1.) Oh right, I forgot... It's easy for the people to make diplomatic changes during a tyranny, especially when they're screaming "we want our guns back, you're not playing by the rules!" I'm sure that will be heeded well...
Seeing signs means the tyranny isn't there (yet). So you're off on the wrong foot here.
See, here I disagree... I can name countless times before, the people get too accustomed to living off and relying on the government to see what is happening before their own eyes; until it is too late of course.
2.) Not exactly patriotic, courageous, or even an attempt to solve the issue; you can only flee for so far for so long.
I'd rather live in a different country than die "courageously". Patriotism is yet another totally outdated thing (albeit ia little less than the 1776 stuff). I'm getting the feeling that old-fashioned stuff is really, really important for you.
Well, I can agree that blind Patriotism is an outdated thing... fighting for your country because the King/Queen, President, Dictator, whoever says you should, whether you fully agree or not. However, a Patriot fighting for freedom and the defense of weak is still a rather noble idea. No, "old-fashioned stuff" isn't necessarily really important to me, I like some traditions and the idea of values and morals... which definitely appears to be outdated today.
It's rather selfish to only be concerned with ourselves and our own life-times.
I'm not. I'm simply not as afraid of an eventual tyranny as you are. [/quote]
It's funny how those taking the 'anti-gun' side are always including the word(s): "afraid, fear, scared". to me it seems like the only ones scared are them. They're the ones
afraid of private citizens in possession of guns, even their own loving neighbors possessing guns, etc...
Not entirely, no. It's worked for 230+ years... why change it now. Please, for the sake of my sanity, don't give me the: "Because it's the 21st and people are more civilized, blah blah blah rhetoric."
Hunting and gathering worked for 1000s of years, why did they change it around 10.000 BC? Stupid people...
In some places it hasn't, and they live perfectly content. I'm not saying that's my lifestyle... but if it works for you, who's right is it to tell them to stop?
People are animals
No, they're not,. Although I'm getting the feeling that they might be over at your place.
Oh really, so what's the major genetic difference between us and other mammals? We all born with certain innate instincts...
I'd re-examine a little of your history there; not all my examples were from the 18 century.
I know that, but that's beside the point. You did get the pojnt, right? Or is it that you don't want to get it?
Oh no, I got what you were trying to say. Although it was ill conceived, as several I quoted from were mid to late 20th century... which isn't the 18th century, in fact, it's pretty close to modern times.
Not quite following you're "micro-level" bit.
When a man owns a gun, he will use it earlier than a man who doesn't own one, simply because you can't use what you don't own. Clearer?
Why must he/she use it all all? I personally know many people who own firearms and haven't used them, nor really have the desire to do so.
Maybe your government NOW is benign and peaceful, but can you guarantee a change in administration will yield the same ideology?
A bit rhetoric this one. I have enough confidence in my country, and in Europe as a whole, to not turn into tyranny or make genocide in the near future. Like I said, I'm not as afraiad as you are.
Wow, this is a really bold statement, which has proved dangerous in the past. Once again, I'm not necessarily talking about the
'near future'. ...And here we go again with the "afraid" statement... the only one that seems afraid here is you. Afraid of every other citizen.
1.) Yes, I do believe strongly in the right to be arms, however, not as strong as many. If I honestly knew banning firearms from citizens would make the would a better place I'd be all in. Except from experience, evidence and history I just happen to know differently.
Apart from experience there is enough evidence and history which proves you're wrong.
It's obvious we disagree, and I'd pull evidence if I thought it might actually convince you a little. However, I know differently, so why waste both out time?
2.) How many criminals? It's not too bad, as long as you avoid Hartford...oh and New Heaven.
Ok, so it's quite exceptional. Like overhere. So why the fear that they might "take over"?
Not entirely. Hartford is the state capital, and New Heaven is another large city. Fear who will "take over". I don't fear anyone will "take over" now. I'm not even sure where that statement came from...
How hard is it to discuss without mentioning the nazis all the time? Come on, man...
Okay, I don't have to use Nazi Germany... as I said before, how about the Rape of Nanking, Mao's Regime, The Pol Pot Regime in Cambodia, Darfur, the Rwandan Genocide, Stalin's Famine, just to name a few... Hitler/Nazi Germany is not necessarily the exception to the rule, in fact it's wasn't even the worse genocide; just probably the best known. Especially here, on the forums, which is why it's commonly referenced. Others were more discrete or successful, and remember my friends... the Victors write the history books.
Unfortunately Slayer, you left out a lot of my responses I was looking forward to answers for.
@ PanzerKnacker,
"So when you have people like that, and who get blamed (at the first glance- rightfully so) for the catastrophic economical situation, and the nation accepts it, it's very easy to get rid of them." Wow, did I just read that right? Sounds like someone still believes all that 'Father Germany' propaganda.
"Looks like Hitler didn't want the people he conquered have weapons which they could use to rebel against him. No shit!
That's common sense, you disarm the enemy! Oh no, no, just give them the guns, it's their right to have them, who cares what they use them for, hunting, sport, killing german soldiers, seriously, it doesn't matter!"Except the majority of the German citizens were his biggest fans, they
trusted him, looked up to him and didn't think he could do any wrong. Most of his citizens weren't going to Rebel against him, just probably help exterminate the Jews.