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« Reply #2580 on: 15-01-2014, 14:01:20 »
This is most likely a M24 lotta rifle. And the finnish never manufactured any recievers for the mosin nagant. They did made barrels however and pretty much anything exept buttplates and recievers.


As for the MAS 36. Great sexy rifle. As for ammo, there are various ways to reload 7.5x54mm mas. you can use .308 bullets. And IIRC you can resize 6.5x55mm Swedish brass into proper brass.
The main issue with it being an M24  is that the markings don't match up. I don't have any of the markings consistent with those rifles on my receiver or barrel... http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM24.htm

Might be a captured rifle, from Soviets during Winter War, and just got fixed during 1941 in Finland (which would explain the Finnish parts).

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« Reply #2581 on: 15-01-2014, 16:01:31 »
This is most likely a M24 lotta rifle. And the finnish never manufactured any recievers for the mosin nagant. They did made barrels however and pretty much anything exept buttplates and recievers.


As for the MAS 36. Great sexy rifle. As for ammo, there are various ways to reload 7.5x54mm mas. you can use .308 bullets. And IIRC you can resize 6.5x55mm Swedish brass into proper brass.
The main issue with it being an M24  is that the markings don't match up. I don't have any of the markings consistent with those rifles on my receiver or barrel... http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM24.htm

Might be a captured rifle, from Soviets during Winter War, and just got fixed during 1941 in Finland (which would explain the Finnish parts).

There were shittons of captured M91s used by the Finns, and they were all generally restocked.  The above posted rifle is by all chances one of those.

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« Reply #2582 on: 18-01-2014, 20:01:01 »
This is most likely a M24 lotta rifle. And the finnish never manufactured any recievers for the mosin nagant. They did made barrels however and pretty much anything exept buttplates and recievers.


As for the MAS 36. Great sexy rifle. As for ammo, there are various ways to reload 7.5x54mm mas. you can use .308 bullets. And IIRC you can resize 6.5x55mm Swedish brass into proper brass.
The main issue with it being an M24  is that the markings don't match up. I don't have any of the markings consistent with those rifles on my receiver or barrel... http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM24.htm

Might be a captured rifle, from Soviets during Winter War, and just got fixed during 1941 in Finland (which would explain the Finnish parts).

There were shittons of captured M91s used by the Finns, and they were all generally restocked.  The above posted rifle is by all chances one of those.
Good point, I bet that's the case. Does that mean they completely remade the receiver and barrel in 1941 or only refurbished?

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« Reply #2583 on: 18-01-2014, 20:01:15 »
Only refurbished, receiver remained the same apart from occasional army stampings.  Thus why you can buy lots of Finnish M91 mosins as antiques in the US, not as firearms, as the receivers were made before 1898, and for the government, only the year the receiver was made matters.

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« Reply #2584 on: 21-01-2014, 02:01:01 »
Only refurbished, receiver remained the same apart from occasional army stampings.  Thus why you can buy lots of Finnish M91 mosins as antiques in the US, not as firearms, as the receivers were made before 1898, and for the government, only the year the receiver was made matters.
I guess one thing I don't understand is that, if my rifle were a Soviet capture, wouldn't it have the 91/30 changes made to it (shorter barrel, newer sights, sight hood, etc)? Or were the Russians still using tons of unmodified M91s during the Winter War?

And is there a way to tell if the receiver is that old? Obviously all I have to go on right now is the serial number and the date, which both indicate 1941. Are there any remaining markings on the receiver that would indicate its actual age? Sorry, I know these questions are pretty specific, but you guys know this shit better than me so consider it flattery ;)

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« Reply #2585 on: 21-01-2014, 19:01:37 »
guys whats the diffrence between the Kar98a, Kar98aZ and kar98b??
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« Reply #2586 on: 21-01-2014, 20:01:20 »
I don't know a damn thing about K98s, but I'd guess some small differences like where the sights are.

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« Reply #2587 on: 21-01-2014, 20:01:09 »
IIRC, dont take my word for this,
Kar98a, a stub nosed carbine with a flat bolt handle used turn of the century till about end of WW1, would evolve into the AZ variant.
Kar98AZ, looks more like the k98k to come had distinct staking hook, "normal" rifle lenght. 'normal' 8mm amunition. Also, the polish version of this rifle is the only true K98 rifle.
Kar98b, is a Gew98 with the K98k sights, the rifle used from the 1920's onwards in Germany before the k98k came.

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« Reply #2588 on: 22-01-2014, 16:01:41 »
What does that hook kind of thing do in the back of the FT17?


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« Reply #2589 on: 22-01-2014, 16:01:02 »
It was sort of a support. I think it was supposed to keep the tank from getting stuck in a trench.
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« Reply #2590 on: 22-01-2014, 17:01:12 »
IIRC it acts as a kind of counterweight to stabilize the tank, as the FT17 was kind of head heavy, due to the turret position very much in the front (and the "thick" front armor). Due to this, the Ft17 had a tendency to fall into trenches head first.

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« Reply #2591 on: 22-01-2014, 19:01:18 »
I see. But I remember seeing a FT17 with some kind of wheel or cable attached to its behind.

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« Reply #2592 on: 22-01-2014, 20:01:37 »
The wheel thing was to aid in steering.

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« Reply #2593 on: 23-01-2014, 21:01:27 »
Thank you all for the information, I had this question in my mind for quite a long time, never bothered to ask until now though.

EDIT: By the way, I mistook this thread as the Question Thread, sorry if I caused any confusions.

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« Reply #2594 on: 24-01-2014, 06:01:37 »
Couldnt resist. I just bought another Enfield NO4 MK1. But it needs some Restoration of the wood and get the rust out of the iron sights.






Planning to do it like they did the rifles back then. Raw linson oil, no staining. And the metal refinish it with the british steel paint.
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