and you'll see that all these fears of making FH2 "unrealistic" are just delusions. The mod has potential to be so awesome, but good game play is handcuffed by a bunch of wild speculations and fears. This is sad, and is one of the reasons I will stop developing for the mod. It's like seeing the most brilliant kid in school piss away his talents because he wants to be in some cool group of kids or something. Talent, experiences, game play, all is sacrificed because of some very loose and unwritten and highly subjective ideals that pretty much no one believes in anymore, and which differ from person to person.
That, is heart-aching to see. A real shame and waste of enormous potential.
Yes nobody except the very people that still actually play this mod and love every moment of it. Now I won't say that I would be against toning down explosive damage to teammates in order to help out newcomers not get booted off the server because they didn't know that the thermos nuke has a 50m killing radius, but removing FF completely would just be a stupid move. If by "thriumphant gameplay" you mean holding LMB constantly and pointing in the general direction of the enemy, without caring about teammates, communication or organised advance... then no thanks, I would rather forget about this mod and go play something else...
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how does the interaction between you and the enemy suddenly become "deeper and more exciting" if you remove friendly fire? You basically changed nothing, your gun still deals the same damage, your enemy still has the same health, you still have the same options as before, the only thing that changes is that you can now mindlessly hurl whatever explosive you have at hand at any moment, instead of using it as a situational weapon, when the space ahead of you is empty of teammates. You basically remove one thing that the player needs to be aware of and add... nothing?[/b][/color]
Forget the explosives for a while. 80% of FPS game play happens through the crosshair of the gun, and i already said that sure, explosives could deal damage.
If you can focus all your attention on the enemy, you will obviously be able to commit deeper to those fights than having to worry about what your teammates are doing. This comes down to the very fine fabrics of what makes a compelling gunfight, the micro-decisions you take each second as a player, when to commit, when to evade etc. Having teammates die just disrupts the players attention from his actual targets. When you can give a target your full and undivided attention, then yes it is more exciting IMHO. Your interaction with the enemy becomes cleaner, and you will be able to measure your fails and successes easier comparing to the enemy. Often as well, when many players are standing shooting in the same place (out a doorway for example) it's just silly that I shoot my teammate in the back. No one gains anything from this, and it's distubring our enemies fun, since they want the kill.
We can go really deep and measure each frame a player see for the 2-3 seconds he is involved in a gunfight if you want, from seeing the enemy, to taking the decision what to do, to the ironsight transition, to the aiming, fire, reload/reset of recoild to the actual death of the enemy. During this step-by-step schematic, there are many choices and events that benefit from not having the player deviate his attention from his target. It's the difference between talking to someone who makes eye-contact, and one who keeps looking around the place all the time
The interaction is stronger, deeper & more immersive, without FF, this is my final opinion.
oh an btw, we're discussing FPS games in general and BF4 here. Not FH2... I dont think we will ever change FF in FH2, but I just hope FF will be off in BF4, or at least in normal mode, if they add a hardcore mode it could perhaps be enabled gradually there. All depending on how the rest of the game is designed. Obviously in a game like ArmA FF makes more sense, in Battlefield I think it makes some sense, but shouldnt be 100% across all weapons.
Bombs, hellfire missiles etc = 100%
Tankshells etc = 75%
Grenades, C4, Claymores = 50%
Small Arms, machineguns etc = 25%
Very simple to understand, the larger and more dangerous gun, the more teamdamage it should do.
I still feel FH2 would benefit from such system, but I doubt BF2 supports such tweaks. it's either on or off 100% AFAIK
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I don't want to interrupt your discussion about FF or not FF, but I would like to ask you a question about what this topic is about.
So when can we expect to have a clean installer of FH 0.7 ? As for as I'm concerned, I can join origin servers but they are empty, and I guess it's because for now installing the mod requires too much steps. I hope you'll release it soon so that you can enjoy that wonderful mod on a full server again.
