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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #435 on: 25-07-2013, 22:07:31 »


Meanwhile, in the Japanese planes, I got shot down in a Ki-61b in historical by AI in a Fury because it caught fire while I was dogfighting with a Typhoon mk1a. Jap planes burn so easily (Historically semi-correct) and the 12.7mm Ho-103 MGs are so.. lame, like the american .50cals.

Actually the Ki-61 had self-sealing tanks. The grand majority of japanese planes were fire hazards, but late-war japanese planes like the Ki-61 had self-sealing tanks. Also the Ki61 was pretty well armoured for a japanese plane

But yeah, the heavy machineguns are a bit underpowered compared to autocannons.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #436 on: 25-07-2013, 23:07:42 »
The 6 .50 cals on the Kittyhawk @ rank 4 are quite nice. I had a 13 kill streak the other day with it. It´s quite nice. Where I see the problem though is that the poor Muricans have the same armament and exactly the same burst mass on their rank 13 Mustang. That´s horrible. Not only that but the Yanks lack any kind of good fighter beyond level 13. There are only bombers and the Sabre at the very end. So what is any American player going to do after level 13 or when he lost the Sabre?
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #437 on: 25-07-2013, 23:07:52 »
That gap will be filled in future patches with P-59 Airacomet and P-80 Shooting star, among other things.

Oh, and discounts galore: http://warthunder.com/en/news/216/current/
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #438 on: 25-07-2013, 23:07:37 »
I'm fucking pissed. Chased a Yak 3 with my friggin Corsair A-version ofer have the map for 15 minutes, hitting that **** over and over again, scoring 500 points only by hits on that single guy and he takes 1 laughable crit at the left wing. Any plane with cannons can shoot down another plane with like 2 of my twenty bursts I hit, but 50 cals are no cannons so they of course don't do damage at all. Fucking War Thunder team has serious brainlags. Not sure if it's that russian easymode plane or he 50cals are just ridicolous. Probably both.

It's all about luck I'd say... I stayed up in the air with the A 20 with black fuselage and left wing, leak, no rudder controls or elevator...for 15 minutes... while the 2 109s were trying to bring me down... They got pretty bored and were happy when they finally managed to get me (the plane was impossible to steer at that point :P)
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #439 on: 26-07-2013, 00:07:44 »
So what is any American player going to do after level 13 or when he lost the Sabre?

Nothing. According to McCloskey no need to get those anyway. Mustang is a joke and Lightning sucks too as it has a very exposed elevator. I'd guess that both planes are not worth their levels at all.

About the guns I just hate that you can crit an enemy with 1 shot from a random cannon but those 50cals don't do shit. I mean, it doesn't matter too much in arcade. People are so stupid there it does not matter too much how well armed your plane is (although cannons favour you a lot even there) But in HB it gets ridicolous.

And when the US airforce used the 50cals succesfully pretty much all war, why is it so bad in WT? So the Kitthawk and similar low tier US planes don't get OP?

They could at least offer a different shell rack for the higher leveled planes or just up the damage in general a bit. Or not making enemy fighters flying tanks. I observe a good bunch of hits that just get deflected from the fuselage, without being registered as hit ingame when I use the 50cal.

For other mgs that is alright and fine as they are usually lower calibre, but with the 50cals being the main weapon for US planes, they could do a bit more than what they do right now. It would certainly make the US tree less fucked up. Besides Corsair C version and the sabre there is not much worthy to go for on the US tree regarding fighters once you have advanced in level.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #440 on: 26-07-2013, 00:07:13 »
The .50CAL, went straight trough the front of an ME109 engine block, trough the armour plating and right into the cockpit. This was tested with standard AP-I ammo at 500 meters.

The general rule in WW2 was that the 20mm autocannon required fewer hits and had somewhat longer range. But it was signicantly more difficult to aim, had much less ammo and a wider spread because of recoil.

