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Announcements => Developer Blogs => Topic started by: Ts4EVER on 28-06-2012, 16:06:25
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Schadenfreude is the best Freude
There is nothing more satisfying than blowing up something that belongs to somebody else. Because of that time honored principle, we are proud to announce:
Objective mode
Devotees might remember that there actually already is an objective mode in FH2. However, it is never played, which is why the game mode was redesigned by Natty. The new objective mode is similar to sector push: The attacking team needs to blow up all targets in one sector to unlock the next. Objectives can be anything from radios over aa guns to parked tanks. They are marked on the minimap with a yellow star. If a sector is still locked, the objectives can not be blown up. There is a short delay before the new objectives spawn, giving the defending team time to set up their positions and making back sneaking very hard. As always, the attackers have to destroy all objectives to stop the bleed.
Operation Hyacinth
This was the original objective map, so naturally the new game mode was applied to it by Natty, alongside tons of other improvements.
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2584/hy4.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/hy4.jpg/)
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8413/hy6e.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/hy6e.jpg/)
The airfield is the first sector: Several Italian planes are just waiting to be blown up or machine gunned by SAS raiding parties.
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/945/hy21.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/hy21.jpg/)
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4030/hy26.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/hy26.jpg/)
In sectors 2 and 3 the objectives are Italian tanks and radio equipment.
Anctoville
This 2.25 map has been converted into an objective map, giving a whole new spin to its gameplay. Certain forum members will also be glad to hear that the British will now receive support from a Churchill tank.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7539/ancto8.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/ancto8.jpg/)
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/144/ancto5.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/265/ancto5.jpg/)
In the first sector they will have to blast their way into the city, destroying several anti-tank barriers.
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7807/ancto30.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/ancto30.jpg/)
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7837/ancto2.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/ancto2.jpg/)
After that they have to go after anti air guns and radios before hitting the Germans where it really hurts: Their Panthers.
This new game mode will bring a totally new experience to FH2, combining the fast and aggressive gameplay of Sector Push with the joy of blowing things up. On both Anctoville and Hyacinth, Objective mode will be found in the 64 player layer, once 2.45 is released.
New tanks
Last but not least, here is a screenshot of the Sherman 105 that a member of the community requested. And because we are in a good mood, we will also throw in a Cromwell with 95mm gun.
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9227/cromwell4.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/cromwell4.jpg/)
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2474/sherman7.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/sherman7.jpg/)
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Sweet! :D
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That sounds awesome.
Like Bf3 Rush! and I love Bf3 Rush.
A pity that all these modes won't be playable in Coop because they could become my new favorites and I'd want to play them all day long. Well, at least the days Im at home. Damn weak AI.
But looking forward to the experience in MP.
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great news I love objective modes I hope we will see more in future maps.
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Whoa! :o Getting more and more excited about the next version!
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Woah awesome!
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Can the Germans use the Panther on new anctonville?
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Very nice stuff there ! Keep it coming :)
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Can the Germans use the Panther on new anctonville?
No they can't, the Panthers are "parked" and the germans job is to defend them against the ninja brits
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Nice to see objectives in 64.
[...]once 2.45 is released.
Can't wait ^^
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this is going to be great cant wait :)
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There is just so much to comment on in this Dev Blog... I was literally giggling with excitement as I read through each section haha.
1. Objective mode is going to be 'effing sweet. And I love that it's incorporated into the new sector push methodology as well.
2. I am so infinately pumped that Anctoville and Hyacinth are getting some well deserved lovin'. I've been saying for years now that these two maps have SO much potential, all they needed was a little tweaking.
3. Extremely well thought out move having the 64 player layer as the objective mode. It will see a lot more play time now.
4. The Sherman 105 and the 95mm Cromwell are going to be an absolute blast (pun ;)) to play with!
5. Holy freaking crap. Not only are we getting a TON of new material for the upcoming patch, EVERYTHING I thought I knew about FH is going to be turned upside down! The existing maps are getting so many improvements, King of the Hill-Sector Push-Objectives game modes will bring SO much more diversity to the game, and this isn't even the release information!
And to think that just a couple months ago I was getting worried FH was slowing down ::)
I literally just want to stand up and applaud the entire FH team right now. Especially Natty and Ts4EVER. Natty, it is incredibly apparent you put an unbelievable amount of time working towards the next release and I can't wait to play all the maps you've tweaked. And Ts4EVER, thanks so much for stepping up and writing up all these recent Dev blogs.
