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What is FH2 2.26 version current state of balance?

It is well balanced
44 (20%)
Allied army is underpowerd
4 (1.8%)
German army is underpowerd
23 (10.5%)
Allied army is Overpowerd
21 (9.5%)
German army is overpowerd
6 (2.7%)
Not the Units, but the maps are imbalanced
33 (15%)
Balance problems on BOTH armies
21 (9.5%)
No opinion
12 (5.5%)
Historical accuracy>Balance
56 (25.5%)

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Offline THeTA0123

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #30 on: 06-07-2010, 23:07:28 »
The main balance problems with planes are thus:

-RCMGs do a disproportionatly high amount of damage which means that tanks and 109 dominate (simply reduce damage taken).

-50cal of US planes has a pityful rate of fire (easy solution - make a new projectile with the same damage as now only it fires 3 of these at once like a shotgun (4 for the fighter P47), all the guns are together so it is visually OK and some deviation makes strafing easier).

-Convergence is at the monumental 400m (reduce to 200m to allow wing guns to be more effective).

Other issues:

-M4A1(W)76 is strangely resistant compared to M4A1 despite having same hitpoints and same side armour.

-Tanks with loads of special AP.

-2pdr domination!

-Ineffective 5.0cm guns vs. Crusader III and Sherman II.
All of the above=Defiantly approved. These are what making the current balance issues.
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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #31 on: 06-07-2010, 23:07:56 »
Uh... didn't ALL P-47's have 8 machine guns? I've never heard of one with 6... but the P-51D did have 6 guns (B & C only 4).

Also, a realistic convergence of well under 200 meters (even just 100 meters would be more realistic than the current pre-war RAF config which was not maintained beyond first combat experiences, and the Germans already began with smaller convergence range) would make not only Allied fighters' guns, but German wing-mounted cannons on 109E and 190 more deadly.

Oh, and get rid of the wing cannons on 109F, they did not have any even as add-on packs (unlike 109G), only the Motorkanone.
On the P47 with 6 guns - according to Gunnie (who codes vehicles) the ground crews would remove the outermost guns to save weight if the plane was carrying rockets or bombs.

Convergence was 200m, then someone (Remdul?) suggested that it should be longer because the veiw distance is longer on plane maps.  It then got changed to 400m before the 200m setting could be tested.

There is a 109F without the gunpods in existance - however it has the unfortunate problem that it is called bf109f4_trop while the one on the maps now is called bf109f4.  Thus when Lobo went and added the plane to the maps - he just picked the first one in the list.
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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #32 on: 06-07-2010, 23:07:51 »
Just pretend you're Adolf Galland I guess, he was the only one to put 20mm wing cannon on his F4 :p

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #33 on: 06-07-2010, 23:07:15 »

-50cal of US planes has a pityful rate of fire (easy solution - make a new projectile with the same damage as now only it fires 3 of these at once like a shotgun (4 for the fighter P47), all the guns are together so it is visually OK and some deviation makes strafing easier).


ROF is not engine limitation you can make american planes fire MUCH higher ROF.

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #34 on: 06-07-2010, 23:07:22 »
ROF is not engine limitation you can make american planes fire MUCH higher ROF.
No, when you have 6 or 8 guns each with a ROF of ~900rpm and the engine has a max ROF of 1800rpm - you have a problem.

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #35 on: 07-07-2010, 00:07:33 »
Shermans need to have Hvapn taken away or have only 1 shell. shermans didnt get Hvap with the amount that is in the current game.. sherman crrews would have to bargin with TD crews to get them making them very rare.  towards the end of 44 i could see them getting them as the HVap was more common.

i have to agree that that the tiger and and the panther are not as scary as they were in Fh42, they are just too stoppable..

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #36 on: 07-07-2010, 01:07:48 »
I have no real opinion, I'm not savvy enough on the ww2 subject to know what should kill what and how.

The only time I experienced one side dominating the other is when in one team the players work together and in the other one they don't.





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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #37 on: 07-07-2010, 02:07:26 »
I must say the testers have done a amazing job - not forgetting the devs ofc!!

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #38 on: 07-07-2010, 04:07:18 »
Balance? Tiger and Sherman one shot each other. Yay, that's balance.

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #39 on: 07-07-2010, 04:07:10 »
1 degree angle roof shots are not readily repeatable and have allways and will allways exist.  Therefore they do not factor into this discussion.

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #40 on: 07-07-2010, 08:07:32 »
Whiny tards, be glad you have FH2.
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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #41 on: 07-07-2010, 09:07:57 »
Whiny tards, be glad you have FH2.
Many people forget this
I must say the testers have done a amazing job - not forgetting the devs ofc!!
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you guys did an amazing job. And 24 persons agree with this
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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #42 on: 07-07-2010, 09:07:21 »
So guys who have criticism and want to improve the mod are whiner assholes that play to mod because someone forces them to? Pretty short-sighted to me.

Shermans need to have Hvapn taken away or have only 1 shell. shermans didnt get Hvap with the amount that is in the current game.


Shermans should not have them at all, only M10 should have it in Normandy.

1 degree angle roof shots are not readily repeatable and have allways and will allways exist.  Therefore they do not factor into this discussion.

Can this be made to Churchill top armor as well? Top armor is as good as front on Churchill, so cant it be made even with other heavy tanks? Also 1 degree angle shot aren't that rare, against Panthers its normal.

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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #43 on: 07-07-2010, 10:07:02 »
I mean 88 AT gun AKA Tiger 1 gun. I am pretty sure Tiger gun is better against tanks than Flak 88, it has muzzle brake and all :).

And I am pretty sure I got oneshotted to front by Churchill in Totalize by Paythoss (Damn you :P).

Anyway Tiger frontal armor is 120 so its more than 110 (obviously) and IIRC FH  armor penetration characteristics was based on 1000 meters? Of course not in point blank range but overall. I say give Tiger bit more health so it can survive 2 shots if it cant right now, like Churchill has HUGE health you can penetrate it easily but it still won't die. I do like Churchill though my fav allied tank after crusader 3 so don't get me wrong that I would like to nerf it :P.


Your tracks was asking for sweet hit from APDS ... i just cant say "no" to them  ;D

Im voting for more historical  accuracy ... but i know that may kill a fun from game  :-\ 
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Re: The current state of balance (2.26)
« Reply #44 on: 07-07-2010, 10:07:13 »
Criticism is ok but some people are never statisfied and some complaints are just ridiculous, like that kingtiger guy.
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