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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5805 on: 07-01-2015, 22:01:48 »
2 of the 3 suspects are ex-syrian warriors
-i am fairly sure that if they took porn off the internet, there would only be one website left and it would be called bring back the porn "Perry cox, Scrubs.

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« Reply #5806 on: 07-01-2015, 22:01:08 »
Nothing certain about the killers yet, they haven't been caught.

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« Reply #5807 on: 07-01-2015, 23:01:15 »
Nothing certain about the killers yet, they haven't been caught.
There identifies have been confirmed
-i am fairly sure that if they took porn off the internet, there would only be one website left and it would be called bring back the porn "Perry cox, Scrubs.

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« Reply #5808 on: 07-01-2015, 23:01:27 »
Do you have a source? I only read that they have been "localized".

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« Reply #5809 on: 07-01-2015, 23:01:57 »
Its all over the news, go watch it yourself

DOnt bring me that "source" stuff
-i am fairly sure that if they took porn off the internet, there would only be one website left and it would be called bring back the porn "Perry cox, Scrubs.

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« Reply #5810 on: 08-01-2015, 00:01:24 »
Pffft, relax dude. My news only told me that they were "localized", that's why I ask. But if it's too difficult for you to support your post with a source, then just don't. I won't sleep one second less for it.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5811 on: 08-01-2015, 01:01:20 »
Good time as any to start removing kebab from EU.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5812 on: 08-01-2015, 03:01:23 »
Terrorists and rebel gunmen shoot people week after week and a big fuss is made of this one because it happened in France? I have no sympathy, concern, or interest when this kind of thing happens in the "first world", and as the saying goes, give and you shall receive.

http://youtu.be/QIC2lI2Exys
Who on the outside noticed? Just who? Apparently to those in the west Chechnya is a mythical place that is so far away, a place where people don't live, under circumstances that could only happen in the east, far far away, nothing more than a fairy tale. Not worth mainstream news?

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« Reply #5813 on: 08-01-2015, 09:01:45 »
Terrorists and rebel gunmen shoot people week after week and a big fuss is made of this one because it happened in France? I have no sympathy, concern, or interest when this kind of thing happens in the "first world", and as the saying goes, give and you shall receive.

http://youtu.be/QIC2lI2Exys
Who on the outside noticed? Just who? Apparently to those in the west Chechnya is a mythical place that is so far away, a place where people don't live, under circumstances that could only happen in the east, far far away, nothing more than a fairy tale. Not worth mainstream news?
Are you fucking serious?  Some deranged idiots massacre journalists for poking fun at their religion, and you have no sympathy?  Why insist on some sort of genocidal pissing contest between the east and west - just because you feel overlooked?
The most important thing here is not to lose our minds. I've seen the footage of the two gunmen executing the police officer and yes, one gets angry, yet you must think. What these scumbags want is global hate on Islam (because some people make the entire religion responsible, some of them are well-known politicians with great power and control over society/media), we wont give them what they want, at least, I don't plan on doing it.
It's ironic, because in attacking those who made fun of them, the attackers have made a mockery of their own religion.  But I hope that the religion as a whole is not blamed, because like you said, entire religions are vast and nuanced affairs so there's no reason to decry all Islam.  But France has survived much worse things than this.  Here's to better days ahead.
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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5814 on: 08-01-2015, 10:01:48 »
Terrorists and rebel gunmen shoot people week after week and a big fuss is made of this one because it happened in France? I have no sympathy, concern, or interest when this kind of thing happens in the "first world", and as the saying goes, give and you shall receive.

http://youtu.be/QIC2lI2Exys
Who on the outside noticed? Just who? Apparently to those in the west Chechnya is a mythical place that is so far away, a place where people don't live, under circumstances that could only happen in the east, far far away, nothing more than a fairy tale. Not worth mainstream news?

Western Europe is a peaceful place where we are not used to shootouts. This is an attack on free press, democracy and western culture. Of course I am concerned.

Meanwhile there is a obscure conflict in Chechnya, going on for decades, with intransparent goals on all sides, 2 dictators involved (Putin and Kadyrov), leaving nothing but ruins for many years now. This all is happening deeply inside the sphere of Russias influence, in the Commonwealth of Independent States. Obviously the West got no influence on that, while we are busy trying to limit the russian desire on territorial expansion in the Ukraine today. Your outscream for help is heard, but there is just little we can do about that.

During the years of war you participated in, witnessing death, murder, crime, rape and endless sorrow, your heart obviously hardened and locked up when it comes to human misery. Maybe you should attend your government for psychological help on your concern in order to become a productive and regarded subject in your society again instead of expressing your disrespect for the dead after a terrorist attack in the West. Did you ever hear me expressing my disrespect for the dead in Chechnya? I don't think so.

If your government does not answer your cries for psychological help, it might be that the reason for this is the fact, that you're living in a second world country, where the government is more busy in leading wars, supressing free press and cementing the power of the few politicians and oligarchs in charge.

At no time, we, the West, are in charge for the domestical mischief that happens in the states of the former Soviet Union. If you dislike it so much, you are free to leave the places, you don't find worth living anymore.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5815 on: 08-01-2015, 10:01:56 »
Not a good idea to piss off the man with the gun imo.

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« Reply #5816 on: 08-01-2015, 12:01:53 »
Was never my intention to piss anybody off. I consider this an observation of facts.