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just played on a 76 player server.
epic 8)
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2142 is only 8 dollars right now! Highly recommend it.
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Anyone know if the Pixel Fighters are going to get the 128 player servers up for FH1 or BF42?
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Since no official updated installer (the original installer doesn't install to the Origin install) has been released in 2+ weeks, I decided to make a torrent of the FH mod folder for easy manual installation.
You guys probably know what to do with the folder, but detailed (but quite simple-drag/drop) install instructions are in the readme.
Download Links
- Torrent Magnet Link (http://magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FE7F470D268F43CADF19C65F00AC8847FE33C753) (opens in your torrent client)
- .torrent download at kat.ph (http://kat.ph/forgotten-hope-0-7-mod-folder-zip-t6828855.html)
or copy/paste into your "Add Torrent" menu in your torrent client:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FE7F470D268F43CADF19C65F00AC8847FE33C753
Me and a few friends are already seeding, and I'd appreciate more seeders if possible. HTTP uploads to regular download websites are appreciated too!
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Since the installer for the FH Fanmappack 6 (http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/news.php?id_news=169) doesn't work with the Origin version anymore I want to create one by myself.
Am I allowed to do so? Who would be the responsible contact person? Thanks
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Me and a few friends are already seeding, and I'd appreciate more seeders if possible. HTTP uploads to regular download websites are appreciated too!
Be sure and post this up here: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/view/2832654348306624773/
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You do realize when you run the installers you can set the install path custom? To origin instead of EA GAMES, and the mod will install just fine. Then you only need that Win7 fix.
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That doesn't work because the installer checks if your BF1942 is patched to 1.61b and if it isn't it refuses to install sadly.
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That doesn't work because the installer checks if your BF1942 is patched to 1.61b and if it isn't it refuses to install sadly.
Really? It worked fine for me.
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Haven't tried myself but if you've got the cd version also already installed?
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Haven't tried myself but if you've got the cd version also already installed?
Yup. I had both. And it worked fine.
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Exactly, if the installer checks for correct version then you already had it so it didn't fail and you got it where you wanted as the game doesn't require you to install it on the correct place after all ;) So those who don't have original installed then they can't do the installation in an easy way
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Since no official updated installer (the original installer doesn't install to the Origin install) has been released in 2+ weeks, I decided to make a torrent of the FH mod folder for easy manual installation.
You guys probably know what to do with the folder, but detailed (but quite simple-drag/drop) install instructions are in the readme.
Download Links
- Torrent Magnet Link (http://magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FE7F470D268F43CADF19C65F00AC8847FE33C753) (opens in your torrent client)
- .torrent download at kat.ph (http://kat.ph/forgotten-hope-0-7-mod-folder-zip-t6828855.html)
or copy/paste into your "Add Torrent" menu in your torrent client:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FE7F470D268F43CADF19C65F00AC8847FE33C753
Me and a few friends are already seeding, and I'd appreciate more seeders if possible. HTTP uploads to regular download websites are appreciated too!
Hi all and for you "CossRooper"!
First thank you about your work about "FH folder wthout installer".
I tested it on:
Windows 7 32 and 64 bits; Windows8; (for BF42 CD version and also for BF42 Origin Version) and on Linux Kubuntu+Wine (for BF42 CD version). All is running fine.
I make a suggestion for you ;
Please do ask the Leader (chief) of PFC (my friend Grabbi) put in downloadable files (Download section of PFC) "your full FH" folders. For this send a private message to Grabbi site "Pixel Fighter Commubity." You can also discuss this via Teamspeak (Grabbi speaks also in English and many other languages).
