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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: azreal on 20-05-2012, 18:05:34
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We are back after a 3-week dry spell of no updates. I apologize since the last two I simply forgot it was Sunday, but nonetheless you'll all enjoy this one.
Victory by Variety
Enjoy!
http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/
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Let the guessing begin, and I suck at guessing. Something that was used in many variants/ or was very versatile/ deployed for many purposes and lead to victory.... so nothing german.
I´ll throw this in: Some version of the M4A1 halftrack.
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More Shermans!
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More Shermans!
Ugh no. Stop with the tommy cookers. Get something new and refreshing in the mod. 8)
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I thought about tanks also... but what important version of that tin can are we still missing? The 105? Or will we get T-34s finally?
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Nice ! Sounds like some special type of vehicles to me for the Allies, not tanks necessarily. And no more Shermans please, it's hard enough for me to figure which one can penetrate what already :P
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My favourite Sherman, the IC Hybrid, is still missing from the mod. :(
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My favourite Sherman, the IC Hybrid, is still missing from the mod. :(
We have enough damn Shermans now! Something new is needed!
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Variety smells like reskinned NA stuff for allies. Something totally new we wont see Im afraid.
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There's never enough shermans! Especially at the lumber mill!
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There's never enough shermans! Especially at the lumber mill!
Meh. Shermans are just food for my Panther and Tiger.
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Moar Shermans! Because MOAR!
Seriously why not, I'd like the Easy 8 and the Kangaroo and the 105 and especially the Calliope.
Also DD variant, Sherman Crab etc.
Oh and the Priest is an iconic piece that is missing from original bf42. ;)
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Churchill Crocodile?
Sherman Crocodile?
Saltwater Crocodile?
Alligator?
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(http://img85.xooimage.com/files/b/b/6/des-variety-cover_thumb-34b772f.jpg) (http://contact.xooit.com/image/85/b/b/6/des-variety-cover_thumb-34b772f.jpg.htm)
Actually, it will be a great victory.
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Sherman Calliope! Because MOAR!
Eventually another Churchill... VII? Crocodile?
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I say t34/76 and or t34/85.
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Semovente 75/18 with effetto pronto!
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Variety... this must be something color full^^
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Probaly something german, cause we so need more german things
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More planes I guess.. :-\
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Well, I like it. Nice update !
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Great update, I smell Battle of Britain ;D
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Good! And no dumb shermans this time. I like it.
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HELL YEAH, Hurricane Mk 1! Spitfire Vb Trop! I've always loved british fighter aircraft.
Also there is a typo: Although the Spitfire had already proved successful in the RAF, the Sptifire was used
Hurricane mk.1.. Probably gonna be in Mount Olympus, Crete, Battle of France, even?
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HELL YEAH, Hurricane Mk 1! Spitfire Vb Trop! I've always loved british fighter aircraft.
Also there is a typo: Although the Spitfire had already proved successful in the RAF, the Sptifire was used
Hurricane mk.1.. Probably gonna be in Mount Olympus, Crete, Battle of France, even?
Although the Spitfire had already proved successful in the RAF, the Sptifire was used to equip the 4th, 31st, and 52nd fighter groups of the USAAF in the summer of 1942
Look at the markings and the colour - That's clue enough.
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Great update, I smell Battle of Britain ;D
Me too, with that lovely Hawker Hurricane Mk. I.
However, we'll still be needing He-111s, Dorniers, and Ju-88s.
Kidding, kidding, will be nice though.
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I dint knew the US had offensive grenades :o
Spitfire Trop, me gusta
Hurricane MKI! 8MG's!
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Yay, more planes! You guys make my inner pilot so happy!
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Do the grenades work like the italian ones?
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No, like the german stick nades.
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Does anyone have some good info regarding the US offensive grenades?
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Nice update guys! Appreciate the added bonus of four news items after the wait ;D
Can't wait to play with the U.S. concussion grenades! I'm assuming they'll be the U.S. "special" grenade available in pick up kits? Similar to the British impact grenade in the Tommy gun kits? It'll be cool to fly the Spit as American also!
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Can't wait to play with the U.S. concussion grenades! I'm assuming they'll be the U.S. "special" grenade available in pick up kits? Similar to the British impact grenade in the Tommy gun kits?
I would expect them to be much like the German egg grenade ingame: a weaker, lower range of throw and range of explosion kind of grenade to balance out CQ kits like SMGs, only useful as a room clearer and not that much in the open. So, I wouldn't call it "special" :D
But it's a good update nonetheless! It will be useful for the Devs to balance kits, and it adds to detail, which this mod has shown lots of love :D
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Does the hurricane with a new green skin mean a Battle of Britain map for 2.45? ;D
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Very likely, either the Battle of France or Britain, because it has before 1941 camo, and it is mk.I!!! No doubt about it.