A burst from 6 .50CAL MG's simply raped any aircraft. Even in Korea the .50CAL kicked ass.



In warthunder....well...I had much much fun till Rank 4. Now i'm rank 5 and i can see why EVERYBODY grabs a Beaufighter or any Soviet aircraft with a 20mm cannon. Because it rapes..And i mean, rapes...A single 20mm shell is enough to tear of your wing. Thanks to those critical hits. A long burst from my A-20G havoc's 6x .50CAL's did not brought down an PE-3 bis

He turned back....And his single 20mm Shvak was enough to tear off my freaking tailsection in a matter of seconds in One burst...


I might have played this game for only 4 days now but i can quickly see where the problems of this game lie.
Admitted, this game has much less faults then WOT or MWO...
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #441 on: 26-07-2013, 01:07:32 »
Funny how 50 rip through anything tier 4 and lower. and yet higher than that is just bulletproof. The problem are retardevs. They make changes to the game all the time (and NOT good ones) Like one month everything is a one-shot kill, the other everything is a fucking flying tank. And the worst thing is the changes don't make sense AT ALL!
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #442 on: 26-07-2013, 01:07:31 »
So what is any American player going to do after level 13 or when he lost the Sabre?

Nothing. According to McCloskey no need to get those anyway. Mustang is a joke and Lightning sucks too as it has a very exposed elevator. I'd guess that both planes are not worth their levels at all.

About the guns I just hate that you can crit an enemy with 1 shot from a random cannon but those 50cals don't do shit. I mean, it doesn't matter too much in arcade. People are so stupid there it does not matter too much how well armed your plane is (although cannons favour you a lot even there) But in HB it gets ridicolous.

And when the US airforce used the 50cals succesfully pretty much all war, why is it so bad in WT? So the Kitthawk and similar low tier US planes don't get OP?

They could at least offer a different shell rack for the higher leveled planes or just up the damage in general a bit. Or not making enemy fighters flying tanks. I observe a good bunch of hits that just get deflected from the fuselage, without being registered as hit ingame when I use the 50cal.

For other mgs that is alright and fine as they are usually lower calibre, but with the 50cals being the main weapon for US planes, they could do a bit more than what they do right now. It would certainly make the US tree less fucked up. Besides Corsair C version and the sabre there is not much worthy to go for on the US tree regarding fighters once you have advanced in level.

allrgiht, im kinda intoxicated now , but the MUstang is actually kinda allright once youi gain some altitude, i mean earlier today i had agame on rughr and i just climbed like to the left of the arifield and climber to like 7k meters and then cleared my way down throuhg those 109s and FWs (i acually dont know how the game neded up because i got shot down by a Do217 as i got greedy but i know i shot down 3 fighters and the Do was the last one on their team so yewah..).. in high speed the p51 turns actually kindagood (just dont go over 800kph or you're risking losing your wings) and you definitely can turnfight a 109G6. if your set you convergence at 300 m or less and hit hard the enemy goes down quite fast, but you do have to get sort of acustomed to the plane. BUT the lightning DOES suck ass, it is so easy to shoot down even inan F4, the elevator is just a friggen joke and WILL get raped every time you shoot at it so P38s are a joke and personally i would just let it rot in the hangar, that piece of shit (hbut ihear the later variants were better so that might be simething to look forward to)

all in all if you want an easy mid-late tier US game, go for F4u-1c (it still isnˇ't easy to follow the enemy in a dive but genereally it has the firepower, climbs well (better than it should I hear) and is fast). i laugh at the lunatics flying A26s, B24s and such late US aircraft because they're just meat for anything the enemy might thorw at them at those tiers ;D

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #443 on: 26-07-2013, 09:07:35 »

A burst from 6 .50CAL MG's simply raped any aircraft. Even in Korea the .50CAL kicked ass.

It performed poorly in Korea hence it was upgraded to 20mm. Thanks to bad Korean pilot Americans did well. Russian migs though pwned shit out of 'Muricans.

