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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #90 on: 26-03-2010, 18:03:58 »
Although my reasoning is maybe a little black-and-white (and absolutely only meant for a little discussion - not to alter history), I'm still pretty sure Finnland was already at war with USSR when Germany started Barbarossa.

The part about no germans fighting in Finnland was meant to mean that Finnland wasn't really part of the Axis. I know about the german support in Finland but forgot to take into account that Germany saw the Continuation War as basically a part of their fight against Russia (I had only read about that war from Finnish/Russian perspective).
So I'll take back my statement, because technically it doesn't fit my parameters anymore. I see the eastern front from the agressors perspective (ie. german) and not just because of it's geographical location. And through this reasoning it is part the Ostfront.

But questions do remain:
"How could the Finns fight a war with no one in particular?"
- Ehm, they were fighting the Russians.
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #91 on: 26-03-2010, 19:03:57 »
You assume wrong. Finland was at war with USSR during November 1939 - March 1940. Finland returned to war in June 1941 right after Germany launched Barbarossa on all fronts against russia, including finnish fronts.

Continuation War started in 25th of June, Barbarossa only couple of days before in 22nd.

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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #92 on: 26-03-2010, 19:03:11 »
I´m curently reading a book about the Battle for Kiew.
http://www.amazon.de/Kiew-Die-gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fte-Kesselschlacht-Geschichte/dp/3895555266
The Italian Division "Torino" as well as romanian and hungarian forces fighting for Odessa in the south while the German Army Group South crossed the Dnjepr near Kiew to encircle 4 russian armys and capture 600.000 Russian soldiers.
The Book doesn´t get much into detail about the actual battles leading to the encirclement, but there must have been horrible fightings in the Swamps of Pripjet and for the small Islands in the Dnjepr near Kiew. From the first half of the book I could think of at least 10 smaller battles that would make a nice FH2 map.
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #93 on: 26-03-2010, 19:03:43 »
But questions do remain:
"How could the Finns fight a war with no one in particular?"
- Ehm, they were fighting the Russians.
I meant the Lapland War.  Since I assumed that you didn't think there were any Germans in Finland, it would have made the existence of that war very difficult ;)

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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #94 on: 26-03-2010, 20:03:10 »
With eastfront we mean USSR vs Nazi germany or Finland vs USSR
What about Italy, Hungary and Romania? (To mention a few)

If ostfront comes, I'll be on the verge of making Romania my next lafette.  ;D

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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #95 on: 26-03-2010, 20:03:10 »
With eastfront we mean USSR vs Nazi germany or Finland vs USSR
What about Italy, Hungary and Romania? (To mention a few)

If ostfront comes, I'll be on the verge of making Romania my next lafette.  ;D
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Romanian, Italian, Hungarian, Finnish...............Even a whole Belgian Regiment fought on the eastfront.

I mostly am looking forward towards how the devs are gonna handle the tank battle's.
And Cityfights, like stalinggrad or Kharkov
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #96 on: 26-03-2010, 21:03:03 »
Haha, well, Italian is already IN game, just would need different skins ;)

Also, Romanians were the next largest axis involvement on the ostfront other then Germany.

After that, I'd want Finns and Hungarians, and while I'd love to see one map each for the Croats and Slovaks, I doubt we'd get it.

As for the "whole Belgian" regiment, well, yes, but they wore German uniforms, and used german weapons.  Only difference would be the Belgian arm patch, and voices. ;)

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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #97 on: 26-03-2010, 21:03:41 »


As for the "whole Belgian" regiment, well, yes, but they wore German uniforms, and used german weapons.  Only difference would be the Belgian arm patch, and voices. ;)
Voices 


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When hit by friendly fire= GODMILJAAR HEDDE GE STRONT IN UW OGE? ONOEZELEER!
Incoming/trowing nade= Alle mannekes, da gaat ier knallen zelle!
retreating= Lama zitte manne, we bolle et ier af
No=Kust me kloeten jong!
Yes= Alle vooruit zelle!
Tank spotted= DEDJU daar zen ze wier me hun pantserkes zelle

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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #98 on: 26-03-2010, 22:03:19 »
For all you non dutch-language guys: TheTA just nailed it!  I'd almost learn how to mod myself just for the chance to hear those lines in-game. Pantserkes FTW!   :D


