Militaria

[siben]

Multi thousand? really? they are under a thousand here, all original, I am wondering why the US prices are higher then european on this. Really not normal.

[Korsakov829]

Because the USA is silly like that, whatever gun might cost the rest of the world 100 euros could cost up to 10000 there. As a general rule, divide by 100 to find a close estimate to its actual price.

[THeTA0123]

...what are you going to do?
converting?

As in? Being bubba?

Well, I cannot afford buying a multi-thousand dollar collectible that I could not even use. These things are so rare that touching them without cotton gloves would be a bad move already. The one I bought shows a lot of wear, and I doubt that anyone else would take as much care of her as I will. The shotgun cost me $350 and the heat shield and the required magazine plug about $130 including shipping. The gunsmith will charge $50 for shortening the barrel and a little more for installing the heat shield. See my friend, I hate Bubba modifications as well, but this is the only way for me to get a trench gun under reasonable conditions. Besides, I will make it a trench gun clone and not put an ACOG or some other tacti-cool BS on it  . The real Bubbas who sporterize SMLEs and Mosins ought to be castrated without notice. I agree.

@ Musti: I promise to do so! 

From what year is this Winchester M12?

[VonMudra]

Because the USA is silly like that, whatever gun might cost the rest of the world 100 euros could cost up to 10000 there. As a general rule, divide by 100 to find a close estimate to its actual price.

Um, yeah, no.

The reason certain firearms are more expensive than others in the US over Europe is simple supply and demand.  The US government is very bad about allowing weapons imports, and so whilst there may be more trench guns over in europe (from old stock piles, US government selling it off, etc), it is next to impossible to get them imported into the USA, as they are still classified as military firearms.  Most recently, the US government blocked South Korea from offloading a bunch of old M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from the Korean War.  Where the average gun owner saw the chance at a massive price drop and thus a chance to finally own a Garand or Carbine for under 1000, the US government saw evil military weapons.

[siben]

Maybe, but those shotguns are a pacific thing, no? How could more end up in europe, we don't really import that many weapons.

Interesting, a Garand or carbine can be bought for 650 euro here.

I am jealous of your bolt action and pistol prices though, most of the time they are like Half of here, or a quarter.

[Korsakov829]

Because the USA is silly like that, whatever gun might cost the rest of the world 100 euros could cost up to 10000 there. As a general rule, divide by 100 to find a close estimate to its actual price.

Um, yeah, no.

The reason certain firearms are more expensive than others in the US over Europe is simple supply and demand.  The US government is very bad about allowing weapons imports, and so whilst there may be more trench guns over in europe (from old stock piles, US government selling it off, etc), it is next to impossible to get them imported into the USA, as they are still classified as military firearms.  Most recently, the US government blocked South Korea from offloading a bunch of old M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from the Korean War.  Where the average gun owner saw the chance at a massive price drop and thus a chance to finally own a Garand or Carbine for under 1000, the US government saw evil military weapons.

Who said anything about importing, exporting, and manufacturing legally?

[VonMudra]

Enjoy the felony charges then.


@sibin:

They may have been sold off in the 1950s or so, I'm unknowledgeable of it.  All I know is they're rare, extremely sought after collectors items here now.

And that Garand/carbine price would be almost 900 bucks here, so it's not that much cheaper

[sn00x]

My R71 replica is getting real close to finished now! Installed a new Dnepr K750 6V engine with the classy manual timing, Bosch type generator and breaker ignition with a distributor! that only differs from the BMW with a different front lid for the ignition and an outside coil.
Some must think im crazy downgrading from 12V to 6V, but everything for autenticity!

Got a brand new R71 airfilter installed aswell, new throttlecables, timing cable, a russian M72 headlamp with the R71 styled ignitionlock and key.

Yes i know its a piece of wood, its only there untill i can weld a piece of sheet metal onto it.

For those who wonder "what does a motorbike replica do in the militaria thread?" This bike is originaly the bmw R71 made in china for the PLA, peoples liberation army. This bike is actually the First ones that rolled out in 1957. Wich makes it... militaria..






The grey cable is the manual timing if anyone wondered.


Old russian 15amp fuses.



Notice the Bosch logo on the red light glass thingy.

[Hjaldrgud]

That is too cool!

[THeTA0123]

Long live Bosch!

[Krätzer]

Bosch still rocks today in Germany.

[Hockeywarrior]

Hey all, it has been a while since I've posted in this thread. I recently acquired a couple of rifles that might interest you.

First up, my MAS-36 rifle:

http://imgur.com/a/qK2Q1#0
http://imgur.com/a/qK2Q1#1
http://imgur.com/a/qK2Q1#4
http://imgur.com/a/qK2Q1#6
http://imgur.com/a/qK2Q1#7
http://imgur.com/a/qK2Q1#11

I have only fired it a few times, since the 7.5x54 French ammo is fairly hard to find (and expensive). The rifle was made sometime between the end of WWII and 1949. Like most of these post-war rifles, the bore is excellent and the stock is in great shape.

Second up, and my most recent acquisition, a Finnish M91 Mosin (pre-91/30)

http://imgur.com/a/wAfGL#14
http://imgur.com/a/wAfGL#7
http://imgur.com/a/wAfGL#8
http://imgur.com/a/wAfGL#5
http://imgur.com/a/wAfGL#13
Size comparison with my Turkish M38 Mauser:
http://imgur.com/a/wAfGL#17

I cleaned up the stock after I bought it and applied a few extra layers of boiled linseed oil. The Finns didn't use hard shellac on their rifles like the Russians, but instead used an oil-based finish. The sling is an original Finnish caribou hide sling. Some research on the markings indicates that the rifle was made (or at least the barrel/receiver was made) in the Tika arsenal sometime in 1941. It is a full-length M91 and does not have the shortened barrel or any other changes from the M91/30.

[THeTA0123]

This is most likely a M24 lotta rifle. And the finnish never manufactured any recievers for the mosin nagant. They did made barrels however and pretty much anything exept buttplates and recievers.


As for the MAS 36. Great sexy rifle. As for ammo, there are various ways to reload 7.5x54mm mas. you can use .308 bullets. And IIRC you can resize 6.5x55mm Swedish brass into proper brass.

[siben]

Nice nice, a mossin nagant 1891 is also something i would like.

About the MAS 36, The year and month of manufacture is stamped in the cartouche on the stock, but looking at your serial number only i can say it must be made late 1946 or early 1947. Serial N 237xx is December 1946, N 554xx is september 1947.

[Hockeywarrior]

This is most likely a M24 lotta rifle. And the finnish never manufactured any recievers for the mosin nagant. They did made barrels however and pretty much anything exept buttplates and recievers.


As for the MAS 36. Great sexy rifle. As for ammo, there are various ways to reload 7.5x54mm mas. you can use .308 bullets. And IIRC you can resize 6.5x55mm Swedish brass into proper brass.

The main issue with it being an M24  is that the markings don't match up. I don't have any of the markings consistent with those rifles on my receiver or barrel... http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM24.htm