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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #345 on: 10-07-2014, 17:07:43 »
I'm sad we can't see a classic final between Ned and Ger, but I'm sure we get a chance next EC, or maybe next WC.

A classic final would be Brasil v. Argentina as they have one of the most recognized rivalries in Football, that'd be awesome.

But you know, Brasil sucks...

GER.ARG is the most played final in WC history, counting 3. First one in 1986 which ended in a victory for Argentina and then in 1990 which ended in a victory for Germany, with a penalty that even wasn't a penalty.


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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #346 on: 10-07-2014, 17:07:22 »
I've just realized that Argentina never conceded more than 6 goal anywhere. Also never lose with margin larger than 5 goals. That record was topped by Brazil two days ago. I watched a history.

Anyway, Argentina get their Di Maria back, so their midsections won't be the limping meatbags like when against the Netherlands. Messi can be a bit relieved.

A bit about Bra vs Ger (WC 2014).

A lot of comments many major news websites pointed out that Germany has a team, while others only have superstars. Germany tucked in their shirts, cut their hair neat, trimmed their facial hairs, and posed like gentlemen. While others unfurl their craziest hair style, inked every square centimeters of their skin, and pierced every body parts. The British might be the most self-loathing fans here. Some pointed out that they opted to go the "spice-boy" and outrageous pop culture nonsense way back in late 1990s, instead of maintaining their old fashioned witty gentlemanly attitude.
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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #347 on: 10-07-2014, 18:07:04 »
A classic final would be Brasil v. Argentina as they have one of the most recognized rivalries in Football, that'd be awesome.
Yes, that would be one classic final. Ned-Ger would be another classic final. In South America the Bra-Arg rivalry is the most famous, but in Europe, the Ned-Ger rivalry is one of the classics.

Btw, you posted a lot about anti-football, while Argentina was playing exactly that yesterday, too.

Germany (..) trimmed their facial hairs, ...
Except Andre Schurrle  ;)

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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #348 on: 10-07-2014, 19:07:36 »


Btw, you posted a lot about anti-football, while Argentina was playing exactly that yesterday, too.



Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players, I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.


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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #349 on: 10-07-2014, 19:07:53 »
Argentine played cowarly against Belgium last week :/ the most time stalling match ever.
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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #350 on: 10-07-2014, 19:07:13 »
Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players, I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.

You didn't see the guy trying to cut Sneijder's lower leg in two? All the fouls on Robben? The Dutch didn't play clean either I won't deny that, but don't pretend Argentine played fair.
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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #351 on: 10-07-2014, 20:07:40 »
Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players, I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.

You didn't see the guy trying to cut Sneijder's lower leg in two? All the fouls on Robben? The Dutch didn't play clean either I won't deny that, but don't pretend Argentine played fair.

The Sneijder incident, yeah, I think it's more due to Demichelis being a brute and a limited player than going directly to break the dutchman (It's like saying that Zuñiga broke Neymar's vertebra on purpose, he did that because he is a brute, he is limited on the defense, he didn't meant to do that).., the fouls on Robben? I don't recall Robben being fouled constantly, you can't say Argentina played Antifootball when they attacked more, then Holland's strategy was the same as the Argentine, mark Messi for Holland and mark Robben for us.

There were a few incidents for both side, I think the Netherlands walks off being the most violent, even though they were not 2010 Final level.., cutting every Argentine buildup with tackles (Not the most violent ones tho), the Dutchman with his legs extended that almost cut Biglia on half and the foul without ball on, Enzo Perez I think it was, prior to Higuain missing his goal.

Belgium was far more violent, that De Jong-like kick on Biglia...


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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #352 on: 10-07-2014, 20:07:19 »
Argentine played cowarly against Belgium last week :/ the most time stalling match ever.
The Belgians didn't exactly look wonderful either though, did they?  And I was backing them 100%.  I think we really only saw their full potential vs the Yanks. 

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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #353 on: 10-07-2014, 21:07:54 »
Did they? I haven't seen Argentine players fouling constantly on Dutch players,
OK, agreed. Not constantly. In fact, I was glad to see that Argentina only used the foul a few times (although the Sneijder kick was too much).
I didn't see Argentine defend with 11 for 85 minutes..., in fact, that applies more to the Netherlands... to be honest.
Really? Wonderful how you can see the same match and think almost 100% the opposite. Both teams were mostly defending, but especially in the second half and in the extra 30 minutes, the Netherlands went for a goal harder than Argentina. And so they were defending with 10 (not Messi), for 75 minutes.