I would like to offer my personal sincere thank you to the entire FH team. I absolutely love this game. I'm not a "gamer" by any stretch of the imagination, but Forgotten Hope has had me captivated for the past seven years. Keep up the great work guys, and don't forget for a minute how much we all appreciate what you've done.
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Wow! A couple of days ago after reading the King of the Hill mode post I started thinking that it might be good idea that Fh2 devs re-introduce 'Capture the flag' or 'Gold rush' modes once again.....lo and behold came this new post.
Hyacinth looks absolutely gorgeous with the new night lighting. Have managed to play this map in objective mode only a couple of times in the past and it was always great...especially if you were in a good teamplay oriented squad.
Anctoville: Since it was introduced I've always loved this map mainly because of the rain and gloom & doom looks. The new play modes will make it far more interesting. One question: How will the British Engineers destroy the wall and gates?...simply by throwing grenades/satchel charges or does one need a special kit? (PDH Engi. Kit)?
Finally the new tanks look fantastic!
All in all a GREAATT update! Excellent job devs!!
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Barriers are blown up by satchels or Composite B.
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awesome things are happening, most def... would love to see objective mode on St. Lo one day (perhaps the 32p version? or add another 64p version if possible) :)
im so pumped for the release!
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just because 762 doesn't play the map doesn't mean that Op Hyacinth objective is "never" played. (perhaps rarely or infrequently would better suffice as a descriptive term?)
sometimes the choice of words on these updates can be very confusing. Overall though, there is always promise to freshening up the oldie's with a new coat of paint so to speak.
Too bad Anctoville doesn't get the Churchill AVRE, this would be a great map for it with anti-tank barriers and all.
edit: sp.
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Saying that is never played doesn't mean it is never played :) we generalise a lot, it's how development works.
General FH2 game play won't offer you Hyacinth. In plain words: we want it played more.
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Certain forum members will also be glad to hear that the British will now receive support from a Churchill tank.
Guess who...
Also: great work for the new mode. AND happy to see the Centaur finally included. The 2.45 will be the patch of the heavy artillery
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Too bad Anctoville doesn't get the Churchill AVRE, this would be a great map for it with anti-tank barriers and all.
Now here's a good thought. I know the AVRE was designed to destroy fortifications, but it would be so awesome to have that monster for close infantry support. I feel it would be pretty balanced too. Slow, slow reload time, but kickass firepower and armor.
And now we patiently await Von Mudra's response clarifying how undoubtedly historically inaccurate it would be to slap an AVRE in Anctoville :) haha
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Are StuHs also in next patch?
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Are StuHs also in next patch?
Look at "Sunny side up" in developer blog, last pic.
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Barriers are blown up by satchels or Composite B.
Finally! A nice use for the Statchel and Composite B. I taught they were useless.
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Now here's a good thought. I know the AVRE was designed to destroy fortifications, but it would be so awesome to have that monster for close infantry support. I feel it would be pretty balanced too. Slow, slow reload time, but kickass firepower and armor.
dont worry, i have better plans for that tank 8)
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i bet no one includes it in their plans, but im pretty sure that AVRE would double the amount of accidental tks online :P
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tks are part of the joy of playing FH2.
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i bet no one includes it in their plans, but im pretty sure that AVRE would double the amount of accidental tks online :P
just wait for 105mm sherman, StuH and Cromwell Mk. VI ;D
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I feel alot standing on top of a hill shooting HEs into a spawnpoint incoming - especially with Cromwell and Sherman with Howitzer - and pretending your supporting your inf.
Dont know if I will like these things as Axis Player.
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Great update guys! One complaint however: The current image host you are using for those pictures has an assload of ads. Would it be possible to use a different image hosting site next time please?
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Ah finally we see the objective mode used more... Just like in the good old days of FH... Good job!
Now where are my Battle of Britain and Bombing the Reich? ::)
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Now here's a good thought. I know the AVRE was designed to destroy fortifications, but it would be so awesome to have that monster for close infantry support. I feel it would be pretty balanced too. Slow, slow reload time, but kickass firepower and armor.
dont worry, i have better plans for that tank 8)
Fuck. Yeah. Can't wait boss, I'm sure it will be awesome 8)
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Saying that is never played doesn't mean it is never played :) we generalise a lot, it's how development works.
