And I did not think this thread could get anymore retarded.....I was so wrong.
Excellent addition to the debate. Keep it up.
My vote would be that you Chadoi are the most distracting from a proper discussion of the matter at hand. I don't own any personal firearms currently but I fully support the legal possesion and ownership of any rifle or handgun because the people who hold permits are not the ones who commit the vast majority of crimes involving weapons.
It's a matter of juvenile scare-mongering to put the blame on one type of ammunition or a certain style of weapon. If we truly care about gun controls, the black market and criminal orgainzations need to be targeted, not your average Joe Blow who enjoys his hobby...
So because I have the audacity to question the necessity of your 'hobby' I am detracting from the debate? Besides, I have never stated 'hobbyists' shouldn't be able to own rifles etc. They should be kept in a gun club, not in their home.
What is incredibly juvenile is for you to lay all gun issues at the feet of criminal organisations and the black market. That is pure NRA style bullshit. Most of these spree shootings (which is what we are meant to be discussing, no?) are carried out with legally owned, rapid fire weapons with high capacity magazines. Most of these shooters aren't career criminals so have no problems getting access to these weapons.
The gun lobbyists, NRA and the media are the scaremongers. They have a vested interest in the mass ownership of weapons. They would rather a few dead kids than a loss in very lucrative profits.