Best regards and sorry for my mistakes in English cause English is not my native language.
joeldecaroual22 AK joeldecaroual AK sgtgarcia technical support forum on somua.com in France and on Pixel Fighter Community in Germany.
http://www.somua.com/forum/index.php?showforum=135
http://www.pixel-fighter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=15
PS: About fan mappack n°6 the easiest solution is to extract with 7Zip (free) all the maps in a folder and after copy all these maps in FH Mod maps folder
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(http://forgottenhope1.com/serverviewer/server-signature.php?IP=83.169.10.165&port=23000&template=) (http://pfctb://83.169.10.165:14567)
Toolbox dl:
http://85.214.86.156/toolbox/PFC_Toolbox_First_setup.exe
(http://85.214.86.156/pics/fh-origin-toolbox.jpg)
ftp dl link:
ftp://85.214.86.156/Mappacks/Mods/Forgotten_Hope_0.7_origin_win7.exe
Credits go to KEV4000 ! We just checked it and host the installer files !
Greetings
Grabbi
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Great work Kev4000, now this shall be posted in the main page ! 8)
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DLed it a few days ago, ah the memories of the best game ever.
But i do have problems with high resolutions, CTDs when going up to 1440xsomething... weird thing as the same thing happens in BF2142 :|
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It's strange, according to this website (http://www.widescreengaming.net/wiki/Battlefield_1942), the 1440x900 resolution should work. FYI I'm running the game in 1600x900. Have you tried with lower, yet custom, resolution. Did it work ?
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It's strange, according to this website (http://www.widescreengaming.net/wiki/Battlefield_1942), the 1440x900 resolution should work. FYI I'm running the game in 1600x900. Have you tried with lower, yet custom, resolution. Did it work ?
Yeah, i'm running 800x600, game works fine but nametags and such are all messed up.
I should also be able to run it in 1600x900, that is my monitor standard resolution.
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DLed it a few days ago, ah the memories of the best game ever.
But i do have problems with high resolutions, CTDs when going up to 1440xsomething... weird thing as the same thing happens in BF2142 :|
ftp://85.214.86.156/Mappacks/BFPatch/BF1942CF.rar
then you can go up to 1600x1200 @ 32bit, depending on your screen limits.
BF1942CF (Battlefield 1942 Compatibility Fix) is a Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit fix database (.sdb file) in an executable installer.
This sets only the individual compatibility fixes necessary to run BF1942 with FH in Vista and Win7 without invoking the complete OS compatibility mode. The full mode contains a long list of fixes that aren't required for BF1942 and cause unnecessary system restrictions.
The other useful feature of using a tailor made fix is that it is not seen by PunkBuster as Win98 compatibility mode, which was excluded by evenbalance and will cause kicks from PB enabled BF1942 (and FH) servers.
EmulateHeap - emulates the functionality of the Windows 9x heap manager
NoGhost - no window ghosting
Win98VersionLie - Hooks the GetVersion and GetVersionEx APIs so that they return Windows 98 version credentials
refer here
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=15702.0
Resolution upgrades added.
Greetings
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DLed it a few days ago, ah the memories of the best game ever.
But i do have problems with high resolutions, CTDs when going up to 1440xsomething... weird thing as the same thing happens in BF2142 :|
ftp://85.214.86.156/Mappacks/BFPatch/BF1942CF.rar
then you can go up to 1600x1200 @ 32bit, depending on your screen limits.
BF1942CF (Battlefield 1942 Compatibility Fix) is a Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit fix database (.sdb file) in an executable installer.
This sets only the individual compatibility fixes necessary to run BF1942 with FH in Vista and Win7 without invoking the complete OS compatibility mode. The full mode contains a long list of fixes that aren't required for BF1942 and cause unnecessary system restrictions.
The other useful feature of using a tailor made fix is that it is not seen by PunkBuster as Win98 compatibility mode, which was excluded by evenbalance and will cause kicks from PB enabled BF1942 (and FH) servers.
EmulateHeap - emulates the functionality of the Windows 9x heap manager
NoGhost - no window ghosting
Win98VersionLie - Hooks the GetVersion and GetVersionEx APIs so that they return Windows 98 version credentials
refer here
http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.php?topic=15702.0
Resolution upgrades added.
Greetings
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