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Great update as always. More planes are always welcome. Woohoo for the Spitfire Trop. A great addition to the desert theatre. And yes I too smell a Battle of Britain or maybe Dunkirk or it could be that the Crete Hurricane is replaced with this more historically accurate version. I've always adored the Hurricane mk1's color scheme. The Hawker hardy will be a great new addition to 2.45...great looking plane...and the Lewis machine gun ;D
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Spit in US markings
AWWWWWWWWW YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
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Great update as always. More planes are always welcome. Woohoo for the Spitfire Trop. A great addition to the desert theatre. And yes I too smell a Battle of Britain or maybe Dunkirk or it could be that the Crete Hurricane is replaced with this more historically accurate version. I've always adored the Hurricane mk1's color scheme. The Hawker hardy will be a great new addition to 2.45...great looking plane...and the Lewis machine gun ;D
Crete Hurricane? ???
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My bet is Raziel meant Hurricane on Olympus
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isnt there a wrecked hurricane at airfield on crete?
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isnt there a wrecked hurricane at airfield on crete?
yes 8 MK I's and several gloster gladiators defended crete during the actual airborne operation
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I particularly like the mgs. They skin of both the stock and the metal parts are really well done.
I definitely don't want to be on the receiving end of that thing.
Of course, save for the handling, I've always favored the Hurricane over the spitfire - Feel stronger. Will be happy to fly that thing and pwn some bandits.
The spitfire gives the Americans their 3rd distinct plane in game. Considering the fact that the Germans have 4 also, the Brits have 5, that brings the starved US faction up to speed, I think
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the hurricane was constructer more sturdier and also had a more solid weapons platform then the spitfire
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Yeah, more maneuverable (smaller turning radius), but a tad slower and its big thick wing, which gives it the ultimate stability (even when firing 12 Browning MGs on Mk.II), also becomes its main drawback.
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it was still effecient against fighters like the Me109 and italian fighters.
But Ju 88's could return to base with hundreds of .303 bullet holes in them....
The HE111, the Do17 and the Ju87 where somewhat vurnable eventually. But the Ju88...well it kept on going most of the time. Exept when engaged frontally(wich was one of the reasons why short sunderlands had effective defensive armament against ju 88's. The fronts where exposed and vurnable when they attacked sunderlands)
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All this makes me SOO miss Fh1's Battle of Britain. Seeing those lumbering bombers and the fighters darting in between them was so much fun.
But yer, those anachronistic mg42s were super overpowered and brought down alot of planes when fired from the JU88
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actually the MG15 was still the primary bomber defense weapon during the battle of britain
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But yer, those anachronistic mg42s were super overpowered and brought down alot of planes when fired from the JU88
Hence the use of the term
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I guess back in the days the devs just went along with what they had, and they needed something with a higher ROF than the MG34
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Actually, what Theta is refering to is the Ju88 patrol zerstorers that operated in the Bay of Biscay, fighting against Sunderlands and other british patrol planes.
Also, even the He111 and Do17 were very well protected against the Brit 303.... Remember, the spitfire was also armed with 8 303 during the BOB, but first started to get 20mm cannon towards the end. I remember an account from a British pilot, in his first usage of the 20mm, being utterly amazed at how deadly they were. two 20mm cannon was multiple times more powerful than even 12 303's. Hell, even the 50cal was nothing compared to the 20mm. The american pilots who got to use the quad 20mm armed Corsair fell in love with it. One actually broke into tears when his 20mm armed Corsair was considered too damaged from a botched landing on a carrier, and had to be pushed overboard. He knew he would probably never get another.
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Actually, what Theta is refering to is the Ju88 patrol zerstorers that operated in the Bay of Biscay, fighting against Sunderlands and other british patrol planes.
Also, even the He111 and Do17 were very well protected against the Brit 303.... Remember, the spitfire was also armed with 8 303 during the BOB, but first started to get 20mm cannon towards the end. I remember an account from a British pilot, in his first usage of the 20mm, being utterly amazed at how deadly they were. two 20mm cannon was multiple times more powerful than even 12 303's. Hell, even the 50cal was nothing compared to the 20mm. The american pilots who got to use the quad 20mm armed Corsair fell in love with it. One actually broke into tears when his 20mm armed Corsair was considered too damaged from a botched landing on a carrier, and had to be pushed overboard. He knew he would probably never get another.
during the BoB British pilots found that they were at a disadvantage, being armed with only .303s, in stark contrast of the BF-109's and 110's armed with 20 mm aswell. and indeed the 20 mm armed Corsair is indeed waaaaayy more powerful than the six .50's, with which you don't want to mess around with. Still one of my favourites of IL-2
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At the battle of britian it wassent a huge disadvantage, as the Me109 was still lighlty armoured. The real issue became shown when the brits had to fight the heavier armoured italian aircraft.
british vs german fighter aircraft was actually a well balanced scene in wich the skill of the pilot became very important. But the real disadvantge the germans had in BoB was the operational range of the Me 109.