I usually imagine my own sounds with it, like `tjunk, tupdieyupdiedee` aaa enemy spotted, ratatatataboom

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« Reply #5817 on: 08-01-2015, 17:01:51 »
Never act all mighty and all-knowing with Multi-Kulti and then go on to offend them with predictable consequences. These fundamentalists are never part of your multi-kulti integration anyway, you simply left them out of the picture, and there are only a handful of cultures that can successfully integrate into yours. Either respect their view (which you say contradicts your ideals) or stop that multi-kulti nonsense.

Ever wonder why things escalate this far? Because somebody (ex-neocolonialist, e.g. USA) has chosen to abandon hope, and other country (one particular country) took over its helplessly lost population. This is strongly hinted in entry #1 of this Cracked article:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-bizarrely-specific-things-being-taken-over-by-one-country_p2/

I can confirm on Indonesia growing radicalism. Yes, people are steadily become more fundamentalist than ever. They tried to shock their way in back in 2001, by actively participating in regional conflicts (e.g. Maluku, East Timor, Aceh, etc). Although regulated and controlled by high-ranking military officials, they have grown out of control by 2003 and committed unspeakable atrocities (e.g. gutting out pregnant women and posting them on internet, yes ISIS is so old). So they were scaled back from semi paramilitary organisation into common fundamentalist gang that regularly raids indecent entertainment centers during fasting months. Their approach softens too, but you can see their efforts slowly ebbing into our daily life, like increasing censorship, historical revision (out traditional clothing got even more complicated to address their modesty standard), and a lot of things that weren't there before 2000s. Once they regard other Muslims from different school of thoughts as infidels, now they see their common faith as the groundwork to slowly steer them into their doctrines. And recently, they reached other ethnics too, I was about to be softly recruited into one of their "sharing sessions." Absurd, but they are getting more courageous.

Where else did this happen? Well, ever heard Pakistan? A country founded for religious reason, yet liberal enough that it elected western-educated party-going female Prime Minister back in 1980s? Ever heard how PIA (Pakistan Intl Airlines) were so globally exist back then? But why are they so secluded now? So fanatic? Because, back in 1990s, when problems in their neighbouring Afghanistan arise, due to escalating civil wars after the Soviet left, nobody helps them, and they turned into that same fookin country to chill Afghan warlords down. Which in turn, turned them from that 1970 religious hippy into what you see today.

What happens with China and India? Well, they deal with it the hardest way. But it is also because they were never part of US communism paranoia during cold war era. It seems to me, that slow, under-the-blanket radicalisation only happen in countries so lost after being abandoned by US and its allies. We were lost after 1997 crisis, and the Pakistan were lost after they can't beat Soviet-friendly India.

And no, it is not a good idea to keep flailing genitals and obscenities at them. It is not a progress, it is decadence. Like it or not, you gotta take the Saud King's approach on things with them: give and take. That's why they can enjoy Ferrari and Rolex while beheading witches. Now, what would you give for something that is absolutely not trade-able?

Another way is to take charge, take control of the school of thoughts, like Indonesia did. "Officially, we believe in this version of Islam, and yours is just yours!" This way, you'll offend only certain groups, since you take firm stance on one specific discipline. The majority will rally behind the stronger and the one with more popular support. This will isolate those fundamentalists and make them stick out like sore thumb.

Lastly, the cost of freedom is always high. Yes, indeed.

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Re: Revolting Uniting
« Reply #5818 on: 08-01-2015, 21:01:48 »
"That multi-kulti nonsense" that you deride is the result of several centuries of developed, liberal political thought.  It should not be abandoned so easily - that's what the shooters in Paris wanted.  They also hoped that the West will target Muslims, further isolating them.  That shouldn't happen either.  If, like you suggest, we abandon democratic values and isolate certain cultures, many Muslims might agree and drift further away, towards fundamentalism.  Why should they bother trying to explain their position if no one will listen?  Many Muslims, including those deep in its theological traditions, condemn ISIS and attacks like this one.  If Islam is to reform it will be from the inside.  No amount of drone bombing or denunciation will change it from the outside.   

Muslims in Indonesia are not Muslims in France, or Britain, or the United States.  There is a world of differences between each group.  So it can't be framed as an "West vs Muslim world" problem.  The problem is not a clash of differing civilizations, it is a group of fanatical criminals that can be defeated by law enforcement.  Censorship of freedom of the press is not an option - democratic society can survive violent thugs, but not censorship.


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« Reply #5819 on: 08-01-2015, 22:01:27 »
Good time as any to start removing kebab from EU.
I'd like to start with removing people shouting racist nonsense like this first.

@ Zoo: a large part of your post I can understand, but you off the board with this one
And no, it is not a good idea to keep flailing genitals and obscenities at them. It is not a progress, it is decadence.
because what you actuyally say is that we should start with breaking down freedom of speech. I'm 120% against that. Yes, you can say that you disagree with the cartoonists, yes, you may express your grief about certain jokes. But in WORDS always, never BULLETS.

I understand the anger of a lot of Arabian people after some 100 years of western influence which has brought them nothing but arbitrary borders, absolute monarchs like the Sauds, dictators like Saddam Hussain and Muammar Khadafi. On top of that there are the Gulf Wars and the recent drone attacks. They bomb innocent people on a regular basis. So yes, I understand the anger and I condemn the continuing (military) intervention in the Middle East. But I also condemn attacks like the one in Paris yesterday.

People resorting to violence (be it groups or governments) gave up on thinking too fast.