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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #354 on: 10-07-2014, 23:07:11 »
That guy tucking on the shirt of Robben and the referee just looking the other way really annoyed me.
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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #355 on: 10-07-2014, 23:07:05 »
In my opinion you can't blame each other of playing anti football. It felt more like an agreement to play anti football from both teams. The one or other slightly more offensive phase for NL/ARG which maybe lasted 5 minutes for each team is not a factor.

It's the consequence of an ARG team that sets up defensively as the NL offense can be very capable and the NL team on the other hand going with a defensive setting as well, which - in my opinion - is nothing they are good at. NL was afraid that when they open up and play more offensively ARG is able to make easy counter attacks of course and the risk would have been surely there. Anyway, you can not hope for a penalty shootout in such a situation. I expected the Dutch to finally go over into a more offensive set, latest with the start of the extra-time. Having 2 penalty shootouts in a row is always a tricky situation, even more having the Krul-for-Cilissen-incident in mind.

So the attempts to really risk something and win it were non existing for both teams. I think van Gaal gambled that game away. The offensive capabilities were there, you just need to let them out of their cage and play your game rather than going with such a defensive setting and adapting to an enemy that was not all that dangerous the whole WC. Although ARG significantly improved with every game.

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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #356 on: 11-07-2014, 00:07:33 »
Before the game, Van Gaal said to a journalist that he was out of tricks. After the game, he said that he had put all his hopes on Huntelaar to make the decisive goal in the extra time.

Of course, that last thing was not Van Gaal at his best. Also putting Vlaar in as first penaltykicker was not Van Gaal at his best. But what Van Gaal does well, is forging a team from a group of underdogs, and let them act above their usual abilities. In that aspect, Van Gaal succeeded 100%, because (next to) nobody in the Netherlands expected this team to get to the semifinals: most even thought that it wouldn't survive the group stage. For that, I respect Van Gaal.

Also, the failure of EC 2012 is washed away and the future of our team looks bright with all these youngsters playing in this WC like they never did anything different. Almost all players from the Eredivisie can count on attention from big clubs, and I'm sure a few of them will make a nice transfer this summer.

All we need is an upcoming talent in the attacking line, we have a few good wingers, but we need a central striker like Van Persie or Huntelaar, and I haven't seen him yet on the Dutch fields. Well, we'll see. After all, Van Persie started out like a winger too.

I hope they can commit themselves to a good game on Saturday. Giving it away to Brazil would be an embarassment.

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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #357 on: 11-07-2014, 03:07:41 »
Louis said that two players refused to take the first shot so Concrete Ron mumbled he'd do it. Still man of the match on the Dutch side even if he missed.
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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #358 on: 11-07-2014, 09:07:12 »
If the next coach reverts back to 4-4-3. We would have Depay on left, Huntelaar central, he is still young enough and on the right Lens ??


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Re: World cup in Brasil 2014
« Reply #359 on: 11-07-2014, 11:07:47 »
What Torenico means was during the late games, where the Dutch were gaining more possession, they started to hesitate. I saw a lot of ball being played into Kuyt and he hesitated on pressing forward and decided to pass the ball back into De Jong or Blind or Vlaar, which then switched into the other wing, Janmaat. It is annoying, because Kuyt at times can be so fast and outrun Zabaleta despite his fierce defending. The only guy playing good there is Robben and Janmaat. They are lively, and Robben demonstrated a lot of dribbling excellence, full of class and very composed. He no longer dive as often as before (now the habit belongs to Neymar Jr.).

Also, RVP is being marked to death and seemed clueless around the field. He should have been replaced earlier by Hunterlaar. Then there is De Jong, ugh... I don't know about why he still plays. He is harsh and effective as defender, but in a team setup like that, he is just too stiff. It was a wasted sub that Jordy Clasie must take over his place.

My brother said Van Gaal should have played the 3-4-3 he used against Costa Rica. I say, he should played Depay. We agreed that the decision to start with Nigel De Jong was a mistake.

Argentina on the other hand, do not budge after losing possession, they replied with dangerous counter attacks. They don't hesitate on risking their ball possession with Biglia, Mascherano not hesitating to press forward once they got the ball. Which usually ended up Higuain or Lavezzi hitting the Dutch defensive wall. But they are also playing defensively on their end though. You can't blame them, because it is such an important game. They just can't risk it, just like the Dutch.