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just 20 minutes over London or something like that, wasn't it?
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just 20 minutes over London or something like that, wasn't it?
yeah, most of the wooden fuel tanks where dropped off in france and where in very very chronic shortage.
The bombers had some form of protection in the Me110. But these to sufferd heavy casualties.
The luftwaffe enterd the battle with 237 me 110's..223 where shot down or lost
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just 20 minutes over London or something like that, wasn't it?
yeah, most of the wooden fuel tanks where dropped off in france and where in very very chronic shortage.
The bombers had some form of protection in the Me110. But these to sufferd heavy casualties.
The luftwaffe enterd the battle with 237 me 110's..223 where shot down or lost
But remember that losses were replaced. Not like they ended the battle with only 14 left. Also, they achieved a 1.7 kill to death ratio, equal to that of the spitfire, and greater than that of the Hurricane and 109. The main reason they were withdrawn from BOB wasn't that they couldn't survive (which was the reason for the Ju87's withdrawl), it was that the factories couldn't support replacing them, because they required so much more work and material than the 109 (you could have 2 109's for 1 110).
When the Bf110 was allowed to free hunt, it butchered the british fighter planes. It was when they were tied to the bombers, losing speed and height advantages, that they did not succeed. But that should have been expected, since they were never designed as escort fighters. They were essentially the air version of a breakthrough tank, meant to hit hard and fast, disrupt and destroy enemy fighter formations, then the 109's would finish the job.
The blatant failure of the Bf 110 in air to air fighting in the BoB is often repeated in literature. Christer Bergström in his book ”Luftstrid över kanalen”(1), 2006, has analyzed the victory and loss statistics in the BoB and presents a different picture to the usually repeated "Bf 110 fighter BoB disaster" scenario.
The confirmed aerial victories achieved by Bf 109 units amounted to 815 while the Bf 110 units gathered 407 confirmed victories.
A comparison between confirmed victories and operational losses due to air battles gives at hand that in the period 8 August to end of October 1940:
Bf 109 units scored 815 victories to 489 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1
Bf 110 units scored 407 victories to 185 losses – a ratio of 2,2:1
In October the Bf 110 units even had a ratio of 3:1 while the Bf 109 units dropped to 1,4:1.
Christer Bergström continues to discuss the matter as well as comparing Spifire and Hurricane relative performances and some of the RAF unit’s performance, RAF Bomber command losses, coastal command and the Fleet Air Arm..
When finally comparing the scores by Bf 109 and Bf 110 units as mentioned above with the estimated true losses by each side for the period July-October 1940 it turns out that in approximate figures the authentic victories versus actual air battle losses where:
Spitfire 550 victories to 329 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1
Hurricane 750 victories to 603 losses – a ratio of 1,2:1
Bf 109 780 victories to 534 losses – a ratio of 1,5:1
Bf 110 340 victories to 196 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1
Bergström continues by discussing the validity of the data including the difficulties in identifying if a Bf 109 or 110 shot down a RAF fighter, however, the outcome is that minimum 25-30% of all British aircraft losses inflicted by Luftwaffe fighters were scored by Bf 110s.
The “Total failure of the Bf 110 as a fighter aircraft in the BoB” is perhaps another BoB Myth worth reassessing?
The fact is that on several occasions the Bf 110 units performed better than the Bf 109 units on a particular day. When deployed tactically correct using the advantages the Bf 110 offered the Bf 110 was still a lethal weapon in air-to-air fighting which I believe Christer Bergström is able to show.
When used as a high altitude escort, not being tied to close escort to the bomber force, it made effective diving attacks on RAF fighters using surprise, high speed and it’s heavy nose armament to score victories.
Long range and an extra pair of eyes was also helpful in air battle, the range enabling to wait for the right moment to strike and the extra pair of eyes increasing the situational awareness of the pilot in an air battle.
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My bet is Raziel meant Hurricane on Olympus
Yep you're right!
My bad...I meant Mt Olympus...which is in Greece and not Crete! ;D
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Bf-110 had the advantage of having all weapons in the nose, its burst is much more accurate. Also, it has gunners at its back. Fighters that can shoot forward and backward is dangerous. As with many big heavy planes, they are slow to accelerate and controls are sluggish at low speed. Although having high top speed (for 1940-41), they are vulnerable at low speeds and its big size means it cannot maneuver very well in tight space between bombers and other planes during escort mission.