One MG151 20mm has more firepower than 3 fifties. Because of the explosives in the shell. 12.7mm were inferior and a lot compared to cannons. HMGs weighted more because you needed more of them, range was inferior and you could only use them against fighter aircraft with success. If 'Murcians had had to fight bombers outdated fifties would have been phased out earlier.

US did not upgrade to cannons because 12.7mm was enough and they couldn't produce reliable Hispano cannons unlike British. 12.7 did their job well enough so no replacement was needed but it was no where near cannon performance. Why ever nation used cannons except US, and why US upgraded in the end?

P-51D 6 fifties should feel like peashooters compared to FW190 cannon armament.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #444 on: 26-07-2013, 10:07:12 »

A burst from 6 .50CAL MG's simply raped any aircraft. Even in Korea the .50CAL kicked ass.

It performed poorly in Korea hence it was upgraded to 20mm. Thanks to bad Korean pilot Americans did well. Russian migs though pwned shit out of 'Muricans.

One MG151 20mm has more firepower than 3 fifties. Because of the explosives in the shell. 12.7mm were inferior and a lot compared to cannons. HMGs weighted more because you needed more of them, range was inferior and you could only use them against fighter aircraft with success. If 'Murcians had had to fight bombers outdated fifties would have been phased out earlier.

US did not upgrade to cannons because 12.7mm was enough and they couldn't produce reliable Hispano cannons unlike British. 12.7 did their job well enough so no replacement was needed but it was no where near cannon performance. Why ever nation used cannons except US, and why US upgraded in the end?

P-51D 6 fifties should feel like peashooters compared to FW190 cannon armament.
.50CAL's kicked ass in korea because of the gun directory it had. Wich the north koreans did not have. the Mark 18 manual gun sight and the late war  A-1CM gunsight-AN/APG-30 was vastly better then the dual 23/single 37mm cannon.

Also 20mm cannons were deadlier, a burst of .50's had more chance of actually hitting an aircraft. Thats why german fighter aircraft kept 7.92 and later 13mm machineguns


But yeah, once the korean war was over, the .50CAL days were numbered. America was like=we dont need guns on our modern missile aircraft and then came the vietnam war...Where Subsonic Mig-17's brought down super expensive F-105's and F-4's.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #445 on: 26-07-2013, 11:07:09 »
US pilots themselves said the fifties were peashooters in Korea, so later in Korea Sabres got 20mm. Koreans were bad pilots, but when ever Soviets fought against US pilots they could easily take hits from Sabres. Few hits here and there did not matter while on the other hand when Soviet MiG hit Sabre it went down.

Sabre had good gunsight but that was also used for 20mm. The fifties themselves were bad. Peashooters not good enough and needed to be replaced. Though they were accurate, but that is because of the ranging gun sight. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKff4m4pxA8 good documentary where you can hear pilots' opinions.

Fifties were upgraded for a reason. They did their job, but were inferior, especially in Korea.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #446 on: 26-07-2013, 11:07:07 »
Still fine for WW2 and this is a WW2 game  ;D  oh wait

thats what they said about WOT aswel


Anyway, im closing in for the 37mm P39 and Ju 88 <3
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #447 on: 26-07-2013, 12:07:48 »
I was baffled about the Spitfire mkVb, because I have a scale model of it on my shelf and it doesn't have that weird.. thing under the nose, so I started searching the interwebs on what it was. Apparently the devs have put the tropical version of the mkV in the game, so it has that huge Vokes air filter under the nose.

So now I, and also everyone here (probably long before I did), knows.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #448 on: 26-07-2013, 13:07:26 »
How are the Me109 line of planes?
are they worth it?
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #449 on: 26-07-2013, 13:07:48 »
How are the Me109 line of planes?
are they worth it?

Yes. Totally. Except for G-6, that thing blows.