And Flippy: feel kind of a dumbass for never connecting the dots with the interwar period between Winter and Continuation Wars. I had it in my head as Finland being at war with Russia basically throughout WWII, got german help and eventually ending up with the borders it now has. Never really realised that Finland actually used Barbarossa to attack again. I usually read stuff about certain battles/operations and not go over the big picture everytime. This'll teach me to never only learn about individual segments of a certain theatre again. ;)
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #99 on: 26-03-2010, 22:03:01 »
"To attack again", it was the Soviets who attacked in '39 because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact :p
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #100 on: 27-03-2010, 00:03:01 »
Voices 


leave them to me

When hit by friendly fire= GODMILJAAR HEDDE GE STRONT IN UW OGE? ONOEZELEER!
Incoming/trowing nade= Alle mannekes, da gaat ier knallen zelle!
retreating= Lama zitte manne, we bolle et ier af
No=Kust me kloeten jong!
Yes= Alle vooruit zelle!
Tank spotted= DEDJU daar zen ze wier me hun pantserkes zelle



One playermodel definately should look like Lambik from Suske & Wiske. Bald, 6 hairs. Random godmiljaars.

Or just use Kabouter Wesley? He got some great lines  ;D
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #101 on: 27-03-2010, 03:03:04 »
I´m curently reading a book about the Battle for Kiew.
http://www.amazon.de/Kiew-Die-gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fte-Kesselschlacht-Geschichte/dp/3895555266
The Italian Division "Torino" as well as romanian and hungarian forces fighting for Odessa in the south while the German Army Group South crossed the Dnjepr near Kiew to encircle 4 russian armys and capture 600.000 Russian soldiers.
The Book doesn´t get much into detail about the actual battles leading to the encirclement, but there must have been horrible fightings in the Swamps of Pripjet and for the small Islands in the Dnjepr near Kiew. From the first half of the book I could think of at least 10 smaller battles that would make a nice FH2 map.

Odessa was Sieged, mainly, by the Romanians.

And yes, it was Up untill Sevastopol, where Stalian Ordered the Besieged Odessa Garrison to Load up on Ships and launch several attacks on Crimea, From Sea, wich Resulted in a Big Headache for the Germans.


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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #102 on: 27-03-2010, 03:03:30 »
-What do you want to see in an Eastren front?
As with a few others, I wouldn't mind seeing the 'generic' maps first. These would include battles such as Kursk, Stalingrad, Kharkov, maybe even a winter Moscow or even a Leningrad mission  ;)

I'd want to also see the 'generic' equipment, so pretty much the stuff you'd wanna see, like the T-34, KV-1, as well as small arms of the era.

-What are your hopes on one?
(That I could be released soon?) Seriously though, If I saw all of the above mentioned in the first release, I'd be fine. Maybe something to encourage more teamwork though, like commisars! ;D

-Do you wanna see an early or a late, or both released together?
For the first bit of the release, I think Dec. 1941 - mid 1943 would be good. Later there could be maps like Seelow and Berlin, or you could even go with the earlier stages of the war in June 1941.

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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #103 on: 27-03-2010, 11:03:41 »
Aaargh: attack = fight. Better now?  ;)
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Re: Discussion bout (future) Eastfront
« Reply #104 on: 27-03-2010, 11:03:55 »
Voices  


leave them to me

When hit by friendly fire= GODMILJAAR HEDDE GE STRONT IN UW OGE? ONOEZELEER!
Incoming/trowing nade= Alle mannekes, da gaat ier knallen zelle!
retreating= Lama zitte manne, we bolle et ier af
No=Kust me kloeten jong!
Yes= Alle vooruit zelle!
Tank spotted= DEDJU daar zen ze wier me hun pantserkes zelle



One playermodel definately should look like Lambik from Suske & Wiske. Bald, 6 hairs. Random godmiljaars.

Or just use Kabouter Wesley? He got some great lines  ;D
Kabouterwesley Plx!

GODMILJAAR!


And when hit something starting from this kabouterwesley cartoon, 0.08!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKG1jkmrZpE

But ye a Lambik looking character would be awesome hehe
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