20 mm Hispano-Suiza equipped Spitfire Ib/IIb/Vb is deadly, but unlike that guy's signature from "Pearl Harbor" movie, it suffered from buffeting and will throw its aim outwards when shooting that cannon. But nevertheless, that 20 mm cannon is dangerous, both in real life and in game. In game (Il-2 at least), it will make a big effing hole in the wing, and throw tight-turning enemy plane into deadly hard-to-recover spin.
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just 20 minutes over London or something like that, wasn't it?
yeah, most of the wooden fuel tanks where dropped off in france and where in very very chronic shortage.
The bombers had some form of protection in the Me110. But these to sufferd heavy casualties.
The luftwaffe enterd the battle with 237 me 110's..223 where shot down or lost
But remember that losses were replaced. Not like they ended the battle with only 14 left. Also, they achieved a 1.7 kill to death ratio, equal to that of the spitfire, and greater than that of the Hurricane and 109. The main reason they were withdrawn from BOB wasn't that they couldn't survive (which was the reason for the Ju87's withdrawl), it was that the factories couldn't support replacing them, because they required so much more work and material than the 109 (you could have 2 109's for 1 110).
When the Bf110 was allowed to free hunt, it butchered the british fighter planes. It was when they were tied to the bombers, losing speed and height advantages, that they did not succeed. But that should have been expected, since they were never designed as escort fighters. They were essentially the air version of a breakthrough tank, meant to hit hard and fast, disrupt and destroy enemy fighter formations, then the 109's would finish the job.
I am aware of this, and thats why i said "when escorting bombers" ;D
The same thing applied to beaufighters and P38 lightnings. Escorting bombers? high casualties
Free hunt in searching and surprising enemy fighters/bombers? often huge succeses.
and while planes are replacable, experienced pilots are far more difficult
I think we can agree that goering completly frakked up the battle
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Splendid update as always. Many thanks Devs. 8)
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Keep them coming! 8)
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So who will pick up the baton? :D
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Lightning will bring you the news updates from now on. Most of them will contain nothing.
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Thorondor is now crushing dreams.
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I just opened the mod and it says 2.45 is coming soon. Is there an approximate release date?
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When it's done.
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i can leak something for you from my secret sources
between now and january 2016
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No update today? :(
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Update guy quit. If you say pretty please I might try to get a devblog done, but I can't promise anything.
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So no more updates ever again? :'(
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So no more updates ever again? :'(
Lightning will bring you the news updates from now on. Most of them will contain nothing.
I guess today's update is one of those... :-\
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that's cruel.
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Wow! Was not expecting that kind of update. Pacific already ?!?
Fantastic pictures.
Awesome work devs!
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Am I the only one who can't see the image?
So Lightning will present the future news posts?
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i believe he was trolling
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i believe he was trolling
Okay...
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Since you may have some models already announced in changelog which the public have not seen, you may show them, it will not be an hard work for you, and it'll be really pleasant for us !
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I believe the policy is to not show anything that isnt confirmed to be used on a map. If you remember from FH1 they had about 50 untextured models of wich many were never used and people would whine constantly why isnt this or that isn't done.
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as a suggestion for a quick update it wasn't such a bad idea.
good things will come eventually but you have to admit that the "2.45 is coming soon" has become a terrible tease for many people. Especially for the tons of people that don't visit these forums.
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"2.45 is coming soon" has become a terrible tease for many people.
Developers and beta testers included.
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"2.45 is coming soon" has become a terrible tease for many people.
Developers and beta testers included.
I was speaking for the mass public, not the insider's who get private forums and beta-testing to keep them patient. The people that really suffer are the vast majority of peeps who never visit Warumdarum and are therefore clueless about progress.
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Are the forums currently being advertised at all in-game? Or does it say "Coming soon" and then just fhmod.org?
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The in-game notice just says that 2.45 will be released soon.
Usually all BF-News sites that feature the updates add a link to these forums, as does every news on the front page, where you should be redirected to, once you press on the in-game notice.
Although it could still be a good idea to add a "Read more on our Forums!" to the message. :)
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What happens when you click the "coming soon" image?
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it closes the game and opens up Forgotten Hope 2 home page.
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I already have a really awesome "Download Now" Picture lined up, just waiting for the release :D
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*eye twitch* then r-rrrelease iiiiiiit!!!!
;D
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I already have a really awesome "Download Now" Picture lined up, just waiting for the release :D
Road to 2.45? ;D
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What happens when you click the "coming soon" image?
since it takes time to load the game, I would hazard the opinion that most people won't click on that image in order to cancel out the program that they just loaded up.
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I think you give most players too much credit. Many won't even know that the message leads you to the homepage.
Nevertheless, Ts could just slap a notice on it.