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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #15 on: 19-01-2012, 18:01:19 »

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Bitch please
Keep your pumas

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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #16 on: 19-01-2012, 19:01:38 »
He was not wrong. Amateurs talk tactics, pros talk logistics.

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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #17 on: 19-01-2012, 19:01:37 »
Stukas? The ********'s will take care of them.
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #18 on: 19-01-2012, 19:01:46 »
Stukas? The ********'s will take care of them.

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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #19 on: 19-01-2012, 19:01:31 »

Flak 88's where found incapable of penetrating the churchill frontally at kidney ridge  ;D 8)
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #20 on: 19-01-2012, 20:01:48 »
So? In FH2 they still do, rage on, fanboy
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #21 on: 19-01-2012, 20:01:42 »
88 L/56 should penetrate the Churchill Mk. IIIs hull from 1.400 metres with early APCBC ammunition.

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #22 on: 19-01-2012, 20:01:21 »
 One day, nobody will believe but this thread was about bastogne.  :-[
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #23 on: 19-01-2012, 20:01:52 »
88 L/56 should penetrate the Churchill Mk. IIIs hull from 1.400 metres with early APCBC ammunition.

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/

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Of the six Churchills engaged, 2nd Lt. Appleby's tank (see photograph below) was destroyed after being hit in excess of fifty times, eight of which coming from "friendly fire." Later examination showed that the Churchill, despite all the hits, was only penetrated three times

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During the action Lt. Howard's tank was hit over thirty times but suffered nothing greater than a broken track.

You were saying?

Even if they probably should they are badly placed on El-Al an will be almost useless... :P
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #24 on: 19-01-2012, 21:01:15 »
88 L/56 should penetrate the Churchill Mk. IIIs hull from 1.400 metres with early APCBC ammunition.

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #25 on: 22-01-2012, 19:01:32 »
88 L/56 should penetrate the Churchill Mk. IIIs hull from 1.400 metres with early APCBC ammunition.

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/
Nice calculator! Imagine how many incorrect things we can prove with it! daaaaayyyyuumn!

To prove it you'll need a steel plate and an 88mm L56.

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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #26 on: 22-01-2012, 23:01:36 »
I know that´s no good source, but if you also look at Wikipedia and look for the Churchill Mk. IIIs frontal armour which is 102mm on the hull and 89mm on the turret front and then compare it to the 88mm/L56 penetration-values it doesnt sound unlikely to me. The penetration of the 88/L56 with regular ammunition alone was 91mm @1500metres. The Flak 18 with the Panzergranate 39 (common shell) had a penetration of 97mm @1500 metres. So a hit in the turret could possibly well take a churchill out. With special ammunition a penetration did have better chances.

It´s definatly better than saying "lol churchill didn´t get penetrated at all".

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_%28Panzer%29 (german words for it are Wannenbug and Turmfront)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_KwK_36 (in this case the slightly different 88 from the tiger)
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/88mm-flak-series-flugabwehrkanone.htm

Edit: This is no rant, but I just don´t believe that 88s were totally ineffective versus Churchills. I don´t doubt that they didn´t fight them properly on Kidney ridge but in theory they could have when aiming for the tower.
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #27 on: 10-03-2012, 13:03:19 »
Question concerning the Puma (and in order to bring this threat back to its actual topic :) ):

Will the Puma have Panzergranate 40 shells? I think it were great if it got them and probably it wouldnt be overpowerd since the Puma is very easy to knockout. Compared to Lüttich (also I'd like to see it having the special ammo there too) its not as easy to ambush on Bastogne. Ofcourse you have woods, but Allieds also have better tanks, far greater viewing distance than on Lüttich and the Puma is quite large vehicle. Therefore the Panzergranate 40 would compensate its lack of protection.
 
Btw yes I know the Puma is a Scout car and not a tank :P, but as the German Wikipedia states it has also been used in combat situations due to its quite could armament. So using at as an Antitank vehicle makes actually some sence.
(Here the origianl quote from the German Wikipedia: Diese für einen Spähpanzer relativ starke Bewaffnung verleitete die Besatzung mehr als einmal, in den Kampf einzugreifen, statt aufzuklären.)


An other point is the spawning location. I think it were cool if it spawns at on at the first two command posts (Maragret or Wardin). Espacially when pleaced at Margaret it could replace the Hetzer. I fair dealin my opinion, since the Hetzer is really rarely used (not in genral but this one) and the Axis wouldnt lose that much tank destroying capability, but get a vehicle which is faster, but less armored than the one they got before (= The Hetzer). And hopefully with Panzergranate 40 (note the Hetzer has it too).
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #28 on: 10-03-2012, 14:03:46 »
The Puma doesn´t have and I doubt it will have Pzgr40 again. Reason for that was that it was better than Shermans although being a scout car. I think you should have a certain ability in scout cars (Puma, Daimler, Greyhound). Something that would be special for scouting vehicles. I have no idea atm. but something could be done to encourage players to use them in their intended role. The deletion of Pzgr40 on the Puma was one step in the right direction.

I once heard that the Hetzer will lose it´s Pzgr40 in the next patch albeit being a tank destroyer. This I can´t understand, the thing is weak as hell and also needs to get rid of its ridicolous frontal armour that doesn´t deflect 75mm or 57mms.
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Re: More whitewash
« Reply #29 on: 10-03-2012, 14:03:52 »
Germans didn't use tungsten ammo anymore in late war.