General FH2 game play won't offer you Hyacinth. In plain words: we want it played more.
Speaking in generalities that discourage players from getting online is never a good idea.
Kind of like how Azreal caused many of us to shit bricks with his resignation posting (which IMO was welcome but not necessarily properly conveyed).
Ah finally we see the objective mode used more... Just like in the good old days of FH... Good job!
Now where are my Battle of Britain and Bombing the Reich? ::)
the tournament's did these ages ago, proved that they worked and then got pushed away. We eventually need a "best of tournament's map pack" or perhaps an actual implementation of the Fanmaps (regardless of whether or not 2 dozen beta's and Dev's like them)
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With the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is probably the 5th time I say this:
When a map is sent / submitted to us that we don't need to do any work on, it's finished from a design, art and tech stand point, and we think it looks great and is fun & balanced to play. A finalized map. We'd add it to the mod, without hesitation.
Maybe I should add this to my sig?
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Great update guys! One complaint however: The current image host you are using for those pictures has an assload of ads. Would it be possible to use a different image hosting site next time please?
One way to get around this is opening only one pic, zooming in (if you like ofc) and pressing the arrows for next pics. This way you'll get the hateful popups only once. Popupblockers might achieve success aswell.
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Wakain you are right, the blog maker should instead just update the map section on the website and link from there to the blog :) (images hosted on our webserver, not imageshack) I have requested that now. Thanks
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Wakain you are right, the blog maker should instead just update the map section on the website and link from there to the blog :) (images hosted on our webserver, not imageshack) I have requested that now. Thanks
Cheers, much appreciated, good way to ensure the website remains up to date as well ;)
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. Certain forum members will also be glad to hear that the British will now receive support from a Churchill tank.
WAIT WHAT?
WHY DID I MISSED THIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwlJIo0In0
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95mm on totalize? now i kinda feel a sort of.. mirror balance.. dont ask me why or how.. i just got that feeling.. that feeling..
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There is nothing to mirror Cromwell VI on totalize, actually. It's a fast vehicle with short barreled cannon which isn't great against armor and not so powerfull as german artillery HEs, so it is nothing to compare with Tiger's 88 canon or Wespe's 105mm.
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yeah ... Very weak against tanks ... with ONLY 110 mm armor penetration with HEAT ammo 8)
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There is nothing to mirror Cromwell VI on totalize, actually. It's a fast vehicle with short barreled cannon which isn't great against armor and not so powerfull as german artillery HEs, so it is nothing to compare with Tiger's 88 canon or Wespe's 105mm.
in that case, i am mistaken :)
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Looks amazing. I still have a fantasy about having an FH map with the Lancaster bomber (already exists as a BF2 aircraft) with bombing objectives and fighters defending the Lancaster. Axis side could have objective of getting in by sea and sabotaging the airfield ;D.
That sounds awesome.
Like Bf3 Rush! and I love Bf3 Rush.
A pity that all these modes won't be playable in Coop because they could become my new favorites and I'd want to play them all day long. Well, at least the days Im at home. Damn weak AI.
But looking forward to the experience in MP.
Part of the Coop/SP objectives and push fixes that need to be done are already understood. See Issue 51: Plugins fix for FH 2.4 (http://code.google.com/p/forgotten-hope-singleplayer/issues/detail?id=51) (Tracking and Issues for Forgotten Hope AI). So here's a call for some Python fixes from FH dev's or interested parties 8).
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The 95mm howitzer was not as powerfull as 105mm howitzers but was specially designed for tanks and had a much faster Rate of fire. 7 Rounds a minute where easily achieved in a cromwell, centaur and churchill CS tank.
HE and HESH where the most common rounds. HESH being for bunkers but HESH was quickly found to be devestating against light and medium tanks (Thus an impact on the side of a PZIV should have deadly effects)
HEAT was implented in 3-5 rounds per vehicle. Penetration of the HEAT round was 110mm at a 30degree angle. Sufficient to lay waste to PZIV/Stugs. The tiger's frontall hull should take damage, but not the turret. Panther should in theory be immune, even tough the gun mantlet is 100mm thick.
Sides of these tanks are paper tough ;D
Both British CS, sherman 105 and StUH 42 there HE shell should damage tanks tough.